Nudity in the Magic Touch Banner Ad: this bother anybody else?

[The Last Laugh]

People here seem to see the word "porn" and think of the darker, nastier meanings of it.

Yep, I agree with that. No offense to people who are into that sort of stuff, but to me, "porn" has a negative connotation.

For example, The Last Laugh (sorry to single you out, but it helps illustrate my point), you took offence to your vids being called porn, but why did you make them?

Because I don't consider them porn, at least not porn as I understand it. If you disagree and prefer to generalize, calling anything that's in the least arousing to anyone porn, then fine, you go thinking like that. But I don't have to agree with you.

Or did you honestly make it only for those who aren't turned on by tickling and just wanted to see some good clean tickling?

(Rolling up my eyes in their sockets until I can see my own brain) Sigh... Of course I know what people do with my videos. But if you don't see a difference between two fully clothed girls having fun tickling each other and two naked people having sex, then there's really point discussing this any further.

 

[IrishTickle]

Because I don't consider them porn, at least not porn as I understand it. If you disagree and prefer to generalize, calling anything that's in the least arousing to anyone porn, then fine, you go thinking like that. But I don't have to agree with you.

But the whole point of porn is that it's specifically designed to arouse. It doesn;t have to be hard core. Only the intent has to be there.

(Rolling up my eyes in their sockets until I can see my own brain) Sigh... Of course I know what people do with my videos. But if you don't see a difference between two fully clothed girls having fun tickling each other and two naked people having sex, then there's really point discussing this any further.

Now you're deliberately putting words in my mouth. I never said that they were the same. But if they were both created to induce arousal then they are porn. It's that simple. That's the very definition of the word. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be disagreeing with the actual meaning of the word.

 

[-Hari-]

Question: How does one determine if a thread has gone "far enuf?"

Answer: When it gets shoved into obscurity by newer and/or more active threads. And ONLY then.

"A conversation should resolve itself of its own volition." - Jerry Seinfield

Nobody has contested or challenged the forum owner's right to have that image there. Everybody knows the forum is privately owned. Rights are not the issue here. Method asked if it bothers anybody besides himself. He didn't question the legality of it.

What can we do? Two things. Those interested can discuss it and share their feelings. Those who are uncomfortable with the discussion should probably not participate. Sounds simple to me.
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Geez, you really didnt like my post did ya 😛

im not trying to start things, im trying to prevent them, this thread has started to show all the signs of one spinning out of control.

what i meant was that the topic has pretty much faded away, and in place of the topic theres different conversation starting up as a result of the slightly insulting post by someone, my concerns were purely based around the conversation being carrried on in a negative mannor as a result.


fair enuf, everyone knows the banner has the right to be there,i wasnt saying people didnt, what i was pointing out was that Jeff obviously wants to advertise his clips here, and probably wants the people hes advertising to, to know theres an attractive half naked female in it, its good business. im saying , who are we to ask the guy to edit his advertisement to nude free thus hiding a major part of the nature of the clip. he obviously wants peope to know theres nudity in it. and a picture speaks a thousand words.

the feelings seemed to have been shared and in the last page or so there have been more posts that dont really have THAT much relivence to the topic than ones that do.

im not fussed if the thread carries on, but it woudl be nice to see it back on topic if its going to, rather than odd threats of buying out the all the adds and then jokes surrounding that comment, and then another user insulting people and then them writing back to contest what was said and blah blah blah.... just happens alot.

🙂

 

[Brock Samson]

Ok, I'm gonna jump in too.

Doesn't bother me at all. Method, stop tripping over something as small and insignificant as boobs on a banner. It's not a porn site, but it is a media sharing forum with ADULT content. So step out of the 50's and get over yourself. Oh, and good luck with the man on man sex advertisement plan! I doubt that Jeff is going to sell you the advertisement slots just so you can have your selfish spiteful fun and put up images that will offend the VAST MAJORITY of people here due to both content and reasons. If you're so rich, then create your own forum, with your banners, and your rules. Cuz this is Jeff's forum. Jeff's forum, Jeff's banner, Jeff's rules 🙂mhorns:Jeff's world, Jeff's world, partytime, excellent!). Spillane, buddy, pal, friend, amigo, compadre, tovarich, comrade. I have a foot fetish, so I guess I'm mean and full of rage, right? I happen to think that tickling the foot of a clothed woman is very entertaining. This forum isn't a sex media forum, its a tickling media forum. Sex isn't always a part of tickling, but tickling is often incorporated into sex. See the difference? Oh, and chill with the ignorant insults and assumptions again't other members. I never thought I would see the day a fetishist downtalk other fetishists! Well, I think I have thouroughly quenched my thirst for ranting, so in the words of Sista Soulja: An injustice anywhere is an injustice anywhere.

 

[drew70]

The vast majority of users on this site are here because tickling is arousing to then. It's a porn site, plain and simple. It's not as hardcore as most sites on the net, but it's based on porn. I can't see how that can be argued.

It can be argued quite easily, in fact.

Let's look at a couple of definitions

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
American Heritage Dictionary

the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
Webster​

Both definitions state that for material to be porn it must have two components.

1) The intent/purpose must be to cause sexual arousal/excitement.

2) The content itself must be erotic or sexually explicit.

As for the first point. I would contend that the intent/purpose in most tickling videos is not to get people off, but rather to make money by marketing them. Or do you believe the makers of Coca Cola make their product over concern for our thirst? I think that if it suddenly became illegal to make a profit off of tickling videos we'd see a drastic reduction of them.

As for the second point, tickling in and of itself is neither erotic nor sexually explicit. This is not a matter of opinion but rather of fact. Tickling only becomes erotic or sexual when erotic or sexual elements are introduced along with the tickling, such as nudity, orgasm, or genetal contact.

Tickling is not a sexual act, even for those with the fetish. They may get aroused by it, but that doesn't change the nature of the act itself.

Hence, any tickling video that contains no other erotic elements cannot qualify as pornography.
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[Brock Samson]

It can be argued quite easily, in fact.

Let's look at a couple of definitions

Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
American Heritage Dictionary

the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
Webster​

Both definitions state that for material to be porn it must have two components.

1) The intent/purpose must be to cause sexual arousal/excitement.

2) The content itself must be erotic or sexually explicit.

As for the first point. I would contend that the intent/purpose in most tickling videos is not to get people off, but rather to make money by marketing them. Or do you believe the makers of Coca Cola make their product over concern for our thirst? I think that if it suddenly became illegal to make a profit off of tickling videos we'd see a drastic reduction of them.

As for the second point, tickling in and of itself is neither erotic nor sexually explicit. This is not a matter of opinion but rather of fact. Tickling only becomes erotic or sexual when erotic or sexual elements are introduced along with the tickling, such as nudity, orgasm, or genetal contact.

Tickling is not a sexual act, even for those with the fetish. They may get aroused by it, but that doesn't change the nature of the act itself.

Hence, any tickling video that contains no other erotic elements cannot qualify as pornography.
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Swish...Count it!

 

[The Last Laugh]

But the whole point of porn is that it's specifically designed to arouse.

Sure, but just because porn is meant to arouse doesn't mean everything mean to arouse is porn. Your argument is flawed logic.

Now you're deliberately putting words in my mouth. I never said that they were the same. But if they were both created to induce arousal then they are porn. It's that simple. That's the very definition of the word.

How am I putting words in your mouth? If you call both types of material porn, then to you they're in the same category (which is porn). That's my point.

You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be disagreeing with the actual meaning of the word.

Alright then, if you want to see it that way, let's all stop calling our interest a fetish, because technically speaking, for something to be an actual fetish, one has to be incapable of arousal without the object of the fetish. I seriously doubt that's the case of the majority of people here, so it turns out that the TMF isn't a fetish site after all. But does rejecting the term "fetish" make practical sense just because it's technically true? Of course not.

As for the arguments revolving around the definition of porn, sorry, they don't cut it with me. I've read several, and most of them include terms like "obscene", "erotic", "sexually explicit", etc. That tells me that the term "porn" refers to something, well, sexually explicit. My videos may be meant for arousal, but they're most certainly not sexually explicit.

 

[-Hari-]

can anyone see what i was getting at yet? we`re way off topic, its now clearly a heated debate about wether this is a porn site or not.

 

[Tklr90]

It breaks down like this:


1. Addie is hot
2. Jeff is the freakin man!
3. Addie is hot
4. boobies = 🙂
5. addie is hot





😀

 

[meangry]

Sorry to break it to everyone: (Method, Amnesiac, Last Laugh) but this site is

1. A site with "adult" content.

2. Has links to other porn sites everywhere

3. Advertises and supplies fetish content (which, I think it's safe to say, people get off on)

4. There is a disclaimer that you need to be 18 or older to join to view said site.

5. Pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire.

I would probably laugh if someone came on the site doing "artistic tickling videos," and while they may be "creative" that's a word I'd be less apt to use too. I guess you could argue that the clips are for "entertainment" but I think that'd be a pretty short argument. The clips, stories, videos, and so on are catering to people who get off on tickling. The end.

It's a porn site, but you can use any other euphemism you want to describe it, "adult" being one of them. If you're joining an "adult" site, don't complain about seeing a pair of tits.

I know people might not like to hear it...but...

She's right. There is divides, but at the end of the day, if it is marketed in a certain way, that makes it pornography.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Wow... This thread wasn't that serious the last time I posted. I actually wasn't going to say anything else, but then I realized something extremely funny...

LOL... the funny thing is, this blow up probably caused more people to notice and check out the banner. This increased the effect of the exposure, which possibly increased the amount of people who would click on it and check out what is being offered. He may even sell more clips because of it.

So the more you argue, the more the banner is viewed. Free advertising. Either way, more people are "offended", or aroused lol, or plain just don't care.

Excellent for business, wouldn't you say?

Sunny

 

[Brock Samson]

No kidding! The marketing practically sells itself!

 

[fonzieluck]

Wow... This thread wasn't that serious the last time I posted. I actually wasn't going to say anything else, but then I realized something extremely funny...

LOL... the funny thing is, this blow up probably caused more people to notice and check out the banner. This increased the effect of the exposure, which possibly increased the amount of people who would click on it and check out what is being offered. He may even sell more clips because of it.

So the more you argue, the more the banner is viewed. Free advertising. Either way, more people are "offended", or aroused lol, or plain just don't care.

Excellent for business, wouldn't you say?

Sunny

i agree...this is getting ridiculous

 

[Adam]

This doesn't bother me in the least. I see one topless photo of Addie to the far right. In the rest of the images, she is clothed. Different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer clothed tickling, while others enjoy nudity. That banner caters to both.

 

[The Last Laugh]

So the more you argue, the more the banner is viewed. Free advertising. Either way, more people are "offended", or aroused lol, or plain just don't care.

Well, if it helps promote the TMF and the banner's owner (i.e. Jeff), then I guess it's all good. Can't complain about that. But despite my own participation in this thread, I do agree that this is getting ridiculous. I'll do my best to ignore any further comments that I find insulting.

By the way, I hope people understand that even though I felt insulted by some people's comments, I'm not actually offended by the nudity in Jeff's banner or elsewhere on the TMF. I'd prefer if there weren't any, but it's no big deal, and it's none of my business anyway.

 

[P[a]pi]

Bother me? No

Would I rather it not be there? Yes, but the same goes for the f/m banner that was there before haha.

These are just my preferences.



Also, I agree with those who have said that bondage/tickling pics/clips are not porn unless there is nudity showing private areas, sex toys, etc.

 

[drew70]

Geez, you really didnt like my post did ya 😛

I admit you are right. I didn't like it. But that doesn't mean I don't like you. 🙂 There were two things I didn't like about it. 1) I didn't like the way the topic was shifted from "does this bother you?" to "does it have a right to be there?" And 2) The insinuation that because this is a free forum we have no business recommending changes, that we should just fall on our knees in worship it all. I know you didn't SAY that, but that's sort of how it came across.

im not trying to start things, im trying to prevent them, this thread has started to show all the signs of one spinning out of control.

When I think of the qualities of a good discussion, the idea of control doesn't make the list. I think the best conversations are those free of constraint, in which thoughts and ideas are freely expressed, and not under control of a third party.

what i meant was that the topic has pretty much faded away, and in place of the topic theres different conversation starting up as a result of the slightly insulting post by someone, my concerns were purely based around the conversation being carrried on in a negative mannor as a result.

It's okay if negative opinions are expressed. As long as negative comments pertain to ideas or things and not to other posters, my understanding is that such comments don't violate the Golden Rule.

who are we to ask the guy to edit his advertisement to nude free thus hiding a major part of the nature of the clip.

We are his audience and his customer base. Who else do we need to be?

im not fussed if the thread carries on, but it woudl be nice to see it back on topic...

I respectfully disagree with this alleged departure from topic. Somebody objected to nudity, and others insisted that since the TMF was a porn site, such an objection was invalid. So those who objected to the nudity had to show that by definition, the TMF was not a porn site, thus validating the objection.

And then still others felt that if it had been male nudity in question, many would have been less tolerant of it. Sure it gets a little multi-faceted but that just means we've hit upon something all too rare...a topic in which people have a variety of feelings and viewpoints.

I personally place a lot more value on discussions such as this one then some of absurdities in General Discussion. Serious discussions sometimes get a little heated but even those die a natural death if we let them.
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[dskodj]

In case people dont remember...the TMF began as a tickling fetish forum, yes tickling was a sexual fetish thing that got people off by either being a 'ler or 'lee yas know? 🙄

 

[dskodj]

oh and i think its great that there's a small shot of tits on the advert..maybe it will remind folks about FETISH..hell, bring on a fucking cock too..i wouldn't like it, but shit, if it reminds and enforces that tickling is a fetish...do what ya gotta do! long live MTP! one of the original vid makers still hangin in there and still the same 🙂

 

[-Hari-]

I admit you are right. I didn't like it. But that doesn't mean I don't like you. 🙂 There were two things I didn't like about it. 1) I didn't like the way the topic was shifted from "does this bother you?" to "does it have a right to be there?" And 2) The insinuation that because this is a free forum we have no business recommending changes, that we should just fall on our knees in worship it all. I know you didn't SAY that, but that's sort of how it came across.

heh, i guess we`l just have to disagree there then 🙂 i feel because we get this whole forum and all its features for free that we should just let the guy put his banners up, nudity or not. and not question it. im not saying that this thread is about wether or nto it has a right to be there, im saying that becuase it does it shouldnt be changed, and we should just let him get on with his advertising the way he wants to because it doesnt violate anything and. i guess what im saying is give the guy a break, he puts a banner up and someones just got to disaprove.

When I think of the qualities of a good discussion, the idea of control doesn't make the list. I think the best conversations are those free of constraint, in which thoughts and ideas are freely expressed, and not under control of a third party.

i agree with you. i actually retract what i said about this thread in a sense, It was going off into other things but now seems to have settled back onto the main topic. 🙂 but it certainly was starting to look like another one of those threads that just turn into a falme battle. im glad it didnt after all.

It's okay if negative opinions are expressed. As long as negative comments pertain to ideas or things and not to other posters, my understanding is that such comments don't violate the Golden Rule.

i know 🙂 i was refering to posts like......

I have a lot of money. Enough that I could buy out every advertisement on the TMF.


In 60 days, I am going to buy up every ad on this website, and replace it with images of male on male anal sex.


If anyone is not ok with this, please see the above comment that "Its just a pair of breasts" and replace the phrase 'a pair of breasts' with "rugged male on male anal sex".


-Meth

which looks more like a threat to me, im aware its not going to happen but if i said i was gonna punch someone, it still wouldnt we welcome conversation wether i actually followed thru or not.

I respectfully disagree with this alleged departure from topic. Somebody objected to nudity, and others insisted that since the TMF was a porn site, such an objection was invalid. So those who objected to the nudity had to show that by definition, the TMF was not a porn site, thus validating the objection.

And then still others felt that if it had been male nudity in question, many would have been less tolerant of it. Sure it gets a little multi-faceted but that just means we've hit upon something all too rare...a topic in which people have a variety of feelings and viewpoints.

I personally place a lot more value on discussions such as this one then some of absurdities in General Discussion. Serious discussions sometimes get a little heated but even those die a natural death if we let them.

thats a fair point 🙂 and now the heat has calmed so all is well, could have done with out the dodgy threat i mentioned tho. Besides, i didn't say the thread should be finished. I just wondered weather it should, and luckily, there was no need.


heh, are we done, my fingers are tired 😛

 

[tickledorange]

Why again does no one like the breasts?

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Well, if it helps promote the TMF and the banner's owner (i.e. Jeff), then I guess it's all good. Can't complain about that. But despite my own participation in this thread, I do agree that this is getting ridiculous. I'll do my best to ignore any further comments that I find insulting.

7-25-2002 My goal is to produce amateur videos for ticklephiles who prefer the more down-to-earth side of tickling. My models are regular, natural everyday girls with little or no modeling experience. While I do try to hire girls with pleasant looks, my selection criteria in that department aren't especially strict, as I feel that anyone who's open-minded, enthusiastic, playful, and most importantly very ticklish, has the potential to be an excellent tickling model. That's not to say that my videos won't feature pretty models. It's just that I don't go for glamor. My personal bias is for the girl-next-door amateur, not the professional.

Along the same lines, my videos don't contain nudity or skimpy outfits. Nor do they feature any sexual activity. The models wear their everyday clothes. I understand that many people prefer some more adult elements in their tickling footage, and that's fine. To each his/her own. However, that's not the direction I want to take with my company. I wouldn't be comfortable with that. Anyway, there are many companies out there that do a great job with videos of that nature already.

Last Laugh, I want YOU to know that I do respect you and that I understand your frustration. I posted a quote from you written on July 25, 2002. Six years ago you shared the vision of your company with TMF. At that time, I really was more into the playful aspect of tickling. In most cases, I didn't really care for the nudity or much of the sexual content. I wasn't naive, knowing that I couldn't force anyone else to agree or even sympathize with me point of view (although many did understand). I just didn't really want to see the complete nudity or the 25 million videos that ended in the same vibrator scenario. You were a breath of fresh air to me.

So I do understand how offensive some of the statements were to you. It is the company's job to create a product that is appealing to its cliental. How the customer chooses to use the product is really up to them. We know that many use tickling vids to "get off". But I am positive that there are others who do not. We end up arguing in a circle, either way.

Shrug... Continue to be true to your vision, just know that not everyone will be able to comprehend it, not all will agree with it, and many may not even see it. Then there are those of us who do.

Sunny

 

[kyle]

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. It seems to me that he was clear about that in his post. Does not wanting to see nudity in some places automatically mean that a man isn't attracted to women?

That being said, I don't really mind that little bit of nudity. The only reason it might bother me is if a potential model checked out the TMF out of curiosity and decided not to work with me because she doesn't want to appear on a site with nudity. But frankly, if a girl were so shocked by something so mild, on a fetish website at that, despite knowing that my videos are meant for an adult audience, then it might be best to give her a pass anyway.

I do understand the original poster's point of view, and my own personal preference would be to see no nudity at all on the TMF. But I agree that it's normal for a fetish site, and if the pictures on the main page don't get much racier than those in MTP's banner, I don't think it's much of a problem.



Can't say I like the idea of my videos being described as "porn".

I've always thought you seemed like a nice guy and I don't want to offend you BUT... You are a porn producer. And if you aren't telling those girls in your videos that they are making porn, that's unethical.

 

[meangry]

Why again does no one like the breasts?

I does.

 

[kyle]

Hence, any tickling video that contains no other erotic elements cannot qualify as pornography.

Do you not consider BONDAGE an erotic element? Just because it's not a mainstream kink does not mean it isn't porn. These videos are made to sexually arouse people. It's porn no matter how you spin it. Debating the matter makes you look stupid or stubborn.