Poltergeist Videos

[TonyInMyThroat]

As fun as it would be to seriously explore the world of paranormal phenomena, I think the quote below sums up the reality of the situation, and relegates it down to pure entertainment.

• "Paranormal phenomena have a habit of going away whenever they are tested under rigorous conditions. This is why the $1,000,000 reward of James Randi, offered to anyone who can demonstrate a paranormal effect under proper scientific controls, is safe." — Richard Dawkins

 

[ViperGTS]

As fun as it would be to seriously explore the world of paranormal phenomena, I think the quote below sums up the reality of the situation, and relegates it down to pure entertainment.

• "Paranormal phenomena have a habit of going away whenever they are tested under rigorous conditions. This is why the $1,000,000 reward of James Randi, offered to anyone who can demonstrate a paranormal effect under proper scientific controls, is safe." — Richard Dawkins

Spoken like a true skeptic.

The entities and beings that cause paranormal phenomena are not bound by the rules and laws of this world. One cannot expect a spirit to just kindof stand still and let us runs tests on it. Besides, who's to say that these spirits are even aware of our presence most of the time. Many believe that these "ghosts" may view us as supernatural phenomena within their own scope of reality.

 

[TonyInMyThroat]

Spoken like a true skeptic.

The entities and beings that cause paranormal phenomena are not bound by the rules and laws of this world. One cannot expect a spirit to just kindof stand still and let us runs tests on it. Besides, who's to say that these spirits are even aware of our presence most of the time. Many believe that these "ghosts" may view us as supernatural phenomena within their own scope of reality.

Believe me Viper, no one would like to take that $1 Million away from Mr. Randi more than I, but since the reality we live in defines the material world via scientific proof, this comes down mostly to faith.

If you can find a way to cross the two, let me know and I’ll be right there with you to share the reward.

 

[giggle-maker]

Okee-dokee

That car chase vid is serious stuff. Anyone care to give that one a try?

 

[Redmage]

Fair enough, however, something obstructing a light source that far away from where we can see the shadow would have cast a softer shadow and due to the angle, would have been much much larger, probably taking up half the room.

That depends on the size of the object. And the shadow wasn't sharp enough to be readily visible without enhancement.

Also, the shadow we see slides INTO the open closet door, not just past it. Either it's a hell of an optical illusion or this guy got something real on tape.

Once the "shadow" enters the darkened area, it vanishes. If the object casting it stops moving, it will not reappear.

Though to be honest, a barely-visible flicker of shadow on a video with uncertain lighting seems like sparse evidence of a paranormal entity in any case.

 

[ViperGTS]

That depends on the size of the object. And the shadow wasn't sharp enough to be readily visible without enhancement.

Just like the two little reflections aren't easily visible to you. I think you need to adjust your monitor, man.

Once the "shadow" enters the darkened area, it vanishes. If the object casting it stops moving, it will not reappear.

Though to be honest, a barely-visible flicker of shadow on a video with uncertain lighting seems like sparse evidence of a paranormal entity in any case.

Do you expect a "spirit" to walk up and shake your hand, and say "Hi, I am here to scare you"?

 

[..Glamorous..]

Do you expect a "spirit" to walk up and shake your hand, and say "Hi, I am here to scare you"?

LMFAO!

 

[..Glamorous..]

Okee-dokee

That car chase vid is serious stuff. Anyone care to give that one a try?

No kidding, I think I watched that like 10 times trying to figure that out!

 

[ViperGTS]

Actually, that one's not creepy - the cop wasn't paying attention and the camera didn't get what happened on video.

The car was out of the frame when it went between two poles you can see on the far left - the fence ends in one spot and starts again in another. There's no fence where the car went through.

I get the feeling that the police department found this video amusingly creepy and only decided to release it with certain information - it's called a cover up. 😛

 

[Saeria]

These are pretty damn creepy, edited or not. My only bit of skepticism has to be the door in the third one... sure the movement seemed jerky, but depending on the hinges of the door and how the return air system of his house is, it's easy for the closet access like this to open and close as the air cuts on and off. I went on an ac job where the guy claimed there was a ghost in his house because the door to his attic access opened and closed by itself. It was nothing more than a return issue. When I opened the dampers to his downstairs the door didn't move anymore.

 

[ViperGTS]

That's one hell of an AC that can turn a door handle like that. 😱

 

[Saeria]

i found it hard to tell the handle was being turned.. there was the sound of it being turned, but no possible way of telling if this was coming from said doorhandle

 

[Redmage]

Just like the two little reflections aren't easily visible to you. I think you need to adjust your monitor, man.

Or not. If it could be easily seen without enhancement, why enhance it?

Do you expect a "spirit" to walk up and shake your hand, and say "Hi, I am here to scare you"?

That'd be nice. More to the point, though, remarkable claims require remarkable evidence. I'm not going to be persuaded by a brief flicker on a video that could be explained by perfectly mundane means.

It's easy to say "Well, spirits don't see things like we do," or "they aren't bound by the laws of our world." You can say the same thing about Santa Claus. It's just excusing the paranormal from serious examination. And if it can't be examined seriously, then it really can't be taken seriously.

We can't explain away inconsistencies in the evidence just by saying that the paranormal can't be expected to follow natural laws, while at the same time claiming that that same evidence shows the paranormal interacting with physical things - casting shadows, moving objects, opening doors. It's no different from saying that Santa can fly all around the world because he has a magic sleigh and flying reindeer.

 

[ViperGTS]

Or not. If it could be easily seen without enhancement, why enhance it?

Because some people cannot see it very clearly the first time, due to miscalibrated monitors or perhaps failing eyesight.

I see it clear as day in both the enhanced and non-enhanced versions. The enhancement was a courtesy by the editor.

That'd be nice. More to the point, though, remarkable claims require remarkable evidence. I'm not going to be persuaded by a brief flicker on a video that could be explained by perfectly mundane means.

It's easy to say "Well, spirits don't see things like we do," or "they aren't bound by the laws of our world." You can say the same thing about Santa Claus. It's just excusing the paranormal from serious examination. And if it can't be examined seriously, then it really can't be taken seriously.

We can't explain away inconsistencies in the evidence just by saying that the paranormal can't be expected to follow natural laws, while at the same time claiming that that same evidence shows the paranormal interacting with physical things - casting shadows, moving objects, opening doors. It's no different from saying that Santa can fly all around the world because he has a magic sleigh and flying reindeer.

It's also no different than saying there's a God of any kind, but that's a topic for another thread.

You're a skeptic. I am as well, but I choose not to poo-poo things that don't make sense - I prefer to quest for the actual source of the anomalies, not to just say that anything could have caused it. I prefer facts and evidence, and I seek it. That's why on the friday of the new moon this month, I'll be found at a notoriously haunted location nearby where I live with multiple types of recording equipment, hoping to catch some kind of activity.

We'll never convince each other to see things dfifferently, but thank you for helping to keep our discussion intelligent and under control. That's what I like about you, RedMage.

 

[Redmage]

It's also no different than saying there's a God of any kind, but that's a topic for another thread.

That's right. God is the ultimate paranormal entity.

You're a skeptic. I am as well, but I choose not to poo-poo things that don't make sense - I prefer to quest for the actual source of the anomalies, not to just say that anything could have caused it.

The videos are all we have. However I don't simply "poo-poo things that don't make sense." I say, "based on the evidence we have, what is the most likely explanation?" Generally speaking that will be the one that requires the fewest assumptions and the least suspension of disbelief.

The paranormal is by definition fantastic. That means that it will very seldom be the most likely explanation for anything but the most exceptional evidence. A split-second flicker on a videotape with uncertain lighting isn't that sort of evidence. There are too many simpler and more likely explanations.

We'll never convince each other to see things dfifferently, but thank you for helping to keep our discussion intelligent and under control. That's what I like about you, RedMage.

One does one's humble best.

 

[ViperGTS]

The videos are all we have.

As I said, one week from tonight I will be at the Van Sandt bridge in Bucks County. Horse theives were hung there by the rafters for their crimes by vigilante justice seekers. I will be taking two digital cameras, a mini DV camcorder, and a digital voice recorder (if I pick that last one up at the store this week). Any and all video or audio evidence I find of suspected paranormal activity will be preserved in it's original, un-edited format.

I am not a paranormal fanatic. I believe what is proven to me, and anyone who knows me well enough on this forum will tell you exactly that. If I find nothing on my escapade, fine, I'll find nothing. However, anything I find that is out of the ordinary will be posted for review, and anyone will tell you that I have NO reason to hoax anything like this.

I will also be taking along with me two young ladies who have proven to me a certain sensitivity to the paranormal - I want to have a little backup, heh.

 

[Redmage]

I think you missed my point. You wrote that you like to look for the source of anomalies in evidence. In the case of these videos that's impossible. The videos themselves are all we have, and their inconsistencies have to be accepted as they are. One then has to consider the most likely explanations based on that evidence.

 

[falcon]

i'm sure these are actual videos, but i'm not falling for it again, bad!!!! LOL!!! you can tell alchemy about that if you want, so he understand what i'm talking about. i half expect to get rick roll'd, too!

 

[badreligion]

Just like the two little reflections aren't easily visible to you. I think you need to adjust your monitor, man.



Do you expect a "spirit" to walk up and shake your hand, and say "Hi, I am here to scare you"?

physical contact has been documented so its possible ive seen a video of a guy getting hit in the face with his own sound equipment

 

[giggle-maker]

I don't know what this is but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wsM51QGLIM&feature=related

if nothing else it's some killer editing.

 

[giggle-maker]

Found some more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBO75I2mRIQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE8mJ-tYfLA&NR=1

Most likely some excelent editing...but still kinda freaky.

 

[alchemy]

found another good one

check these out!

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[Saeria]

I need one of those.. I'd lose weight for sure then cause there ain't no way in HELL i'd be gettin' a midnight snack. Then again, we'd have to scrap. There's only one pantry monster allowed in my house.. me.

 

[chicago]

I didn't see anything in the first one, but the other two freaked me out a bit.

 

[Frowg]

My Issues.

My issues with these videos are all behavioral.

1: In the first video, you are taking video of your dogs, and then you set the camera down and leave it recording so you can let them out? No, I think probably 99% of people would turn it off, or just take it with them and leave it running, very rarely does one ever set a camera down, and leave it recording.

2: In the house, there are 2 bedrooms, with two beds that have been slept in. Where is the roomate in all of these videos?

3: In the last video, it seams his dogs are paying attention to something behind the camera, I'd say it's him. They even leave the frame for a bit, I think they are probably getting a treat.

Basically, scientific method dictates, that you can not have a proper experiment without proper conditions. Also anything that supposedly happened off camera, should be considered not to have happened. These videos have proved nothing beyond the notion that this gentleman's camera works fine; and his dogs are a bit peculiar sometimes.