MOTU's He-Man - F/M.

[Darth Vegeta]

I like the newest cartoon (though i only saw the first season over here) alot more than the old ones. Which well was a bit 'typical' of the age.

Skeletor in the new cartoon is great as are Triklops and Evi-lyn.

 

[Kalamos]

I like the newest cartoon (though i only saw the first season over here) alot more than the old ones. Which well was a bit 'typical' of the age.

Well, when I first got to watch it, it wasn't as "typical" yet.
While by no means groundbreaking, it was new to us, nonetheless.

And we were lacking good heroic fantasy stuff anyway, back in the '80s, so MOTU was actually fun for us, despite some silly toon clichès - such as He-Man's secret identity, and villains' inability to pose a serious threat.

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Dunno about the '90s though. Started getting into computer stuff. Wasn't into toons as much as I used to be.

🙂

 

[Darth Vegeta]

'us' 😛 hey i'm also a child of the eighties (;

But Transformers and Gi Joe was better than He-Man i think.
I dunno He-Man was at times a bit too much. Though i still enjoyed watching it.

Eighties had a lot of great cartoons. They had the concepts.
The 90's had the spirit.
If you'd have put the two together you'd get great cartoons.

 

[Kalamos]

'us' 😛 hey i'm also a child of the eighties (;

Well, unless your profile is lying, you are 22.
I am 31.

🙂

But Transformers and Gi Joe was better than He-Man i think.
I dunno He-Man was at times a bit too much. Though i still enjoyed watching it.

I liked Transformers too - but I always loved robots and stuff...
Couldn't stand GI Joe much. Grew up with jap toons, and those guys died for "real".
GI Joe grunts always managed to eject in the nick of time, and they used fake weapons.
And the chars looked more like wrestling actors, than actual soldiers.
Then again, can't say I liked war toons much.

Well, maybe sci-fi wars, such as Macross-Robotech.
But it's later stuff to me. I had developed a different taste I guess.

Eighties had a lot of great cartoons. They had the concepts.
The 90's had the spirit.
If you'd have put the two together you'd get great cartoons.

I am suffering from a mind blank, cause I can't quite recall '90s toons.
In the '90s I was into RPGs and 'puters. And girls. But don't ya tell that 'round, 'cause ppl over here think I'm some kind of asexual geek. 😉
And that suits me.

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Mmm... well, yes, I vaguely recall the Hokuto No Ken - North Star Kenshiro series.
Dunno if it was from the '90s, or earlier, but it was big deal over here.
Not really a big fan of it, though.

🙂

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Well, unless your profile is lying, you are 22.
I am 31.

🙂

Excactly i was a kid in the Eighties 😛


I liked Transformers too - but I always loved robots and stuff...
Couldn't stand GI Joe much. Grew up with jap toons, and those guys died for "real".
GI Joe grunts always managed to eject in the nick of time, and they used fake weapons.
And the chars looked more like wrestling actors, than actual soldiers.
Then again, can't say I liked war toons much.

Well, maybe sci-fi wars, such as Macross-Robotech.
But it's later stuff to me. I had developed a different taste I guess.


Yup Robotech (; Loved those.
Though i preferred TF's still.
Gi Joe i liked only secondplace and indeed the not dying was a bit bothersome but understandable i suppose. You could always read comics for that.




I am suffering from a mind blank, cause I can't quite recall '90s toons.
In the '90s I was into RPGs and 'puters. And girls. But don't ya tell that 'round, 'cause ppl over here think I'm some kind of asexual geek. 😉
And that suits me.

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Mmm... well, yes, I vaguely recall the Hokuto No Ken - North Star Kenshiro series.
Dunno if it was from the '90s, or earlier, but it was big deal over here.
Not really a big fan of it, though.

🙂

Lol 90's... hmmm Beast Wars for one. What else hmmm... . The X-Men cartoon that was great too.

 

[Kalamos]

Lol 90's... hmmm Beast Wars for one.
What else hmmm... . The X-Men cartoon that was great too.

Beast Wars... ah, yes, that Transformers spinoff.
It was fun, just had trouble understanding its continuity. Plus, there was that nonsense with being unable to keep robot form for long.

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Have sketchy memories of that X-Men toon, but overall it seemed poor to me.
It felt childish, compared to comics.
But, then again, I was turning 18 in the '90s, so some toons seemed too simplistic, especially in comparision with their book/comic counterparts.

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Trying hard, but most toons I had fond memories of, apparently pre-date '90s.

 

[Xanaka]

Galaxy Rangers , Saber Riders

Oh we in Germany loves the old cartoons😉

 

[Kalamos]

Mmm... Have sketchy memories of Galaxy Rangers.
It was a bunch of cyborgs with chromed limbs and stuff.

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Saber Riders... Not too sure. Does not ring a bell as a cartoon of old.
Ah, there. Had to wiki it up.
Yes, I do vaguely recall watching it.

It reads it got aired around 1987-88, and I was firmly planted before my telly, back then.

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My golden season for tv stuff was around '80-'85, though.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Beast Wars... ah, yes, that Transformers spinoff.
It was fun, just had trouble understanding its continuity. Plus, there was that nonsense with being unable to keep robot form for long.

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Have sketchy memories of that X-Men toon, but overall it seemed poor to me.
It felt childish, compared to comics.
But, then again, I was turning 18 in the '90s, so some toons seemed too simplistic, especially in comparision with their book/comic counterparts.

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Trying hard, but most toons I had fond memories of, apparently pre-date '90s.

Actually BW is one of the better TF series. Meant for a more mature audience.
It had good chardevelopment.

As for the cartoon of X-Men. It introduced me to X-Men. And it remains to me one of the better cartoons.
I follow the comics erratically now but nowadays X-Men is just one big soap opera.

 

[Kalamos]

Actually BW is one of the better TF series. Meant for a more mature audience.

I guess it lacked the right "mecha factor", for my tastes.
Too many animals. Too few robots.
That, and the idiotic broadcasting habits.
Couldn't keep up with erratic casting hours, and quickly lost interest.

As for the cartoon of X-Men. It introduced me to X-Men. And it remains to me one of the better cartoons.

First got exposed to X-Men as poseable toy figures. Then knew them in comic form. My fave one was, quite predictably, Wolverine.

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From another thread I realised I sort of liked the Carmen Sandiego series, but I probably had some crush on Carmen herself, than a real interest in the toon.

Note to self: she would be another fine candidate for a niche tk pic of mine.

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But I have different plans now.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

I guess it lacked the right "mecha factor", for my tastes.
Too many animals. Too few robots.
That, and the idiotic broadcasting habits.
Couldn't keep up with erratic casting hours, and quickly lost interest.

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I can understand that. It was special in style.
Don't take me wrong i love G1 extremely much and the same goes for a lot of the comics. But it was refreshing and unlike some of the spin-offs decently done.


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First got exposed to X-Men as poseable toy figures. Then knew them in comic form. My fave one was, quite predictably, Wolverine.

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Same here. Wolverine is by far my fav. I even have a subscription on his soloseries.


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From another thread I realised I sort of liked the Carmen Sandiego series, but I probably had some crush on Carmen herself, than a real interest in the toon.

Note to self: she would be another fine candidate for a niche tk pic of mine.

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I know 'off' the char but i don't think i actually saw the series.
What was also fun to watch was Knights of the Zodiac (saw it in French on TV as a small boy)
Nowadays we have the mangabooks.
It's not as good as DBZ but it's fun to read and i love the numerous Mythological references.


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But I have different plans now.


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Lol 🙂 looking forward to it.
Btw any chance of some historical art?
Or some art regarding the rpg?

 

[Kalamos]

Don't take me wrong i love G1 extremely much and the same goes for a lot of the comics. But it was refreshing and unlike some of the spin-offs decently done.

Haven't seen them. I'm a bit out of touch, with recent releases.
I just got to watch a few fansubs of "newish" series.

Same here. Wolverine is by far my fav. I even have a subscription on his soloseries.

I think Wolverine appeals to the darker nature of many readers: he's a bad guy, doing the right things, for his own personal reasons.
He's not the typical "goodie two-shoes".
He is... raw.

I know 'off' the char but i don't think i actually saw the series.

The Carmen Sandiego toon was a spin-off of several games and tv shows, featuring world travel and general culture.

The toon even had some multiple choice tests inside.

What was also fun to watch was Knights of the Zodiac (saw it in French on TV as a small boy)

Ah, yeah! They were big deal over here, before DB and DBZ got popular and widely broadcast...
My pals from high schools just loved them, and went on to buy action figures and assorted collectibles...

Now, if you thing that collecting toys as a 15-20 yo guy is dorky, well, you might be right, but don't tell them in their faces, cause they collected assorted ninja stuff too.

😀

Lol 🙂 looking forward to it.
Btw any chance of some historical art?
Or some art regarding the rpg?

Well, you might be some kind of psychic, you know? 🙂

I do have plans for a forthcoming tk product, for early 2007, and I got a green light about mentioning it on the forum.

It is going to feature fantasy, sci-fi and historical art of mine, rendered in different styles and techniques.

I even have a teaser pic, ready to be posted, and it is going to be... well, different from anything you've seen so far.
I am going out on a limb on this, but it is going to be more detailed, and it is featuring some of the finer drawing tricks I rarely put in a tk piece anyway.

And what is best is, I am going to produce a series of Aygomen-related pics, but I am going to tell you guys more, after I post this pic.
I would like a word of "blessing" from you, so I am going to discuss this over the RPG forum.

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Well, as I said, a lot of plans.
We'll see how they unfold.

🙂

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Yeah chars like Wolverine, Blade, Punisher,... are very popular as they're more 'real' while not being over the top real (in a boring way).
Most heroes in superherostories tend to become either boringly characterless or soapoperaish.
Explains while tragic chars like Spawn and co are so popular.


Yep Knights of the Zodiac is a bit the predcessor of DBZ.
Heavily popular in France (like DBZ).
A lot of people collect those actions figures of the Saints.
I still think DBZ is better but Saint Seiya is still one of the best and funnest reads. (SS cartoon i barely remember)
Vegeta 😛 remains my fav in DBZ by far. Heck he's my all time fav after Darth Vader (yet another example of the tragic hero 😛 )

 

[Kalamos]

Yeah chars like Wolverine, Blade, Punisher,...
Explains while tragic chars like Spawn and co are so popular.

Yeah, listened to some tv show last day, and it was all over X-Men and stuff, and explaining how ppl tend to sympathise with "down-to-earth" guys.

Sure, kids love Superman and all, but when they grow older, they are more likely to develop some affection to "dirtier" heroes.
Besides, when a guy can shift planets out, things tend to become shallow.

That's also why the new He-Man is more interesting.
He's got more depth. He wallows in self-doubt. He is sometimes brash. He has room for improvement, 'cause he's not perfect already.
He is a bit more like chars from animes and fan-fictions.

Yep Knights of the Zodiac is a bit the predcessor of DBZ.
Heavily popular in France (like DBZ).

Yeah, insanely popular over here - Italy - as well.
The theme song to the first season is still fondly remembered by fans.

Me, I love the French rendition of Goldorak's opening theme...
But I'm weird.

😀

Vegeta 😛 remains my fav in DBZ by far. Heck he's my all time fav after Darth Vader (yet another example of the tragic hero 😛 )

Again, the charm of "flawed" chars.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Yup. It's villains/anti-heroes etc that tend to make the story interesting.

And yup Italy is rather known for liking anime/mangas like France 🙂

 

[Kalamos]

Yup. It's villains/anti-heroes etc that tend to make the story interesting.

Sure, they have to strike a balance - or the heroes end up looking like wimps.
As a kid never liked how some good guys actually shirked away from combat: Amuro from MS Gundam, Hiroshi from Steel Robot Jeeg, Tetsuya from Great Mazinger, Daigo from Gordian, they all were too self absorbed to fight.
It was terrible.

Likewise, hated it when bad guys were moronic or comedic: you could not sympathise with them, because they were too pathetic - but you could not cherish the heroes' victories eithr, because they were hollow.

Heheheh... I guess I had too much time to spare, as a kid. 🙂

And yup Italy is rather known for liking anime/mangas like France 🙂

Eh, actually we had a lot of probs with animes because they got wrongly labelled as kid shows.

They bought them by the ton, kid and adult animes alike, then went on to censor out the "questionable" bits.

Some series got cut to ribbons, so they could pass them off as kid toons.
Rupan Sansei, City Hunter, Kimagure Orange Road, they ravished them.

 

[Kalamos]

And here we go, bumping my own threads again.
They complain about the lack of original F/M pics, and they let this slip under the shore-line.

Ah, fickle humanity.

😉

 

[Darth Vegeta]

lol well as for villains. One of my eternal fav's will be Beast Wars Megatron. (later on in the series especially)
He was competent, not insane and the only thing that stopped him usually was a Deus Ex Machina. But that's the only way or the baddies would win. (though i was rooting for the Preds).

Gundam Wing had a marvellous villain too. Treize Kushrenada though i'm not sure you can really call him a villain since at the end it was revealed his goal was not personal power.

But an intelligent, sane, decently motivated villain changes all.
In fact i find the villain 100x more important than the hero.
If the hero is vague and plain the series can still be saved by a good interesting villain (if he has enough screentime at least).
A lot less vice versa.

 

[Kalamos]

One of my eternal fav's will be Beast Wars Megatron. (later on in the series especially)
He was competent, not insane and the only thing that stopped him usually was a Deus Ex Machina.

One would wonder why they are "villains" to begin with.

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But an intelligent, sane, decently motivated villain changes all.
In fact i find the villain 100x more important than the hero.
If the hero is vague and plain the series can still be saved by a good interesting villain (if he has enough screentime at least).
A lot less vice versa.

Well, not every series or book is based on the usual good vs evil dichotomy.
Some rely on mind-less animals or generic environmental dangers, so the lead guys have to shine in themselves.

But with most series, interesting villains sometimes manage to steal the spot-light from actual heroes.
I am familiar with MS Gundam, and from what I've read, Char Aznable outshines Amuro by gigalumens - to the point, Char co-stars in MS Gundam Z, while Amuro takes a background role, and Kamiru Bidan becomes the new Amuro [with the typical load of flaws and problems...].

One would wonder why they bother coming up with heroes anyway.
It seems almost like they have to create flawed heroes, as a kind of compensation for being the ultimate winners anyway.

😀

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Yeah.
Well i voted for Darth Vader... since childhood.
Who cares about Luke anyway! Little whiner 😛

And indeed Char is a rather good example off this.
Ever since Transformers and Gi Joe the 'dual' system is really well established if you understand what i mean. switching between both sides equally.
where in the very old days the bad guy just 'popped' up, did his thing and left.

 

[Kalamos]

And indeed Char is a rather good example of this.
Ever since Transformers and Gi Joe the 'dual' system is really well established if you understand what i mean. switching between both sides equally.
where in the very old days the bad guy just 'popped' up, did his thing and left.

First anime I got exposed to was Grendizer, and the bad guys had some depth to them - although they never got to grips with Actarus/Daisuke face to face.
They stood in the background, while mindless robot monster, with the barest minimum of personality, did the real thing.
They were only good for an episode or so, and they never came back since they were expendable.

Same thing with most robot series; Mazinger, Jeeg, Getter Robot...
Foes usually were one-shot characters.
Sometimes bad guys would take an active role in the fight, but they usually managed to flee on some kind of flying escape pod.

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Among the older series, only Daitarn 3, I have memory of, did feature "intelligent" bad guys who took an active role in the fight and did *die* fighting.