Sick of idiots posting my content

[Comfort Eagle]

I commissioned a custom clip from Catherine Foxxx, which is now on Pornhun. This really pi**ed me off.

..'Custom' as in just you were supposed to have it? Then how the fuck did it leak at all?

 

[Park CollegeO]

..'Custom' as in just you were supposed to have it? Then how the fuck did it leak at all?

I commissioned 2 customs with TA, both of them are on Pornhub as well.

The way it happens is just like any other clip. The customs are also available on the clips4sale store, so the people who steal cc's and identities just buy the clip from there and post them

 

[Tickle Abuse]

I'm sorry to hear this is happening to you, or anyone else. I'm a significantly smaller Producer in this community. Some may not even consider me a player in the game, but I have seen a sharp decline in sales Over the years and, even worse, ads that used to get me a dozen potential tickle models rarely ever get me ONE. Due to our proximity, I've worked with a handful of models with whom you've worked. They all loved the experience, but they all said they hope the images go where they are intended. I'm all for progress, but it almost seems as if technology on the internet is growing more quickly than we can keep up with. And with no real regulation, what's yours becomes fair game and that's a real shame.
Sorry, I don't have any solution, but your post made me want to say something.

Yes, piracy hurts us but not more than how much it scares away potential models.

 

[Myriads]

I have a lot of experience in this area.

First up, pornhub and other sites operate under a 'hold harmless' set of laws that protect them from what is posted upon their sites. Basically the law says you can't sue pornhub like sites because your stuff is on them, so long as they offer a way for you to enforce your copyrights. And that is the DNMC takedown system. You report and they kill it. They will NEVER offer anyone outside a kill switch, as what would stop such a entity from deleting anything and everything? Nothing. So no producer will get that magic button. You need to rely upon the takedown process.

And for a bigger operation it's a full-time job. One person can spend all day just issuing takedowns. I help several cam-models do this, and also issue them for tickling videos I see also if I'm in the neighborhood and have time AND the producer has given me an option to do it for them. The process is easy, and even easier with cut and past forms you can build, but it's bailing out the ocean. You never get ahead.

Why do people do it?

There are several reasons:

The Robin Hood: This poster is all about giving it to the Man! He's spreading the wealth and making sure those files are free as the cyber gods intended!

The Micro-Proffiteere: Every click, every view, makes the poster a fraction of a cent. Or they have managed to get an ad tagged in. They are using others content to drive clicks and other money making schemes.

Mr Big Dick: He posts his stuff to show everyone HOW MUCH STUFF HE HAS *Preen*.

The Cockwrench: He's pissed at company/model 'X' for some reason (real or imagined) and he's going to FUCK THEIR SHIT UP! by spreading it all over the web for free.

The Librarian: He wants all his stuff to be available from any computer anyplace. So putting it on such sites is the OBVIOUS answer.

Those are the big groups and they all ignore the effects they cause, and mostly don't care.

All their behaviors are rooted in very basic psychological reasons, and you can't engineer a solution around those, because the world keeps making more people with them. Thus you are back to bailing out the ocean.

How do people find these models years after?

Reverse image search, and the oncoming facial recognition search systems (Give it a photo, and they go out and search the web for images that match using facial recognition coding. They are good and they are coming. Googles is in Beta) Often the first photo leads to other photos and then to links to videos. It's not hard to pry a persons life open with a good facial shot.

Privacy, always an illusionary 'right' has left the room. You only have as much of it as you can afford. And it is EXPENSIVE. And even then it's not a sure thing. Ask the few dozen top end celebrity females that enjoyed the 'Fappening' last year. Even with all their power and wealth nudes of them were spread worldwide.

Tommy has a very very valid reason for wanting to stop his material being poached onto other sites. The security of his former employees. And he is trying got live up to a promise he made at a time when I wager he had no way to imagine what todays web would be like. It may well prove that he will not be able to keep that word, as it is virtually impossible in todays technological climate. But he's clearly acting in as much good faith as he can.

I'll say the best option he has is to hire someone(s) to represent him and send takedowns every day. If it's in trade for open access to his catalog then it's a pretty fair deal financially for him. And those that take up that job will do A LOT of takedowns. Probably the best solution he'll manage.

Myriads

 

[Marvel_Tickling]

I commissioned 2 customs with TA, both of them are on Pornhub as well.

The way it happens is just like any other clip. The customs are also available on the clips4sale store, so the people who steal cc's and identities just buy the clip from there and post them

Presumably that's the way. I had no idea it was even on the c4s site!

 

[ElFewja]

Piracy has been around as long as the internet has been, so yes, it is naive to think that your (anyone's) content is safe from it. It has just been an issueof distribution and download speeds (read: locations to find material and length of time to acquire said material). MP3s have been pirated since 1999/2000 if I recall and I was able to find tickling videos as early as 2003. I can't even say it's more prominent now because there are so many more videos (being produced) out there.

The current tickle-media model just isn't designed for anti-piracy. Access limited streams would probably be better to prevent it but they're going to probably be more costly, too.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Main thing I wanted to say is: I'm pretty sure none of you is crystal clear. You've probably downloaded (from illegal sources, like torrents or so) a computer game, new MS Office, a DVD rip of a movie, a serial key, an e-book or an mp3 file you should've paid for one day. And if you did, complaining on people sharing files on pornhub makes you hypocrites..

Really? So if you’ve once in your life gone 60 in a 55 zone, you’re a hypocrite if you say it’s wrong from someone to drive toward a school zone at 3 pm when they are so drunk they can’t walk? After all, you’ve violated traffic laws yourself ... No, it’s not so black and white. People who don’t act perfectly 100% of the time are still allowed to call out wrongful conduct, particularly if the wrongful conduct is at a higher level of wrong.

 

[OmahaTickler]

Hear, hear, I'm sick of this gotcha bullshit. Our fetish, frankly, is not garden-variety porn. You literally have to look for it on purpose to find it. It's that specialized. Whoever's finding it MUST be looking for it.

 

[NY ler]

Chicago - who is to say what's a wrong conduct? Is it ok to download music that you didn't pay for but not ok to download TA clips? Is it ok to download a copy of Microsoft office? If anyone here has pirated ANYTHING in their lives, and I bet that 99.99% of people here have, you cannot possibly be in a position against piracy of TA material. Does it make on that Apple is a billion dollar company and TA isn't? NO.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Chicago - who is to say what's a wrong conduct? Is it ok to download music that you didn't pay for but not ok to download TA clips? Is it ok to download a copy of Microsoft office? If anyone here has pirated ANYTHING in their lives, and I bet that 99.99% of people here have, you cannot possibly be in a position against piracy of TA material. Does it make on that Apple is a billion dollar company and TA isn't? NO.

NY ler, why don’t you respond to my analogy, if you are stating your disagreement with my point? The point of the analogy is, not all wrongs are equal. It is absolutely consistent to say, “Ok, I stole a $1 song that I should have paid for, and having done it once, I’m not losing a ton of sleep over it. But if some other guy is pirating in a way that is causing a young lady to lose her job, is made aware of that fact, and continues anyway, he’s an asshole, and my little $1 song grab may not be a good act, but what the other guy is doing is in an entirely different scale and I can be outraged (and so should you)." By the way, not that it matters for my argument, but I’ve never illegally copied anything.

 

[C.A.B.]

I don't think the issue is whether people will or will not watch posted/pirated tickle clips if they are presented.

I think the issue at hand, for Producers that care, is the folks that do the actual posting. Again, stopping that would be a monumental task, as they keep making more of those people that do it. The only way I can think of dampening it is to put the onus on the sites that host with the threat of legal action. And that again is a monumental and costly task.

I've seen my own work re-posted from here to Timbuktu within a half-hour of posting... but, of course, I really don't give a shit. People can tattoo my art on their butts for all I care... I'm too busy with the next big thing.

 

[NY ler]

Chicago, stealing $1 may not hurt anyone, but what about $10, $2,500, etc... Who's to decide what's ok and what's not ok?

If you NEVER illegally pirated anything or watched something that has been copywrited, then you're a saint and you are in the .001% minority. But the vast majority are guilty of what they're accusing those who post TA material on pornhub.

Does the TA producer have the right to get mad. Oh 100% absolutely, but that isn't the argument.

 

[Guinea Pig]

I am about to hire someone to do just this. One person whose job is to find and submit DMCA complaints could make a huge difference.

One of my models who still wants to work but not participate in videos is one candidate. If anyone here thinks they can do it, PM me. I will in real money or videos lol.

did you try services like piracypitbull.com?

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Chicago, stealing $1 may not hurt anyone, but what about $10, $2,500, etc... Who's to decide what's ok and what's not ok?

If you NEVER illegally pirated anything or watched something that has been copywrited, then you're a saint and you are in the .001% minority. But the vast majority are guilty of what they're accusing those who post TA material on pornhub.

Does the TA producer have the right to get mad. Oh 100% absolutely, but that isn't the argument.

Dude, whether on purpose or by accident, you keep responding but ignoring my argument. So I won’t reply again, because I’m just repeating myself. The point is, there are degrees of wrongdoing. And if someone is guilty of a minor degree of wrongdoing, s/he isn’t a hypocrite if s/he finds a much higher degree of wrongdoing to be repugnant.

I’m no saint, I’m just fortunate enough to have enough $ that I don’t really care if I buy clips, songs at regular price. If I couldn’t afford it, who knows what choice I’d make.

 

[NY ler]

You keep saying that there are these degrees of wrongdoings and I keep asking you who says which degrees are ok and which are not?

 

[ChicagoDavid]

You keep saying that there are these degrees of wrongdoings and I keep asking you who says which degrees are ok and which are not?

I’m not saying that one degree is “okay” and another isn’t. I'm saying that a larger degree of wrongdoing is worse, which I would think is obvious. If a larger degree of wrongdoing is worse, then we can and should be more bothered by it.

You really have trouble saying that it’s worse to pirate and post in a manner that costs someone their job, even after being advised that is what is happening, than to steal a $1 clip? It seems obvious to me. You really have trouble saying that stealing $1000 in clips is worse than stealing $1 in clips? Again, that seems obvious to me. If you need a formal endorsement, most of our criminal laws provide for different degrees of penalty based on the degree of the crime. If you are speeding, the ticket is for more money if you are 20 miles over rather than 5 miles over, even though both are speeding. Stealing larger amounts lands one’s theft into a different category than a smaller theft. So, to take one example, our legal system routinely says that we should be more concerned by higher degrees of wrongdoing than smaller degrees of wrongdoing.

 

[NY ler]

I did not say that different levels of stealing are equal. What I did say is that everyone (99.99% of people here, with exception of some saints like yourself) steal some information. Who decides which information it's ok to steal and which it isn't.

Is it any better to steal a copy of Microsoft Office, valued at $300 than a TA clip valued at $10?

What about 20 songs from Apple valued at $1 per song, is that any better?

How about buying a bootleg DVD, is that less harsh?

See my point here? Tommy is a hero here and everyone jumps on his bandwagon expressing disgust in people who post his stuff, but I'm pointing out that these people who accuse others need to stop being hippocrates.

And please don't tell me it's solely the fault of the person who posts it and not the fault of the viewers. Did you see how many thousands viewed each clip? And obviously most of those viewers derived from TMF, so let's cut the crap of pretending we're all in such disbelief here.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

I understand your points, I just disagree with you. Well, actually, I agree with one of your points, that stealing from Microsoft isn’t okay.

 

[ticklerokla]

The question is how do you make the content disappear when it's shared on TOR? Out of curiosity I went looking and there are quite a few extensive archives on the deep web. It's all new to me but I was able to find what I found. I was really hoping for some unpublished and never before seen content, like actually finding the stash of tickle clips in my dream at a site that doesn't really exist.

 

[OfficerMIke89]

I've wondered the same thing...ESPECIALLY a niche video like Tickling.

There are, at this point, at least hundreds of thousands, if not millions of porn clips out there.
Hell, I've scanned a great many tickling and pantyhose clips, have never seen one person I've ever met, ever...and have also, being in this "world," never
"stumbled onto," say, a clown fetish or other strange fetish area, though I know they exist.

Those models should really just throw it back in their bosses face (okay, they'd probably lose their jobs quicker...) but seriously, I'd be like,
"Uhh....SO...you have a tickle fetish! That's so cool! I can't wait to tell everybody!" or
"So, how'd you run into that clip again..out of the millions of porn clips on the internet?" or
...gosh, SO many ways they could have fun with that, if they know they are getting fired.

I'd also throw out the wonderful phrase, in our hyper offended/militant-feminist/"rape culture" whatever world we live in..... SEXUAL HARASSMENT!

"So, boss man......what does my private sex life have in an way, shape matter or form have to do with my job, and....Were you looking me up online? Like, STALKING me?!"

I do not really have a problem with people knowing I have a tickle fetish. Probably the boss would be more flattered than offended. I made it clear on some public sites that I have a tickle fetish and put my photo on. I dont get what's so embarrassing about having a tickle fetish. People who know me know that my ticklishness surpasses the ticklishness of a princess and I have been tickled in public in front of other people enough times and didn't have a problem with it. Damn it people, you are americans, one would expect you to be more open minded and less conservative. As for copyright infringement it has always been and will be. It's not that bad, and you and anyone should only complain if you never infringed copyright.

 

[OfficerMIke89]

I have a lot of experience in this area.

First up, pornhub and other sites operate under a 'hold harmless' set of laws that protect them from what is posted upon their sites. Basically the law says you can't sue pornhub like sites because your stuff is on them, so long as they offer a way for you to enforce your copyrights. And that is the DNMC takedown system. You report and they kill it. They will NEVER offer anyone outside a kill switch, as what would stop such a entity from deleting anything and everything? Nothing. So no producer will get that magic button. You need to rely upon the takedown process.

And for a bigger operation it's a full-time job. One person can spend all day just issuing takedowns. I help several cam-models do this, and also issue them for tickling videos I see also if I'm in the neighborhood and have time AND the producer has given me an option to do it for them. The process is easy, and even easier with cut and past forms you can build, but it's bailing out the ocean. You never get ahead.

Why do people do it?

There are several reasons:

The Robin Hood: This poster is all about giving it to the Man! He's spreading the wealth and making sure those files are free as the cyber gods intended!

The Micro-Proffiteere: Every click, every view, makes the poster a fraction of a cent. Or they have managed to get an ad tagged in. They are using others content to drive clicks and other money making schemes.

Mr Big Dick: He posts his stuff to show everyone HOW MUCH STUFF HE HAS *Preen*.

The Cockwrench: He's pissed at company/model 'X' for some reason (real or imagined) and he's going to FUCK THEIR SHIT UP! by spreading it all over the web for free.

The Librarian: He wants all his stuff to be available from any computer anyplace. So putting it on such sites is the OBVIOUS answer.

Those are the big groups and they all ignore the effects they cause, and mostly don't care.

All their behaviors are rooted in very basic psychological reasons, and you can't engineer a solution around those, because the world keeps making more people with them. Thus you are back to bailing out the ocean.

How do people find these models years after?

Reverse image search, and the oncoming facial recognition search systems (Give it a photo, and they go out and search the web for images that match using facial recognition coding. They are good and they are coming. Googles is in Beta) Often the first photo leads to other photos and then to links to videos. It's not hard to pry a persons life open with a good facial shot.

Privacy, always an illusionary 'right' has left the room. You only have as much of it as you can afford. And it is EXPENSIVE. And even then it's not a sure thing. Ask the few dozen top end celebrity females that enjoyed the 'Fappening' last year. Even with all their power and wealth nudes of them were spread worldwide.

Tommy has a very very valid reason for wanting to stop his material being poached onto other sites. The security of his former employees. And he is trying got live up to a promise he made at a time when I wager he had no way to imagine what todays web would be like. It may well prove that he will not be able to keep that word, as it is virtually impossible in todays technological climate. But he's clearly acting in as much good faith as he can.

I'll say the best option he has is to hire someone(s) to represent him and send takedowns every day. If it's in trade for open access to his catalog then it's a pretty fair deal financially for him. And those that take up that job will do A LOT of takedowns. Probably the best solution he'll manage.

Myriads

Like I said before, the Robin guys are good. And if you never infringed copyright, than by all means judge. Paying for expensive shit that you can judge by a preview and may even dislike after...sorry, but I'm all for giving it for free, if you like it you may pay, if you don't, you don't use it anyway. Same goes for video games. Copyright protection does video games more harm than good. Just look at Dragon Age inquisition. Denuvo may suck. Another problem is that online buying is not even available in certain countries whereas porn sites are. So if you don't even have the courtesy to mske your shit available, no wonder people steal it.

 

[C.A.B.]

This thread has become Troll bait. *yawn.

 

[ClickChix]

Why does anyone post my videos on pornhub and other sites, what the hell do you get out of it? I am telling you will soon get something out if you will not like. I am reaching my limit of tolerance, I am even considering asking my attorney to figure out a way to sue anyone who does. Why? I don't care so much about the money, though I lose some through piracy, it doesn't concern me much. But models who years ago I promised that my content will only be posted on tickling relevant sites lives are now being affected by assholes posting my content anywhere and everywhere. A few models in particular send me links weekly and I am sick of this. Some models think it may even be me posting my videos for advertising purposes. You are making me look bad which I take personally. You make the tickling community look bad as well, I take that personally too. It may or may not be possible to subpoena file sharers, some have tried in the past with mixed success. I am no longer going to let it slide, be prepared. I would however give plenty of notice before I decided to make a move, my goal isn't to punish even the file sharers, I just want this shit to end.

AGREED thank you for posting this Tommy

xoxo
C

 

[Oddjob0226]

You keep saying that there are these degrees of wrongdoings and I keep asking you who says which degrees are ok and which are not?

Laws, for one entity.

The originators of the content, for another, in this specific instance.

Hosting sites that choose to put a takedown system in place, for another, since they have that sense of right and wrong and a corporate grasp of the various degrees.

Imperfect humans who are yet endowed with a generally basic and agreed-upon moral fiber for another.

You're over 18. You shouldn't need to have any more of these listed.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Damn it people, you are americans, one would expect you to be more open minded and less conservative.

You didn't forget that we were founded by Catholics and Puritans who though England was too raucous for the safety of their immortal souls, did you?

And if you never infringed copyright, than by all means judge.

Since I've been "clean" for about 15 years, I shall. I used to send Tommy links to wherever I'd see his stuff posted without authorization. I eventually stopped; I would be at it the bulk of the day, it is all so prevalent now with those "expensive" $9.99 clips showing up everywhere. You know, out of "curtesy."