Outright Video Tape Pirating Happening (FM, PV, TC and more)

[talons]

I find it amusing that the one post where I was the least critical of TIB got deleted. 🙄 In any event, I find TIB to be of the shady nature. I will not delve into the past but IMO he has made some pretty questionable decisions. I guess if the people who where effected don't care then I will leave it alone as well.

 

[WallStreet]

I'm not trying to pick on you Talons, but:
"I find TIB to be of the shady nature."
I refer you back to my earlier point about Enron and Worldcom. How shady could TIB possibly be? If he made a habit of ripping people off, I think we would see alot more legitimate complaints towards him. In a world where people have had their pensions squandered by TRULY greedy executives, does TIB really stand out as a supervillian?

Next quote: "you use the good people of this site for your own monetary advancement and in return we get......"
I'd assume that you get... the video or clips that you've paid for. What else were you expecting? Maybe TIB could stop by your home with Elke Jeinsen, and he could do your laundry and household chores while you tie up Elke and tickle torture her until the cows come home.

TIB is certainly a combination of salesman as well as producer, but again, who here needed me to tell them that? Another no brainer.
I reiterate that those who don't like TIB or his products can best make their statement by not buying his products.

I've bought many videos from TIB. Hell, the fucker even gave me a free DVD one time. I've never found his service to be poor. And I'm speaking as a paying customer.

The only time I remember TIB going into a venture that I didn't agree with was when he had his "raise money to tickle a celebrity" venture. When the venture fell through, he gave all contributors the option of either a refund or a video. After the smoke cleared, I don't recall seeing any angry or disgruntled posts directed at him. He obviously made good on his word.
And I think we all know that if somebody WAS angry, we would have seen a post about it.

Unless somebody can point out a specific example of TIB ripping them off, it's not really fair to make insinuations.

 

[talons]

That tickling a celebrity thing was shady as well but it is not the incident I am refering to. The ones who got robbed know what I am talking about. However, like I said, I am not going to bring up the ugly details basically because at this point it doesn't really matter. Trying to speak against the almighty TIB on this site is almost impossible. He has everyone here snowballed. I do know for a fact though there are some who agree with me but are much less vocal than I. Hopefully, nobody else gets ripped off by this thief before you all realize just how much greed can corrupt and individual.

 

[Neutron]

Wow, finally some members are having a spine and assailing something other than non-consensual tickling.

Uh I've always had spine and spoke my mind. Most the moderators here don't really like it that way. The arrows of truth sometimes strike a bit close to home I guess.

Tron

 

[Darkknight]

I must have been one of the first 5 guys to send money for the Celeb fund. I was not worried at all, TiB has been legit since day one.
In fact, when things didn't work out with the Celeb fund, he matched my refund which gave me the option to buy 2 videos for the price of one.
I sure as hell took advantage of that, I don't get customer service like that in the real world.

I'm with Wall$treet, Tib has always been a straight A fucker. 🙂

He is not almighty here (no insult intended masked one) and never have his posts indicated so. Funny how the thread got turned on him when it was about some guy selling videos he never made and obviously has made several illegal copies to sell.

"This thief" ? Did you see how quick people jumped on PV when they did some not so cool stuff? You think this community wouldn't gang pile TC vids if they were crooks?? Pleeeaasseee...

Never had a problem with your posts Talon but this one is reaching.

DK

 

[WallStreet]

Talons-- With all due respect, you can't call somebody a thief, and then say "However, like I said, I am not going to bring up the ugly details basically because at this point it doesn't really matter."
It certainly does matter when you are potentially slandering somebody.

If you are not willing to present details, and or, proof, then you should not make the statement to begin with. It makes you come off like you're crying wolf.

 

[Haqim]

I have yet to be a customer of TIB as I have only recently trusted and tried the idea of buying things online but I do entirely agree with many of the points raised. There is nothing wrong with TIB going after people who are stealing from him. I only hope that the authorities track the person down.

I am curious Talos as to why your so against TIB going after people stealing his stuff ?

Even if TIB has done something to you or a friend in the past is something you should take up with him but accusing him with no proof is highly questionable.

I do see some peoples view that since no TIB is no longer selling the video’s himself that they should. Well if that’s your view you are Wrong it is still theift and I know a lot of people who would view it as being worse. I myself was disheartened when TIB announced he was changing to online clips (I was considering making my first online purchase at the time) but that’s his choice and I respect it. The videos if they haven’t already might become collectables. A good example of this is comics, produced for only a limited time and they’re worth afterwards will vary but that doesn’t give people the right to copy them.

“Funny thing about you TIB is that you come here and post a thread that says new pictures and then leave a link to your PAY site.”

I know I am new to posting on the forum but I see nothing wrong with Ticklevideo producers posting on the forum with updates. I know many will see this as advertisment. But this is a Tickling forum and in a way it is tickling news I welcome such posts as it lets people see when relevant sites have new updates (rather than having to check the site out to see if it has been updated). Different if someone came on advertising for something outside of Tickling.

I would like to ask TIB a few questions (I suspect you have been asked this many times).
Is it ok to buy original versions of your videos from other people who have them EG if they are on Ebay or by making a offer on the forum ?

Would you either consider in the future bringing back some of your old video’s, dvd etc even in a limited fashion ? (perhaps even have a Archive DVD ?)

If there is no going back to your video days would you either consider an outside partner ship where a site can legally sell your video’s with you get the proper Royalties for the video’s ? (I don’t mean this as an offer myself but can see your video’s are very popular and suspect that both yourself and another videos producer wouldn’t go far wrong in such an arrangement).

 

[asutickler]

I really can't see a problem with TIB taking action against the person(s) who were pirating his company's work. We're not talking about someone (legally) re-selling a legit copy of a tape on E-Bay. We're not even talking about someone (illegally) passing around pay-clips on a file-sharing service. I clicked on TIB's link to this site BEFORE it was shut down, and it was SELLING dubbed COPIES of several producers' work at a rather cut-rate price (which is easy to do when you don't have to pay models, I suppose). That's outright theft for profit. If I went and whipped up a bunch of DVD copies of Star Wars, for example, and sold them on the internet for five bucks apiece, would ANYONE be surprised/outraged when Lucasfilms busted my operation and sued my ass? Hell no. What's the difference here?

I hope you ordered a tape or two from them, TIB, just to save as evidence in case there is something that can be done about this legally. I'm sure that the pirate-folks' first line of defense will be to claim that they were selling "original videos" from their "private collection." I know there's other ways to prove that sort of thing, but IMO nothing beats physical evidence. In any case, good luck whuppin' on 'em. 🙂

Oh, and BTW... Not to take a sudden quantum leap here, but I'm pretty sure that the "robbery" (exaggerate much? 🙄 ) incident that Talons refers to is the whole RealTickling "lifetime membership" fiasco, which was raised, debated/argued/beaten to death, and buried ages and ages ago... I don't exactly see how it's relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[tickler_n_black]

I belong to several different adult communities, and this is the *only* one where I see so much whining about paying for products. Spanking people and bondagers aren't like this, they seem to understand that it takes money and effort to make the material that they love.

Originally posted by Wallstreet
It is unfortunate that a great deal of the tickling community feels that they deserve free stuff on a consistant basis. Considering how much laughter is involved in tickling, there really does seem to be an angry majority in the tickling community.

this is an interesting topic for discussion. comments wanted! why does it seem that the tickling fetish community stands out in the crowd as being people not wanting to pay? and of people who are continuously angry and divided and can't get along? why?

 

[toneus79]

The two reasons I hate TIB are:

1) When I offered my services as an unpaid assistant to TC Videos (subject to free airfare, accommodation and food allowance) I wasn't even offered an interview.
2) He still hasn't made a five minute Tickling clip of 'Joy' as requested.

However apart from that, I am forever grateful that people like TIB/Yaqi/Jeff etc, and all the other producers are out there making videos/clips. I hope they make millions out of it, because they were the ones to stick their necks out in the first place. Besides if they were ripping people off or had a bad product, they would have gone to the wall long ago (which is where the other bandwagon sites end up). My god I can remember the dark ages about ten years ago, where for every video one bought in London Soho for £60 (porporting to be Cal Star or Harmony), two out of three would have something like Spanish Football on it instead.

I too am baffled by this attitude of everything must be for free. Of course we all like something for nothing, but the other side of that is you get what you pay for. I am approaching 10GB of clips on my hard drive, most of them free. However the ones that are actually worth watching again and again are the ones I paid for from: Ticklespot, TC Videos, Magic Touch and French Tickling.

 

[Haltickling]

I can think of two possible explanations:

1) Both the spanking and the bondage followers have formed a community much earlier than the tickle people. Seems logical, as there are a lot more spankers and bondagers than there are ticklers. The tickling community is relatively new (except a token few who met before the internet days), and they are used to free material as there was no charge for clips until about 2 years ago. Probably the spankers and bondagers are already accustomed to paying for their stuff...

2) It seems that the spanking , BDSM, and bondage communities consist mainly of mature members, whereas the majority of tickling fans is rather young. They grew up with finding freebies in the web, and many don't seem to understand why they have to pay for the same material now. Their financial situation is often rather limited, so paying for stuff is rather expensive for them.

Just a few theories... 🙄

 

[talons]

Actually, my main problem with TIB has nothing to do with paying for products. I have payed for many videos including quite a few from TIB himself. My problem is that I am just sick of hearing him whine all the time. Go take care of your problems and quit dragging us into it. Maybe this forum should set up a special section just for TIB to post to when someone does him wrong. He said he takes legal action, good for him let the lawyers handle it. The fact that he only comes here to peddle his shit is minor in the whole scheme of things.

 

[Iggy pop]

this is an interesting topic for discussion. comments wanted! why does it seem that the tickling fetish community stands out in the crowd as being people not wanting to pay? and of people who are continuously angry and divided and can't get along? why?

I have no problem paying if the price is reasonable. The only problem I have is when I pay for a product and the quality of that product completely sucks. Then I will speak my opinion.

I will say this that with a few exceptions the product produced by TIB has been genearally good.

 

[drew70]

I have strong opinions about file sharing. But the Portugese website was dubbing videos and reselling them. That's not file sharing. It's not exactly theft either, by the strictest definition. But clearly it's just as wrong as theft, as he's making money on somebody else's product.

During the hayday of AMT, people would convert their videos to MPEG or REAL media and post them to the newsgroup. Nobody thought this was bad. Nobody complained. The community thrived. Everyone shared and we all benefited. But little by little, a certain few people began suggesting that such file sharing is unethical. That it's "stealing" from the makers of the original videos. And slowly, people are swallowing this line of crap. It's just unbelievable. I'm just glad I was around to snatch up the stuff while it was available.

 

[BellaRisa]

During the hayday of AMT, people would convert their videos to MPEG or REAL media and post them to the newsgroup. Nobody thought this was bad. Nobody complained. The community thrived. Everyone shared and we all benefited. But little by little, a certain few people began suggesting that such file sharing is unethical. That it's "stealing" from the makers of the original videos. And slowly, people are swallowing this line of crap. It's just unbelievable. I'm just glad I was around to snatch up the stuff while it was available. [/B]

George Carlin has a saying I dearly love:

"Have you ever noticed that other people's stuff is sh*t but your sh*t is stuff?

When we 'benefit' from other people's hard work without compensating them for it, it's 'sharing'. When others enjoy *our* hard work without said compensation, it's theft. When this friendly 'sharing' takes place over and over and over and over, sales go down and video companies can't afford to make new material, or at least not as often as we'd all like. How that's beneficial to anyone I fail to understand. Some reply to this with "well if you can't deal with this you shouldn't be in the business". That always comes from people who aren't in this business and have no idea what they're talking about.

Believe me, I totally 'get' the notion of wanting something for nothing, that's human nature. But being proud of that attitude is...disturbing, to say the least, and makes me wonder what people are teaching their babies regarding ethics and integrity these days.

Bella

 

[drew70]

Yes, the concept of semantics is a very curious thing, and often amusing. For example, a kid off the street can go into a recording studio, knowing nothing about music, vent his anger to a canned pedestrian rhythm, and be hailed as an "artist." You can use words, phrases, labels and euphamisms to alter the connotation of just about any activity. We've all done that at some time or another. But equating a desire to share files over the internet with "wanting something for nothing" is way stretching it. That's not even apples and oranges, thats apples and salisbury steak. When I walk into a store, I don't argue with the clerk that his products should be free. I fully expect to pay for whatever I walk out with. I enter into an agreement with the provider to exchange money for goods. It's no different online either. If I go to amazon.com I'm fully prepared to use the credit card, again entering into a similar agreement. If I go to AMT and see photos and JPEGS of tickling material posted, I download the ones I like. I'm still honoring the agreement with the person providing this material. It just happens to be an agreement that doesn't involve monetary compensation.

In case you weren't aware, some of us like to share and contribute material for the benefit of the community. This attitude was more prevalent a few years ago, but is now being discouraged, primarily by those wanting to squeeze out every possible dime of profit. In the past, we didn't have affordable technology available to share pictures or videos. We were basically crippled in that regard. Now that we have learned to walk, suddenly we're assailed by new legislation and psychological guilt-trips, telling us that by walking, we're hurting those who made a living carrying us.

When technology changes and makes previously lucrative service providers obsolete, it's a very unfortunate thing, I'll agree. But it's something many of us have to deal with at some point or other, especially if one earns their living on products and services based on technology. When that happens, are you going to cry about it? Or are you going to use a little imagination and come of with a creative alternative?

 

[venray]

... When I walk into a store, I don't argue with the clerk that his products should be free. I fully expect to pay for whatever I walk out with. I enter into an agreement with the provider to exchange money for goods. It's no different online either. If I go to amazon.com I'm fully prepared to use the credit card, again entering into a similar agreement. If I go to AMT and see photos and JPEGS of tickling material posted, I download the ones I like. I'm still honoring the agreement with the person providing this material. It just happens to be an agreement that doesn't involve monetary compensation.

In case you weren't aware, some of us like to share and contribute material for the benefit of the community.

The problem here as I see it is where the "person " posting that material obtained it. Did they produce it or get it from someone else who got it from someone else...etc? Where did it come from? Someone did the hard work originally and the rest of us take it for granted that once it has been posted on the internet it is up for grabs no questions asked.

This is the way it always was. That's why a lot of us feel it's ok to take we find on line and spread it around. I say we here because most of the stuff I have "shared" over the years has come from other sources. When I first put up pics it was stuff that others had put up first and I never questioned where it came from.

I have been as careful as possible as of late to either put up stuff that no one would complain about being put up or to obtain permission from producers and in most cases have them pick which samples they would like to feature on our site or we repost things that can be found in sample areas. We remove stuff from our site if a producer complains about it.

I can only say that when someone forms a pay site and produces original materials, who are we to say it's ok to spread it all over the net for free just because one person decides not to honor the agreement made when joining a pay site. If they post it it's ok for us to post it in other places as well? I think not. The old days are gone. Material will not be produced in any great abundance if we do not show support for those who produce it.


Ray ( who is still grateful for 2000 Drew pics downloaded years ago)😀

 

[BellaRisa]

the concept of semantics is a very curious thing, and often amusing. For example, a kid off the street can go into a recording studio, knowing nothing about music, vent his anger to a canned pedestrian rhythm, and be hailed as an "artist."

Yes, semantics can be downright intriguing. For another example, people can judge that kid's music, knowing little or nothing about him or the amount of hard work, determination and skill it takes to create his material, and call themselves "critics." And just as he has the right to be called an "artist" by his fans, his "critics" have the right to criticize. To each his own.

But equating a desire to share files over the internet with "wanting something for nothing" is way stretching it.

True. The simple desire to share is joyful and magnanimous, and should be taught to small children and loved ones. But taking and taking and taking and taking, then expecting the producers of what you take to provide more for the taking while you give them little or nothing in return to help them provide what you wish to take, is indeed "wanting something for nothing." Is it wrong? That opinion varies. Is it a hindrance to the production of new material? Yes indeed. I'm sure there's someplace where models work for free, and video equipment is paid for with good intentions. I haven't been there.

When I walk into a store, I don't argue with the clerk that his products should be free. I fully expect to pay for whatever I walk out with.

Good. But if you then help many others to enjoy the store's merchandise without paying for it, justified by your one purchase, the store won't be able to afford to stay open for very long, or they'll have to raise their prices quite a bit to compensate. That's bad for everyone.

If I go to AMT and see photos and JPEGS of tickling material posted, I download the ones I like. I'm still honoring the agreement with the person providing this material.

Nuh-uh, probably not. Chances are pret-ty good that the original producer didn't wish his hard work to be given away, and whomever you got it from isn't that producer. Lots of good little vid companies open and close with rapid succession, or rarely put out new offerings. Wonder why.

In case you weren't aware, some of us like to share and contribute material for the benefit of the community. This attitude was more prevalent a few years ago, but is now being discouraged, primarily by those wanting to squeeze out every possible dime of profit.

That depends on what you mean by 'benefit'. As I've said, the sharing and contributing you mention isn't being performed by the creators of said material. And if the creators can't afford to produce new work because people keep 'sharing' rather than purchasing, soon there will be very little new work to 'share'. How is that a benefit?

I think it's lovely that the community wants to share with each other. I was a member of the community long before I ever picked up a camcorder. But all too often folks are sharing work they didn't create themselves, and very often it's not even from videos they themselves purchased.

I agree with you that the tide has turned as far as people wanting to profit from their hard work, when once upon a time it didn't seem to matter. From what I can tell, things changed when smaller, independent producers who specialized in tickling began making videos. We used to only have big huge fetish video houses that made all kinds of material, and didn't really understand our kink. They had no idea AMT and such places existed, and seemed so large and anonymous that no one cared about sharing their stills and making clips. They were faceless. These days, we have one or two-man operations that truly love tickling, and know what we want to see because they wanna see it too. They *need* their profits to make ends meet and make new videos, they can't rely on many other kinks to pay for the models and lights and equipment. And they're here, amongst us, so they know when their stuff is being 'shared'.

I have no problem at ALL with sharing material you create yourself, and I *do* understand the community POV. But doing that with others' material without their permission does more harm than good in the long run, however people choose to rationalize it with warm community sentiments.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Sorry, I am picturing a bunch if guys in white puffy shirts and patches and Parrots on their shoulders, running around with boxes of tapes, yelling "Arrrrrg we got em cheap tapes for saaaaaaaaale, arrrrrg".

Damn shame when others have to resort to thieving to make a buck and a name for themselves.
However, IF I purchsed a tape or dvd, and after some time got tired of it or came accross someone else with another tape or dvd that he/she was tired of, there is NO law against trading with that person, nor is there a law against me unloading it for a discounted price. Commerce. That is how the world runs. Commerce.

Buying a DVD or tape, copying it and selling those copies IS a violation.

Two seperate scenarios.
One legal one not.


And so it goes.



TTD😎

 

[ronlasvegas]

Well one thing I do know,this has been quite an interesting thread. I rarely post, although lately I have put forth an effort. I will not speak negativly about anyone, this is just testimonial on TIB and the people at RT.Two months(close enough)ago, I had noticed they were offering a deal of three clips in one purchase which was really cool because I wanted three clips that nite.This offerwas great rather making a purchase download and then go back again do it all over again. I put the order in, and nothing no reply, nada .I just kept remembering the notice of "no refunds" I even talked to CCBill to no avail. LOng story short I ordered the 3 clips anyways seperately anyways and figured I would fight for the money in the a.m.Never happened. I explained the situation they were very helpful and courtesy.I had a credit of the money on my visa within two days.So thank you TIB and CO.You and your people tells me there are people out their who know what the two words, Customer Service mean,---Happy Customers------Repeat Business
Thanks Again
Ronnie😎

 

[tickler_n_black]

I explained the situation they were very helpful and courtesy.I had a credit of the money on my visa within two days.So thank you TIB and CO.You and your people tells me there are people out their who know what the two words, Customer Service mean,---Happy Customers------Repeat Business
Thanks Again
Ronnie😎

thanks much for the kind words ronlasvegas. sure beats being called a "greedy" "robbing" person who "peddles his shit" on the forum.

its true, we really do want to provide the best customer service possible. 😀

 

[Sciamster]

For TIB

I have to say, i am 100% for TIB's actions. I really must stick up for femfeet.com because i have purchased tons from them and they always are the greatest with customer relations. I have had a video lost in the mail, and without doubting me at all, they simply sent me another one. He runs his business in the most professional manner and i think it sucks that he's loosing business to a theif. Anyways, I'm on your side TIB, keep your business the same and i'll keep on buying.

 

[mabus]

I too have had excellent service from RealTickling. My only problem, which quickly became no problem, was that I got a blank tape. I sent a polite e-mail, which was answered within hours, and one or two days later I got a new tape. The tapes always came in very, very quickly. If I ordered a tape or DVD on Monday, it was in my mailbox before Friday. That's why I posted a thread to petition them to go back in business of selling VHS tapes and DVD's. It's a humble thread, but a not a humble request, because their videos were the best of the best. Enough people here are stating they love their customer service and videos, and the others don't seem to be paying customers, and that's basically that.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35423

And this will get some riled, but it's gotta be said, because it's true. TIB and Jeff and Bella and soon Tickle Television and Francois and all the other producers basically control the flow of the forum. That's why envy and jealousy are aimed at them. If I post a thread about wanting to tickle my teacher, or seeing someone tickle someone else in the mall, or wherever, that's all nice and good, and I don't look down on those threads, but come on. Unless you were there, all you can do is give them an internet high five. There's not a lot that can be added or said to those posts.

If TIB says he just released a new video, whoa, everybodies happier because it pertains to them - they can actually buy the video! Or they can request some other subject, or critique the video. TIB causes more ripples, and will be remembered longer than some guy or girl saying RealTickling's videos suck. I mean, name one person and their critique of the DVD "Cleaopatra and Ariane." No one knows, no one cares.

 

[Destro]

I'm a little late in this response because I don't come in to this site all that often. TIB asked why the tickling fetish community stands out in wanting so much for free. I do not think this is a trait that is exclusive to this community. It is a common trait for this society in general. Everyone wants as much as possible and not have to pay for it. You have to remember, that when this stuff first hit the internet, it was a bunch of people that were first discovering each other and everyone was there to share their interest with others. So a lot of stuff was just posted for all to see. Then, when people realized that there was a lot of interest and money to be made, more and more of the material was "pay only". After being able to get most of the material for free, they now have to pay and no one likes it. If you don't believe it, just look at fantasy league football. 2 years ago there was an unbelievable number of places you could go to join leagues and play for free. nfl.com was a classic example. Now, just about everywhere you go, is pay only. Why? Because they discovered that there was so much interest, there was a lot of money to be made. Conclusion: This is not unique to the tickling community.

 

[redway10]

Not only is TIB justified in saying that copying realtickling's stuff and selling it (or giving it away) is stealing, but I defy anyone to show a place where you can buy tickle vids (or clips) with women who are as beautiful as realtickling.

Well, I can think of one place, but the tickling is, um, almost always fake. Realtickling's reactions seem generally genuine.