Should Tickle Hell continue to post content on the TMF?

[tklhell]

I personally don't think that your decision to create this thread was a terribly good idea....but here's the only feedback that I can think to give you at this moment.

Ask yourselves at Tickle Hell the following questions, and reflect:

Why do you make your videos?

Is it for the love of this fetish?

--Feedback is all part of presenting a product. Be prepared for positive....be prepared for negative. You all have been in business long enough; you should understand these intricacies.

--If you're making videos just to make a couple extra grand per month, then, I'm really not sure what to tell ya.


I'm just still trying to understand why your creation of a *Pity Thread* was necessary.
If you're creating your content for the love of this fetish, shake off the negative feedback, and use that as fuel to create better content.

Either way, I wish you nothing but the best.



Rook's Media

Thank you very much for your viewpoint. We appreciate your insight and wish all the best to you, as well.

 

[dosdal]

I think that you should continue to post here! I like a lot of the work that you produce!

In my opinion ticklishness like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I have purchased many clips from Tickle Hell as well as the other producers that post here. Most clips I purchase I am very satisfied with but once in a while I get one that is not exactly what interests me. At least with the producers posting previews I can make a more informed decision on which ones I purchase.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Thank you very much for your reply. But we don't have anything against a "bad review"...however, we tend to think "FM's stuff is all fake" (or whatever variant thereof is posted in nearly every thread we start), as not being an 'opinion'. It's a generic bias based on prejudice. It's also untrue.

Insults against our staff and models have nothing to do with videos being "faked"; but these comments are posted, and as indicated before, we've not seen this kind of behavior leveled against other producers who post preview clips on this board.

As for the "marketing ploy", as you stated above, Myriads encouraged us to start this thread in this section. If we'd been able to generate any responses in the video/audio clips section we would have left it there.

Any further thoughts, Sunny?

And as a company running a business... YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE IT! You have to take the bias, you have to take the prejudice. Either offer something else or keep doing what you are doing! People have a right to hate what you offer, say it is fake, and warn everyone in the entire world that it is trash. They can put it on a blimp or a billboard if they want.

You either prove them wrong by having a great product and having testimonials from people on TMF who love that product, or you can run away from the TMF and sell to someone else. Of course you could sue for slander if you really wanted to stick it to someone. Good luck with that route. *shrug

It's great that Myriads let you post it here for more exposure. That's totally cool. But, it will also draw more attention to you and your product. Whether it is done on purpose or not, it's still good marketing.... I'm a business woman, myself.

I own lots and lots of clips, but I've learned pretty quickly to stick with the companies who consistently produce what I like. If you want to be one of those companies for the majority of the people on the forum.... Seems like there are some things you need to change.

K- Make lots of money!
Sunny
😀

 

[herts tickler]

this thread makes me kinda sad because surly no1 should be made to feel unwelcome on here and no1 has the right to make someone feel that way.
now ill be honest iv never bought 1 of you clips but that doesnt mean im gonna sit here slagging u off. your doing something creative and i know alot of people appreciate your work so who am i to knock it? at the end of the day it entirly peoples own choice to buy or not buy ur clips and if they dont like them theres plenty of other producers out there offering different types of clips.
dont let these people get you down. if u want to keep making clips then keep making them- maybe take on board some of the well-meaning constructive critisism if your looking to reach out to the community more. if you feel like its come to the end of the line then stop making clips but make sure its the right decision for you and not because of throw-away comments
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[TklDuo-Ann]

"OTOH (and this applies to all store owners, not just you), I personally have little use for those who come to advertize but refuse to be involved in the community they look to for their livelyhood. It just doesn't set well with me."

This is a very interesting point. But a quick scan of the first few pages in discussion shows only a handful of producer's initiating threads, and many of those are even started in reference to their product. So thanks for being all-inclusive. But the TMF is a big place, and we haven't seen every page. We certainly don't mean to imply that any other producers are here just to advertise.

So, because every other producer isn't doing it, you don't need to either? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't visit every page either...or even every forum section. But, even when I'm busy with other things, I try to make time to check in and see what's going on. You've been around since before I even got online. Surely, in those many years, there've been opportunities to pop in, say hello and introduce yourself rather than just the product you want us to buy. Note here that I'm not talking about simply video related stuff. I'm talking about actually caring to get to know folks. It really does make a difference.

"If I might make a suggestion.... You might consider actually getting to know folks. Get to know what they do/don't want to see."

Difficult to get to know folks when we feel so unwelcome. And if we could get posts that contained helpful suggestions and criticisms, well, we wouldn't need this post.

Perhaps you feel so unwelcome because you haven't made any effort to do anything but advertize. In fact, your comments above only make that refusal more obvious and insulting to those you're expecting to show you more consideration. Even those companies whose product is not what I'd like to see get more respect/consideration from me if they act like they give two shits about those they serve with their product. On those rare occassions when I actually look at their preview clips, I'm much more likely to show them respect if they've shown us some.

Just something to think about. I'm not trying to be harsh, here. I'm actually trying to give you the constructive criticism you wanted. There really is more to running a business than the product.

 

[mabus]

Yes, you should continue posting here...but.....

I like your site. One of the first videos I ever bought was from FM Concepts.
isten to what everyone said before me, it's true. There will always be people who hate just to hate, and after that, you can't please everyone.

I like girls tickled in very thin, barely-there, suntan or nude colored pantyhose. I may not be interested in your bare foot clips. I, however, won't tell you stop making bare foot clips, or diss the clip because there is no pantyhose.

Others will, and some producers will take that to heart and react negatively.
Oh well. If I was a producer, I'd ignore them. There are people who hate Star Wars, and rip George Lucas...yet own all his movies...and toys...and books... Then, there are people who hate Sci-fi movies, who feel the need to tell everyone they ate them. My reaction is,
"If you don't like Sci-fi, go watch your damn sports or reality TV and shut up."

However....

Tickle hell, FM Concpets, etc. sites, need a lot of work.

Yes, the quality is good, since they've been there forever.
Yes, the models are beautiful.
Yes, some models won't be ticklish.

But honestly, most of the girls WILL be ticklish, give the law of averages.

But, the tickling sucks.

I have seen girls in FM Concepts videos be ticked, and not laugh once. Then another company hires them, and their balls to the wall ape-shit ticklish.
Why?

Let me describe how so as not to be a hater, this IS constructive criticism.

You need to tell your female ticklers, to REALLY TICKLE their victims.

Here's how the girls tickle:
She (whoever) will walk up to the ticklee, sit down, move around, wiggle her fingers in mid-air...then....

lightly, very carefully, tap the foot once.

Then she'll change positions again (why, I have no idea) get situated, then....

tap the foot a little bit longer (about 1 second)

then change positions again, move around, then

grab a toe and wiggle it

then....

You all get my point.

Soon the video's over with, and the girl was barely touched.
That's why when Tickle Haven or RealTickling got a hold of them, and REALLY tickled them, they fall out the chair laughing.

That would be the best thing right there, is to REALLY make those girls tickle the other girls.

Other things:
-More camera angles. Show close-up, the tops of the feet, soles, etc.
-I'd suggest more outfits and costumes, more normal pantyhose (nylons bunch up and aren't that attractive. Still do them for the nylon fans, but pantyhose are always more ticklish)

-Fix the quality. The older clips used to be absolutely horrible - really pixelated, as small as they could be sizewise, very small size wise so everything was compressed so bad you couldn't tell what was going on, and the audio was very garbled.

-Start a clips4sale store. More people nowadays check clips4sale, and forget about the other places. But with much better quality clips, like 100 or 200 MB, full screen and crystal clear audio and video....at the least!

-Have more of a Tickling Forum presence. Throw some jokes at us, tell us you agree or disagree with Obama, rip the media, join in anywhere. People subconsciencly resent when someone comes here, models or producers, just to advertise. Most of the regular producers here join in other discussions.

I'm so glad you are open for advice. If you do better, we get the rewards of laughing girls and better clips, and you get our money! Everyone will win.

The haters will still hate, but who gives a shit.....

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

-Start a clips4sale store. More people nowadays check clips4sale, and forget about the other places. But with much better quality clips, like 100 or 200 MB, full screen and crystal clear audio and video....at the least!

They actually do have several C4S stores under various names.

 

[tcklft]

As many forum members must be aware, our post last week in the video section resulted in some unpleasantness that led to the difficult decision to remove our content and suspend any future posting of free previews.

We listed our reasons in a response to "avethibaltus" (reprinted below), and thus far haven't really received the feedback that we had hoped for or expected. We'd like to ask for opinions here in the tickling discussion section, at Myriads request, and because so many TMF'ers have e-mailed us asking us to reconsider.

And we want to reiterate that we are open to any opinion based on the post below, whether you agree or disagree, either wholly or in part, or simply don't care.

Thanks to all for your time and consideration.

Posted by ~ avethibaltus
"I would like to ask if there is anyone here who honestly believes that the FM Concepts models are in most cases really ticklish? They seem to chance upon one every once in a while but cannot compare to the real tickling sites in this regard, despite the volume of clips that they produce(d). You do however often get a chance to assess the surgical skills of breast implantation specialists in the Los Angeles County area.

Our response:

The controversy is due to one simple thing: the viewer's perception. Many 'lers have a specific, preferred, stand-alone reaction that they feel has to be present in a genuine, "real" ticklish reaction. Or even a particular style of tickling that the 'ler in the video may not adhere to. And they dogmatically cling to that. If this is absent, they say it's a fake. What they don't take into account is that there are as many different ticklish reactions as there are 'lees. Any producer who has worked with the same model on different occasions, or anyone who's been fortunate enough to have a long-term partner for tickle play, knows this to be true. And the same 'lee may have a differing reaction due to their mood, time of day, or many other factors.

And if we have ten models in a title, and only two of those models exhibit the viewer's "genuine reaction", well, the other eight must be faking it. So someone didn't see their particular "genuine reaction" in some FM material and cried fake. Even more heartbreaking if it was a model that they found particularly appealing and had high expectations of the scene that just weren't met. Someone else, who may have even had a different trigger that they were looking for, but wasn't visible, joined in and so on and so on.

We regret that this thread has degenerated into a maelstrom of accusations and negativity. We certainly were aware of the reputation of our material in the community, but we didn't expect this when we had decided to offer free preview clips.

Any well-mannered, constructive criticism, suggestions, or even complaints, would've been welcome. Everyone is entitled their opinion about our material. But instead, we are faced with a post of "FM's stuff is all faked", and ridiculous, childish insults against our models and owner's in nearly every thread. Even if only coming from a very vocal minority. We haven't observed any other current producer providing preview clips to be subjected to this kind of blanket (and untrue, unfounded and, unfortunately, indefensible) treatment. This has created an unwelcome, and frankly, hostile environment for us here at the TMF.

So we have removed our content from this forum, and suspended any plans for any future preview updates. To those of you who did provide positive encouragement, whether in posts or by PM, sincere thanks to you all. And a special thank you to Myriads, who has always been courteous and proven himself to be someone of impeccable class in every experience that we've had with him. May you continue to prosper and thrive.

If you can't stand the heat, please stay out of the kitchen.

 

[cabalist]

What's Tickle Hell?

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

What's Tickle Hell?

Not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic in asking. In case you're serious, here's a link... http://www.ticklehell.com/ They're one of several offshoots of the parent company FM Concepts which has been putting out fetish films for ages.

 

[cabalist]

Not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic in asking. In case you're serious, here's a link... http://www.ticklehell.com/ They're one of several offshoots of the parent company FM Concepts which has been putting out fetish films for ages.

Thanks for taking my tongue-in-cheek response seriously enough to take the time to respond. But to split hairs a little, I guess I might have been being a little of both, sarcastic and serious. That is, since I don't buy tickling videos, never have and most likely never will, I really don't care much "who" they are.

But I was being "semi-serious", in that, in not having much interest in such videos, I really had no idea who they are, and it was news to me in reading this thread that they were affiliated with FM Concepts -- who, likewise, I never cared much who or what they were.

In fact, I'm so uninformed on who the various producers are in general that when I first saw the title of this thread, in trying to remember whether I had any familiarity with them or not, I was first thinking of the Tickle Horror company, some of whose videos and previews I have seen, and was thinking of commenting that I personally didn't care whether they posted "content" here or not since most of the work I've seen by that company hasn't impressed me favorably in the least. But since I can't honestly say that I'd know a Tickle Hell video if I saw it, unless I noticed their name on it, I guess I'm equally indifferent to whether or not they advertise here -- except that, as a non-buyer of videos, perhaps not surprisingly I consider any and all advertising here as the least interesting posts in these forums in general.

But, again, thanks for the info, if possibly only for the benefit of anyone who may actually wish to know but may be hesitant to ask.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

LOL You're welcome. 😉

I don't buy vids either. I only know of the companies from keeping track of things for folks through my own site.

 

[tklhell]

So, because every other producer isn't doing it, you don't need to either? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't visit every page either...or even every forum section. But, even when I'm busy with other things, I try to make time to check in and see what's going on. You've been around since before I even got online. Surely, in those many years, there've been opportunities to pop in, say hello and introduce yourself rather than just the product you want us to buy. Note here that I'm not talking about simply video related stuff. I'm talking about actually caring to get to know folks. It really does make a difference.



Perhaps you feel so unwelcome because you haven't made any effort to do anything but advertize. In fact, your comments above only make that refusal more obvious and insulting to those you're expecting to show you more consideration. Even those companies whose product is not what I'd like to see get more respect/consideration from me if they act like they give two shits about those they serve with their product. On those rare occassions when I actually look at their preview clips, I'm much more likely to show them respect if they've shown us some.

Just something to think about. I'm not trying to be harsh, here. I'm actually trying to give you the constructive criticism you wanted. There really is more to running a business than the product.

I'm sorry, but your attaching some meaning to my words that just wasn't intended. But very succinct and eloquent...in it's...bluntness.

 

[tklhell]

They actually do have several C4S stores under various names.

I'm sorry, but that's mistaken. We don't maintain any C4S stores at all. Clips can be purchased in the same manner through our VOD store. All accessible through every individual site.

 

[tklhell]

What's Tickle Hell?

We are heartbroken....!

 

[fightinggirl666]

Honestly if you want to post then post, if you don't then don't. This whole thing seems like a publicity stunt to get people talking about you. It's like you want people to 'beg' you to post samples again after you throw a hissy fit and pulled a big stunt by 'withdrawing your services'.

If you want to grow up and not run away because one or two people say they flat out don't like you're product then do it - this is the biggest audience to advertise your product you can get. Stop talking about 'constructive criticism' - if people want to say your tapes are no good then they can, you just have to live with it.

As for your tapes I don't know what the quality is like one way or the other, but just accept that some will love your work and some will hate it and just move on. If you spent more time worrying about why some people don't like your product and seeking to improve yourself your company would be a lot better off. Instead your just seem to be going a self pity routine.

By denying yourself the chances to advertise to your market your doing your only hurting yourselfs, you can't control how people will react so just deal with it.

 

[venray]

Should Tickle Hell continue to post content on the TMF?

Sure..why not?


Should Tickle Hell continue to post threads such as this one?

No...

 

[tklhell]

There does seem to be a consensus among some that feel we are here to get sympathy (we're not), looking only for posts that beg us to start posting previews again (sure, that'd be nice, but...), or that we're thin-skinned about any criticism (folks, we've been around a long time and criticised since day one by the best....AND the worst).

Obviously, I'm not expressing myself properly, and in retrospect, maybe I should've used a different header for the thread. But, "Your Input Requested", just didn't have the sense of drama that I was trying to create.

To try to explain in a more specific manner: After I made the posting in the video clips section, Myriads and I exchanged some PM's. I expressed our disappoint that the thread hadn't generated as much discussion as we were hoping for (and, no, not just people agreeing with us or begging us to keep providing previews). Myriads urged that we move this thread to the discussion page to illicit a more vigorous dialogue that we could learn from. We took his suggestion.

I also expressed that because FM seems to be such a polarizing influence here, that we weren't even sure that our presence was beneficial to the forum. For those of you who keep saying, "That's just the internet"...Sure. But that doesn't mean we want to be involved in or the cause of any ugliness.

Time prohibits me from answering every post, but they are all being read and given consideration.

Thanks to everybody thus far who has taken the time to post their viewpoint.

 

[fightinggirl666]

Should Tickle Hell continue to post content on the TMF?

Sure..why not?


Should Tickle Hell continue to post threads such as this one?

No...

That probably sums it up nicely hun 🙂

 

[tklhell]

Yes, you should continue posting here...but.....

I like your site. One of the first videos I ever bought was from FM Concepts.
isten to what everyone said before me, it's true. There will always be people who hate just to hate, and after that, you can't please everyone.

I like girls tickled in very thin, barely-there, suntan or nude colored pantyhose. I may not be interested in your bare foot clips. I, however, won't tell you stop making bare foot clips, or diss the clip because there is no pantyhose.

Others will, and some producers will take that to heart and react negatively.
Oh well. If I was a producer, I'd ignore them. There are people who hate Star Wars, and rip George Lucas...yet own all his movies...and toys...and books... Then, there are people who hate Sci-fi movies, who feel the need to tell everyone they ate them. My reaction is,
"If you don't like Sci-fi, go watch your damn sports or reality TV and shut up."

However....

Tickle hell, FM Concpets, etc. sites, need a lot of work.

Yes, the quality is good, since they've been there forever.
Yes, the models are beautiful.
Yes, some models won't be ticklish.

But honestly, most of the girls WILL be ticklish, give the law of averages.

But, the tickling sucks.

I have seen girls in FM Concepts videos be ticked, and not laugh once. Then another company hires them, and their balls to the wall ape-shit ticklish.
Why?

Let me describe how so as not to be a hater, this IS constructive criticism.

You need to tell your female ticklers, to REALLY TICKLE their victims.

Here's how the girls tickle:
She (whoever) will walk up to the ticklee, sit down, move around, wiggle her fingers in mid-air...then....

lightly, very carefully, tap the foot once.

Then she'll change positions again (why, I have no idea) get situated, then....

tap the foot a little bit longer (about 1 second)

then change positions again, move around, then

grab a toe and wiggle it

then....

You all get my point.

Soon the video's over with, and the girl was barely touched.
That's why when Tickle Haven or RealTickling got a hold of them, and REALLY tickled them, they fall out the chair laughing.

That would be the best thing right there, is to REALLY make those girls tickle the other girls.

Other things:
-More camera angles. Show close-up, the tops of the feet, soles, etc.
-I'd suggest more outfits and costumes, more normal pantyhose (nylons bunch up and aren't that attractive. Still do them for the nylon fans, but pantyhose are always more ticklish)

-Fix the quality. The older clips used to be absolutely horrible - really pixelated, as small as they could be sizewise, very small size wise so everything was compressed so bad you couldn't tell what was going on, and the audio was very garbled.

-Start a clips4sale store. More people nowadays check clips4sale, and forget about the other places. But with much better quality clips, like 100 or 200 MB, full screen and crystal clear audio and video....at the least!

-Have more of a Tickling Forum presence. Throw some jokes at us, tell us you agree or disagree with Obama, rip the media, join in anywhere. People subconsciencly resent when someone comes here, models or producers, just to advertise. Most of the regular producers here join in other discussions.

I'm so glad you are open for advice. If you do better, we get the rewards of laughing girls and better clips, and you get our money! Everyone will win.

The haters will still hate, but who gives a shit.....

This is precisely the type of feedback that we need. Even though he thinks our tickling sucks, he explained why while being polite and didn't resort to any biased prejudice. And offered his thoughts for improvement.

Thank you for taking the time to put that out for us, Mabus.

 

[tklhell]

Should Tickle Hell continue to post threads such as this one?

No...[/QUOTE]

No worries, there. We certainly never will....

 

[shark]

If you have something of interest to customers, it would make no sense to stop posting or advertizing it. As long as you're making money on it, why stop?

If the question was "Should we stop making the content, considering the publicity and/or reviews on the TMF", it would make more sense. You'd have to decide whether your efforts are worth the orders you get.

 

[Gadilici]

Of course you should keep posting. You wouldn't have been around this long if you haven't been striking a chord with someone.

Not everyone digs your content? Not everyone digs Seinfeld. Not everyone likes NCIS or baseball, or football. But many others do.

Keep posting. Just cause someone had their Bitchy Flakes that morning doesn't mean you should stop.

I remember when I first found the intarwebz, you were one of the first things I ran across looking for tickling. I remember getting the print fliers from you. Was always a rush when they showed up. I would feel a loss if you guys left. The early days of me finding out I wasn't alone, you and only a couple other producers had a huge impact at that point. Owe you lots. Lots of sentimentality.

Keep posting. Take the advice and constructive criticism you get, and ignore those just flaming you.

Christopher

 

[cabalist]

We are heartbroken....!

I seriously doubt that -- if you might rather be "richer" by one purchaser than not. 😉

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I'm sorry, but that's mistaken. We don't maintain any C4S stores at all. Clips can be purchased in the same manner through our VOD store. All accessible through every individual site.

Sorry for the mistake. I have the bad habit of refering to all VOD stores as C4S...refering to the method rather than the service. I'll try to avoid that in the future.

As for attaching meaning that's not there, I guess that's part of the nature of the internet. Things don't always come across as intended. I was responding to my impression of what you were saying. If that impression was incorrect, then I apologize...again.

To go back to the original question, I think you should continue posting. But, as stated earlier, I also encourage you to get involved (even if only a bit) so that you can get more of a sense of what people do or don't want to see. I agree that we aren't always good at expressing why with specifics. I'm not sure that will change. But, it couldn't hurt to try...though perhaps in ways other than threads like this one.