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Safewords

torturoustickle

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Does anyone NOT use a safeword during tickling sessions. Personally when I'm the Lee I can't due to being hyper ticklish. 😱
I'm happy to use a pre negotiated safe time instead. I also have a couple of Lee's who regularly do the same. It gives the experience of not able to stop it, unbridled, tickle torture.
Just curious, does anyone else do the same?
 
Non-con and no-safeword scenarios are the best!

...

in our minds. In reality, I would want to be tickled only by certain people, and there are situations where I really need the tickling to end, or at least to pause.

My husband tickles my all the time without explicit consent and without safeword. He also knows when I really don't want to be tickled, as he knows me well. The closest I ever came to being tickled without a safe word was early in my tickle career, when the tickled and I agreed that I would get tickled for 5 times 2 minutes with 30 seconds break in between. At that time it felt almost like dying, and I really begged the guy to not do the fifth period of 2 minutes.Luckily he ignored my begging. Not sure how much time I could do as of tday, with much more ler and lee experience under my belt.
 
Yes, that's me! I can appreciate most forms of tickling, but high intensity is my favorite. But like you said, I too can be very ticklish and so a safe word really gets between me and my ability to reach that level. I've only played with a safe word a couple of times, but many, many without one. Knowing who I'm playing with and trusting them makes all the difference. For all the good lers out there, there are those that are irresponsible, selfish, or even malicious and unfeeling, which may be the highlight of a lot of fantasies, but not something to seek for real life. But when I find one that is trustworthy, sweet, and caring, but who just happens to love being cruel with tickling, it's perfect.

That being said, I can also be a hypocrite with this and strongly encourage the lee to have a safe word or other safety measure such as the pre-determined duration. If I get more comfortable with them after a few sessions, that may change if they are interested in no-safeword tickling. I think very ticklish people (or unexperienced people who don't know how ticklish they are) should be very cautious with this even if they trust the ler fully, as tickling can be so much more brutal than some might think. Unfortunately, I've come across some sad stories of bad experiences with this. And for my lee side, I completely understand and respect lers who do not want to play without their lee having a safe word. I've been told before that it was easier to play with me that way because my wife acts as a reassurance that my reactions are not unusual, and that the ler may not have gone that far without that extra sense of safety.

So for me, with the right person, and under the right conditions, it can be unforgiving torturous bliss.
 
Non-con and no-safeword scenarios are the best!

...

in our minds. In reality, I would want to be tickled only by certain people, and there are situations where I really need the tickling to end, or at least to pause.

My husband tickles my all the time without explicit consent and without safeword. He also knows when I really don't want to be tickled, as he knows me well. The closest I ever came to being tickled without a safe word was early in my tickle career, when the tickled and I agreed that I would get tickled for 5 times 2 minutes with 30 seconds break in between. At that time it felt almost like dying, and I really begged the guy to not do the fifth period of 2 minutes.Luckily he ignored my begging. Not sure how much time I could do as of tday, with much more ler and lee experience under my belt.
I should have said at the start that
Non-con and no-safeword scenarios are the best!

...

in our minds. In reality, I would want to be tickled only by certain people, and there are situations where I really need the tickling to end, or at least to pause.

My husband tickles my all the time without explicit consent and without safeword. He also knows when I really don't want to be tickled, as he knows me well. The closest I ever came to being tickled without a safe word was early in my tickle career, when the tickled and I agreed that I would get tickled for 5 times 2 minutes with 30 seconds break in between. At that time it felt almost like dying, and I really begged the guy to not do the fifth period of 2 minutes.Luckily he ignored my begging. Not sure how much time I could do as of tday, with much more ler and lee experience under my belt.
I should have mentioned at the start that I don't tickle without a safeword to perfect strangers. It's only with someone who I've tickled before, or someone who I know really well and is totally on board with it.
This gives a reassurance of trust that although their is no safeword, there is an end point.
It's actually quite a fine line to tread. To give that "OMG I'm gonna die" no safeword type of tickling, that is the source of so many fantasy's. But to do it in a safe manner. The two don't seem to go together.
Your 5 x 2min is a perfect example.
2 mins doesn't sound like a long time, but to the very ticklish it can seem like an eternity. Lol
The breaks in between, though helping with physical recovery, can often actually increase the anticipation as you await the next session to start. I do a similar thing in where I give breaks, but use them to remind my Lee that it is not finished, and when it starts again I'm going to concentrate on their most ticklish spots. Hence bringing them to a point of hysteria without actually touching them!
A good tickling sessions can leave a Lee exhausted both mentally and physically. Again something that often requested, but takes a lot of planning to achieve.
 
Yes, that's me! I can appreciate most forms of tickling, but high intensity is my favorite. But like you said, I too can be very ticklish and so a safe word really gets between me and my ability to reach that level. I've only played with a safe word a couple of times, but many, many without one. Knowing who I'm playing with and trusting them makes all the difference. For all the good lers out there, there are those that are irresponsible, selfish, or even malicious and unfeeling, which may be the highlight of a lot of fantasies, but not something to seek for real life. But when I find one that is trustworthy, sweet, and caring, but who just happens to love being cruel with tickling, it's perfect.

That being said, I can also be a hypocrite with this and strongly encourage the lee to have a safe word or other safety measure such as the pre-determined duration. If I get more comfortable with them after a few sessions, that may change if they are interested in no-safeword tickling. I think very ticklish people (or unexperienced people who don't know how ticklish they are) should be very cautious with this even if they trust the ler fully, as tickling can be so much more brutal than some might think. Unfortunately, I've come across some sad stories of bad experiences with this. And for my lee side, I completely understand and respect lers who do not want to play without their lee having a safe word. I've been told before that it was easier to play with me that way because my wife acts as a reassurance that my reactions are not unusual, and that the ler may not have gone that far without that extra sense of safety.

So for me, with the right person, and under the right conditions, it can be unforgiving torturous bliss.
When playing without a safeword, I always use what I call a safe time. Thus giving my Lee the knowledge that it won't go on forever, even though they can't stop it at the time.
I agree that it is very difficult to tickle extremely ticklish people who often request no holds bared tickling with a safeword, and I'm one of them! Lol
The tickling sensation gets overwhelming and you can't help but submit. Part of that submission means safewording. Take that safeword away and you can prolong the ticklish agony. Quite often what is requested and a common fantasy. But not achievable if you can stop it.
The other thing that is important to understand is how psychological tickling is. Just being tied up, helpless, and without a safeword, is enough to increase anticipation and have a Lee laughing and giggling before the tickling even starts.
This is a favourite tool of mine. During breaks I mercilessly verbally tease my Lee. Threatening evil tickling of their worst areas, no mercy, and giving false hopes. I love to whip them into a frenzy without even touching them. 😈
All this being said, safety is always of the utmost importance. And if a Lee prefers a safeword than a safeword it is.
I'm merely pointing out that there are no safeword alternatives, that can suit when requested.
 
I should have said at the start that
I should have mentioned at the start that I don't tickle without a safeword to perfect strangers. It's only with someone who I've tickled before, or someone who I know really well and is totally on board with it.
This gives a reassurance of trust that although their is no safeword, there is an end point.
It's actually quite a fine line to tread. To give that "OMG I'm gonna die" no safeword type of tickling, that is the source of so many fantasy's. But to do it in a safe manner. The two don't seem to go together.
Your 5 x 2min is a perfect example.
2 mins doesn't sound like a long time, but to the very ticklish it can seem like an eternity. Lol
The breaks in between, though helping with physical recovery, can often actually increase the anticipation as you await the next session to start. I do a similar thing in where I give breaks, but use them to remind my Lee that it is not finished, and when it starts again I'm going to concentrate on their most ticklish spots. Hence bringing them to a point of hysteria without actually touching them!
A good tickling sessions can leave a Lee exhausted both mentally and physically. Again something that often requested, but takes a lot of planning to achieve.
You are correct about the mental and physical exhaustion of the Lee. I know some Lee's who desire what they consider a 'safe' but helpless feeling of insanity from being bound and tickled mercilessly! And yes a careful, thoughtful, and perceptive Ler can help deliver that experience safely for their play partner!
 
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How long do you usually give them?
When it comes to the time limit I always start off low. A lot of Lee's can totally underestimate just how ticklish they are, especially when tied, helpless, and unable to stop the tickling. 10 minutes is an average starting point, with breaks.
Once over the initial shock, lol, a lot go for gradual increases going up to 30 minutes. All of my Lee's have been extremely ticklish and 30 minutes leaves them physically and mentally exhausted. Aftercare is a large part of my session, ensuring my Lee gets to spend as long as they like recovering. A lot have pre negotiated special requests for this.
I have never gone beyond 1hr. I don't feel comfortable leaving a Lee in strict bondage which is often necessary, for too long a period, regardless of the request. Issues such ad cramping and circulation must be taken into account.
 
Yes, that's me! I can appreciate most forms of tickling, but high intensity is my favorite. But like you said, I too can be very ticklish and so a safe word really gets between me and my ability to reach that level. I've only played with a safe word a couple of times, but many, many without one. Knowing who I'm playing with and trusting them makes all the difference. For all the good lers out there, there are those that are irresponsible, selfish, or even malicious and unfeeling, which may be the highlight of a lot of fantasies, but not something to seek for real life. But when I find one that is trustworthy, sweet, and caring, but who just happens to love being cruel with tickling, it's perfect.

That being said, I can also be a hypocrite with this and strongly encourage the lee to have a safe word or other safety measure such as the pre-determined duration. If I get more comfortable with them after a few sessions, that may change if they are interested in no-safeword tickling. I think very ticklish people (or unexperienced people who don't know how ticklish they are) should be very cautious with this even if they trust the ler fully, as tickling can be so much more brutal than some might think. Unfortunately, I've come across some sad stories of bad experiences with this. And for my lee side, I completely understand and respect lers who do not want to play without their lee having a safe word. I've been told before that it was easier to play with me that way because my wife acts as a reassurance that my reactions are not unusual, and that the ler may not have gone that far without that extra sense of safety.

So for me, with the right person, and under the right conditions, it can be unforgiving torturous bliss.
I LOVE that phrase of "unforgiving torturous bliss"....It is so incredibly accurate and appropriate for the mutually consenting Ler and Lee....
 
You are correct about the mental and physical exhaustion of the Lee. I know some Lee's who desire what they consider a 'safe' but helpless feeling of insanity from being bound and tickled mercilessly! And yes a careful, thoughtful, and perceptive Ler can help deliver that experience safely for their play partner!
You cannot deny the psychological aspect of tickling. "Driven mad", "going crazy", and "tickled to insanity" are very common phrases that are used to describe, and are quite often requested, during intense bouts of tickling.
And most of this can be achieved with very little effort from the Ler. Light to moderate prodding, poking, scrabbling and scratching is enough to drive most ticklish Lee's apoplectic.
It is very easy for a Ler to get carried away and for things to go wrong
I therefore spend a lot of time in the planning phase to ensure a wonderful and fulfilling time for all.
 
The other thing that is important to understand is how psychological tickling is. Just being tied up, helpless, and without a safeword, is enough to increase anticipation and have a Lee laughing and giggling before the tickling even starts.
This is a favourite tool of mine. During breaks I mercilessly verbally tease my Lee. Threatening evil tickling of their worst areas, no mercy, and giving false hopes. I love to whip them into a frenzy without even touching them. 😈

Ouff, wow. I have two questions:

1. Do you tickle guys?
2. When's your next trip to Germany?

;-)
 
When playing without a safeword, I always use what I call a safe time. Thus giving my Lee the knowledge that it won't go on forever, even though they can't stop it at the time.
I agree that it is very difficult to tickle extremely ticklish people who often request no holds bared tickling with a safeword, and I'm one of them! Lol
The tickling sensation gets overwhelming and you can't help but submit. Part of that submission means safewording. Take that safeword away and you can prolong the ticklish agony. Quite often what is requested and a common fantasy. But not achievable if you can stop it.
The other thing that is important to understand is how psychological tickling is. Just being tied up, helpless, and without a safeword, is enough to increase anticipation and have a Lee laughing and giggling before the tickling even starts.
This is a favourite tool of mine. During breaks I mercilessly verbally tease my Lee. Threatening evil tickling of their worst areas, no mercy, and giving false hopes. I love to whip them into a frenzy without even touching them. 😈
All this being said, safety is always of the utmost importance. And if a Lee prefers a safeword than a safeword it is.
I'm merely pointing out that there are no safeword alternatives, that can suit when requested.
Definitely! Yeah, I like the timed idea, but have used it a lot less. Truly though, nothing makes you more aware of how long a minute actually is! And I agree, playing with anticipation is one of my favorite things!

I LOVE that phrase of "unforgiving torturous bliss"....It is so incredibly accurate and appropriate for the mutually consenting Ler and Lee....
I'm glad! Sometimes I feel like the English language is almost not rich enough to describe some of these feelings and experiences adequately!
 
When I am playing as a tickler, I always insist on safe words.
I recognize that some of my friends whom I have played with multiple times may not necessarily require a safe word with me, but it's there anyway. Makes me feel comfortable as the ticklee is placing their safety in my hands, and I take it super seriously.

As a ticklee, though.... I play with safe words unless I am intimately close to my ler. It's the kind of trust in the fact that they know my body more than most, and they truly know if (when) I have had enough (physically- because I don't want to stop even when I honestly should).

Rest assured that if I ever say it, I mean it because I hardly ever do! I mean.... nearly never! I pride myself in wearing my ticklers out. Sigh... Breaking ticklers is fun. 😝 I'm cool with time limits and breaks for all involved parties.
 
I totally get the no safeword appeal, especially to us lers. As Rachel, Jen and I always use them, I have really grown to love making them say them! Tickle-Tickle ladies...;0)
 
As a ticklee, though.... I play with safe words unless I am intimately close to my ler. It's the kind of trust in the fact that they know my body more than most, and they truly know if (when) I have had enough (physically- because I don't want to stop even when I honestly should).

Rest assured that if I ever say it, I mean it because I hardly ever do! I mean.... nearly never! I pride myself in wearing my ticklers out. Sigh... Breaking ticklers is fun. 😝 I'm cool with time limits and breaks for all involved parties.
That trust factor is sooo important when it comes to that extreme type of tickling. My most stubborn Lee is also my most ticklish. It's super satisfying when she breaks, and she gets mad at herself afterwards, but she is just too ticklish. 😁
Let me say though, if you are wearing, your Lers out before you safeword, you just might be lucky I'm an ocean away. Lol 😉
 
That trust factor is sooo important when it comes to that extreme type of tickling. My most stubborn Lee is also my most ticklish. It's super satisfying when she breaks, and she gets mad at herself afterwards, but she is just too ticklish. 😁
Let me say though, if you are wearing, your Lers out before you safeword, you just might be lucky I'm an ocean away. Lol 😉

I mean.... LOL I'm just pretty insatiable and masochistic when it comes to being tickled. Plus, I'm highly competitive and stubborn as hell. Sigh.... I get mad when I break too. 😅

The cool thing about the kink is making a lee say a safe word isn't always the goal. I have all types of sessions. NGL, though.... Sadistic ticklers are my absolute favorite, and I love an intense, hopeless, begging, desperate tickle session. Been a long while.
 
I mean.... LOL I'm just pretty insatiable and masochistic when it comes to being tickled. Plus, I'm highly competitive and stubborn as hell. Sigh.... I get mad when I break too. 😅

The cool thing about the kink is making a lee say a safe word isn't always the goal. I have all types of sessions. NGL, though.... Sadistic ticklers are my absolute favorite, and I love an intense, hopeless, begging, desperate tickle session. Been a long while.
The thing I love the most about our kink, is the endless possibilities. It's far more than just tie a Lee up, tickle them to they give up, then pack up, and go home.
Given the levels of ticklishness, different spots, (some highly unusual) to tickle, and different scenarios to play out, I feel limitless when I'm planning a session.
I'll be the first to admit I am a sadistic Ler. Not the silly type, but I enjoy the absolute challenge of tickling a Lee to bits. Making them beg, negotiate, promise, and get mad when they know their losing. Eventually they realise, amongst their hopeless, desperate laughter, that their ticklishness has completely betrayed them. Only faced with that reality, with their head bobbing around, limbs desperately pulling at unforgiving ties, and uncontrollable laughter pouring from their mouth, do they finally give in. The embarrassment of having lost the challenge overwhelmed by the intense tickling sensations that makes them feel as though their very soul is being tickled.
Depending on their level of cheeky stubbornness at the beginning, it can take some time.
But it's no less satisfying when it happens. 😈🪶
 
I've been a tickler for over 65 years, and back when I started tickling I had never heard about safewords. I just paid attention to the person I was tickling and you could usually tell if they needed a break of if you should stop completely. That being said, I did have an occasion or two when the person I was tickling started to cry, which made me stop immediately. And back in the day all of my tickling was non-consensual. Paying attention is critical!
 
My wife and I do NOT use a safeword. Whoever is the LER has complete power and control over the other. The Lee is completely and totally helpless. It turns us both on.
The power exchange is mind blowing. And knowing you can have the chance to switch and gain revenge can be the icing on the cake. It's wonderful to be in a relationship with that much trust. Thank you for sharing.
Just curious, who do you think is the most ruthless when Lering?
 
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