No Job. No Desire to Work. Are you considered "Productive" ?!?

[GQguy]

So then, you would consider being the cashier at a McDonalds 'successful'?

I think most people call them losers, to be honest.

I have alot more respect for the cashier at McDonalds than the girl living off her parents and doing nothing with her life. Is that cashier a loser?....depends. Is that what they aspired to be? Or is it a job they took because they had no aspirations and no desire for responsibility? Are they there because they are scared of hard work in other jobs? When I order my fries is the cashier attentive, sharp and and appear happy to be there(even though they might hate it)....or is he the guy that looks like he'd rather be elsewhere texting on his phone while you make your order and rude? There is a stark difference.

Again....success is a state of mind...not a destination. That sharp McDonalds guy could be the next president.....calling him a loser would be wrong. That guy that works at McDonalds and could be fired at any second because he has a loser mentality....that guy is a loser. Same job, different attitudes different labels.

GQ

 

[chicago]

I define success as being able to make a living and being relatively happy. If the cashier at McDonald's can manage that, he/she isn't a loser in my book. Someone with no goals or plans for the future, with no income to provide a life for themselves, certainly isn't productive and would definitely be considered a loser in my opinion.

 

[Mitchell]

As I read this thread more, it makes me realize how one sided it is. It isnt what reality is, but, rather, what the people posting on this thread think it is. Okay.. fine.., tell me if THIS is productive. This is a case of someone who "worked/works", BUT only in her way, AND has sponged off relatives, including me!

As I've posted befiore, my aunt is an artist. For.. more than a quarter century, she has promoted her art only one way.. by standing on the street in NYC with other artists as they sell their material. When she couldnt make a living, or made some, but not enough to meet her bills, what did she do.. she took money, THOUSANDS, from my mom, my grandmother, me, and whoever else she could get money from.

As people know, I sell antiques, and was also in a company involving direct marketing, for several years. I have many connections that could more than likely greatly enhance her business, even in the current state of economy. She has refused to do it. Know why? She didnt "want anyone else to benefit from her", because more than likely, we would have had to cut a deal with the president of my former company, to benefit everyone. She would have made.. a perecentage of thousands of dollars a month.. instead of.. a hundred percent.. of maybe.. 50 bucks a sale.

Sooo... there is someone who did both. "Worked" only HER way, while taking tons of money from her relatives without conscience.

Tell me.. is she a "Winner" or.. a "Loser". Such is why, as I've said before, there is no one answer to this question, and each situation is different.

Sigh!

Mitch

 

[Mitchell]

One other point:

Earlier this summer, when I was still in NJ, and my mom still wasnt out of the woods yet, my aunt called me, bitching and complaining how she only has her SS check to live on, and makes so little with the art sales. All I gently said to her is.. "We offered to help you. When I get home, I can call the people I know, and talk to them about helping us with your business". Her reply "I dont want to discuss that with you. I dont want to do anything else but what I'm doing, because I dont want anyone else to benefit from me. I'm the artist". This is after she and her son took thousands from me without conscience. Guaranteed, if I offered her a handout, and she could still stand and sell her art her way, she'd gladly accept the handout. I've offered for years to help her, right up until very recently, and she has refused. I will be very interested to see if people here think she is a "winner" or "loser",. with the criteria I've presented. She "worked", but also took handouts.

 

[Jagermeistered]

I define success as being able to make a living and being relatively happy. If the cashier at McDonald's can manage that, he/she isn't a loser in my book. Someone with no goals or plans for the future, with no income to provide a life for themselves, certainly isn't productive and would definitely be considered a loser in my opinion.

I have to agree with, Annie. Although, GQ, hits on great points...

I pick Annie, because she is short and to the point! Prolong-commentary distracts productivity! Basically, life is too short!

Mitch, drama is great for passing time... But, that's all!

 

[GQguy]

It's all subjective. That's an old woman. She's retirement age obviously because she's your aunt and she's taking in social security. I wouldn't call her a loser. Is she ignorant and set in her ways. Yup. But the OP was talking about a young working age woman that has no goals to work and lives off of other people. That is a loser. Few would disagree. I can tell her to go clean a toilet and make a living. I can't tell your aunt to clean floors...she's old. Being a loser is not living up to your potential...being lazy and living off of people that actually do work hard. If she were my age I'd tell her to grow up and get a real job and support herself. She's not my age. I wouldn't call her a loser...I'd call her grandma.

GQ

 

[Jagermeistered]

I wouldn't call her a loser...I'd call her grandma.

GQ

This too!

 

[Mitchell]

GQ, she started taking money from people, me included, when she was about my age, in her early 40s. As I said before, this has been going on for years. She worked, but only in her way, while still taking money from people. Her "goals" were to do things her way, and take money from people.

I probably should just stay out of this thread. Everyone can post and believe what they want. Whatever. I've learned thats how it is in this forum.

Mitch

 

[GQguy]

GQ, she started taking money from people, me included, when she was about my age, in her early 40s. As I said before, this has been going on for years. She worked, but only in her way, while still taking money from people. Her "goals" were to do things her way, and take money from people.

I probably should just stay out of this thread. Everyone can post and believe what they want. Whatever. I've learned thats how it is in this forum.

Mitch

I'm not sure what you're looking for bud. If she's a loser in your book for not taking your financial advise that's fine and living off the next generation that's fine.

GQ

 

[mabus]

Let me back up GQguy here, and mix it in with Annie's post - most people, know who a loser is.

Easiest definition - DO THEY BURDEN YOU WITH THEIR LIFE'S PROBLEMS?

Everyone has problems in life, and many people are poor. But many will fix their problems themselves, not get into problems in the first place, or if they do, deal with them like adults.
They won't blame everyone else, and you can see that they are busting their as to fix their issues.

Losers will either keep fucking up, throw their problems at other people to deal with, or blame everyone else.

Again, most people know who losers are.

As to what began this thread - there's a HUGE difference between a girl with no job, who sits on her ass all day and smokes pot, and another guy with "no job," who's starting a production company.
Someone has to feed the pot head girl. The production guy is probably feeding himself.

The pot head girl is producing nothing, and at some point, will burden other people to help her. If she gets busted with pot, other people will be burdened bailing her out of jail, and dealing with her drama.

The guy starting the production company will create jobs for people, and those people will become better people after dealing with him, because they will have a fatter, more impressive resume after their time with him. They have the possibility of making money, or gaining new knowledge, skills, and training. They'll probably make new friends. They will obviously feel much better and uplifted after doing all this.

The pot head girl will only cause strife as others have to be responsible for her, and people will go from happy and content to pissed off.

 

[GQguy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Mitchell]

Okay, GQ. Thanks.

As for my aunt, I think its both. She sees nothing wrong with taking money from others, but wouldnt do something productive to help herself, even if it doesnt 100% benefit her.

Mitch

 

[coldneck]

You probably don't believe an ideology like this, but I believe firmly that everyone is only as good as they're genetically predisposed to be.

Not everyone can be stunning, brilliant, or gifted. Not everyone can be successful.

So why even try , right?!?

Sorry, but this kind of mindset screams "Loser" loud and clear.

 

[coldneck]

Okay, GQ. Thanks.

As for my aunt, I think its both. She sees nothing wrong with taking money from others, but wouldnt do something productive to help herself, even if it doesnt 100% benefit her.

Mitch

Why do you have to bring your family into almost every post, regardless of the topic?
If it's not your mom, it's your dad, your aunt or your ex-best friend.
It's not only annoying, it's thread hijacking and it's completely off-topic.

 

[Bohemianne]

>>>The pot head girl...<<<

^ Knowing that our subject in this thread is jobless and productively useless woman, as first impressed in this thread - not even good to mother a child, perhaps. Who knows how HOT she can fuel the toy tank every night? She could be pathetically useful for a while. THEN I don't how to answer for men with hardworking stay-at-home wives who have frozen clams.... You see, things are at times complicated.