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Pres. Obama Signs The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

Holly crap!!!!! $10 dollars for a pack. You must live in NYC or something. With tax thier like $6 here and its puttin me in the poor house. On the other hand I have become some what of a heavy smoker. usualy a pack will last 2- 2 1/2 days, but if I'm drinking all bets are off.
 
It was the prices that finally convinced me to lay the smokes down. Been almost a decade now, I think.
 
Be glad. What a fucked up town. Not to get of the smoking topic, but I gotta vent about this.Last year My buddy and I went there to see a sporting event. Now in chigago ridge,Ill All thier streets are #ed. Sounds simple right? They have for example 2st, 2ave, and 2 blvd. HERE is where the problem comes in 2st will run north and south the quickly change to east and west. same with every other street making it horribly confusing. also the streets will dead end into railroad tracks,bussiness's, and apartment buildings then pick up on the other side of them and sometimes be heading east and west when they were headind north and south.So then you gotta back track. FUCK CHICAGO RIDGE.
 
sorry for off topic but Chicago (in cook county) has like a 10.25% sales tax which is the highest in the country.

I'm not sure it's fair to tax smokes and stuff just because we need something to tax. Maybe if they said smoking was a luxury and luxuries need to be taxed more for the greater good, but the current logic doesn't work for me.

Part of my current job is selling cigarettes and booze. The only thing this act means for me is dealing with a lot more disgruntled customers.

*shrug*



"I don't have an addictive personality"
*Takes a huge toke from a cigar and takes a chug from a 40*

-Bender from Futurama
 
Hell yes they should tax smoking. They should go ahead and legalize marijuana and tax the hell out of that, too. That won't happen anytime soon, but a girl can dream... 😉
 
I would legalize marijuana for medical purposes but not for common use...it can be abused after all and it often leads to worth things like meth, crack, acid, etc, etc. I actually think alchohol is worse than marijuana...(aka it's abuse leads to more death and suffering I believe). As for smoking, I hate inconsiderate smokers (aka people who smoke around me and don't ask if they're being annoying) but think the government makes a killing of taxing it so I don't get why Obama is shooting himself in the foot. I dunno. Legalizing it may sound good and all but what happens when people get hurt because of it (like drunk drivers killing whole families)?
 
Marijuana is already legal for medical purposes in like 13 states.California and New Mexico being the biggest.Then Canada,Amsterdam and following as far as other countries go .Also Oaksterdam is another hot spot.On top of that California is now considering making it legal for recreational purposes but who knows how well that will work.Also a poll done on CNN shows that 95% of Americans want Marijuana legal so you never know what can happen at this point
 
The University of Philadelphia actually determined that it is not a "gateway" drug as most like to label it. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol, about as addictive as caffeine, and aside from causing lung issues, probably not even as bad as cigarettes because it doesn't have the amount of carcinogens and tar, I don't think it has many other health risks.

Some people abuse it, like they can abuse most anything, especially alcohol, and a lot use it to self-medicate mental problems, a lot like alcohol, but those people had problems before marijuana. Marijuana didn't cause them.
 
Seriously.

Legalize it. Let the tobacco conglomerates produce it. Let the govt tax it...and watch the economy soar again!

Well, at least there'd be a spike in snack food sales like never before seen, that much I'm sure of...
 
Sure, legalize a drug that can cause more risk to lung cancer (1 joint creates the same cancer risk as 4-5 cigarettes), I can sure use the business! :rolleyes

Sorry, there are enough drivers out there under the influence of legally (and illegally to minors) sold alcohol out there putting people at risk of death from a drunk driver-induced accident. So, you want to legalize another intoxicant so that more can die from these accidents? Don't tell me that they will be more responsible when it is legalized, for again we have all the drunk drivers out there showing how 'responsible' these adults are.

I need to find that research article from Penn, for every patient at the VA I have talked with or those I have met that overcame the drug habit all have the same thing in common: They started by drinking early and smoking pot. From my professional experience, I can argue against those findings.

The new tobacco law? Smoke and mirrors, like everything else the Obama-rama Traveling Political Salvation Show has produced so far. Doesn't matter if the FDA or FTC controls tobacco. Increase the price and it becomes an even more status symbol for teens (See, I'm so cool, I can afford to buy cigarettes...). All he's done is add more bureaucracy to the mix, added language to the bill that sounds great on a sound-bite, but, like everything else, it will just make matters worse.

Ten scariest words in American English: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you!"
 
Sure, legalize a drug that can cause more risk to lung cancer (1 joint creates the same cancer risk as 4-5 cigarettes), I can sure use the business! :rolleyes

Sorry, there are enough drivers out there under the influence of legally (and illegally to minors) sold alcohol out there putting people at risk of death from a drunk driver-induced accident. So, you want to legalize another intoxicant so that more can die from these accidents? Don't tell me that they will be more responsible when it is legalized, for again we have all the drunk drivers out there showing how 'responsible' these adults are.

I need to find that research article from Penn, for every patient at the VA I have talked with or those I have met that overcame the drug habit all have the same thing in common: They started by drinking early and smoking pot. From my professional experience, I can argue against those findings.

The new tobacco law? Smoke and mirrors, like everything else the Obama-rama Traveling Political Salvation Show has produced so far. Doesn't matter if the FDA or FTC controls tobacco. Increase the price and it becomes an even more status symbol for teens (See, I'm so cool, I can afford to buy cigarettes...). All he's done is add more bureaucracy to the mix, added language to the bill that sounds great on a sound-bite, but, like everything else, it will just make matters worse.

Ten scariest words in American English: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you!"



On the upside, we can keep packing our prisons full of otherwise nonviolent criminals and sit by and watch as people are casually murdered in a failed drug "war" that everyone, including rightwing demagogues like William F. Buckley(RIP) agree is a complete failure. :rolleyes
 
Sure, legalize a drug that can cause more risk to lung cancer (1 joint creates the same cancer risk as 4-5 cigarettes), I can sure use the business! :rolleyes

I can tell you've never heard of a vaporizer. As previous statements made by members have shown, people will continue to kill themselves however they like, whether it be abusing alcohol to the point of their liver going to hell, or driving drunk and crashing into things, or other people. Laws don't stop people from abusing drugs, otherwise there would be no failed drug war like Rick stated:

On the upside, we can keep packing our prisons full of otherwise nonviolent criminals and sit by and watch as people are casually murdered in a failed drug "war" that everyone, including rightwing demagogues like William F. Buckley(RIP) agree is a complete failure. :rolleyes

Hear, hear! Not only does it keep people out of jail, it kicks the legs out from underneath the drug dealers that only deal pot. Of course, some will turn to dealing harder drugs, but then some will not.

I not only propose legalizing and taxing marijuana sales, but also tax people who attempt to smuggle it into the country. This eliminates that aspect of smuggling, and turns it into importing. However, I'm not sure if I like the idea of tobacco companies being in control of the marijuana trade, because they can just turn around and put nicotine in it. But, if they grew inside the United States, that would create jobs. I'd have no problem with that. 🙂
 
On the upside, we can keep packing our prisons full of otherwise nonviolent criminals and sit by and watch as people are casually murdered in a failed drug "war" that everyone, including rightwing demagogues like William F. Buckley(RIP) agree is a complete failure. :rolleyes

Of course the "War on Drugs" was a failure. The whole concept was wrong. I can remember learning about drugs in science class in 7th grade. All it did was tell us what the drugs did. If sex ed had been taught the same way they would have had two of the teachers screwing each other in front of us. The attorneys cleaned up big time from defending drug lords. The cops were only able to nail the dealers they could catch, providing the American Criminal Liberties Union (ACLU) and others didn't get in the way.

Anyone with half a brain knows that to stop the supply, you have to lower or eliminate the demand. Give them reasons not to even want the stuff. Most either get started for 'kicks', peer pressure, and/or nothing else to do. Study after study has shown that kids that are involved in sports and other activities stay away from the stuff. If only they had used that mentality back then.

Get the parents involved in the kid's lives (provided they aren't stoned out of their gourds themselves...). Teach people to leave the 'loser's limp' behind and do something with their lives.

The main problem is people still idolize the drug culture of the 1960's-1970's, forgetting that had a direct effect on families and kids in the 70's and 80's. Now, the sad thing is that the same drug-culture groupies are now IN POWER IN DC! I see everyday the damage done by that same mindset. There is more I can say about that from a spiritually history aspect, but knowing how this place goes bananas if one uses the "J word", I'll pass on that, at least for now.

Summary: To win the war you have to fight the correct enemy. LBJ and the rest after him until Reagan missed the mark totally...
 
Of course the "War on Drugs" was a failure. The whole concept was wrong. I can remember learning about drugs in science class in 7th grade. All it did was tell us what the drugs did. If sex ed had been taught the same way they would have had two of the teachers screwing each other in front of us. The attorneys cleaned up big time from defending drug lords. The cops were only able to nail the dealers they could catch, providing the American Criminal Liberties Union (ACLU) and others didn't get in the way.

Anyone with half a brain knows that to stop the supply, you have to lower or eliminate the demand. Give them reasons not to even want the stuff. Most either get started for 'kicks', peer pressure, and/or nothing else to do. Study after study has shown that kids that are involved in sports and other activities stay away from the stuff. If only they had used that mentality back then.

Get the parents involved in the kid's lives (provided they aren't stoned out of their gourds themselves...). Teach people to leave the 'loser's limp' behind and do something with their lives.

The main problem is people still idolize the drug culture of the 1960's-1970's, forgetting that had a direct effect on families and kids in the 70's and 80's. Now, the sad thing is that the same drug-culture groupies are now IN POWER IN DC! I see everyday the damage done by that same mindset. There is more I can say about that from a spiritually history aspect, but knowing how this place goes bananas if one uses the "J word", I'll pass on that, at least for now.

Summary: To win the war you have to fight the correct enemy. LBJ and the rest after him until Reagan missed the mark totally...

not necessarily.Those same high school sports stars grow up to use steroids and one was already shown taking a hit from a water pipe.Just because they are involved in after school activities doesn't always prevent them from experimenting with drugs.All children go through the stage of being curious,needing to fit in and be a part of something as well as rebellion.There is no one solution every child is different.Parents just need to be able to sit and calmly talk to their children about drugs and the ill effects it can have on their health and if at all possible show them the future they could possibly have if they choose that lifestyle. It's not a good idea to threaten them with harsh punishment because that just makes them do it behind your back and be sneaky about it.Also just really try and be a part of your kids life and be a positive influence in their life.That's really all you can do.
 
Yeah, I was a big nerd in high school. Graduated top 25% of my class and was in so many after school activities, I don't think I can remember them all. I was curious to try alcohol and then weed. I prefer weed. That's just me. Doesn't interfere with my life.
 
I can tell you've never heard of a vaporizer. As previous statements made by members have shown, people will continue to kill themselves however they like, whether it be abusing alcohol to the point of their liver going to hell, or driving drunk and crashing into things, or other people. Laws don't stop people from abusing drugs, otherwise there would be no failed drug war like Rick stated:



Hear, hear! Not only does it keep people out of jail, it kicks the legs out from underneath the drug dealers that only deal pot. Of course, some will turn to dealing harder drugs, but then some will not.

I not only propose legalizing and taxing marijuana sales, but also tax people who attempt to smuggle it into the country. This eliminates that aspect of smuggling, and turns it into importing. However, I'm not sure if I like the idea of tobacco companies being in control of the marijuana trade, because they can just turn around and put nicotine in it. But, if they grew inside the United States, that would create jobs. I'd have no problem with that. 🙂

Sure, but why stop there???? Why stop at just pot? How about PCP, Herion, LSD, methaqualone, peyote, meth, cocaine, crack, and ice?

Yeah, that's the ticket. Legalize everything! Tax it all! Who cares if the population is stoned out of it's gourd, having hallucinations and flashbacks, killing people as they react to the hallucinations and LSD flashbacks. We'll all save on gas, because of all those stoners out on the road will make a wreck during a NASCAR race look like playing with Matchbox™ cars. Yeah, and all those taxes can go to more economic recovery, since people will be zoned out so much that they'll all be on disability, unable to work because their brains are more mush than even the 'aliens' on the Hulu commercials ever dreamed of! And, just think of all the business the children's hospitals will have, drying out infants left and right as they go through withdrawal after being born from stoned out mothers, let alone repairs the birth defects that the junk they can now get legally can cause. And,....

Absurd? Out in left field? Perhaps, but it illustrates my point (provided you are open minded enough to have read this far...which I doubt many will do!).

I am a registered pharmacist. I have FORGOTTEN more about drugs than most of you know. There is no such thing as a "safe' or 'harmless' drug. Pot or anything else in that category are not fun little toys to get high with. They are listed as Schedule I drugs, illegal to possess outside of a clinical trial or, in the case of pot, legalized medical use (which, if looked at from a legitimate, agenda-free examination, is not as big as the press portrays). They are 'controlled substances' for a reason. They are not as harmless as NORML and others try to portray it.

You have to draw the line somewhere. Marijuana has limited use as an appetite stimulant (its' best use), anti-nausea drug (not that great), and (some claim) pain control, although the clinical trials I've seen aren't that great for the last one.
 
Ah, the slippery slope mindset. It's how people believe legalizing gay marriage will lead to people marrying ducks.
 
Sure, but why stop there???? Why stop at just pot? How about PCP, Herion, LSD, methaqualone, peyote, meth, cocaine, crack, and ice?

Yeah, that's the ticket. Legalize everything! Tax it all! Who cares if the population is stoned out of it's gourd, having hallucinations and flashbacks, killing people as they react to the hallucinations and LSD flashbacks. We'll all save on gas, because of all those stoners out on the road will make a wreck during a NASCAR race look like playing with Matchbox™ cars. Yeah, and all those taxes can go to more economic recovery, since people will be zoned out so much that they'll all be on disability, unable to work because their brains are more mush than even the 'aliens' on the Hulu commercials ever dreamed of! And, just think of all the business the children's hospitals will have, drying out infants left and right as they go through withdrawal after being born from stoned out mothers, let alone repairs the birth defects that the junk they can now get legally can cause. And,....

Absurd? Out in left field? Perhaps, but it illustrates my point (provided you are open minded enough to have read this far...which I doubt many will do!).

I am a registered pharmacist. I have FORGOTTEN more about drugs than most of you know. There is no such thing as a "safe' or 'harmless' drug. Pot or anything else in that category are not fun little toys to get high with. They are listed as Schedule I drugs, illegal to possess outside of a clinical trial or, in the case of pot, legalized medical use (which, if looked at from a legitimate, agenda-free examination, is not as big as the press portrays). They are 'controlled substances' for a reason. They are not as harmless as NORML and others try to portray it.

You have to draw the line somewhere. Marijuana has limited use as an appetite stimulant (its' best use), anti-nausea drug (not that great), and (some claim) pain control, although the clinical trials I've seen aren't that great for the last one.

Well,legalizing the drugs themselves would be fine but if they do anything to harm anyone else while under the influence they should then have to deal with the consequences to their actions.Illegalizing drugs caused a lot of them to just go underground and is overpopulating prisons with drug addicts;and the thing about that is,is that a person who is addicted to drugs has a medical problem and will always be returning to prison for drug related offenses unless they find a way to get around the system and use the drugs secretly.Which most criminals become even more hardened behind bars anyway.
 
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if you pick up a pack of smokes, and don't know it's bad for you, smoking is the least of your problems.
 
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