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qjakal said:
Wish every story here had as happy an ending. I came out to my wife about 3 years ago since I was spending a lot of time here modding, but it didn't play out anywhere as well as yours...lol. Ah well, you roll the dice you sometimes come up 7 or 11, but often crap out, right?

Maybe next life!

Good luck and continued happiness!

Q

I'm so sorry to hear that... :dropatear

I personally believe negative reactions from others when we're "outted" would fall under the standard category of fearing and/or loathing what isn't understood. Further, if it's a mate we're dealing with (as opposed to just friends) and he/she doesn't share any attraction to the fetish whatsoever, then that fear and anger is coupled with an intense feeling of being left out of the most intimate side of the relationship. External, solitary fetish = extreme insecurity in partner, in other words.

In my experience, unless a person is a very special breed who has experienced NO betrayal, NO emotional pain, etc.(which may describe .03% of the population) ever in life, then he/she will view anyone or anything else that would spark his/her mate as a threat. Case and point: when I did tell my husband about my contact on this website during the big "confession" thing, I probably asked him half a dozen times if he was certain it was okay I was here and talking to all of you--because if the situations were reversed and he was visiting a website on the sly that catered specifically to his own sexual fetish, I'd most likely be going ballistic. I am viscerally jealous of anything that would create excitement in him that isn't me, or something that excites me as well, you see? (Unfair? Perhaps, in logical form. But being female, I don't have to be entirely logical, so nyah. 😛 lol) Blessedly, he understands and accepts this, but on a psychological slant, the deeper the insecurity, the stronger the reaction to external "invasions".

Yeah, I know, you didn't ask. I just wanted to maybe show a different facet of the issue you described...and to prove I'm not a complete schlup with emotional health stuff. 😉
 
Myriads said:
Mistress Aura said: And guess what, Myriads? You hit every single nail on the head--I mean, three-for-three, full-on bullseyes. He saw your response and said, "Hey, look, this guy's good--he knows you, too." And I didn't even really know, dammit! Or at least, I didn't put it all together...but he said he'd suspected previously, and now knew for sure exactly what I needed.

I have had some practice at this. : D

Happy to expand here or in private if you want to follow up more.

Myriads

OMG, by all means, expand here or in private, whichever...I would love to learn more! Thank you so much for recognizing it! :bowing:

This is like Helen Keller and "w-a-t-e-r"... LOL

To find out it's not just a strange mental short circuit but actually a marked and recognizable behavioural pattern is such an incredible relief! Of course, now I'm in a frenzy of curiosity, too... But you probably knew that. Or you're enjoying it. Or both. :evilha:

Again--thanks! :justlips:
 
PokeyinMich said:
I agree with LK, Mistress Aura, welcome, or welcome home. And like any family not everything is perfect but you have found a home for so long as you want it. I have made a few friends in this community that could teach much of the rest of the world how it is done. My name is Jim and its good to see you here.

Thank you, Jim! :justlips:

I shall strive to fit in w/o intruding....
 
lk70 said:
Congratulations Mistress Aura. That's how a marriage should be. Welcome to our community! :dogpile:

Thank you! I've been more than blessed in all phases regarding my marriage, but this situation was over the top...I'm glad you all allowed me to share it. :justlips:
 
o please do intrude...and welcome to the forum..i don't have much to say about this however...until last summer i never realized i had this fetish..it was just something deep inside me that i always fantasized about...my husband knows about it..but he doesn't share my fetish..i haven't really hid it..just never came up in topics with my sister or my friends...good luck Mistress Aura...i think you fit in just fine...my name is Melanie btw.. :wub:
 
Tamia78 said:
Interesting threads I'm reading today...... :veryhappy

First of all, welcome to the forum! There are alot of wonderful people here (some of whom have already posted), and many more that may be able to help you understand a little bit more of why we feel the way we do about tickling.

I'm one of the ones who has yet to "come out" to friends and family. I did tell my best friend, and she thought it was weird, but we've never talked about it too much. You described the situation in which your ex-husband called you into the room to watch the tickling scene. I would have reacted the same way. It's almost like they are making fun of you or something. If they didn't know you had a fetish, they certainly wouldn't have called you into the room. They might think they are being helpful, but it makes me feel worse when they just put it out there like that.

--T

Exactly. Even now, after all of what's happened, there are still a few things I just canNOT comfortably look at with anyone, not even my husband (yet). If I share something that private, personal and intense with someone, I don't care HOW minor and "no-big-deal"-ish they think it is, it's still private, dammit, you know?

Thanks for relating to my issue, I appreciate it! :justlips:
 
isabeau said:
o please do intrude...and welcome to the forum..i don't have much to say about this however...until last summer i never realized i had this fetish..it was just something deep inside me that i always fantasized about...my husband knows about it..but he doesn't share my fetish..i haven't really hid it..just never came up in topics with my sister or my friends...good luck Mistress Aura...i think you fit in just fine...my name is Melanie btw.. :wub:

Thank you as well, Melanie! :justlips:

With your permission (and I don't say that often anymore! lol-jk), I will intrude, then, but shall attempt not to protrude.

Does your husband not sharing your fetish create any rifts in your relationship? (I'm just curious, no need to answer, of course, if it's NOMB) My husband doesn't share my fetish on this level either. Blessedly, we did locate something that Myriads pointed out in a previous post that we do both like quite a bit, so we have a common ground in that.

(I'm still in the "exploding-phase", so please don't think me a yammering fool until I find my equilibrium, okay? 😉)
 
I'll answer that privately with you..most here know that he doesn't share it..and also that he thinks it is all a bit sick..but it hasn't caused a rift in our relationship..as a matter of fact, just last night he did tickle me briefly..he is getting a bit better at it lol..the big dummy....ah Mistress i didn't mean to order you around hehe..i'm a submissive..or would be if i indulged in that lifestyle..
 
isabeau said:
I'll answer that privately with you..most here know that he doesn't share it..and also that he thinks it is all a bit sick..but it hasn't caused a rift in our relationship..as a matter of fact, just last night he did tickle me briefly..he is getting a bit better at it lol..the big dummy....ah Mistress i didn't mean to order you around hehe..i'm a submissive..or would be if i indulged in that lifestyle..

I look forward to hearing from you then, luv.

I no longer participate in the lifestyle myself (other than fantasy and creative works), but was kinda sorta training as a bottom "back in the day". During my obsessive research at that time, I learned the well-known cardinal rule: In order to be a good top, you have to completely understand what's going on as a bottom. I considered adopting the D/S lifestyle as a sub, but realized it was just not something feasible for me, for a myriad of reasons. After further research, I graduated... :whip: :bowing: LOL

The drawback to a submissive when involved with a well-trained dom is that, having been a bottom for long enough, the dom will expect a great deal more from the sub, as opposed to someone who just throws on some leather boots, flails around a whip or a dressage and barks out orders and insults without a clue of what he or she is actually doing.

Oh, geez. I did it again. Sometimes y'all will just have to handle these sudden "train-of-thought" posts as they spill out... 🙄
 
Myriads said:
Given that you like the three things I named I can say that your fetish is a branch of the one that I enjoy: Response Control

...

Response control is all about causing. It can be tickling, orgasm play (forced or withheld), massage, bondage, hypnotism, or even regular sex. It's all about doing SOMETHING to cause a action in the other that they would not make on their own.
:yowzer: :yowzer: :yowzer: :yowzer: :yowzer:

Wow!!

Tickling, orgasm control, and massage are three of my favorite things in the world! The idea they could be the same thing ("response control"?) blows my mind!

I'm also dying to learn more! To quote Mistress Aura...I'm in a "frenzy of curiousity"! Please do either post or PM, Myriads, if you have more info.
 
Many of us share this particular fascination as part of our "fetish" (although I believe technically it's NOT a fetish...but that's another thread and some semantics..lol). It actually seems to be one of the more common ones. Myriads has a lot of acquired info that I'm sure he'll be glad to post on the subject.

Q
 
Mistress Aura said:
Oh, geez. I did it again. Sometimes y'all will just have to handle these sudden "train-of-thought" posts as they spill out... 🙄

Mistress Aura, some of the best forum threads ever in any forum on the internet today stem from such "Train-of-thought" posts. We don't, these days, often get the chance to be HEARD in life, and usually those words we wish to trail at the end of an idea get stuck in our heads. Sometimes, forever.

We tend to forget them, mark them off as un-important. However here at the TMF, it's important to know that there is really no need to fear the desire to truly open your mind, your thoughts, for you are with people who are closer to you than you know.

I learned this, 6 years ago when I found the first TMF run by "Psy". I learned that I no longer had to feel as if there wasn't a place to speak, learn and more importantly, "play". Enjoy yourself, and welcome to the playground. 🙂 Meet us by the sandbox if you dare! ^^

To Myriads, how have I been here for so long and never seen how truly smart you are? You have described not just Mistress Aura, but I suspect a good deal of people that frequent this board. I'm glad you're at the helm and hope to hear more from you again. You rarely post these days. Hats off to you friend. 🙂
 
I'm happy to expand.

Fetishes and/or paraphilias are very much like the branches of a tree. The closer you get to the leaves the more specific the fetish. But as you work your way back down toward the ground, twigs merge into branches and so on. Thus a wide array of specific fetish behaviors all share a greater fetish classes traits and so on. When you reach the trunk you are at "Human Sexuality" everything.

Response Control is a major 'branch' of the Dominate 'branch'. Note that because Domination can be done in many ways (Direct control, Psych Ops, Voyeurism) flavors of these fetish areas filter down to the Response control branch.

Response Control (RC for simplicity from here out) is best defined as Arousal by causing.

This is a wide area.

If you tickle someone you cause laughter/stuggle/begging/panic/arousal.

If you bind someone you cause stuggle/panic/arousal/(more depending on bondage type)

As a voyeur you are causing embarrassment, or the potential thereof if the act was know.

If you watch some one masturbate you are entering the feedback loop of the person acting in a highly personal way, seeing a vulnerable moment that is usually private. That's a form of Psychological control.

Forced orgasm/denial of same is obvious.

Bloodplay, Breathplay, humiliation games all fall into the area.

Giving a massage or causing a partner to orgasm are fair game. One enjoys seeing what touching 'here' will do. Or what this position will cause. RC lovers are often more apt to not orgasm by choice during sex, to prolong the effect they are causing on thier partner. Only finishing when satisfied with the result they worked on the person.

And so on...

Some will get off on seeing a person wrestled into submission and bound. Start to finish. The seeing of control imposed is the aspect keyed to here.They are seeing a subject being forced into limited response sets. Same idea as why bondage is arousing to the RC person. It allows the exploration of responses that are harder to see in normal times.

Playing/watching Strip poker would pass. The loosers are being 'controled' by the winner. Seeing them stripped keys the vulnerbilites of public nudity, and they resact.

Tickling is an interesting fetish because it's a bridge fetish that ties a lot of areas together. Control, Domination, Humiliation, Involuntary physical response, physical response exploration (If I touch here...) As it Co-ops bondage for effective play, that side of control gets pulled in. As it focuses on body parts (feet) specific groupings of folks who like them are tied in. It's a very flexible fetish for connecting to others.

Also, as tickling is part of the normal human emotional/physical growth experience it's cross cultural and encountered by just about all people as they age from infant to child to adult.

Exposure is a factor in fetish acquisition.

For many RC folks tickling is the first RC stratagy they could employ thus they come to like it. Some never move past, others do, but find it a special subset they return to often.

OK that's a rough sketch. Ask specifics for better answers. I'm happy to do my best for any who ask.

And a bonus: If you like to see people get themselves off:

http://www.beautifulagony.com

And it's sister sites are a great place to visit. The month membership is well worth the price. They have several hundred clips.

To Mistress Aura, as to why you get so mad when people whom knew about your fetishes tried to discuss or share them, it could be simply a matter of control. You are aroused by seeing this stuff in a way that YOU cannot control. It's a very intense and involentary thing for you, and it's a tool that a knowledgable Dom could use to get a strong grip on you. You don't like the idea of being controled period. That these people make you feel vulnerable by poking the topic activates your defenses to Alpha level.

Myriads
 
Myriads,

You imply that tickling, in itself is a 'gateway' fetish to a degree by describing it as such.

I think one of my own personal observations of why tickling is such an exciting thing to me, is due to it's, preety much, unexplicable reaction.

Why tickling and not the desire to inflict pain? Both can be caused by similar means and both cause a reaction. One would say tickling is "not" painful, but it causes the ticklee to retreat in a very similar manner. I think the obvious conclusion is 'laughter'.

It is an involuntary reaction, but why? To laugh at a joke, or in a social situation is one thing. However to laugh by touch, to me is a ridiculously mysterious process. One that I almost hold a sort of spectral attraction to. It's almost morbid, but one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen as a child is seeing this girl in the park by my house at 13. Held down by 2 boys, who apparently were friends, was being tickled preety furiously. Despite her actually crying with full tears, tickling brought out perhaps the most foreign and uncontrolled reaction possible. I can understand squirming, retreating and screaming, but laughing?

If I pinch you, you feel pain, you react in a very much similar form of way that anyone else would. Yelp, shout, hiss, punch me, whatever.

However, how is holding someone down, and regardless of wether they are angry, sad, annoyed, they react to a specific touch by "laughing!" of all things! I can see how it's linked to the power and control and the Response Control, but you have to admit, that tickling as a fetish is special to it's own degree. It isn't a typical responce, one that isn't even well documented through research academically.

How do we link the desire to cause laughter into the trunk? Laughter specifically, not just any reaction.
 
Ya know... there's 39,679 members in here, how can THAT many folks have it wrong?... maybe we're the "normal" ones and everyone else is kinky.
 
Mz Chaos said:
Ya know... there's 39,679 members in here, how can THAT many folks have it wrong?... maybe we're the "normal" ones and everyone else is kinky.

Gosh we missed you!
 
How do we link the desire to cause laughter into the trunk? Laughter specifically, not just any reaction.

This is highly specific. And individual to the specific person. No real way to say.

Myriads
 
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