Red Dragon

[Celtic_Emperor]

Here's the first picture of a red dragon I've ever drawn. 🙂

Its the first dragon I've ever drawn as well, and I'm looking forward to drawing more dragons of different types and allignments and of varying ages. 🙂

Drawn with a mechanical no. 2 pencil, and colored with prismacolor pencils. Minor PSP work.

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Artwork by and © Damien Jones

Here is a exerpt of a profile for red dragons (taken from a D&D monster manuel):

"Red dragons are the most covetous of all dragons, forever seeking to increase their treasure hoards. They are exceptionally vain, which is reflected in their proud bearing and disdainful expression.

Red dragons lair in large caves that extend deep into the earth. However, they always have a high perch nearby from which to hauntily survey their territory, which they consider to be everything in sight. Their high perch sometimes intrudes upon the territory of a silver dragon, and for this reason red dragons and silver dragons are often enemies.

Red dragons are meat-eaters by preferance, and their favorite food is a human or elven youth. Sometimes they charm villagers into regularly sacrificing maidens to them."

 

[CheshireCatNY]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.......that is nice....very nice....😀

 

[summer]

very nice artwork but what in the world does any of this stuff have to do with tickling?

 

[scavenger]

Great artwork Vladislaus! Dragons are amongst my favourite mythological animals.
🙂

 

[AphxA1]

hotness!!!

 

[CheshireCatNY]

very nice artwork but what in the world does any of this stuff have to do with tickling?

Hellooooo? This is the NON-TICKLING Image Section? 😛

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Hellooooo? This is the NON-TICKLING Image Section? 😛

Which is exactly why I keep stressing that we NEED a NON-TICKLING/NON FETISH artwork section! This type of artwork doesn't belong here. Everyone will agree on that, and yet it does not have a proper place to go. And having a non-tickling section isn't enough, since obviously regular artwork wasn't factored into when the forum was created.

And because I am no longer the only person who posts non-tickling AND non fetish related artwork (that means no feet or bondage or whatever) I think its COMPLETELY warranted that such a subforum or stickey exists for it. I don't think its fair that stuff like this gets bumped down so quickly by the sea of fetish material that it doesn't even have a fair chance starting off.

This is like the third time I've made mention and the second time I've brought it up to the moderators for review.

I'd appriciate it if anyone who feels as I do, and I know who you are, would say so too, and perhaps create your own threads asking for such a section.

Thank you for listening people.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

@ Cheshire Cat- Thanks man. Though I did use a reference picture this time (as I wanted to draw a D&D style dragon as my first dragon as accurately as I could).

@ summer- Thank you. 🙂

@ scavenger- Thank you. Yeah, they're really awesome. 🙂

@ Aphxa- Thanks. 🙂

 

[Kalamos]

A specialty forum for non-fetish art? Interesting idea.
People keep telling me to advertise my fantasy pics more, and I'd have a suitable place to showcase my pieces.

I could even help and moderate it. The rpg's main background is almost complete. My colleague is doing the narration, so I'd be free to help people around, without imposing myself.

Good proposal. Keep it up.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Well, since this is my idea and I've been the one supporting it primarily, if it did happen and current mods had no desire to moderate it, I'd be the most logical and deserving choice I think. I don't see how that would be necessary however (or that such a forum would have to be moderated save for the trolls giving nasty comments), since the staff may not mind having to watch over another forum alltogether. Modship is a secondary issue to actually having the forum or what have you.

As for keeping this up, theres not much to do except mention it when it would apply in instances like this. It seems things aren't getting done without TT here. I know he would have approved this immediately.

We need this forum. Thats no longer just an opinion of mine, but more of a given nowadays with the increase in personal art being shared. It should have been here already knowing full well we have resident artists (and up and coming ones) whom have any type of artwork other than tickling or fetish to share and that there are people who enjoy it as well, despite the fact this site is what it is.

I feel that if such work was promoted and encouraged eventually more people would feel more comfortable sharing such work, and the overall site could only benefit from it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I'm well aware of how and why people come here. I'm in no way suggesting or underminding the fact that this site is what it is. I can understand your perspective and realize alot of people, perhaps the majority come here only for one thing- a fix for their fetish. And thats ok.

I come here for a completely different reason- for the community. It is not unwise, unrelated, or untrue to say that theres a split on this forum. Those coming here only for the material and those coming here for the community.

I'm sure you think you have me all figured out by alot of the cheap shots you have delivered. I have to admit, it almost offended me, but not quite, since the majority of what you're saying, in regards to me, would require you know how I think or feel in order to make those opinions based on instances you've evaluated valid truths. They are your opinions and you are intitled to them and I'm sure many share them and many don't. And I do not penalize you for feeling that way.

I am an artist and so am technical in the regards you are mocking with what I do as much as I would be on an actual art site. It just comes with the territory, or in this case, comes with the person coming from elsewhere. Its just the way I've been conditioned over time. Alot of people ask me how I draw my pictures, what methods I use, etc, ask for tutorials so I've just made it standard practice to post what had been used for any given picture. If that annoys you because it makes you think I'm arrogant or whatever its not my fault, nor is it my fault you are disturbed, angsty or disgusted with me or my art. You have the choice of not having anything to do with either.

The proposal of said subforum isn't something you need to feel threatened by or worried about. Because you seem to want to display yourself as indifferent, I don't see why you care. There are those that DO however, and their numbers grow.

What I want for the site is a good thing. If it somehow underminded it or took it "off topic", that would be one thing, but it never would and you know it.

What I said and have said is a proposal from an artist in regards to the ART portion of this site. I am not out of line in saying so. This site is much more multi-faceted than people like you give it credit for. Its the same here, its the same on the TMF, or anywhere for that matter.

How many times have we seen people complain in fear that if we add anything else it will make this site (whichever that is) something it's not, only to have such sites either have a general discussions forum by default, and other such forums and divisions that just as easily come to make the site what it is just as much as the overall theme and subject matter?

Indeed, there are users and lurkers and those that take the site for simple face value. And there are those who are in it for the community, or come here seeing the community as an added bonus. The community is not a theme in and of itself or something to be bartered with or lost because I suggest something, its a group of people. So I don't know why you'd be put off by that. Art is and continues to be a big thing on alot of sites, and its true here as well. And art is a part of the community of people that would enjoy it just as much as it is themed art feeding the overall tickling machine.

 

[nessonite1]

hmmmm...
I dont think the audience for completely vanilla art on this site is very big. A seperate forum would keep it from getting bumped down so quickly but I don't know how many people would point their browsers to it just to look around where they know they'll find zero fetish-related material.
I also don't know if the admin wants to head in that direction. The site's intention is to be fetish material driven and maybe "public art gallery" isn't one of his goals. I'm pretty sure this is the first I've heard this idea so I'll mention it to him. I'm sorta indifferent to the idea myself as pretty much anyone who produces vanilla art has his/her own forum already (or has had one offered...KALAMOS) 😛
Regardinf what K said on the last page...Im positive a forum being opened for vanilla art wouldn't need it's own moderator. There would surely not be any extra work added except to rerout stuff over there from the non-tk image forum.

Oh wait...there's a piccy here too. I DO like it but am having trouble looking past the lower jaw. Would you mind sharing whatever you used for reference, Vlad? I'm not too up on fantasy creatures but I'm not sure Ive seen one with such a pronounced jaw. It's cool to see the progression from sketch to finished.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

They wouldn't be pointing around looking at said forum when they knew it wasn't going to give them what they wanted to see. The forum would be there simply for those that would enjoy it and would want to share or continue to share their non-fetish work.

If they wanted to avoid said forum they could. Its not as if its a misleading subtitle. They wouldn't be going there unless they wanted to. How many hits or how many threads said forum would recieve isn't as important as the principle that artists and potentially sharing artists should be encouraged to share all facets of their art if they are so willing and prepared to. Thats a prospect, thinking in the long run, thats well worth keeping an eye on if not down-right commiting to.

And if it doesn't pan out, then it doesn't pan out. Its not like theres any money involved or you're betting on a pony. LOL 😛

And I believe I'm the one that said such forum wouldn't need a moderator necessarily, K didn't say that. Unless he editted a post or that was a typo on your part.

This was a notion from a community perspective, not one forwarding this site commericially like its some business. It was something that would be nice, not vital for the site to exist, which is not what I was suggesting either. It was more about accomidating would-be artists and making them comfortable. But again, thats a community thought, not a commericial one.

But again, what are selling here exactly that having this forum would ruin everything? 😛

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Oh wait...there's a piccy here too. I DO like it but am having trouble looking past the lower jaw. Would you mind sharing whatever you used for reference, Vlad? I'm not too up on fantasy creatures but I'm not sure Ive seen one with such a pronounced jaw. It's cool to see the progression from sketch to finished.

Yeah, theres a piccy here too. Dragons have big jaws Ness. Think of a T-Rex, its the same principle. Without wide jaws they wouldn't be able to devourer alot of the prey they hunt, when and if they do.

As for the reference picture, I could post it but I'd have to scan it first. Its not really important though, since this picture is the same as the reference, just with the given, random differences that come along with freestyling it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

You're the one that injected yourself into this, you're the one that needs to relax, and be a little more polite at that. Yes, I am blunt too, but I'm mature about it and responsible. You could have a little more tact. If you could, I'd appriciate it. 🙂

As for refreshing 100 times per minute, I'm not sure what you're talking about. All the views any of mine or anyone's threads get are due to traffic from other people mostly.

Yes, you are correct in acknowledgeing that you shouldn't be coming after me just because I represent a larger element, that being the art aspect of this community. Its too little too late to be thinking of your mistakes right now though. You've already said what you said and you can't take it back now.

I didn't say you were a troll for being a "window shopper". I see now that I've hit a nerve, specfically this one. Well, thats not what I meant. I know very well alot of my fans or fans of art are exactly that- window shoppers. For whatever reasons, known only to them, they are silent. I like to stress there is a difference between them however and people that take the facilities, options, and kindly atmosphere (the community) for granted.

They wouldn't be trolls either. You seem focused on the word "troll". Do you feel like a troll, nerrad, or that you've trolled me? You seem like you don't know what you've done or how you feel. LOL

Maybe you are just hungry and bitchy. I've gotten these types of responses before from well-meaning people whom just looked at my work or me on that bad day or whatever, and they just vented it on me because it was easier than finding a random person. In a way, its a compliment that people would choose me. Its like implying that I'm prepared, able, or strong enough to help them, hear them, or pay attention to them, however coarse they may come off at first.

Of course I'll keep doing what what I'm doing. Its my way. I'm much too determined to stop because other people want me to, for whatever reason.

Finally, you said the best thing you've said so far in your last sentence-

"Besides, we have to live together here..."

Thats something I've always known. And its always been my hope that I would be able to accept other people just as I would hope they'd accept me here. And so far I can't say its ever been a problem. And because of that, of course I take no offense to you.

 

[nessonite1]

I stop by, look around and split. I don't consider window shopping "trolling".

I think you may have trolling mixed up with lurking.

And I believe I'm the one that said such forum wouldn't need a moderator necessarily, K didn't say that. Unless he editted a post or that was a typo on your part.

Sorry...When I said "Im positive a forum being opened for vanilla art wouldn't need it's own moderator. " I was replying to K's post here:

I could even help and moderate it. The rpg's main background is almost complete. My colleague is doing the narration, so I'd be free to help people around, without imposing myself.

And if it doesn't pan out, then it doesn't pan out. Its not like theres any money involved or you're betting on a pony. LOL

The only money involved (and thusly the only reason I could see the admin opposing to the idea) is the increase in posting of vanilla art and the subsequent downloading of images but I imagine it wouldnt be in such a quantity that it would really affect anything.
Basically it couldn't hurt all that much to try it out. At least people looking for fetish stuff would know where NOT to look and people could have a place to browse around for non-fetish stuff by their favorite artists and such.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

And thats all I've ever suggested, that we try it out.

If it fails and bombs then theres no loss to anyone. Its definitely a good opportunity to take advantage of, and I think the mere value of such a thing merits further review, whether public or private. I also realize I'm bias, but this has nothing to do with me (as I have my own forum and don't personally lose), but actually everyone else who would come to be involved over time. But because "everyone else" at this point is just an unspoken tangent that can't be gauged even by polls or responses, I can understand how others not so keen on the idea would feel.

I suppose my problem is in thinking too far ahead or attempting to. But as you yourself admit, it wouldn't hurt or change this site in any way, directly or indirectly, that it would be a change of pace, style, or activity. The reality of it is, as you already know it, is that this site is a fetish site, and that aspect will always overshadow and dominate as a theme, as it it should. Most people would come here for that, and thats what they should expect to see.

I'm also saying however, that just because that is so doens't mean its not worth a try. No one will be angry or upset if it fails, its in not trying it out at all thats unsavory, especially because of the above reason or because of whatever pressure there is or would be thats contrary to the idea.

Also, like you mention at the end, people who like the current artists would most likely like their regular work too. In fact, this is already true for you and for me, and several of our newcomers who have posted some, but a scant too few non-tickling, non-fetish pictures.

By not doing this, I feel we are cheating people out of the full experience and not encouraging artists to post in full and share their talent (which they probably want to do but feel pressured or embarassed against doing so). As for the viewers, this would be just one of the many choices which they would ideally have and they have the complete choice of whether or not to have it. If they want just the fetish stuff, then they're going to get it. But if they want something more, a break, a rest from the fetish stuff, then it will be available to them. A nice refreshment. Who amongst us can honestly say that tickling is the only thing we're interested in? And why SHOULD we have to go elsewhere when we could get that extra slice here too?

 

[Kalamos]

Ah, yes. The personal galleries.
So, artists are meant to post their non-fetish pics *inside* their own personal galleries.
And people looking for non-fetish art should look *inside* those personal galleries.

...

This makes sense...
Oh well, guess we don't need new forums and mods then. 🙂

 

[Wade1]

I DO like it but am having trouble looking past the lower jaw. Would you mind sharing whatever you used for reference, Vlad? I'm not too up on fantasy creatures but I'm not sure Ive seen one with such a pronounced jaw.

The dragon does have a little bit of a Jay Leno vibe...

 

[scavenger]

Hey Vlad,

I have followed this thread and though I do not have an opinion myself wether or not there should be a non-fetish section here I want to say that I myself appreciate the information on what material you use for your artwork very much. As an artist, I know how important it is to learn from others.
And being it fetish art or not, I like your drawings. 🙂

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Ah, yes. The personal galleries.
So, artists are meant to post their non-fetish pics *inside* their own personal galleries.
And people looking for non-fetish art should look *inside* those personal galleries.

...

This makes sense...
Oh well, guess we don't need new forums and mods then. 🙂

Just in case theres ANY confusion still, I didn't mean that this new subforum would have a gallery for each of our artists necessarily. Thats too much work and clutter when you can just go to their gallery (if they have one like you mentioned) to see all their work.

The whole point, the only point actually, of this subforum for non-tickling/non-fetish work is that it is seperated from this forum. Both sides win this way. The artists wouldn't have their work misplaced or bumped down prematurely, and people wanting nothing to do with "regular" artwork won't have to.

Although, it would be more incentive if ALL non-tickling work was posted in this subforum, even if its just bondage or barefeet or what have you. If people wanted to see artwork AT ALL, there would be an individual place for it.

As it stands, everything is unorganized in this one forum. Theres art mixed with photos mixed with screen captures, mixed with other misc. images and everything tends to outweigh and bump down art either way. While they all share the theme of "image" I think because its so ambiguous at first (unless you're willing to commit to use the search function) people may not find what they're looking for among a sea of unrelated material.

Rethinking this, ALL artwork should be put in ONE place (in addition to having your own forum for the sake of creating an archive, if you have one).

Rather than having a "tickling artwork forum" and then having this one for non-tickling and thus forcing people to jump to two completely different forums for art, it would simply be "artwork forum" with three subforums for each type of art: Tickling art, non-tickling art, and non-fetish art.

If this isn't desirable, then we could just make one forum and then make it manditory for artists to properly label their thread titles. "f/f" if its tickling for example, "non-tk" for work that may still be fetish work but does not have tickling (yet, such as anticipation pictures), and no additional labeling if its a "regular" picture.

Cute Summer Day- F/F

Cute Summer Day- non-tk

Cute Summer Day

Like that.

Which way we go doesn't matter as much, I think, as much as it matters that we share all artwork in the same area so as to make artwork it's own focus, utility and arena. I don't think non-tickling work ever had a place with "my wife's feet" and " nylon legs" threads in the first place. Whether its fetish or not I see art getting bumped down in favor of the photo-realistic or downright real photos of real people.

Its a completely different medium, even if it is similar in theme, and so it should be directed differently, I think.

This appeases both sides and with the two mediums being seperated from one another, no one can claim to be lost or looking at material they didn't want to, or whatever.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Hey Vlad,

I have followed this thread and though I do not have an opinion myself wether or not there should be a non-fetish section here I want to say that I myself appreciate the information on what material you use for your artwork very much. As an artist, I know how important it is to learn from others.
And being it fetish art or not, I like your drawings. 🙂

Thank you. I really appriciate that. 🙂

You're an artist, you know what I'm talking about when I say curious people (mostly on sites dedicated to art) always inquire how you did it, what medium you used, what programs, if any, did you use, how much time did it take to complete, etc.

These are questions artists like you and me get all the time and then some. Although other people who do not see this transpiring may think we're being needlessly technical, anal, or what have you and it puts them off.

I label each of my pictures with the methods I used so that people are saved the trouble and don't have to ask (even if it may be obvious what methods I used, since some people have thought I've used different lead art pencils when really I just use regular old mechanical no.2 pencils to my advantage which often misleads them to thinking that I used something else). This just became a habit, even when people aren't asking. And I think its a good habit either way, and as you said, it allows you to learn from other artists. 🙂

And again, thank you. I'm glad to have won your acclaim. I don't know why you didn't join and share your work a long time ago! You're easily one of the best artists I've seen lately that uses the mediums you use. 🙂

 

[nessonite1]

As I see it there are too many possible subcategories to reorganize them without a great deal of thought put into it. We'll have to discuss it some before deciding anything and, of course, the admin needs to agree with anything we come up with.

*totters off to ponder things*

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Naturally of course. There is the second option I listed, just having one artwork forum where all art goes and just enforcing more strongly (out of necessity of course) the proper use of thread labeling. Theres nothing time consuming or cumbersome about that at all. Its really just a point and click thing. If I had access to the admin. options I could do it right now in like, 10 minutes or less. But alas I do not, and apparently neither does anyone else. Its something only he can do, which has handicapped the staff to a degree.

I would hope that this is simply not forgotten over time and that its brought to his attention if he ever shows himself again.

 

[MistressValerie1]

I agree with Vlad about the problems of grouping non-tk art with celebrity feet pics and screencaps. I would favour the conversion of Tk Art into an all-art forum, though we know how hard it is to get people to label their material, lol. We could leave The Gallery and Non-Tk Images for photos only.