N/C Tickle torture from a victim's perspective

[simulated]

I wouldn't worry about it. I took a poke around the forum, it really is quite amusing if you need to kill some time.

It's a known fact that males are less evolved than females. I say we dump 'em. Save a few for the zoos, some of them are cute, but heck-we have the technology, let's rebuild em! Men are only excited by visual stimulation. We left them in the caves. Women, on the other hand can be stimulated by all their senses. Bif

 

[aun_existe_amor]

I wouldn't be happy about ANYONE tickling my daughter. I certainly think it's wrong for anyone like us to be tickling children at all. I have had discussions about this in the chatroom so I realise that very few people agree with me and most will disagree. In my mind I don't think adults should be doing anything sexual to a child and most of us are sexually aroused by tickling. Maybe the women on that forum who were tickle tortured as children were tickled by people like us, who knows. The experiences we all have as children make us the people we are today. I see an all womens forum as a good thing. There are some things that women need to talk about with other women that they wouldn't be comfotable discussing with men. I'm not putting anyone down or meaning to sound nasty to anyone but I've seen a couple of threads started here that if it was me I wouldn't want to discuss "womens problems" with men. Everyone is different. We all have different ways of coping with things in our lives. We cope with our fetish by coming together to talk on this forum, if we didn't, how would we know about others like us. I think thats what the womens forum is all about.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

I find your post very arrogant and uncalled for. We are all entitled to our opinions. That is mine and I stand by it! I do not want or need anyone to feel sorry for me thank you. I am sure your mother was a wonderful, kind, loving parent, I'm not disputing that. There is a difference, whether you like it or not, between an adult who does not have a tickling fetish tickling a child and an adult who does have a tickling fetish tickling a child, in MY opinion. I never once in my last post tried to tell anyone what to do, I merely gave my opinion and my view. I suggest to you "friend" that you read posts properly and understand them before replying and THEN "we'll get along fine". 🙂

 

[BellaRisa]

You just lost me.

I wouldn't be happy about ANYONE tickling my daughter. I certainly think it's wrong for anyone like us to be tickling children at all. I have had discussions about this in the chatroom so I realise that very few people agree with me and most will disagree. In my mind I don't think adults should be doing anything sexual to a child and most of us are sexually aroused by tickling..

Um, are you saying that you never kiss your daughter? I ask because kissing is highly arousing and sexual, and there's only one way to do things, so I'm assuming no one is ever allowed to kiss her.

Bella

 

[wendynpeter]

Just a couple of comments -

This isn't about a bunch of bible-thumpers engaged in man-bashing. The largest BDSM organization in the world has special groups for women only, men only, tops only, bottoms only, etc. It's *perfectly* legitimate to have special places reserved for *like* people to discuss issues.

I made this comment earlier and I hold to it - There are a whole contingent of men who go to different vanilla sites - women's sites, teen sites (unfortunately), and try to get a thread started about tickling. This is obviously one of those incidents. The furor it raised is NOT uncommon at all. Go to Bondage.com and see how many supposed "submissives" and "slaves" (people who say they get off on the loss of control) react to the thought of tickling. VERY negatively. At the heart of the tickling fetish (IMNASH) opinion is the issue of control. Women who love to be tickled love it for all the obviouos tactile reasons, but also because it's a TPE (total power exchange) that's very intimate and usually requires a great deal of partner trust. But the fact is that MOST women - 99% certainly, if not more - will tell you that tickle *torture* (that is, tickling that makes them lose control and therefore makes them feel humiliated) is off limits and will be considered abuse.

I would think that anyone here would know all of this all too well. To get all fired up about the fact that perfectly vanilla women have a deep problem with being tickle tortured strikes me as VERY naive...

 

[WorkInProgress]

This post is not directed at anybody in particular; it's just a generic thought.

Whatever your opinion is, you can always learn something new from hearing someone else's. That is especially true in a fetish forum, where the whole point is that different people experience it differently. If that weren't so, what would be the use of having a forum?

 

[aun_existe_amor]

Um, are you saying that you never kiss your daughter? I ask because kissing is highly arousing and sexual, and there's only one way to do things, so I'm assuming no one is ever allowed to kiss her.

Bella

There's only one way to do things??? Of course I kiss and cuddle my daughter. I am a very loving and good parent and I want whatever I feel is best for her. I kiss my daughter in a way that is not sexual at all, completely different to the way I kiss my fiance. I do not have a kissing fetish but I do have a tickling fetish so IN MY MIND they are completely different things. I don't understand how you can compare kissing your own child to tickle torturing your own child. ALL children are vulnerable. I don't know of any child who can defend themselves against any adult. For a parent without a tickling fetish giving their child a quick gentle tickly poke that might be ok, but, for an adult to involve a child in any fetish is not only abuse but also very disturbing IN MY OPINION. Children are not able to make informed choices and decisions but adults are. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. These are my words and my thoughts. I quite enjoy having debates. Maybe I will learn something from other peoples views.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

This post is not directed at anybody in particular; it's just a generic thought.

Whatever your opinion is, you can always learn something new from hearing someone else's. That is especially true in a fetish forum, where the whole point is that different people experience it differently. If that weren't so, what would be the use of having a forum?

I agree. I'm not saying I know anything or everything. I'm saying I know what is best for my daughter and sharing my thoughts. 🙂

 

[aun_existe_amor]

Just a couple of comments -

This isn't about a bunch of bible-thumpers engaged in man-bashing. The largest BDSM organization in the world has special groups for women only, men only, tops only, bottoms only, etc. It's *perfectly* legitimate to have special places reserved for *like* people to discuss issues.

I made this comment earlier and I hold to it - There are a whole contingent of men who go to different vanilla sites - women's sites, teen sites (unfortunately), and try to get a thread started about tickling. This is obviously one of those incidents. The furor it raised is NOT uncommon at all. Go to Bondage.com and see how many supposed "submissives" and "slaves" (people who say they get off on the loss of control) react to the thought of tickling. VERY negatively. At the heart of the tickling fetish (IMNASH) opinion is the issue of control. Women who love to be tickled love it for all the obviouos tactile reasons, but also because it's a TPE (total power exchange) that's very intimate and usually requires a great deal of partner trust. But the fact is that MOST women - 99% certainly, if not more - will tell you that tickle *torture* (that is, tickling that makes them lose control and therefore makes them feel humiliated) is off limits and will be considered abuse.

I would think that anyone here would know all of this all too well. To get all fired up about the fact that perfectly vanilla women have a deep problem with being tickle tortured strikes me as VERY naive...

I agree. Very well said. I seem to have difficulty expressing my thoughts and opinions.

 

[tkrdb2000]

I agree with aun 110%. I think that if someone has a tickling fetish they really cant just tickle someone like a child without having some sort of other reactions... its just not a little tickle or fun thing. Unfortunately a lot of people feel that our fetish is very cute or child like.. but for me and a lot of people I have got to know here and on other sites its a sexual thing.. plain and simple.. So I think aun is right on the mark when she said that we as adults should not involve children, who really dont know any better and trust us, in our fetish /sexual play what so ever.. That is just my 2 cents..

 

[Mimi]

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Aun and tkrdb are talking about a whole different kind of tickling, and that is where the heat and fire is coming from here.

The kind of tickling we do with our children is absolutely sexual free, normal parent/child playful interraction and display of affection. A quick poke here, a little tummy nibble there....totally innocent affectionate and playful acts. I would pray to God NONE of us hold our children down and subject them to any sort of fetish based torturous tickling. That is sick, abusive, and horrendously wrong. That is NOT the kind of parent/child tickling we partake in and are defending, and we as tickle fetishists would be the FIRST to put someone who did such a thing on the lynching platform. Especially since we KNOW the difference so much more than a tickle parent who takes tickling with their child a little too far.

Tickling your child in a fetish driven matter, or beyond playful affectionate limits is indeed wrong and abusive. Tickling your child in quick spurts in a loving playful innocent manner is normal parent child bonding, and no different for those of us who enjoy tickling in a sexual manner with a partner than those who do not.

Tickling is part of foreplay for me. But so is kissing, cuddling, and hugging. When I kiss and cuddle and hug my kids it is normal affectionate interraction and completely different from the kind of kissing, cuddling, and hugging I engage in with my partner. The same goes for tickling.

We all agree that tickling kids in a sexual manner or abusive manner is WRONG. Lets not confuse that with normal light parent/child interractive playful tickling.

Mimi

 

[wendynpeter]

I agree with aun 110%. I think that if someone has a tickling fetish they really cant just tickle someone like a child without having some sort of other reactions... its just not a little tickle or fun thing. Unfortunately a lot of people feel that our fetish is very cute or child like.. but for me and a lot of people I have got to know here and on other sites its a sexual thing.. plain and simple.. So I think aun is right on the mark when she said that we as adults should not involve children, who really dont know any better and trust us, in our fetish /sexual play what so ever.. That is just my 2 cents..

Whoa, there... LOL. I think that's WAY out of bounds. Just because someone has a fetish, that doesn't mean they cannot be trusted to know appropriate behavior. A tickling fetish is a sexual fetish. But not all tickling is sexual. In fact, most people do think of tickling as sexual at all. Look at it this way -- some people have a sneezing fetish, some people have a balloon fetish. Does that mean the person is necessarily going to get sexually aroused by a child sneezing or a child with a balloon? No, it doesn't, because normal people do not sexualize children. Those things are only turn-ons in the context of sexually appropriate situations. Other that that, they are just sneezes and balloons.

That said, it is true that among us there are those who do not possess the ability to determine what's sexually appropriate, and in the tickling community especially, there seem to be lots. We all see the evidence of this often in tickling fora - guys posting or viewing pictures of children being tickled, writing about it, etc. And while it isn't illegal, there's a lot to be said about the whole art genre that involves images of childlike or immature "other worldly" beings (this kind of thing is RAMPANT over at TT). So, yes, those people are probably best kept from children. But to suggest that everyone with a sexual fetish is a pedophile... that's just not correct.

 

[ViperGTS]

Whoa. WHOA. WHOA!

Back up for a second here.

I usually am able to keep an even keel, but I had to go cool off for a few minutes before replying to this.

In my mind I don't think adults should be doing anything sexual to a child and most of us are sexually aroused by tickling.

I would only be able to assume from your post that you become aroused when you tickle your own daughter, herego, you never tickle her, since you are so strictly against anyone else tickling her.

I think that if someone has a tickling fetish they really cant just tickle someone like a child without having some sort of other reactions...

So, what you're saying is, anyone on this forum who considers themselves a ler should not ever tickle their children, because then they will be aroused and become pedoshiles?

Okay, time to drop the hammer of reality on your uninformed cranium.

Tickling IrishGirl turns me on like nothing else. If I had a son or daughter, how the FUCK do you expect that tickling them would EVER turn me on? That's the same as me tickling my own MOTHER!! Not to mention the plain and simple fact that children so young, wether teay are in your own flesh and blood or not, couldn't be exciting for the majority of us since they couldn't possibly understand the deepness of the fetish. And just the fact that it's WRONG TO THINK THAT WAY goes without saying! Shit, it almost sounds to me like you speak from personal experience. Did you play with fire and get a bit burned?

There is nothing wrong with tickling children. It's when you have lost the sense of reality about it and you don't stop to think when enough is enough. I babysit for my friends every now and then. When their 7 or 12 year old decides to act up, guess what? They're gonna get a good tickling! Mind you, we're not talking about pinching, digging, and hurting the kid, we're talking about holding on to them and making them squeal and laugh, and they beg for mercy and say they won't do it anymore, then they're let go, they grin at me, and giggle. (wether or not they immediately decide to go do it again is besides the point) None of this is arousing to anyone who has any fucking common sense in their heads.

When I have kids, if someone I know tickled them, I'm not going to flip out like aun, or most of the women on the boomer/sexist website. I'm going to keep an eye on what's going on and make sure things don't get out of hand, but not deprive my children of such a fun, playful, and bonding experience.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Aun and tkrdb are talking about a whole different kind of tickling, and that is where the heat and fire is coming from here.

The kind of tickling we do with our children is absolutely sexual free, normal parent/child playful interraction and display of affection. A quick poke here, a little tummy nibble there....totally innocent affectionate and playful acts. I would pray to God NONE of us hold our children down and subject them to any sort of fetish based torturous tickling. That is sick, abusive, and horrendously wrong. That is NOT the kind of parent/child tickling we partake in and are defending, and we as tickle fetishists would be the FIRST to put someone who did such a thing on the lynching platform. Especially since we KNOW the difference so much more than a tickle parent who takes tickling with their child a little too far.

Tickling your child in a fetish driven matter, or beyond playful affectionate limits is indeed wrong and abusive. Tickling your child in quick spurts in a loving playful innocent manner is normal parent child bonding, and no different for those of us who enjoy tickling in a sexual manner with a partner than those who do not.

Tickling is part of foreplay for me. But so is kissing, cuddling, and hugging. When I kiss and cuddle and hug my kids it is normal affectionate interraction and completely different from the kind of kissing, cuddling, and hugging I engage in with my partner. The same goes for tickling.

We all agree that tickling kids in a sexual manner or abusive manner is WRONG. Lets not confuse that with normal light parent/child interractive playful tickling.

Mimi

QFE (quoted for emphasis)

 

[aun_existe_amor]

This is my last post on this thread and I'm only posting this in a very last attempt to get at least one person to understand my point of view. I DO NOT expect ANYONE to agree with me but I would like someone to understand and I don't think anyone does yet.

I'm a male ler. Tickling sexually arouses me. I'm at your house playfully tickling your child, not holding them, pinning them down or torturing them. The child seems to be having fun and enjoying it. Can you be positive that tickling your child is not arousing me? Is it ok if I'm aroused by tickling your child? Do people with tickling fetishes look any different to anyone else? How can you be sure that the person who is playfuly tickling your child is doing it for the childs enjoyment and not for only their own enjoyment?

I'm not male, I'm female. I thought if I said it as a man it might somehow be seen differently. I don't tickle children as I've already pointed out. I do not and never will, as viper said he does, hold onto a child to stop them getting away and make a child squeal and agree to whatever the adult in control wants them to agree to. Children are vulnerable and can not compete with an adults strength. Of course someone, child or adult, will laugh if they are being tickled but laughing does not always mean that they are enjoying it. I DO NOT consider becoming aroused from tickling a child as being in any way similar to a pedophile because it's not the child that is sexually arousing, it's the tickling. I have a tickle fetish. I do, very rarely, playfully give my daughter a quick tickly poke. I DO NOT BECOME SEXUALY AROUSED BY THIS. I DO NOT BECOME SEXUALLY AROUSED FROM TICKLING ANY CHILDREN but I don't know for sure if anyone else does. I have a duty and responsibility to protect my daughter and because of the way I see tickling I will not allow anyone else to tickle my daughter. I DO NOT SUGGEST THAT ANYONE HERE WOULD BE AROUSED BY TICKLING A CHILD, but, I don't know for sure whether anyone would or not so I will never take that chance with my daughter. I will not allow anyone else to even playfuly tickle my daughter because of the way I feel about tickling. I'm not saying it's wrong for any of you to allow other people to tickle your children if you think that is an ok thing for them to do. What you do with your children or allow other people to do with your children is your business.

I think that lees and lers are bound to see it differently, I also expect that people who switch have a different view again. My point is that I don't allow anyone to tickle my child. I don't see anything wrong with a mother playfully tickling children but I do think it's wrong for someone with a tickling fetish to tickle children. It's my opinion. No one has to agree. I will always respect other peoples opinions but I also will always defend myself if I think I have been misunderstood or I think people are purposely twisting my words. If you think its ok then do it with someone elses child not mine. I will not be posting again on this thread. I do not believe that I can say anymore on it. All I'm asking is that someone opens their mind and sees it from my point of view whether they agree with me or not.

tkrdb2000 hasn't got any children of his own so he has never thought about whether tickling children is right or wrong before. He knows that I will not allow anyone to tickle my daughter and he accepts that. He was trying to stick up for me knowing the way I feel about this subject. If I thought he was ever going to do something wrong to me or my daughter I would not be marying him. HE IS NOT A PEDOPHILE. I think tkrdb2000 and I can distinguish the difference between playfully tickling children and tickling adults but I can't be sure that everyone else can.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

Viper, The second quote was not mine but the way you posted looks like I wrote it, therefore it is taken out of context. My "uninformed cranium" does not appriciate your insults or arrogant remarks.

We all are entitled to have our own opinions. That was my opinion and the way I choose to bring up my daughter. Maybe your "uninformed cranium" will feel differently once you have your own children. You don't know until you have children how you will feel about it. I used to think I knew a lot of things and imagine the way I would bring up my child but until you have your own children and feel a protective parental bond you will never understand. Viper, the way you described tickling someone elses children is exactly the reason I will not allow anyone to tickle my daughter. Making a child squeal and beg for mercy IN MY OPINION IS WRONG. Thank you for helping me clarify this.

 

[ViperGTS]

Aun, I was not directing the "uninformed cranium" comment at you. It was directed at the person who made that second comment I quoted. Don't make assumptions. Ask me to clarify next time.


As you said, I am a male ler. TIckling DOES sexually arouse me. As I said about when I sit for other's children, I do tickle them. I DO NOT GET AROUSED BY THIS.

First and foremost, unless we know each other's kink's, we wouldn't know that the male ler IS a male ler. Secondly, if my child is around, and he tickled the child, and the child smile, giggles, and seems to be having a good time, I am not going to worry about it. THe ler can be as aroused as he wants, I don't give two shits. But if he so much as make any lewd motions, much less an actual aroused movement against or with my child, I'm going to break his skull open.

I have the same opinion about homosexuals. You can be the gayest man on earth, and I am happy to hang out with you...hell, gay guys are a damn blast to hang out with. But the SECOND he makes a move on me, NOW we have a problem.

From the conversations I have had with you in the chatroom, I have formed an opinion about you. It's your prerogative to do as you wish with your body and your children, and I have no right to tell you if you are right or wrong. However, I am of the opinion that you are stuck up and closed minded. That is NOT a flame. I am just explaining that I feel that what you're saying in this thread is heavily influenced by skewed, flawed outlooks on the world, or at least, one that differs from the majority of the people I know.

Point in fact: Tickling is safe when people are being smart and using proper judgement.

As for children begging for mercy when being tickled silly, ALL CHILDREN DO THAT. I did it, we all did it (except you, from what you've told me...since you've almost never been tickled).

 

[aun_existe_amor]

As for children begging for mercy when being tickled silly, ALL CHILDREN DO THAT. I did it, we all did it (except you, from what you've told me...since you've almost never been tickled). Viper
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Thanks again viper

See, there are adults who take advantage of children. I'll never risk this happening to my daughter.

 

[ViperGTS]

You just don't get it. Did you forget what it was like to be a kid? Oh, wait, you always told me that you never got tickled. No wonder you don't get it.

When faced with the impending tickling, ALL CHILDREN ASK NOT TO BE TICKLED. It has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not they want to be tickled, or if they just don't mind it. I clearly remember that when I was 5, 6, 7, etc, when my mother would grab a hold of my ankles, and I knew what was coming, I would beg like my life depended on it, NO MOMMY DON'T!!! Yet, as well know, I loved it, and when she stopped, I would still crave more.

It's called a knee jerk reaction. It's the first thing that comes out of your mouth wether you mean it or not. Your point hasn't been qualified, it's been shot down.

By the way, no risk, no reward. If no one ever tickles your child, how will she ever know if she enjoys it or not, and how will she ever know if she belongs with everyone else here in future years, when she is of age? Sounds less like you being protective, and more of deprivation of a fun, playful activity.

 

[Hosetickler23]

I have no problem with that site but do remember that the these women mostly late 40's to late 50's where part of a social change or revolution in the late 1960's to 1970's they protested and fought to get their way and they did and more power to them but the way that Kittenfingures was slammed is very rude. Also if there was a mens only forum these women would be on the war path faster then Crazy Horse in the Battle of Little Big Horn, and really all this does is just widen the gender gap between women and men.

 

[avi595k1]

Oh my... so YOU abused your own baby sitter?!?!
What a shame: that's embarassing for her even to report!

😉

She survived and tried to get me back. To this day we are close.

As for the person who called me out about father tickling daughters. I have a daughter. I littled choochee coo and stomach blowing is one thing. It sounded like those women on that website her being tortured by those adult males. I seriously doubt that they would be so tramatized by innocent tickling.

Does anyone agree with me?

 

[steph]

I don't know what you mean aun..

 

[aun_existe_amor]

I don't know what you mean aun..

I'll happily explain anything you don't understand

 

[WorkInProgress]

She survived and tried to get me back. To this day we are close.

As for the person who called me out about father tickling daughters. I have a daughter. I littled choochee coo and stomach blowing is one thing. It sounded like those women on that website her being tortured by those adult males. I seriously doubt that they would be so tramatized by innocent tickling.

Does anyone agree with me?

I agree with you, within the precisely defined limits as you state them. Thing is, it's understood that ticklephiles need to be careful with their children. For some that means no tickling whatsoever, and for others it means just a little bit now and then. It's the difference between casual and systematic tickling. I think people in this site understand that when they want to truly get aroused by doing serious tickling, their children aren't the ones to look to.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

I really don't see what there is to understand. I gave my opinion, you either agree with it or you don't. If you do then great, say so. If you don't then thats great too, say so. There's no need for any insults. This is supposed to be an adult forum. I'm beginning to feel singled out and picked on just because I gave my opinion that does not match other peoples. I have as much right to post my opinions as anyone else here. I have always been polite and friendly towards people here. You don't know me or anything about me. I like having discussions and debates, that's why I use the chatroom. This thread has gone far beyond a discussion or a debate. It's down to insults now. That is wrong. I feel like an outsider. I have only felt like this until I started posting. I have always enjoyed the chatroom and thought I would enjoy the main forum too. Sadly I don't.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

I agree with you, within the precisely defined limits as you state them. Thing is, it's understood that ticklephiles need to be careful with their children. For some that means no tickling whatsoever, and for others it means just a little bit now and then. It's the difference between casual and systematic tickling. I think people in this site understand that when they want to truly get aroused by doing serious tickling, their children aren't the ones to look to.

I agree with you too