Should the 'lee like it?

[Senbab]

its fun when the lee enjoys it, because then you dont have to struggle as much. but, some minor disliking of it, in the form of simple begging, is very cute IMO.

 

[tickledgirl]

In the end, I think asking "do you like that?" is a bad question. Often times the answers will be VERY different during the tickling than before or after. A better question is "Would you like to do that again?" The answer to that tells you much more about whether or not you're succeeding as a 'ler.

That's a good point, though obviously it requires an intimate and trusting relationship to do that.

 

[BrightEyes1082]

It's good to see that most of the lers here are more concerned with both parties enjoying themselves than just getting their own pleasure. Great thread, tickledgirl!

 

[wendynpeter]

In a word - yes. But that doesn't mean it can't be "edgy." Some bottoms love going the edge, some bottoms love be dangled over the edge. But when it's over the limit and all parties aren't getting off anymore, it's like a cold, wet blanket's been thrown over the entire scene. And that, in a word, sucks.

 

[duannewalton]

For myself, I've never been a torturous tickler. The women I have tickled enjoyed and appreciated my gentleness and respect of their limits. Of course, a `lee wanting to be tortured is another thing, but I've yet to encounter one yet.

 

[steph]

Yes!

It never is torture for me, unless you SUCK at it. In that case, you'll know, I make it pretty obvious. Thank God, those cases are very rare.
XOXO

enjoyment for all is the key

 

[TickledToDeath]

IF the lee enjoys being taken to the edge and somewhat beyond then it can be classified as "enjoyable" to the lee even though it is tickle torture.
A love hate thing.

 

[BorisandNatasha]

Everyone has their own style when it comes to tickling.
If they love the fine line play between playful and tickle torture...being taken to the very edge and a bit past where they want to stop but then in a way don't want it to stop, then that should be fine.
There are those who love the torture aspect of tickling, getting intense, see sawing back and forth over that line.

Boris

 

[ShadowTklr]

For me, tickling has always been synonymous with intense pleasure. The "torture" aspect has always been a metaphor for administering that pleasure in doses almost too intense for the lee to withstand, but too exciting for her to reject. Even while she's crying out for the tickling to stop, her pleasure center is swelling with an almost manic desire for more. In that scenario, I'm "torturing" her with highly concentrated doses of pleasure.

Musn't.....dilute....the.....pleasure!!!

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, damn it. 😀
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[sabaki]

For me, tickling has always been synonymous with intense pleasure. The "torture" aspect has always been a metaphor for administering that pleasure in doses almost too intense for the lee to withstand, but too exciting for her to reject. Even while she's crying out for the tickling to stop, her pleasure center is swelling with an almost manic desire for more. In that scenario, I'm "torturing" her with highly concentrated doses of pleasure.

Musn't.....dilute....the.....pleasure!!!

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, damn it. 😀

Yes, precisely.

Nowadays I think of it like this. There is some kind of time delay in which the brain processes and deals sensations: pain, pleasure, etc. If the processing of a previous sensation is interrupted by new sensation, the brain doesn't have the catharsis or denouement of the first sensation, and there is overload. That's how it feels to me, but it's hard to express.

Then constant tickling is a pure kind of sensory overload play, and that explains why it works so well with milking / forced orgasms. Pain overload is unpleasant in a different way. "Overload" is a subtle torture, and the pain washes it away -- usually. I still haven't figured out my kink in realtion to pain. The whole pain/pleasure thing is very confusing.

With tickling, the raw sensations are not intrinsically unpleasant, which leads to mental conflict. The anguish of the overload versus the raw pleasure. This conflict is the main attraction of the thing to me: feeling it, and creating it in someone else (seeing it in their eyes, etc.). It's a special kind of play you could call "rationality" play. In our every day lives we are forced to be rational to survive, to be serious, and to make good judgements. Conflict play is play with _insanity_.

This is the first time I have put these feelings in writing. Maybe this description will resonate with someone else.

 

[BikerBadBoy]

limits

Torture. Definitely. However, if the "lee" prefers just playful non-torture tickling I'd oblidge. If she doesn't say one way or the other - SHE'S IN DEEP. I'll take her right where she wants to go and places she doesn't.

 

[isabeau]

Torture. Definitely. However, if the "lee" prefers just playful non-torture tickling I'd oblidge. If she doesn't say one way or the other - SHE'S IN DEEP. I'll take her right where she wants to go and places she doesn't.

that's perfect..means you are a ler with a heart..

 

[BikerBadBoy]

heart???

Shhhhh. You're gonna blow my image.

 

[ShadowTklr]

Shhhhh. You're gonna blow my image.

LOL! Very good! 🙂

 

[Redmage]

That's a good point, though obviously it requires an intimate and trusting relationship to do that.

To do which? Play on the edge, or ask about it later? If you mean the first, then I definitely agree. But once you're close enough for the first it seems that the second follows naturally.

 

[tickledgirl]

To do which? Play on the edge, or ask about it later? If you mean the first, then I definitely agree. But once you're close enough for the first it seems that the second follows naturally.

Exactly so. I meant playing on the edge. You'd absolutely better be communicating at some point, otherwise it's non-consensual by definition. (How can you say you have consent without communication?) In most cases, I think it'd be before and during the play. In a very intimate and trusting relationship where both sides know each other well, it can happen afterwards.

 

[LindyHopper]

A recent post asked how one might "punish" a 'lee... Should there be a need for "punishment" or redirection of the 'lee's behavior in a scene, I suppose the annoying tickleplay could be used as the stick end of a "carrot and stick" approach, provided the technique and length during which it's used is not unnecessarily aversive.

The first time I read that, I found the idea off-putting. Then, when I thought about it a little more, it reminded me of one of my favorite positions: facedown, ankles bound together and tied to the bedframe, possibly with big toes tied together for good measure. My hands remain free. My 'ler can sit on the floor at the foot of the bed and go to town on my feet, and nothing gets me begging for mercy more surely than a feather between my toes. Even though only my feet are tied, there's very little I can do to stop the tickling, and it makes me absolutely crazy.

Now, I like having my hands free in this position - it's more comfortable on the arms and back, and being able to look over my shoulder, and pound my fists in frustration adds a unique feeling of helplessness. 🙂 However, it does mean that if the tickling is driving me crazy enough, I can push myself up on my knees and try to reach behind me with my hands. However, experience has taught me that doing so tends to get me the point of a feather running between the cheeks of my behind, which tickles me horribly in a not-very-pleasurable way. Which causes me to flop back down on the bed, defeated, and feeling more ticklish and helpless than ever.

So... I have to conclude that the aversive tickling does add to my enjoyment in some situations. I think the key is that it's more preventive than punishing - it only lasts for a few seconds, and it's directly in response to something I did that I shouldn't have. 😉 It probably wouldn't feel so fun to me if it were actually punishing, or if I didn't feel I had control over it stopping. And depending on my 'ler's mood, sometimes pushing myself to my knees in that position gets me the point of a feather in a rather more enjoyable place...

 

[Nedstacey2]

So many posts that collectively summarize so well my relationship with my own 'lee Stacey and our attitudes toward this whole business:

A lot of the fantasies I write involve making a 'lee enjoy her tickling/submission in spite of herself.

I'm intrigued with the idea of flirting with a lee's "line" in those circumstances where she actually welcomes being pushed to her limits and beyond. . . . it can be a very intimate experience...being so "tuned in" to her reactions and responses...discovering how to "moderate" the torture just so....

See, being taken to the point where it's torture is enjoyable for me. . . . But being a masochist - enjoying a bit of pain and all that, being tickle-tortured is a big turn on for me. Knowing I'm helpless to resist. Dizzy. Completely submissive. I enjoy it.

. . . even though while it's happening, the lee may want to gnaw their wrist off to get the tickling to stop, ultimately they've gotten something they desired. And certainly when the love and care of a devoted ler is there after the ordeal.

The point is that there are different levels on which you can "like" it. You might hate the actual sensations, but like the headspace they put you in. Or you might like it on an even more abstract level. It's still liking it... human beings are complicated like that.

For myself, the times when I'm begging sincerely, wholeheartedly, for the tickling to stop is when I'm enjoying it most.

IF the lee enjoys being taken to the edge and somewhat beyond then it can be classified as "enjoyable" to the lee even though it is tickle torture.
A love hate thing.

If you infer that I fall on the "tickling as loving torture" side, you are correct. It's primarily because although Stacey is a bottom she is not a true ticklee, i.e. she has never "liked" to be tickled. But we are both into D/s so much that when I inject tickling into it as per my own dispositions, it becomes enjoyable for her as well because it's a direct appeal to her submissive side. That is, she gets off not by the tickling itself but being restrained and helpless while having it done to her, in addition to knowing that it turns me on so.

Yet, she finds my licking and nibbling her feet and especially in between and around her toes to be among the most sensual and stimulating of all things I do to her. Go figure.

 

[f_tickle_m_feet]

I want the lee to like being tickled, unless we have agreed upon before hand to take the tickling to a more intense level.

 

[911]

torture is fun

I have 2 say yes I love the idea of tickle torturing women or torturing them other ways. When I watch tickling clips the more they hate it the better. If they like it fine but they have to b in some sort of panic or terror or it's not as fun.But that's just fantasy I'm not that evil in real life.