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My Take on Spider-Man

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Sitting in an over-packed, sold-out theater this afternoon...kids yapping, people milling around to find seats, I remembered what we go to the movies for. To be entertained and forget about all the crap that permeats our lives from day to day. Spiderman succeeds on this level. The anticipation for this film was like that of only a few others, and with good reason. Spiderman is an icon to the down-trodden, the wanna-be hero and the Joe-Six-Pack in all of us.

For a superhero movie, a film based on a comic book, this two hour romp goes where others should have. Unlike the deep mythology of Superman, the film-noir style of Burton's Batman and the high-tech indie style of X-Men, Spiderman is presented like its origin...a comic book. The entire film is like watching a comic unfold on a thirty-foot screen. The pace is fast and uncluttered with a lot of background, which is good overall, but does give the film an excuse to smooth over some things that could have been explained a bit better.

Toby MacGuire is Peter Parker. No one else in Hollywood pulls off the "cool geek with a secret" better, and it reminded me of his previous roles in Wonder Boys and Cider House Rules. I hope that this franchise (and it will be a franchise, mark my words) doesn't follow the Batman mold and cast a new actor to fill the red and blue suit every time. I really believe that MacGuire is the only one who can bring the neccesary innocence, angst and off-beat humor to the role.

Kirten Dunst as Mary Jane did a much better job than I thought she would. However, she played the role with much more vulnerability and directionless confusion as the Mary Jane we've become familiar with in the comics. That Mary Jane wouldn't have taken half as much shit as this one did. I also thought that the fleshing out of her character as the child of an abusive father could have been played up more, if that's the direction Sam Raimi was going to take. That angle was dropped just when it might get interesting.

Willem Defoe was perfect as Norman Osbourne...but perhaps less suited to his alter-ego, the Green Goblin. My problem with the villian in this film was the green body-armor, which came across as a bit kitchy. Far better would have been to use prosthetics on the already goblinesque Defoe to transform him into the twisted nemesis, much like the superb transformation of Jack Nicholson into the Joker. Also, while the Goblin's glider was explained as a project that Osbourne's company was working on for the military, as was the strength-enhancing serum he was subjected to...the body-armor simply showed up. No explanation, no reason. The acting itself, however, was very good. My complaint about the villain was that, again like the Joker in Batman, the hero's most famous nemesis is killed off in the first film. Yes, the door is left open for Osbourne's son....but it's still the same all too early death as the Joker's.

The character of J. Jonah Jameson has thankfully little screen time. I don't know how much more I could take of his ranting like George Stienbrenner on Seinfeld. He was true to character, however, and did bring the colorful character to life.

Cliff Robertson actully gave some of the film's best acting, giving Peter his tag line ("With great power comes great responsibility"), and even though you know his fate, it would have been nice to see him have a little more interaction with Peter.

The action scenes were fantastic, and I was impressed to see Spidey faltering all over the place, trying to get used to his new abilities, during his first chase of a criminal.

What I did like about this fim was the accesability of the hero. He's not some alien Superbeing or a multi-billionaire playboy with a science lab and too much time on his hands...but a kid struggling like any of us. And what really makes Spiderman stand apart from the rest of the superhero films is that it takes place in a real location. While Metropolis and Gotham City have their heroes to defend them...Spidey belongs to New York. Especially at a time like this, it was a rush to see him swinging through the familiar streets and standing for something that we see every day. The final battle scene, which included New York citizens coming to Spiderman's rescue may have been a little hokey ("You mess with one of us, you mess with ALL of us"), it stired up a sense of pride that New York needs. Maybe another subliminal patritic boost? Perhaps, but in a film that tries to be nothing more than a live-action comic...that's a good thing.

My favorite scene was the wresling arena, where Peter takes on Bonesaw (played by a still-very-buff Randy Savage) for $3,000. In a cage, no less. The announcer inadvertantly gives him his nickname as the Amazing Spider Man, there's a huge build-up and you expect to see Spidey in all of his red and blue glory come charging down the aisle. Instead, we are treated to Peter's prototype costume, little more than a red ski-mask and sweater with a spider pained on it. Kind of a cute moment, and at least we get another glimpse into Parker's humanity.

So, all in all, this was a pretty damn good film. You can have your indestructible demi-gods, your high-tech detectives and your team of genetically altered misfits...

...I'll stick with the kid who has to foil a robbery and still finish his term paper by Monday.

He's more like me.

😎
 
For what it's worth, I read that the director, MaGuire, and Dunst are all going to return for the sequel.
 
I saw the movie too. In the very front row on the very far right. Heh, some view. I thought the same thing as Dave. . . where do all the cool costumes come from? How did Peter "create" his on his own? He went from sweatshirt to insanely cool Spiderman costume with no explanation.

Very very good movie though.

Heh. Kirsten Dunst. Heh. she is hot.
 
Spider-man

FYI - Toby signed a three film deal for $26 million. So there will be sequels. The studio made the smart move and set a dollar amount for all three movies. Unlike the studio that did Charlie's Angels which did NOT include a sequel clause and so the actresses can ask for whatever they can get away with.

In the movie they elude to one major spidey villain in the film. There was a mention of Peter Parker working for Dr. Connor. As you may know Dr. Connor eventually becomes Lizardman.

The original plan was to have Spider-man fight both Dr. Octopus and The Green Goblin, but thankfully Sam the man ultimately decided ONE villain was enough! Gee maybe the Batman films will get a clue that you can't have an origin of a new character AND introduce three villains and still have screen time for a good plot!

Hopefully in the next film they'll give Spider-man more of his trade mark one liners to snipe with.

Although the Green Goblin was good the only problem was that the only expressive feature is his eyes. You can't really see the mouth or facial expressions. When you have The Green Goblin and Spider-man talking to each other both have their faces covered and a lot of expression is lost. The Green Goblin should have been given the freedom for that in a better costume design.

The man who stole the show though is still J. Jonah Jameson. He stole every scene he was in and had one of the strongest characters out there (they were all good though). Look for his action figure with "fist pounding desk action!"

Things to look for in the movie...

1) Stan Lee during the main crowd scene when chaos breaks out at the multi-cultural event, he is in frame for about 10 seconds.

2) The Car Uncle Ben drives is one of Sam's trademark vehicles. Yes that is the car Ash drove in the Evil Dead series!

So look out Spidey fans, two more movies will probably be out over the next few years...

This is one of the best comic book adaptations I have seen. Even with liberties taken in the origin it was great.

BTW: the decision not to have Peter Parker make his own web shooters was based on the believability that a high school kid could develop a stronger adhesive than anything 3M could.

and next summer

The Hulk!
 
the decision not to have Peter Parker make his own web shooters was based on the believability that a high school kid could develop a stronger adhesive than anything 3M could.

But in the origin of Spiderman (DVD animated) Spidey explains that the spider sense he developed also gave him an inate knowledge of how to make webbing.....being the scientist that he is, web shooters would be easy.......

besides, we believe that a high scholl kid can be bitten by a spider one minute and be swinging through the big apple the next so why not
web shooters.......LOL

Ven
 
Good film. I really enjoyed it. It struck a chord of sorts with the romantic in me whilst hurling bad guys into brick walls. 😉

How much did I dig Spidey's shutting Jameson up with a well placed web? hehe...and there were the couple blips mumbled sentences by Sam Raimi. I love how he cameos!

Joby
 
Well after all this I will definatley be going to see this film when it comes out in England. I can still remember the films with Nicholas Hammond in them from yesteryear. I'd like to see how the Spiderman movie has evolved in the meantime. I'm looking forward to seeing The Hulk, but I've got a feling that's it's going to disappointment. After the series of the late 70's/early 80's with Bill Bixby it's going to be hard to create somethng that makes the Hulk so humane and believeable.

From what I've heard it's going to be closer to the comic version, rather than the old TV series. This means Bruce Banner instead of David, and all the old villain from the 1982 cartoon version as well as people like Betty and General Ross and that dickhead Major who's name eludes me. Ned something............

I have been something of a Hulk fan for a while and in fact.........(plug mode enabled) if anyone wants to see some particularly freaky photos go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hulkingout and in the photos section you'll find an album called "The Hulk From England." See what you think and then call the men with the large nets and the white coats to take me away..............😕 😕 😕
 
P.S...................

My Yahoo handle is thegreenguyuk by the way.......So if you see that name as the authour of the photos, that's me.
 
I was definitely in the mood for an enjoyable romp, and I thought Spiderman lived up to that. I thought it was surprisingly well cast, and Cliff Robertson, whom I have always really liked, reminded me in turn of Glenn Ford as Superman's earthbound pop (incredibly inspired casting). The early scenes and development worked for me, and, like Dave2112, I thought the wrestling scene was particularly good. One of main problems with adaptation was something I knew going in; the Green Goblin outfit left something to be desired. Willem Dafoe was great, but that 'helmut' just looked terrible. The body armor was nearly as bad. The film should have gone low tech with the Goblin and just used make-up. Like many films today, it was too obsessed for my taste with computer-generated effects. If an editor had done away with maybe 50% of the more suspect ones, I think they would have had something. That and the god-awful score 🙄 . Danny Elfman sounds like a hack Hollywood composer, now. All in all, this film would not compare favorably to Superman, but it was quite fun nonetheless. I'll give it 6 fire devils of a possible 10 1/2.
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BigJim said:
From what I've heard it's going to be closer to the comic version, rather than the old TV series. This means Bruce Banner instead of David, and all the old villain from the 1982 cartoon version as well as people like Betty and General Ross and that dickhead Major who's name eludes me. Ned something............
If memory serves, I believe his name was Major Glenn Talbot. Oddly enough, I remember this from the mid-sixties cartoon rather than the comic book itself. Talbot had a woody for Betty, but she was gaga for Bruce, so of course he hated Bruce which is why he was such a dickhead. But if you ask me, General "Thunderbolt" Ross was no prize either.
 
drew70 said:
If memory serves, I believe his name was Major Glenn Talbot. Oddly enough, I remember this from the mid-sixties cartoon rather than the comic book itself. Talbot had a woody for Betty, but she was gaga for Bruce, so of course he hated Bruce which is why he was such a dickhead. But if you ask me, General "Thunderbolt" Ross was no prize either.

Talbot was his surname alright, I remember that now. But I'm sure his first name was Ned because the soldiers under his command used to nick-name him "noodle-head Ned."

I never saw the 60's cartoon which I hear was just the cartoon strip with some narration over-read, but the animated series from 1982 I loved. It came to Britain in 1984, so I was 6 years old at the time. It was one of my favourites......

Oh happy, carefree days.🙂
 
Spider Man's opening weekend earned $114 million, absolutely annihilating the previous record holder, Harry Potter, which earned $36 million.:wow: :wow: :wow:
 
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...Hollywood's easiest-to-please demographic. 😀
 
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That usless exuse for a Peter Parker is going to get 12 million for the next Spider-Man flick, and if it does well they will make a 3rd. I for one was not impressed with the way the charactores where done in this movie. Unlike X-Men they missed the mark. Defoe is a great actor and did the best with what he was given, unfortunetly he wasn't given much. In the end the Goblin was turned into a sniffling skitso, and that does not keep with the book. After the accident that caused him to gain his inhansed abillities, Osborn/Green Goblin beleaved he was destined to become The Ceasor of New York's organized crime, or under world.

I was so bored with Toby by the time he got his good costume, I didn't even care about Peter Parker. In fact he was so uncarasmatic (even for a geek) that he made me think of Tyson after the 3rd round of a fight..."uh...what dod I do now...uh???" If the guy had been a fan of the comic maybe he would have nailed the roll better. The charactor of Peter was writen well, just not played well.

The fight with Flash, the confrontation on the bridge, and ol' flint head J Jonah Jameson are the things I liked best in this film. If you want to know what I'm talking about get The Death of Gwen Stacey or Spider-Man Vs the Green Goblin trade paper backs. I felt that it was a failed attempt at making a great film, and I will never goe to see a live action Comic Book Movie again.

Oh I almost forgot, it was cool to see Macho Man Randy Savage in Action as well as Bruce "Ashley" Camble as the ring anouncer. I was glad they let Macho get in some decent shots unlike the Crusher Hogan of the oragin in Amazing Fantasy #15. Well I know most will not agree with me on my over all opinion, but thats how I felt about the movie.
 
That was Bruce "Don't call me Ash" Campbell? I couldn't tell without the chainsaw arm and sawed-off shotgun. Now that's a cool movie.

Oh, and dude, lighten up! I mean, you can see Kirsten Dunst's nipples in the rain! (refer to previous post)😀
 
That was nice...

Well it was nice to see Duns' nip-on's in the rain, but I stand by my opinion. No more comic flicks for me. Like I said tho it's my opinion, as a die-hard fan I felt the film lacked from a charactor stand point.Perhaps they should have written it as a longer story and split the Goblin Saga into a two parter. Spider-Man, and Spider-Man2: Return of the Goblin, or something like that. This would have left more room for developing charactore witch is important in a comic based film.
 
Personally, I loved this movie. Yes, I would have preferred the Goblin's original suit, but since this was a military project you have to wonder. Would anyone be idiotic enough to send a soldier out on the field wearing a rubber suit and purple tunic? But yes, in the end, I wish they were true to the goblin. Defoe? He was perfect for the part, as was Toby. I thought Kristen Dunst was very good, perhaps not perfect for Mary Jane, but keep in mind they combined the characters of Mary Jane and Liz Allen who later becomes Liz Osborn. That in mind, yes I think she was perfect. Before you say anything Scooby, yes, I did think she was very attractive and she resurrected a crush I have on a red head I know. The crush never went away, but the movie increased it ten fold, maybe I'll give her a call.

If you're not familiar with the comics, please don't read the rest of my post. If they do use some of this, I'd just feel awful to ruin anything for anyone.

I did notice they mentioned Dr. Connor, and they also mentioned Eddie Brock. My hopes of sequels? I hope in the next movie he will fight the Lizard, and obtain the symbiote suit. There lies two conflicts, one fighting the Lizard, a terrible foe. Second, trying to stay cope with the suit that tends towards madness. If he doesn't learn it's Connor until the end, I'd be cool with that. They did it well with the Goblin. They could even do the cheesy 1st. Fights the Lizard with his original suit and loses 2nd. Fights the Lizard whilst wearing the symbiote and wins, however the Lizard escapes 3rd. Escapes from the suit and has a final showdown with the Lizard and triumphs! Even without the aid of the symbiote. Somewhere in the movie do the exposing of Eddie Brock as a hack. Then in the third movie, Spidey can take on Venom, oh Venom was cool alright, however I prefer Spiderman because of his morals. Also, Mary Jane could learn of Peter's secret. But I hope, no I pray to any deity that may exist, they do not stop there. Keep Toby as Parker, Kristen as MJ, but make more movies. There's no shortage of Spidey villains. Heck, he once went up against a villain named "The Tickler" I wouldn't mind if he made an appearance in a scene with MJ next movie, or the next few movies. The Maximum Carnage story line would make a great trilogy, however, in this movie it made no mention of any other heroes out there. I don't think they could bring in Cloak, Dagger, Black Cat, Captain America, Morbious, Deathlok, Firestar, and Iron Fist. I don't know, I'd like to know you're take on this Dave, do you think they could bring in other heroes? Star Wars and comics? You seem like a cool guy.

By the way, everyone, I didn't see Stan Lee in the movie, please don't hate me. I did spot the car though. Klatu, Barrada, Nik*cough* I always thought, but couldn't be sure that they were making a referrence to the Star Wars characters. Anyone?
 
Hmmm....Spidey and the Jedi? What an interesting concept! I would like to see this series delve into the Venom/Carnage story, but that remains to be seen. I think the makings of a serious franchise are there, so time will tell.
 
Gwen Stacy not Liz Allan.

Just so ya know dave, I read the Novelization of this movie, and Liz Allan was the geeky chik who wouldn't let Pete sit next to her. If anything it would be Mary Jane and Gwen. As for your idea for Spidey 2, it works for me, but I think they are going to have Harry return as the Hobgobling. The Hobgoblin could cause somthing to happen that brings the sybiot to earth, and then Pete gets it. When brock tries to prove Harry is the Hobgoblin Peter could do something to dicredit him, thus causing the hatred between them.

In the third movie the could have the cast of the future Fantasti 4 movie make a cameo, and have Reed Richards remocve the costum. However it would escape, and fined a down and out Eddie brock living on the streets. Merging with him they form venom and go after Spider-Man. The thing with Spider-Man is that he has a rogues gallery that is even better then the Bat-Man. If they did a good (better) job on the comming movies they could do 10 of them and not run out of good material.
 
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Now you have me all confused. Gwen Stacy does ring a major bell, but are you making reference to the comics or the cartoon? I was fairly sure that Liz Allen, in the comics, was the one dating Flash Thompson. In the movie she may have been the geeky chick, but that may be because they combined two characters to make Mary Jane. One part Mary Jane, one part Liz Allen. Did the Green Goblin kill Gwen Stacy? If so, then yes, Peter loved her, but Liz Allen was the girl Peter had a crush on in high school and it was Liz dating Flash. My memory is scrambled a bit, considering I have slept tonig...er last night. It's 2:13pm now. But I like to think my comic book nerdery is still sharp. Also, I would like to see a cameo of the Fantastic 4, but they are older than Spiderman. Considering they made it look as if they dropped Spiderman into our universe instead of Marvel universe where there's a 1/4 chance that someone is a super hero/villain, would people find it acceptable? They didn't say he was the only hero, but it did look that way to me.
 
Comics/Cartoon/Movie

Ok here goes.

Comics:
Liz Allan and Gwen Stacy both dated Flash Thomson, however Liz was in Highschool, and would later go on to Marry Harry Osborn. She is also the half sister of Spidey's foe The Molten Man. Gwen has been reffered to as Peter Parkers "First true love". She blamed Spider-man for the death of her father, witch happened when he was fighting Dr Octopus. Captain Stacy was killed saving a child from debris knocked over durring the fight. Gwen later died when the Goblin threw her off a bridge. Spidey cought her with his web line but it been declared that her neck snaped from the sudden stop. This chainged comic forever, because you couldn't be shore the hero would always win (or atleast save the girl).

Cartoon:
If you mean the old show, that was mad in Canada, and featured voice actors from up here (hay it was cheaper to hire them). There was a liz Allan, and a MJ Watson, but no Gwen. In this show Captain Stacy was mad out to be Mary Jane's Uncle. At least they were consistant with it. If you mean the most recent Post Venom) Spider-Man, ther was a brief apearenc of a Gwen Stacy, but it was in an ulternet reality, where Uncle Ben was still alive and Peter was a popular millionair. See Spider-Man: Secret War, you might fined it on video some place.

Movie: They don't give her a name in the film, but acording to the Nivelization the geeky girl who wouldn't sit with Peter was Liz Allan. Mary Jane is dating Flash Thomson, and there is no Gwen Stacy. Personally I think the fil would have been better with Gwen because the Goblin would have killed her. Everyone knowes that death of the heroes girl always makes for great drama.

I hope this helps you and/or anyone elts. Read The Death of Gwen Stacy, or Spider-Man vs the Green Goblin if you'd like more info about Gwen.
 
I thought Spiderman was simply incredible!! I loved it from start to finish. I loved it so much that I watched again today. I thought it was so funny that Bruce Campbell was the ring announer. It stayed true to the hystory of Spiderman even if the webbibg was a natural product of the bite.

Did anyone see Stan "The Man" Lee in the movie? I did. He was in it for about two seconds. If you blinked at the wrong time, you missed him.
 
A few things...

1) The Goblin armor was explained by Sam Raimi as being protection for Osborn if he were to fall off the glider. The horror-style mask is used to freak out the enemy to gain an advantage in battle.

2) It's simply Lizard, not "Lizardman". 😉

3) Slaver, I know you didn't mean anything, but the term "sniveling skitzo" (actually shizo) offends the heck outta me. I had a girlfriend who suffered from schizophrenia. It's not a pleasant illness for one to have, and that's an understatement. Please try to be a tad more sympathetic, K? 🙂
 
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