Most Prolific Serial Killer Sentenced to Death...

[SamuelKhan]

Police have released more than 100 photographs of unidentified women and girls amid fears they could be the victims of America's worst ever serial killer.

The pictures were taken by Rodney Alcala, who was sentenced to death by lethal injection for the savage murders of a 12-year-old girl and four women.

However, the 66-year-old has admitted killing another 30 women in the 1970s and police believe there could be many more victims.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...eath-murders-women-girl-12.html#ixzz0jsKEs1IQ

...and he's still alive?

 

[paracarl44]

AT LEAST THEY HAVE HIM OFF THE STREET FOR THE TIME BEING.

Unfortunately, it takes years of appeals to rid our society of scum like this.

 

[john getty]

If this was in Britian they would have changed his identity, put him up in a nice house somewhere and he'd be living off taxpayers money for the rest of his life just like Jon Venables.

 

[Redmage]

...and he's still alive?

Um, he was only finally convicted about 3 weeks ago. Earlier convictions were overturned due to procedural misconduct on the part of the prosecutors. While that's unfortunate, it stands to reason that if you want to sentence a man to death then you'd better be airtight in your prosecution.

Not only does it reasonably take longer than a month to execute a man, but the state of New York is still deciding whether they want him to stand trial for additional murders there. So it's not all that surprising that Alcala is still breathing. It would speak worse for our justice system if he were not.

If this was in Britian they would have changed his identity, put him up in a nice house somewhere and he'd be living off taxpayers money for the rest of his life just like Jon Venables.

Just a few notes to put this in context for our American readers.

Jon Venables was 11 years old (no, that's not a typo) when he was convicted in 1993 on a charge of murdering a 2 year old boy. He was sentenced to custody and was released in 2001, on lifelong parole. The British government decided that due to the sensational and highly public nature of his crime, Venables was a likely target of vigilante action if he lived under his real name. So he was given a new identity.

Currently Venables is back in prison for violation of his parole.

So the circumstances were a bit different from Alcala's.

 

[rhiannon]

Wow...some serial killers actually DO look like serial killers...that guy is creepy!

 

[john getty]

Just a few notes to put this in context for our American readers.

Jon Venables was 11 years old (no, that's not a typo) when he was convicted in 1993 on a charge of murdering a 2 year old boy. He was sentenced to custody and was released in 2001, on lifelong parole. The British government decided that due to the sensational and highly public nature of his crime, Venables was a likely target of vigilante action if he lived under his real name. So he was given a new identity.

Currently Venables is back in prison for violation of his parole.

So the circumstances were a bit different from Alcala's.

He didn't just murder him, he tortured him. And now he's an adult and has recently been discovered in nightclubs getting drunk, snorting cocaine and telling people who he is with an air of pride.
He's not only a burden on the taxpayer he's a walking, talking figure of evil.

 

[Redmage]

He didn't just murder him, he tortured him.

Yes. When he was 10 years old.

As I said, it's a bit different from Alcala's case. Even if the UK had a death penalty, it's unlikely that any jury would vote to execute an 11 year old, no matter the crime. I was pointing out that suggesting that a British jury would treat Alcala the same way they did Venables was perhaps leaving out a vital point or two.

And now he's an adult and has recently been discovered in nightclubs getting drunk, snorting cocaine and telling people who he is with an air of pride.
He's not only a burden on the taxpayer he's a walking, talking figure of evil.

Which is why he was put on lifelong parole, and why he's now back in prison.

As for revealing his identity, that's up to him. The state did what it could to minimize the chance of vigilante action against him, but if he wants to be stupid that's his business.

 

[john getty]

Yes. When he was 10 years old.

As I said, it's a bit different from Alcala's case. Even if the UK had a death penalty, it's unlikely that any jury would vote to execute an 11 year old, no matter the crime. I was pointing out that suggesting that a British jury would treat Alcala the same way they did Venables was perhaps leaving out a vital point or two.

Which is why he was put on lifelong parole, and why he's now back in prison.

As for revealing his identity, that's up to him. The state did what it could to minimize the chance of vigilante action against him, but if he wants to be stupid that's his business.

That's OUR business, he shows no remorse, I'm in favour of any vigilante action that would be taken against him. He's not 11 anymore. As far as I'm concerned he's no different from Ian Huntley who's also a burden on the taxpayer.

 

[Redmage]

*nodding* Yes, I was thinking you were in favor of vigilante action from the tone of your posts. But, the government of the UK is doing what it can to save its citizens from the opportunity to do something stupid that they'll have to go to prison for.

Venables is going to be "a burden on the taxpayer" no matter what. The UK has no capital punishment, so either you pay for him in prison or you pay for him outside prison. And even if they did have the death penalty as an option, no British jury is going to vote to execute a pre-teen. It just isn't going to happen. So I think frustration is inevitable for you here.

Regardless, the Venables case has few if any parallels to the Alcala case.

 

[john getty]

Once again, Venables is NOT a pre-teen, he's older than me.
No, we are proud to say that we don't have the death penalty, but a good kicking in a dark alley has long been British tradition and is better than he deserves.
Plus, why do we have to pay for him to live considering how many British citizens including WW2 veterans who are having money taken away from them to fund corrupt bankers who are now peniless along with the rest of us because of poor decisions that THEY made. Venables and Huntley are just an unnecassary added expense.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

Wow , things have really gone downhill for "Weird Al" , haven't they?

 

[MrMacphisto]

The UK has no capital punishment, so either you pay for him in prison or you pay for him outside prison. And even if they did have the death penalty as an option, no British jury is going to vote to execute a pre-teen. It just isn't going to happen. So I think frustration is inevitable for you here.

Well, accidents happen. Sometimes, people just slip and fall in the shower and die from a headwound that might resemble lethal force from a blunt object.

You know... things have a way of working themselves out sometimes.... especially in prison.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

Wow , things have really gone downhill for "Weird Al" , haven't they?

LMAO You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Mister Scruff]

If this was in Britian they would have changed his identity, put him up in a nice house somewhere and he'd be living off taxpayers money for the rest of his life just like Jon Venables.

Unfortunately, it takes years of appeals to rid our society of scum like this.

... and this is why neither of you are fit to be judges.

Um, he was only finally convicted about 3 weeks ago. Earlier convictions were overturned due to procedural misconduct on the part of the prosecutors. While that's unfortunate, it stands to reason that if you want to sentence a man to death then you'd better be airtight in your prosecution.

Not only does it reasonably take longer than a month to execute a man, but the state of New York is still deciding whether they want him to stand trial for additional murders there. So it's not all that surprising that Alcala is still breathing. It would speak worse for our justice system if he were not.

What he said.

Once again, Venables is NOT a pre-teen, he's older than me.

How old was he when he murdered James Bulger? You honestly think hanging is too good for a 10 year old boy?...

No, we are proud to say that we don't have the death penalty, but a good kicking in a dark alley has long been British tradition and is better than he deserves.

... no wonder. Obviously not a proponent of rehabilitation, I see. That's unfortunate, since rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the British penal code. If you don't like that you are free to move to a country where they take a more vindictive view of criminals. Sudan or Iran, for example.

 

[john getty]

... and this is why neither of you are fit to be judges.



What he said.



How old was he when he murdered James Bulger? You honestly think hanging is too good for a 10 year old boy?...



... no wonder. Obviously not a proponent of rehabilitation, I see. That's unfortunate, since rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the British penal code. If you don't like that you are free to move to a country where they take a more vindictive view of criminals. Sudan or Iran, for example.

I think as kids they were dealt with the only way they should be dealt with, but clearly the rehabilitation hasn't worked, if you read the papers or watch the news you'd know that Venables has recently been discovered to be downloading child porn.

 

[john getty]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...ison-over-child-porn-offense-115875-22090622/

 

[Mister Scruff]

I think as kids they were dealt with the only way they should be dealt with, but clearly the rehabilitation hasn't worked,

Fair enough the rehabilitation doesn't seem to have been enough to stop him downloading child porn pictures, but that's why we have the license system. So that people who are released from prison and are not rehabilitated (i.e, are not useful members of society) can be re-arrested and sent back to jail. It works.

As far as the shite about him going for weekend-long cocaine, ecstasy and booze benders in Liverpool, that's par for the course for most lads in their late teens to late twenties. Dunno why they're pointing to that as evidence of him being a bastard.

And what about Robert Thompson? What's the craic with him?

 

[john getty]

Fair enough the rehabilitation doesn't seem to have been enough to stop him downloading child porn pictures, but that's why we have the license system. So that people who are released from prison and are not rehabilitated (i.e, are not useful members of society) can be re-arrested and sent back to jail. It works.

As far as the shite about him going for weekend-long cocaine, ecstasy and booze benders in Liverpool, that's par for the course for most lads in their late teens to late twenties. Dunno why they're pointing to that as evidence of him being a bastard.

And what about Robert Thompson? What's the craic with him?

I just don't think Venables should be entitled to have had any kind of privileges like that at all. It reminds me of that rapist who was released and won the lottery, loworth Hoare.
As for Robert Thompson, I have no idea, I don't think anyone does. Venables has made much more noise in the news since they were arrested in '93.

 

[rhiannon]

Personally, I think that someone who tortures a two-year-old to death at the age of 10 can not be rehabilitated...there is something seriously wrong in his head!

 

[MrMacphisto]

... no wonder. Obviously not a proponent of rehabilitation, I see. That's unfortunate, since rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the British penal code. If you don't like that you are free to move to a country where they take a more vindictive view of criminals. Sudan or Iran, for example.

Good point, but I think it's naive to assume everyone can be rehabilitated.

If you kill someone in cold blood at age 11, you're probably beyond rehabilitation.

The only reason I personally am against capital punishment is because I don't trust the accuracy of our justice system to that degree. Morally, I think it's more than justified in many cases -- including this one.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Wow , things have really gone downhill for "Weird Al" , haven't they?

lol... I must say that was pretty funny lol... he does look like Weird Al lol

 

[Mister Scruff]

Good point, but I think it's naive to assume everyone can be rehabilitated.

That's true. I'm not going to regurgitate my point here because it's a few inches up the page if you want to read it; suffice to say my view is not that everyone can be rehabilitated, nor that rehabilitation should be the only aim of the penal system and punishment shouldn't come into it, but rather that effort must be made to at least try in each case before we start writing people off.

If you kill someone in cold blood at age 11, you're probably beyond rehabilitation.

This is a view shared by a large number of people (most of whom, I'm willing to bet, are not mental health professionals), and I'll ask you the same thing I ask everyone who expresses it; if this is the case, how do you explain Robert Thompson? He was the second boy involved in the James Bulger murder case. Wasn't coerced into it. Took part of his own volition. Now, almost 20 years later, John Veneables has gone back to prison for his fuckwittery, Robert Thompson hasn't.

Suggests to me that the extensive rehabilitative program he was subjected to in custody has paid off. Obviously that wouldn't have happened if he was a basket-case psycho, would it?

 

[MrMacphisto]

This is a view shared by a large number of people (most of whom, I'm willing to bet, are not mental health professionals), and I'll ask you the same thing I ask everyone who expresses it; if this is the case, how do you explain Robert Thompson? He was the second boy involved in the James Bulger murder case. Wasn't coerced into it. Took part of his own volition. Now, almost 20 years later, John Veneables has gone back to prison for his fuckwittery, Robert Thompson hasn't.

Suggests to me that the extensive rehabilitative program he was subjected to in custody has paid off. Obviously that wouldn't have happened if he was a basket-case psycho, would it?

Well, I would assume the blade cuts both ways. Not everyone is rehabilitable, but not everyone who commits murder at a young age is beyond rehabilitation, so I'll concede on that one.

 

[john getty]

This is a view shared by a large number of people (most of whom, I'm willing to bet, are not mental health professionals), and I'll ask you the same thing I ask everyone who expresses it; if this is the case, how do you explain Robert Thompson? He was the second boy involved in the James Bulger murder case. Wasn't coerced into it. Took part of his own volition. Now, almost 20 years later, John Veneables has gone back to prison for his fuckwittery, Robert Thompson hasn't.

Suggests to me that the extensive rehabilitative program he was subjected to in custody has paid off. Obviously that wouldn't have happened if he was a basket-case psycho, would it?

The point is, Robert Thompson, Jon Venables, Ian Huntley and loaworth Hoare are living examples that in England, if you never want to work, pay taxes again, have a nice home (which is rumored) have personal luxuries (Huntley has a fucking Xbox in his cell) and have all the food and cigarettes you'll ever need free of charge, just ruin someone else's life. Kill someone, rape someone, then you'll be legally living a life of luxury at the expense of the taxpayer. (I don't even have a fucking Xbox!)