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Star Wars Tickle Torture! (*/ Princess Leia)

Well thank you.

I shouldn't be given too much credit for this picture however, at least not for the appeal. If it wasn't for the actual scenes in ROTJ (and Carrie Fisher fans) this picture probably wouldn't have been as appealing if say for example this didn't happen in the movie, Leia being done up in a bikini.

I wonder if more pictures would get alot of hits all around like this one did if it was her mother instead. There are artists already that have made a tickle version of the whole "sign the treaty or else" sort of stance Padme was faced with and it seemed to work for them.
 
True. Personally when it comes to female chars in the SW universe... i find most canon a bit... boring so to speak.
Except perhaps Daala and Isard.
But than again I'm a fan of the Empire and the Darkside. And since the Empire is a bit sexist plus militaristic (and females aren't a majority in any army) that might be partially the reason.
A nice personal design is at times much more interesting like that Dark Jedi pic you made.
But that's just an opinion.
 
Lovely drawing. But it would be better if the "victim" were princess Amidala. Woundn´t it?
 
@ Darth Vegeta-

Yeah, women don't get enough spotlight in the imperial military. They ARE there, but they are in the form of obscured officer and cadets, and recruites who never really ammount to anything.

Admiral Daala is of course a grand exception. Admiral is not an easy rank to attain no matter what gender you are. The fact she has that kind of respect and status says alot about her character. Its a shame that such characters have to virtually forego their femininity to make it and Daala has and hasn't.

Leia on the other hand goes full circle in the female experience while achieving a status that goes beyond military ranks. To face Palpatine himself, with her being pregnant, and keeping her cool, that takes alot of guts.

Although it could be argued that simply out of respect the name of "Skywalker" still carries alot of weight in the galaxy, and while Palpatine only ever saw Vader as a puppet, he truely fears with dread Leia, her children, and her brother.

Thats one of the thinks in retrospect that balance everything out. Palpatine may have control over everything, more or less, but one family has the power to stop him. Interesting how it all balances out, huh?

@ Rattigan-

Thank you, and welcome to the site, whether that be as a newcomer or a former lurker.

As to answer your comment/question, as you can see in earlier posts the idea has been talked about. What I'm thinking is not whether or not it would be "better" to see Padme (Amidala) but that it would be as successful as this picture.
 
Funny thing is Daala is still only a moderate Admiral.
In the end she is no match for the skill of Thrawn and Isard.
She is competent but not overly so.
Though Thrawn is my favourite officer in the Imperial military... place nr2 goes to Pellaeon.
The most underrated Imperial ever.
Was there from the start... efficient, modest and not evil at all. Than again neither are Thrawn and Daala... unlike Isanne Isard.
Plus he saved the day for the Empire... and than was a crucial factor in the NJO war.
I'm glad he survived... the guy deserves it with his persistent and exemplary resumé.

When it comes to Dark Jedi... the females are usual most vile, and irritating... even 'plain'. With the exception of Sariss from Jedi Knight which thanks to the short stories published seems to have some unexpected depth. (I love Jerec and Yun. Cool char design)

For the good guys... never liked Leia much. Padme is a Leia lookalike with an irritating character.
Mara Jade is too much used.
Which leaves the other EU chars.
Off which I only like Aayla Secura and Tenel Ka... to a limited degree.
I don't mind having women in a story... but sometimes it feels like some off them are in their so there are women with results to be expected. But than again that's always the case with political correctness.
Off course it could also be the fact that heroes... the real LIGHTSIDE heroes are always a bit flat and personalityless... .

In defence of Vader... he did save the day. The funny thing is... that overconfident as Palpatine was he never saw it coming from Vader.
But in the defence of the Empire... their measures were drastic but they did make a few good points about the previous system... and the New Republic seems to be heading the same way.

Hate the NJO saga mostly btw (;
 
@ Darth Vegeta-

Yeah, theres alot of underated imperial officers. Theres one I like inparticular, I don't know what became of him and I don't know too much about him. I think his name is Pter Thannas. For an imperial is is actually a very nice guy, and is often sent on diplomatic missions.

Thrawn is perhaps the most tactifully genius of the admirals, that I know of anyways. Considering that he basically overhauled what was left of the imperial factions after Palpatine was supposedly dead, adding shields to tie interceptors, his very daring campaigns, etc., definitely make him a note-worthy character.

As for Vader, you actually brought up an interesting point. I actually think Palpatine didn't trust Vader completely. Palpatine sensed a change in Vader when he was battling Luke the first time.

In a more meaningful way, one could say Vader betrayed Palpatine the moment he realized his humanity and identity of Anakin Skywalker. And it was as simple as meeting his only son for the first time. That was truely the start of the rekindling of his spirit and soul.

I hear that in the ESB novel, after C3PO was shot, that before he was put to the scrap heap, Vader held C3PO's head to his chest in rememberance of the his youth and in having built this cyborg.

So this is just one(two) examples of several that Anakin was not completely lost and still a viable threat. The utlimate proof was the most obvious, and that was in his saving his son and thus saving his own soul and going back to the Light.

Anyways, I think because of alot of these things, Palpatine KNEW Vader was going to turn on him, but he was so caught up in killing Luke that he probably forgot Vader was even there.

"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor, he has forseen this, it is your destiny." Perhaps Palpatine's foresight could only do so much, and the Force wasn't clear to him to the point where it really would happen that Anakin, A SKYWALKER, was to kill him, not necessarily his son.

As powerful as Palpatine is, especially in his ability to predict the future and turn people to the darkside, theres things even he overlooked.

"A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor."- Vader

"Yes, I know."- Palpatine

".......my son is with them..."- Vader

"Are you sure?"- Palpatine

"I have FELT him, my master."- Vader

".......strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader?"- Palpatine

"They ARE clear, master."- Vader

Vader could sense what Palpatine could not because he and Luke are family and have a spiritual bond the way a mother does to her childen, that 6th sense mothers tend to have when their children are away. It was vice versa for Luke to his father:

"Your thoughts betray you, father. I feel the good in you, the conflict."- Luke

"There is no conflict."- Vader

Palpatine's whole agenda in pitting Luke and Anakin against eachother was that either way he was confident he would have an apprentice at the end.

If Luke wins (which is what he wants since Anakin is getting older and less capable), then he has a new, young apprentice. This is actually a revelation of something to happen later, in Dark Empire.

If Vader wins, his journey towards the darkside will not only be complete but will be dominated. Anakin will lose whatever is left of his soul. Palpatine wants this because then his suspicion of Vader in his visions will be put to rest and Vader's loyalty will be proven.

As for another oversight, lets not forget the Ewoks. While I'm sure Palpatine sensed life on Endor, he didn't sense it was capable of fighting an army.

Can we chalk all of this up to Palpatine just being really old and his ability to use the Force (while still the best in the known galaxy) has been dimmished? Or perhaps Palpatine allowed all of this in retrospect.

We may never know, but its for reasons like this that Palpatine is my all time favorite character in Star Wars.

@ TLD (if you're even read this far down or skipped it lol)-

Thank you. I'm glad you like it. 🙂
 
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True. Vader's Quest, Shadows of the Empire etc clearly show these thoughts.
I merely meant that at that time Palpatine didn't see it coming. He was too caught up in his triumph.

In a way Vader is underrated too... but as an officer.
He's always evaluated as a Jedi and a baddie but he has other skills too.
The piloting skills he shows off in the EU are phenomenal. In Shadows of the Empire he a fleet by himself.
He is clearly superior to the Jedi pilots and Luke in that regard.
As a leader of men... he is brutal but as Thrawn ones says he has a good grasp of tactics. And boosted with his experience in the Clone Wars and his foresight he shows he can be a lethal commander. Like during the treason story arc where Palpatine and Vader become targets for assassination.
He also sees the flaws in Palpatine's plan for Endor. In fact he frequently sees such flaws.
Palpatine is a great politician and planner but lacks pragmatism at times... and is overconfident.
Palpatine weakens mentally while Vader seems to mature in the EU. The few things released prior to Episode IV show him doubtful... a bit weakened still. While as EU advances in time he clearly grows and truly shows the potential too become worse than Palpatine.
The one flaw and that was well shown in Rebellion is that he lacks charisma and diplomacy.
But as Shadows of the Empires shows us he has enough grasp off politics and diplomacy to keep from toppling over.
At heart he thinks as a warrior. He adores combat etc. He's after all the Scifi equivalent of a Dark Knight.
Where Palpatine is more a Necromancer.

I adored Vader from the first time I saw him... at age 5 or so. And I still do 🙂
And I'm heading for 21 in February. (laughs) 🙂
I always had a fondness for tragic heroes, Dark Knights and grey 'heroes'.
 
@ Vladislaus Dracula
Thanks for your welcome message. Yes, you are right, but if I said "better" is only because Natalie Portman is my favourite actress, so I´m quite parcial with all that involves her. I should have said what you say. But errare humanum est.
 
Yes, Vader is rarely brought up as a commander in his own right or a leader. Theres so much to be said.

Your analogy of Vader being a dark or "black knight" and Palpatine a necromancer is really interesting and completely true in it's own way. Vader was always a rouge. And in the time period, "black knights" as they were called were the elite rouges of their time. Vader is unpredictable much like that, and though he follows a hiearchy and respects it, he's beholden to no one.

A black knight would do the right thing if it was a matter of honor and rightiousness, but most likely would not care for the lordship he found himself under.

And in this same way, I believe Anakin didn't want the Empire to be the way it was. His vision was not Palpatine's vision.

Palpatine promised law and order, and thats what Anakin needed in his life, thats what he wanted, that kind of control to make sure the right things happen. He just didn't have the power, the authority rather, to do anything about it. He could have staged a coup, but probably would have died trying. I'm sure Palpatine has elite guards and perhaps a faction of the imperial army that is loyal only to him.

I think Anakin was disgusted with it all, but just went along with it because he had to and while he may not have agreed with it, he realized it was the fastest way to achieve what he personally wanted to see. This was one of his greatest weaknesses, his impatience. Palpatine is all about patience. Anakin lacked vision at the time and was doing what he thought was right, and on the exterior, it even seemed right.

I think this opinion is validated to a degree when he trys to reason with Luke on the chasm's edge in Cloud City. Some, perhaps most would say he was just saying these things to get Luke to join him. But like Dooku to Ben in that isolation chamber, I think Vader was being sincere and genuine with Luke.

"We can put an end to this distructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy!"

He saw an opportunity to make things right. He didn't know how he was going to do it, but he wanted to. Thats one way to look at it, and another validating factor in why Palpatine wanted to be rid of Vader at that point.

Well, I've got to be going now, we'll pick up later if you want.

I'm glad we did this. :happy:
 
Rattigan said:
@ Vladislaus Dracula
Thanks for your welcome message. Yes, you are right, but if I said "better" is only because Natalie Portman is my favourite actress, so I´m quite parcial with all that involves her. I should have said what you say. But errare humanum est.
Click to expand...

I understand. :happy: I have a soft spot for Ms. Portman as well. She's got that girl-next-door quality to her, that mixture of oridinary and mundane while being exceptional and majestic at the same time. She gives off a good aura to me, and she seems like a good, wholesome person.

She doesn't act like a princess at all (although she's played one. 😉 )
 
Hmmm actually Vader believes he's right. And in a way he is. He believes in the New Order and the pragmatic, rational but also ruthless approach off it.
But he finds Palpatine a weak spot later on. And in a way he is right.
I can find myself more in some of the ideals of the Empire than the Republic.
Which in all honesty is clearly not as democratic and just as one thinks.
If you see the new trilogy and read the EU closely they aren't exactly good to the people either 😛 Corrupt. etc.
They themselves (the state) doesn't harm the people directly but their indifference and corruption allow everyone with some power to abuse and do it.
The Empire is harsh, radical and downright fascistical but it is a fact that certainly at the start their is a sick twisted equality. Also the Empire is more stable. And the official fact files in one of them says that Criminality and decadence never were at such a low before than.
Problem is the Empire topples into extremise... like always in history.
Than again who knows it might have softened if it had gotten the time to do so.
Because the Rebellion... the Empire can never 'ease' down so to speak.
Also as soon as the Empire falls a New Republic is made. And in my opinion it's heading right into the same problematic system as the first. Militarily weak, much more individualistic and capitalistic it's letting planets go solo, is too weak to deal with too many small threats and problems and from day one there is internal strife.

What amazes me also is... How badly they deal with the Remnant.
In fact I admire those systems as I do the Hapes Consortium.
At least those are truly stable.

I do hope that if anything is published in the EU after NJO... the Remnant Faction in the Outer Rim will be deepened out. As those finally reached a better system. Part Republic, part Imperial. A compromise. Too bad they are so weak now.
Still they and some of the other factions outshone the inefficient Republican behemoth in the NJO era.

Now just for a Dark Jedi Order serving the Remnant and... (grins)

Well have fun 🙂
Glad there are alot of intelligent SW fans out there who try to look behind the plot itself for other things.
 
"I'm sorry, but that sounds an aweful lot like a dictatorship to me."- Padme Naberrie, Senator

"Whatever works."- Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice (Episode II)

That sums his opinion up, I suppose. ^^
 
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Yep. He's a pragmatic. But he has got a point. History is filled with Republics and other systems with Democratic content which become worse than an autocratic policestate.
In some cases... the 'New Order' afterwards was better.
But it all depends on who's in command.
Problem is... . An autocratic state is as strong as the top. So either very strong or very weak usually. And the other systems are mediocre and take time to go to their ending.
You either get an Augustus, a Napoleon or a Claudius... and things go great or...
you end up with Hitler... and that is NOT good.

Funny thing is... the leaders who serve a strange ideology (plus the occassional madmen like Caligulla) are the bad leaders. The good ones are usually conservative and autocratic and/or Imperialistic but basing it all on pragmatic and rational reasoning without falling into extreme lines of thought.
Dunno where you live but here in Europe the balance has been forced to the left... the pressure is rising and in a decade or so... it will be so hard to keep there it'll backlash and head to a new extreme right.
And than nobody will say it was 'their' fault.

Personally I have sympathies for the original system and goals off Mussolini before the war. Fascism (difference with Nazism) was atually rather good. (and the other regimes flirted with him to have his allegiance) than he showed his stupidity and aided Hitler.

Oh well... the future isn't looking all that bright.
And it's all because the leading class of Europe is stuck in a financial and moral dreamworld... .
 
I think its a matter of balance really. I know it seems like I'm trivializing it, but I'm not. But its true, most world powers, even fictional ones are too right or left wing for their own good.

In Star Wars, suppose Palpatine WASN'T a Sith, and wasn't evil, in the literal sense, and was just an ambitious senator. Suppose rather than sabotaging his superior's position and taking it for himself, he was ellected Supreme Chancellor anyways legitimately.

Now suppose everything else turned out the way it did. Would it have been so bad? I don't think so. Certainly, the imperial army would not be as brutal if he was not so harsh and evil and people would have less to fear, there would be no Death Star, etc., no need for any of that. Just really strong local law enforcement would have been enough.

The fact he's evil incarnate is a plot device to grab our attention and make us hate him (or love him) and thats great and all, but if you take that away, you would take away the extremities of his rule. And if you take that away, that would have left the galaxy in a much better way, under his rule, even if it was tight.

Because then its no longer a matter of conquest, but of law and order. And what the hell is wrong with that? LOL

We all want it whether we admit it or not, we need it, we crave it, yet we defy those who would bring it. Its illogical.

We're not afraid of them, we're afraid of ourselves, and thats sad.

(EDIT: I believe this is the control Anakin wanted the whole time, as I mentioned earlier. But because Palpatine is evil, its too extreme. This is the "order" Vader said he and Luke could bring together, if Palpatine was to be eliminated.).
 
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We all want it whether we admit it or not, we need it, we crave it, yet we defy those who would bring it. Its illogical.

Couldn't have put it any better.
You're an intelligent person.

People are inheritently evil... or rather... 'primal'.
Order and civilization are imposed out of necessity.
Basically it's a conflict between heart/Body versus mind and ratio.
People live for themselves... but can't for if everyone only does that... we'll damage ourselves too.

Mankind is a funny species. 🙂
Never learns of history with the exception of a few.
Always hovers between utopian ideals/ left 'joy'... messes up by exceeding and than has to radicalize to keep from falling into oblivion. Ending up in an 'emergency' autocratic situation. The 'tyrant' or party either 'saves' the day or ends up getting corrupted.
And than it restarts. People are either 1) traumatized by the excesses of the tyrant. or 2) malcontent with necessary measures (cutbacks, militarism, conservative ideals, taxes etc) (here you see the hypocracy we all share. When the citizen needs to make 'sacrifices')
and than they orientate themselves to a more utopic system again that's more leftwinged/Democratic (or nowadays purely demagogic... is that corectly translated?).
There is wealth, happyness and a charade. Than corruption and moral decadence return. Things become unstable. There are setbacks and the loop continues... you go back to Rightism.

Personally I'm rightist... not center right, not radical right. Just right. I value morals, family, military, politics, honour,... Though in Belgium me and about 20 percent of the Flemmish population vote one a 'psuedo radical rightist party... as everybody else is either corrupt, leftist or just don't care about us.

In any case... I believe it was Thuycidides... a Greek Historian who wrote the Peleponassean War (or was it someone else not sure) who had the following view on evolution of the system. I just 'modernized' it a bit:

1) Dictatorship/Autocratic society. Strong leader unites all
2) Monarchy or something similar grows from strong leader. Emperors, Kings, etc... . Usually militaristic. And having heights and lows.
(best example Imperial Rome and Medieval Royal dynasties)
3) Monarchy starts to falter: Aristocracy arises... . Old values, elitary group... takes over and brings back former glory.
4) Oligarchy. Small group rules. Becomes more decadent etc...
5) 'Revolution'. You get a Republic... or in theory a Democracy. (Democracy is the most humane of systems but flawed. And never truly reached) Another moment of glory.
6) Demagogy (Europe's current system. And a possible future for the US. Than again... the US is an exception for everything almost) Decadence, utopic views, lack of morals, corruption, Democracy is a word 'used' and 'overused' and in general 'abused'. Laws rule not people. Has an elitary class too but focussed on limited aspects. Usually overly left. Overly utopic. Very individualistic.
7) System falters: System degenerates. People flock to the banner of the strong and powerful leaders who see opportunities to finally rise. Back to autocracy. One leader makes the difference.
The circle begins again.

Give or take a phase. Put it more radical or less radical certain phases but basically this is history... for all eternity.
 
Yes, its a vicious cycle, but we are only as doomed to repeat it as we allow ourselves to be. Eternity is not eternity.

The cycle can always be broken, just like a bad habit.

Mankind may be a funny species, but it is the one with so much potential. If we didn't have it, Heaven's Judgement would have been final. He hasn't given up on us, so why should we?

Another day is another day to make a change for the better. That is perhaps one of the greatest gifts we have. Its a shame more people don't utilize it.

Like Vader, one day, we will redeem ourselves, as a race.

Anyways, I'm calling it a night. Talk to you later.
 
Okay. Have a good night's rest.

As for humanity... in theory we should be extinct... we aren't as we're playing for god ourself, controlling nature and life. We are anti-gods.
 
"God does not play dice with the universe, but I will."- Albert Eienstein (from the movie I.Q)

Humankind has accomplished some amazing things in it's time, but it still is only mortal in nature and while it cannot change it's destiny it has been allowed to spur it's course forward. Free will, it is of course a double-edged sword, and the culmination of what you've done with it determines the fate of individuals.

In a way, it is it's own system of checks and balances.

"Whats a body? Merely a garment to be worn and discarded over time?"- Karla, the Grey Witch (Record of Lodoss War)

Anyways, can you list more female characters in the Star Wars Universe for me? It might be useful later for artwork and such.
 
Mara Jade
Tionne (Jedi Historian, silver pupils, blond hair)
Tenel Ka (Warrior Princess from Dathomir)
Jaina Solo
Sariss (Jedi Knight)
Jan Ors (Dark Forces series) I rather like her.
Bastilla (Kotor Jedi)
Mission (Kotor Jedi)
(Grand) Admiral Daala (get's promoted later on)
Isanne Isard
Tamith Kai (or something... a Dathomir Witch from Young Jedi Knights)
Oola
Aurra Sing (Jedi Hunter)
Asaj Ventress (Dark Jedi from Clone Wars)
Aayla Secura (Jedi Knight, Twi'lek)
Callista (Luke's 1st love)
Lady Vader (Imperial armoured Lady of War with lightwhip, appeared in a Marvel Comic)
Zam Wessel (bounty Hunter, shapeshifter)
Princess Leia Organa Solo
Padmé Amidala
 
Hmmm what's her name again...
The cute female Dark Jedi from Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy and her orange Twi'lek apprentice...
Shaak Ti (Clone Wars, Old Republic era Jedi)
Coré (Bodyguard/Doubleganger of Padmé)
 
Thanks. And of these characters, can you list several that stand out more than others? Which ones are your favorites?
 
My favourites? Pfff... let me think a moment.
Well Tenel Ka is interesting. She's acts a bit emotionless (but isn't), wears greenlizardarmour (hiding only the essentials if oyu know what i mean) and is from a warrior society.
Isanne Isard and Daala are certainly among my favourites.
The first is deliciously evil, cold and ruthless. I assume you know her look (two different eyecolours)
Daala (redhead) is just plain interesting.
Jan Ors and Sariss a bit.

But I think my favourite victim would be Bastilla from Kotor. I really had grown to like the snobby Jedi. 😛
 
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