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Prayer for Prayer's Sake?

Why do I feel that this is all somehow my fault...

Although considering Hawk's belief that he understands the science behind this discussion and Purple's take-no-prisoners approach, it was probably inevitable. I do, however, apologize Hawk for my previous post.
 
With this topic, conflict is inevitable. Despite this, we do allow these threads to crop up because we believe that most members can compose themselves in such a manner that keeps the conversation neutral.
 
Eh, it's my fault. I was especially moved by a scene in a silly movie, and should have perhaps given more thought to it before posting up the topic. In general, I try to stay away from political and religious discussions, as people that otherwise might get along fine can indeed wear on each others nerves. Especially these days.

All-in-all, I'd say that everybody comported themselves quite well, at least as compared to some places. You should see the topics on our local Craigslist "Rant & Rave" section! I'd never leave the house if I believed that most people felt the way those goobers do.
 
True. This conversation hasn't been too bad compared to other places. I'm just trying to cool the embers before they become flame. 😛
 
Wow... alright people, I'm happy to have a thread debating religion on the forum as long as you prevent it from turning into a volley of insults, which is where this thread is currently heading. If this thread continues being just an attack on each others beliefs then I may have to close the thread.

Purple, this warning is directed especially at you. Your responses were aimed to spite the other rather than to justify. I understand how you feel about this subject, being a fellow atheist and all, but even if we've already decided to believe that there isn't a God you should still keep an open mind towards the beliefs of others.

Remember the "Be Polite Rule" people.

Wow indeed. I took time out of my evening to write my post, and it is unabashedly unwelcome. Go ahead and close the thread, your disheartening response has eliminated any will I have to bother with it anymore. Of course, be sure to wait until The Hawk has a chance to shamelessly proselytize before you do, so that it makes him appear as if he actually had a point worth considering. :lol

Feel free to sweep my legs out from beneath me even further by deleting - or even rewriting my posts! I've already taken the liberty to screenshot -everything- for my personal amusement. At least I know I was right, if nobody else.
 
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I'm not saying I disagreed with what you said. Truth be told, I agree (almost) completely! But you could have gone about wording it in a way that didn't make it seem like you're targeting Hawk's beliefs. Expressing your opinion is one thing, insulting the people it's aimed at in the meantime is another.
 
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Funny that you mention lies in the scientific community and then bring up missionaries who do nothing but piss other countries off and force their culture on them.

Concerning my friends in the mission field that you insulted: If saving young ladies from being sold into prostitution and giving them a chance to live in freedom is "pissing on their culture", then give me a Foley catheter so I can join the pissing parade!

If teaching and rescuing orphans from the streets of poverty so they can learn a trade and contribute to their society is pissing on their culture, then let us piss away!

Insult me all you want. You travel down to Ecuador, Costa Rica, Haiti, Venezuela and other places where they are making positive impacts on the lives around them and TELL THEM TO THEIR FACES THEY ARE PISSING ON THE CULTURE AROUND THEM! Tell that to the local governments that seek their help. Tell that to the 15 year old girl in Ecuador that would be sold to be abused in some brothel that now has training to get a real job to earn money without selling her body.

Those people out there are heroes in my eyes. Some put their lives at risk just by being there. They will make a bigger impact on the world around them than you will in your ivory-tower astrophysics lab.

Hawk, you misquoted Purple, who said that missionaries "do nothing but piss other countries off and force their culture on them," which I found correct, in my experience having grown up in Third World countries. Personally I find the whole idea of sending missionaries to "convert" Third World folks like me from what one might call our heathenish ways to be condescending and neo-colonialist. Further, there was no need for your gratuitious insult to Purple Style or to astrophysicists in general.
 
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Insult me all you want. You travel down to Ecuador, Costa Rica, Haiti, Venezuela and other places where they are making positive impacts on the lives around them and TELL THEM TO THEIR FACES THEY ARE PISSING ON THE CULTURE AROUND THEM! Tell that to the local governments that seek their help. Tell that to the 15 year old girl in Ecuador that would be sold to be abused in some brothel that now has training to get a real job to earn money without selling her body.

This is a complicated issue. But I'm from Costa Rica and I have to say you appear to have a very warped vision of my country... And I think it's funny you mention the 15 year old girl case; because a few years back Costa Rica started to be advertised as a paradise for sexual predators as far as child prostitution and prostitution in general(and yes, your example was about Ecuador, but since you are throwing us all in the same lot up there then it is transferable, aside from the fact that my example shows the selective nature of your post), this of course caused a surge of people to come down in search of this paradise, and then, let's see, what happened? Oh yes, a bunch of people in jail an extradited... You can't tell me prostitution here is worse than in the US, it is not, you can't tell me child prostitution and child pornography rings don't exist in the US, so why use us as an example for... ANYTHING!

(as a fun fact, a local outrage came to pass when that sexual paradise belief made it's way into Cameron Diaz' film, "The Sweetest Thing", and a wide campaign was thrown to make tourists understand it was not the case, huge billboards with pictures of arrested people, nice scenery...)

To me it sounds like these missionaries are only trying to make themselves feel better by coming all the way here to do things they could be doing at home.

And I have met quite a few people who come here to work on various projects, plenty in a place called Monteverde, and those very much liked our "guaro" way more than they enjoyed their "charity" work, which was done as I already mentioned in Monteverde, which is a highly priced touristic site with PLENTY of multimillion dollar homes and hotels, nice site to pick... Also I met another few who were here for ophthalmology work, this ones I met because I also volunteered on their project, not on the ophthalmology part mind you, but for translation purposes, and they also enjoyed the "guaro" very much, but did a good job overall, these latter ones were not of religious foundation btw.

Either way, be it religious or not, this "missionaries" or "charity workers" more often than not do it for the trip more so than for the actual help.

I'm sorry, but I found your comment offensive and felt compelled to reply.


Wow indeed. I took time out of my evening to write my post, and it is unabashedly unwelcome. Go ahead and close the thread, your disheartening response has eliminated any will I have to bother with it anymore. Of course, be sure to wait until The Hawk has a chance to shamelessly proselytize before you do, so that it makes him appear as if he actually had a point worth considering. :lol

Feel free to sweep my legs out from beneath me even further by deleting - or even rewriting my posts! I've already taken the liberty to screenshot -everything- for my personal amusement. At least I know I was right, if nobody else.

That's not true, there are some of us that also know you are right.

I still don't know why the 2nd law of thermodynamics is used by people who want to deny evolution, for some reason they seem to think we are in some kind of closed environment, and that god is Maxwell's demon...

Of course as you already pointed out they always leave the sun out of the equation, because it basically messes up their argument. I don't think I can add anything better than what you already did, I'm not an astrophysicist 😛 so I won't get into that too much

But I do enjoy it very much and read and watch as much as I can from Sagan and watch Neil deGrasse's series and conferences, perhaps you can recommend something for me 😀


One more thing, just so you know, an female astrophysicist in a tickling forum.. :wub
 
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