Should tickling clips be put on YouTube?

[mabus]

This thread is to continue the unrelated tangent that began in THIS thread, and had nothing to do with what the original poster was even talking about:

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=161960


So, should tickling clips be posted on YouTube, even though many are of an adult nature?

YES, yes they should.

Why?
Because we are adults.
We live in an adult world.
Children...eventually grow up to be adults.
(Some don't, but tough crap, they should have harder lives so they can be forced into adulthood.)

All this "for the children, what about the children" bullshit started with the Clintons, I believe, but happily correct me if I'm wrong.
The Clintons and the Democrats needed to pass all their stupid legislation, so started to claim everything was "FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!" (Hillary Clinton shouting...) Eventually, or maybe before this, the Republicans and Religious Right jumped on that bandwagon, all parties realizing that it's was easy to take away freedom and liberties when you claim it's "for the children!!!"
You could successfully argue against most of The Bill of Rights, claiming it harms "the children!!!"

Well the internet is one of the last great bastions of freedom, and therefore, most of it won't be appropriate for the children. I've always heard over 60% is porn, probably more. The Klu Klux Klan has websites, as do the terrorists, the black people who hate whites, the skinny people who hate fat people, the people pushing anorexia, Rotten.com which shows dead and disfigured bodies, people who don't believe we ever set foot on the moon, and every other hate spewing bile you can, or can't, imagine.

YouTube features tickling, and the worst tickling video is TAME compared to everything else on there. You can get clips from Hellraiser, Hostel, people cursing, women with big boobs-a-jiggling, people getting in accidents, every political philosophy or opinion you don't want your children exposed to, etc.

How do you clean ALL that up, to make the internet "kid friendly?"
I don't let my nieces and nephews touch my computer.....let them read a book, or watch TV (Good luck keeping THAT cesspool clean) or....

or children could.......

...wait for it, it's a blast from the past......many people today have never heard of this.......


They could go PLAY OUTSIDE.

...and work some of that fat off......

 

[CrystalLight]

They should have a separate area for them. Them being any and all clips that are 18+.

 

[rhiannon]

I say no, they shouldn't be posted on youtube, and I will tell you why!

I am looking at it not from the kids' point of view, but from the point of view of the models! If I was shooting a fetish tickling clip, I wouldn't have a problem with it being posted on fetish sites. I WOULD have a problem if it was posted on Youtube though. Literally everybody could stumble across it there by accident, my boss, my colleague, my parents.

If anyone of these people found it on a fetish site and confronts me with it, I can always say "Well...what brought YOU to that site?" If the person finds it on Youtube....what can I say???? On Youtube are way too many people I wouldn't agree with knowing about my fetish!

 

[Raytheon]

As said in the first thread my question seems to have sparked....What is wrong with using the many xxxTube sites dedicated to sexual content?

Im shocked no one seems to have a problem with browsing sexual videos of tickling alongside childrens videos?? Were not pedophiles. With the attitude were taking towards the subject we may as well go the full hog and say we want to encourage children to view the the sexual enjoyment that can be obtained from tickling and drop the 18+ barrier to this website.

Its a fair point. How is that so unthinkable when we already fill their 'innocent' internet searches with our porn?

 

[Black Hat]

If I was shooting a fetish tickling clip, I wouldn't have a problem with it being posted on fetish sites. I WOULD have a problem if it was posted on Youtube though. Literally everybody could stumble across it there by accident, my boss, my colleague, my parents.

I do agree, but this is risk that said model needs to be aware of, but its not a new risk.

In the past a model could create a fetish/pron video and it be discovered. Copies could be sent all over god's green earth and then what? This typically doesn't happen by accident though, one must be looking for incriminating evidence.

Really, as far as youtube is concerned, your relatives are no more likely to find it there than they are on clips4sale. One has to dig in order to find something.

As far as the kids are concerned...that's not our concern. I mean really if you walked down a busy street and saw some 12 yr olds crowding over a penthouse would you take it from them? I say that's not my call...

 

[Goodieluver]

There is a little thing on the bottom of the main youtube page listing most watched and currently watched

My 7-8 yr old nephew goes on youtube to watch whatever kid stuff he does

I do not want nor need him to discover any fetish or adult related stuff just by logging on to youtube

You have xtube, footfetishtube, boobtube, etc avail out there for sexual needs and you have the TMF, TT, Mousepad, and god knows how many others I am missing

So why should youtube even be a concern?

 

[Mister Scruff]

(Some don't, but tough crap, they should have harder lives so they can be forced into adulthood.)

All this "for the children, what about the children" bullshit started with the Clintons, I believe, but happily correct me if I'm wrong.
The Clintons and the Democrats needed to pass all their stupid legislation, so started to claim everything was "FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!" (Hillary Clinton shouting...) Eventually, or maybe before this, the Republicans and Religious Right jumped on that bandwagon, all parties realizing that it's was easy to take away freedom and liberties when you claim it's "for the children!!!"
You could successfully argue against most of The Bill of Rights, claiming it harms "the children!!!"

Either obvious troll is obvious, or you're a raving weirdo.

I know we're all adults, and we all want to do whatever the fuck we want whenever the fuck we want to do it, and moderating our behaviour to show a bit of consideration for others is shit, but seriously. It's not hard to not put tickling clips on YouTube. No harder than it is to go to xxxTube-type sites to look for them. Or get them off the TMF. There's no need to post them on YouTube at all.

Not to mention YouTube baleets the fucking things whenever they're found, so they obviously find the content objectionable enough. Why do that to yourself? Why post clips/ use YouTube to find tickling clips then come here and moan when they get binned? Why not just post them somewhere else.

They should have a separate area for them. Them being any and all clips that are 18+.

This would be an idea, although I think that was what the flagging system was meant to achieve.

I am looking at it not from the kids' point of view, but from the point of view of the models! If I was shooting a fetish tickling clip, I wouldn't have a problem with it being posted on fetish sites. I WOULD have a problem if it was posted on Youtube though. Literally everybody could stumble across it there by accident, my boss, my colleague, my parents.

If anyone of these people found it on a fetish site and confronts me with it, I can always say "Well...what brought YOU to that site?" If the person finds it on Youtube....what can I say???? On Youtube are way too many people I wouldn't agree with knowing about my fetish!

Good point.

Forget the kids; show a bit of consideration for the models, perhaps? Especially considering a lot of them are university students doing the videos to earn a few extra quid here and there?

Oh no wait, that would require moderating our behaviour for the sake of another human being. We shouldn't do that because it denegrates our freedom, as responsible adults, to do whatever the fuck we feel like doing.

As far as the kids are concerned...that's not our concern. I mean really if you walked down a busy street and saw some 12 yr olds crowding over a penthouse would you take it from them? I say that's not my call...

No it's not, but then again that's a totally different situation.

Did you buy the Penthouse for them? No. Okay.
Did you put it on the shelf where they could see it? No. Okay.
Are you responsible for the content of the corner-shop's magazine rack? No. Okay.

You are officially absolved of blame in the case of kids looking at a Penthouse, and there is no compunction on you to take it away from them.

If you upload a tickling clip to YouTube, and some kid finds it, you're responsible for leaving the tickling clip in a place where there's a chance that a kid might find it. You're as culpable as if you'd left your Paradise Vision DVD in the player, so all your little niece or nephew have to do is click Play.


Nobody's suggesting that being exposed to tickle fetish material is going to corrupt a child beyond all hope of redemption. Nobody is suggesting that being blahze about kids stumbling upon tickle clips makes you a paedophile. As Crazy Hard-Knock-Life Guy said, tickling is tame compared to most of the other shit out there, and I'd much rather my little niece accidentally caught a clip of some girl being tickled than I would if she caught Twink-Prison 4: The Prawn-Tail Chronicles or something.

All that said, tame as tickling is, it's still sexualised material; and while I agree that allowing kids to autonomously expose themselves to contentious real-world subjects (violence, radical religion, politics, etc) via the internet is a good thing to an extent, I just don't think the same thing applies to sexualised material.

 

[TicklesFemales]

I personally see nothing wrong with Tickling clips being put on youtube and I even go and watch them. However I do not think any clip should be reproduced by anyone and put on youtube or anywhere else without the explicit consent of the owner of said clip who posted it here for only members to see. A lot of us expect discretion so don't post any clip out of here or any other tickling site without first consulting the original owner who posted it in the first place.

 

[Artoo]

I see very little point on having fetish material on a site so widely used by the general public, when there are plenty of other sites where we can watch fetish material.

So, no they shouldn't. 😛

 

[rhiannon]

I do agree, but this is risk that said model needs to be aware of, but its not a new risk.

In the past a model could create a fetish/pron video and it be discovered. Copies could be sent all over god's green earth and then what? This typically doesn't happen by accident though, one must be looking for incriminating evidence.

Really, as far as youtube is concerned, your relatives are no more likely to find it there than they are on clips4sale. One has to dig in order to find something.

As far as the kids are concerned...that's not our concern. I mean really if you walked down a busy street and saw some 12 yr olds crowding over a penthouse would you take it from them? I say that's not my call...

As I said, as long as the material stays on fetish sites only, people can't possibly discover it without looking for the fetish themselves which will give the model an even level to walk on, but if the fetish material roams around youtube, it's a different story!

 

[Ghris]

This would be an idea, although I think that was what the flagging system was meant to achieve.

I worked out how to bypass that without logging in about five minutes after it first became a problem to me. And when you know how to do so, it takes approximately three seconds... and you THEN have unfettered access to the related videos. I think you might even get away from the ads, though I haven't tried it recently.



But anyway.



In response to the question: Depends on the clip. Nude, with strict bondage and orgasm control and so on? Definitely a NO. Absolutely not. Kids can and do watch the porn on Youtube, and that would be seen as porn by anyone.

However, it's a slightly different for a fully clothed, "fun" clip. It looks relatively harmless. If you didn't know it was a fetish, then you'd never guess it was pornographic. That kind of clip isn't so bad, IMO. To be blunt, better the people on Youtube looking for that stuff find it done by adults and don't start wanking over a 14 year old girl and egging her on to do other stuff.

Let me put it this way. Heard of "blow to pop" or whatever it is? Basically balloon inflating fetish. Does this mean we should remove every clip of an adult or child inflating a balloon from Youtube? It's not porn unless the viewer perceives it as such, whether this be due to it being made overly suggestive or just because of a fetish.



One last point. This one might be a little controversial, but:

Look back to your teenage years.

Were you into tickling then? Did you understand it as what it was?

Knowing that you aren't alone in your personal sexual desires is a wondrous thing. It can prevent someone feeling lost or confused. While, yes, Youtube is a pretty bad way to find stuff, visiting some hardcore porn site that fills your computer with viruses that your overly conservative parents then find is worse. Much worse.

 

[Black Hat]

No it's not, but then again that's a totally different situation.

Did you buy the Penthouse for them? No. Okay.
Did you put it on the shelf where they could see it? No. Okay.
Are you responsible for the content of the corner-shop's magazine rack? No. Okay.

You are officially absolved of blame in the case of kids looking at a Penthouse, and there is no compunction on you to take it away from them.

If you upload a tickling clip to YouTube, and some kid finds it, you're responsible for leaving the tickling clip in a place where there's a chance that a kid might find it.

You're right. Except that your wrong.

Did I upload the tickling clip? No.
Am I responsible for youtube? No.
Am I responsible for YOUR child's internet usage? No.

My analogy stands, thus I reiterate: "Its not my concern." This whole thread is a moot point.

I see very little point on having fetish material on a site so widely used by the general public, when there are plenty of other sites where we can watch fetish material.

People are stupid and don't know how to use the internet so they browse youtube idly for hours looking for :32 sec clips. I agree with you though.

As I said, as long as the material stays on fetish sites only, people can't possibly discover it without looking for the fetish themselves which will give the model an even level to walk on, but if the fetish material roams around youtube, it's a different story!

I just wanted to say that I how outspoken you are! Even though I disagree. 🙂

 

[Mister Scruff]

I worked out how to bypass that without logging in about five minutes after it first became a problem to me.

Hence why I said "what it was supposed to achieve". Implying that it isn't achieving anything. As far as I'm aware "bypassing" it requires you to submit a fake D.O.B at registration. Which is hardly ground-breaking hacker shit.

One last point. This one might be a little controversial, but:

Look back to your teenage years.

Were you into tickling then? Did you understand it as what it was?

Knowing that you aren't alone in your personal sexual desires is a wondrous thing. It can prevent someone feeling lost or confused. While, yes, Youtube is a pretty bad way to find stuff, visiting some hardcore porn site that fills your computer with viruses that your overly conservative parents then find is worse. Much worse.

All that stuff is why sites like the TMF and Tickle Theater (okay maybe not so much CP Theater, but hey) are great.

What kind of moral support are kids going to get by stumbling across a tickling clip on YouTube? "Oh hey look, it's a clip I find arousing. Great. I sure wish I had someone to talk to about how awesome this is aside from the fruitcakes leaving comments. Ah well, back to Counter-Strike."

 

[rhiannon]

I just wanted to say that I how outspoken you are! Even though I disagree.

LOL...much appreciated. 🙂

Oh, and I'm with Mister Scruff! 😀

 

[Mister Scruff]

You're right. Except that your wrong.

Did I upload the tickling clip? No.
Am I responsible for youtube? No.
Am I responsible for YOUR child's internet usage? No.

My analogy stands, thus I reiterate: "Its not my concern." This whole thread is a moot point.

Or it would be, if the thread was "Should YouTube stop removing tickling clips?"

As it stands your opinion is that you have no opinion, in which case thanks for stopping by.

I just wanted to say that I how outspoken you are! Even though I disagree. 🙂

I wish more people would say this to me. Maybe if I change my name to Miss Scruff or something.

 

[Goodieluver]

Amazing with the amount of spank material out there, people are always mad theres not more......

 

[RevolutionOfTK]

I think it's BS to say we shouldn't post it on youtube because kids might stumble across it. Check out the 'shows' section of youtube. I've seen a few boobs there. So obviously it's not that big of a concern. It's about money. If these producers were paying youtube youtube wouldn't have a problem.

Besides the tickling clips posted on youtube aren't going to vanish simply because a few people have a problem with it. Even if every producer on this site and the theater decided to stop posting tickling related stuff there it's not going to suddenly vanish. So really, what's the problem?

Problem 1: Kids stumble across it.
Solution: Parents moderate what your kids do and see online. Simple solution.

Problem 2: Protecting models
Solution: Don't star in a video. Or at least wear a mask.

Youtube is not family friendly. Tickling clips should be posted on youtube.

 

[RevolutionOfTK]

I just went to youtube and here are the featured videos I just found.

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<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VGDeA4papLg&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VGDeA4papLg&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8gAqJESKdpc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8gAqJESKdpc&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/F_UxLEqd074&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/F_UxLEqd074&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

Featured videos are the clips that appear on youtubes homepage. These clips alone show people how 'Family Friendly' youtube is.

 

[Goodieluver]

I think it's BS to say we shouldn't post it on youtube because kids might stumble across it. Check out the 'shows' section of youtube. I've seen a few boobs there. So obviously it's not that big of a concern. It's about money. If these producers were paying youtube youtube wouldn't have a problem.

Besides the tickling clips posted on youtube aren't going to vanish simply because a few people have a problem with it. Even if every producer on this site and the theater decided to stop posting tickling related stuff there it's not going to suddenly vanish. So really, what's the problem?

Problem 1: Kids stumble across it.
Solution: Parents moderate what your kids do and see online. Simple solution.

Problem 2: Protecting models
Solution: Don't star in a video. Or at least wear a mask.

Youtube is not family friendly. Tickling clips should be posted on youtube.

Or you could just get your tickling clip fix from here or "insert name" tube

Whats the big deal

as for the videos you posted
1. A satire newspaper
2. A game played by mostly kids and is fantasy
3. Dumbass kids
4. A movie trailer

Another problem with Youtube(and the others) is that it gives people the chance to steal producers' work and share them on youtube(full videos) and yes they are taken down but not until many prob download them, robbing the producer of their money

 

[RevolutionOfTK]

Goodieluver: Or you could just get your tickling clip fix from here or "insert name" tube

Insert what name? A lot of these sites people don't even know about.

Whats the big deal

as for the videos you posted
1. A satire newspaper
2. A game played by mostly kids and is fantasy
3. Dumbass kids
4. A movie trailer

Those clips don't exactly scream 'family friendly' now do they?

Another problem with Youtube(and the others) is that it gives people the chance to steal producers' work and share them on youtube(full videos) and yes they are taken down but not until many prob download them, robbing the producer of their money.

Welcome to any other website out there. Do you think these producers would be any safer if they did go to a porn related site? No of course not! Right now it's just making whatever excuse we can NOT to post on youtube. First it was protecting kids, then it was protecting models, now were on producers. What's next?

I'm sorry, but as a producer myself (not tickling) it comes with the territory. You either find ways to find it and eliminate it. Or you miss it and never find it. Simple as that. Just hope your fans are nice enough to let you know it's going on.

That's why producers here need to have a better relationship with their customers. I've seen too many producers giving attitudes. Too many telling people their opinions don't matter.

Also a lot of producers actually post on youtube. So obviously they aren't too afraid or put off by it.

So bottom line is this. As long as there is a youtube there will be people posting tickling related things. Just flag those that feature children taking 'requests' and let producers know when you see their stuff being posted.

 

[mabus]

Either obvious troll is obvious, or you're a raving weirdo.

I know we're all adults, and we all want to do whatever the fuck we want whenever the fuck we want to do it, and moderating our behaviour to show a bit of consideration for others is shit, but seriously. It's not hard to not put tickling clips on YouTube. No harder than it is to go to xxxTube-type sites to look for them. Or get them off the TMF. There's no need to post them on YouTube at all.

Not to mention YouTube baleets the fucking things whenever they're found, so they obviously find the content objectionable enough. Why do that to yourself? Why post clips/ use YouTube to find tickling clips then come here and moan when they get binned? Why not just post them somewhere else.




This would be an idea, although I think that was what the flagging system was meant to achieve.



Good point.

Forget the kids; show a bit of consideration for the models, perhaps? Especially considering a lot of them are university students doing the videos to earn a few extra quid here and there?

Oh no wait, that would require moderating our behaviour for the sake of another human being. We shouldn't do that because it denegrates our freedom, as responsible adults, to do whatever the fuck we feel like doing.



No it's not, but then again that's a totally different situation.

Did you buy the Penthouse for them? No. Okay.
Did you put it on the shelf where they could see it? No. Okay.
Are you responsible for the content of the corner-shop's magazine rack? No. Okay.

You are officially absolved of blame in the case of kids looking at a Penthouse, and there is no compunction on you to take it away from them.

If you upload a tickling clip to YouTube, and some kid finds it, you're responsible for leaving the tickling clip in a place where there's a chance that a kid might find it. You're as culpable as if you'd left your Paradise Vision DVD in the player, so all your little niece or nephew have to do is click Play.


Nobody's suggesting that being exposed to tickle fetish material is going to corrupt a child beyond all hope of redemption. Nobody is suggesting that being blahze about kids stumbling upon tickle clips makes you a paedophile. As Crazy Hard-Knock-Life Guy said, tickling is tame compared to most of the other shit out there, and I'd much rather my little niece accidentally caught a clip of some girl being tickled than I would if she caught Twink-Prison 4: The Prawn-Tail Chronicles or something.

All that said, tame as tickling is, it's still sexualised material; and while I agree that allowing kids to autonomously expose themselves to contentious real-world subjects (violence, radical religion, politics, etc) via the internet is a good thing to an extent, I just don't think the same thing applies to sexualised material.

You call me a troll and raving weirdo...then you contradict yourself and go on about how tickling is so tame....I'm a tad confused.....

Re-read my post (people have to do that a lot) I wouldn't let my kids on the internet in the first place! Especially little kids. The internet is a bastion of freedom. Most of my teachers...in college! wouldn't let us use the internet for papers, except to FIND books, since so much stuff online is complete fabrication. I sure as hell wouldn't let my students use online sources if I was a teacher. I don't want the kids coming back after researching their history paper, and have to spend the next few WEEKS trying to convince them that YES, September 11th did happen, it's not an illusion, it wasn't the government, etc. etc. YES, we did land on the damn moon. Yes, the Holocaust DID happen. On and on.

Why let children play online, and have to stand behind them THE ENTIRE time their on there? I'd rather them go to the library, or go play outside than be an online presence. (When I mentioned about some kids never grow up, adults being kids...Go work customer service for about a day, and see the man adults who act like damn children, if that was confusing.... that what made me so bitter after all these years, sorry for my aggravating mood...)

Yes, there are pedophiles online who hunt kids, and many do so by pretending to be kids. Being online obviously exposes them to those types.
Yes, there are sickos who ask girls to do all kinds of nasty things when they post videos on YouTube.

I'm saying the OPPOSITE of all your arguments should happen:

All those videos of kids being tickled should be removed!

Why in God's name would a parent post THOSE kinds of things online, of anything involving children, knowing what kinds of people live in this world?!

 

[Mister Scruff]

I think it's BS to say we shouldn't post it on youtube because kids might stumble across it. Check out the 'shows' section of youtube. I've seen a few boobs there. So obviously it's not that big of a concern. It's about money. If these producers were paying youtube youtube wouldn't have a problem.

I'm not convinced that's true.

Hey Google, you great monolithic multi-billion-dollar corporation, here's some money, please please please allow me to dampen the mass-market appeal of your hugely successful website by posting niche fetish erotica on it. Thanks, friend!

Besides the tickling clips posted on youtube aren't going to vanish simply because a few people have a problem with it. Even if every producer on this site and the theater decided to stop posting tickling related stuff there it's not going to suddenly vanish. So really, what's the problem?

That they shouldn't be there in the first place. YouTube obviously thinks so too; or did you think they binned your channel for copyright infringement?

I realise the futility of relying on other people to moderate their behaviour, but I don't think that's a reason to stop advocating it.

Problem 1: Kids stumble across it.
Solution: Parents moderate what your kids do and see online. Simple solution.

Problem 2: Protecting models
Solution: Don't star in a video. Or at least wear a mask.

Yup. Simple solutions. Much like uploading tickling clips to another site.

Youtube is not family friendly. Tickling clips should be posted on youtube.

Then so should scat clips and Iraqi hostage beheading videos. Fuck it, it's not family friendly, let's go nuts.

I just went to youtube and here are the featured videos I just found.

Featured videos are the clips that appear on youtubes homepage. These clips alone show people how 'Family Friendly' youtube is.

So because other people are doing it, it should be okay for us too? More adolescent reasoning.

You call me a troll and raving weirdo...then you contradict yourself and go on about how tickling is so tame....I'm a tad confused.....

How is that a contradiction? You ARE a raving weirdo, and compared to things like actual pornos tickling clips ARE tame. I don't see how one being true precludes the other one from being true also.

Tame as it is, it's still sexualised content.

Re-read my post (people have to do that a lot) I wouldn't let my kids on the internet in the first place!

Too much. The internet is indeed a wild and scary place, but I honestly don't think the wild and scary nature of the internet is something children should be kept away from. The real world is also a wild and scary place; are you going to prevent your kids from watching the news or going outside too?

The internet is a bastion of freedom.

Except for your children, obviously.

Most of my teachers...in college! wouldn't let us use the internet for papers, except to FIND books, since so much stuff online is complete fabrication. I sure as hell wouldn't let my students use online sources if I was a teacher. I don't want the kids coming back after researching their history paper, and have to spend the next few WEEKS trying to convince them that YES, September 11th did happen, it's not an illusion, it wasn't the government, etc. etc. YES, we did land on the damn moon. Yes, the Holocaust DID happen. On and on.

So you also fail to recognise the potential of the internet to be used as a learning tool. Utterly irrelevant to the thread, but interesting to note.

Why let children play online, and have to stand behind them THE ENTIRE time their on there? I'd rather them go to the library, or go play outside than be an online presence. (When I mentioned about some kids never grow up, adults being kids...Go work customer service for about a day, and see the man adults who act like damn children, if that was confusing.... that what made me so bitter after all these years, sorry for my aggravating mood...)

So your solution is to simply deprive them of access to a tool they're more than likely going to be working with in their future lives?

Yes, there are pedophiles online who hunt kids, and many do so by pretending to be kids. Being online obviously exposes them to those types.
Yes, there are sickos who ask girls to do all kinds of nasty things when they post videos on YouTube.

More waffle.

I'm saying the OPPOSITE of all your arguments should happen:

All those videos of kids being tickled should be removed!

Why in God's name would a parent post THOSE kinds of things online, of anything involving children, knowing what kinds of people live in this world?!

Because the internet is a bastion of freedom, and some people either don't know or don't care, for whatever reason, about the possible consequences of posting stuff on YouTube.

Also, where did I make the argument that videos of kids being tickled should remain online?

 

[The Last Laugh]

It's all been said before, but I just want to contribute personal reasons for not wanting my clips on YouTube are:

1) The models shouldn't have to worry about being seen on a mainstream site;

1) They're inappropriate for mainstream video sites (among other reasons because of minors, of course);

3) It's just pointless, since the previews can be seen on fetish sites and forums anyway. The vast majority of people aren't aware of such a thing as a tickling fetish, don't care, are offended by it or just find it plain silly or stupid (and they certainly make sure they let people know how they feel in their comments). People who do enjoy tickling can easily find actual tickling sites if they want to, including the main forums where you can find tons of free previews. Most probably already have. I mean, jeez, one of the very first things I did when I started exploring the Internet back in 1996 was to do a big search for tickling (don't most ticklephiles do the same)? I seriously doubt posting one's previews on YouTube does much to increase sales. So it serves little purpose for both consumers and producers.

Of course, one could argue that sometimes you can find full-length clips on YouTube, which you can't access on fetish sites without paying. But then it's just plain illegal. Even more than free previews, full-length clips have no business appearing on YouTube or other similar sites.

 

[cabalist]

While the term may be somewhat difficult to describe briefly, I think youtube is supposed to be a "mainstream" site. Is tickling fetish material "mainstream"? In my opinion, no.

So, my "analysis" is, since youtube tries to be/purports to be a "mainstream" site, not a "fetish" site, it's intended for "mainstream" material. Among obviously many other things, this might include videos with tickling in them posted by parents, kids, or just people "goofing around" for fun, or whatever. It might also include tickling from mainstream movies or TV shows, provided it isn't removed for alleged copyright violations or some such thing.

Is there plenty of "trash" on youtube besides tickling? Of course there is. There's plenty of trash on "mainstream" TV too. But, generally speaking, it's "mainstream" trash. In any case, as others here have suggested, just bcause there's stuff there which we might subjectively consider "trash" doesn't necessarily give someone a God-given "right" to post any and all one's own "trash" (which one has subjectively decided is "tamer" trash) there, or to complain when it's removed because youtube has far "worse" stuff -- in one's own biased, subjective opinion.

As for concern about "the children", I no more think it's anyone's responsibility to make the Internet a safe place for children to play than we expect busy highways in "the real world" to be a safe place to let small children play. Likewise, it's up to parents' to look out for their kid' interests and not let them play on the internet until they're old enough/mature enough to look out for themselves, just as no responsible parent allows a toddler to wander out into the middle of a busy interstate highway.

However, I don't think it's necessarily even "about" the children per se. You must realize that, as tickling fetishists, whether you want to admit it or not, you are essentially a bunch of perverts as far as the "mainstream" is concerned, and you have no right, nor necessarily any reasonable expectation, of being accepted by the mainstream as anything other than what you are. And, frankly, I personally think that, if anything, it "corrupts" the fetish even to try to get it "accepted" by the mainstream.

We're a bunch of fetishistic perverts and there are "appropriate places" for "people like us", and youtube isn't one of them...IMHO.

 

[rhiannon]

Reading Last Laugh's post brings up a new question for me: Why SHOULD tickling clips be posted on YouTube? What is the actual benefit from it?