Swearing allowed in English School

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yeah. It almost seems like a wager, gamble or bet on their parts just to see what happens, its ridiculous. They choose the worst instances and wrong ingriedients for a social experiment.

 

[MistressValerie1]

I have always objected to the oft-heard refrain that school bullies suffer from "low" self-esteem and need to be built up. One criminologist wrote in a professional journal that he found that bullies usually have too much self-esteem and need to learn how to follow limits and have more respect for others. My observations from a brief teaching career in a notoriously violent school distrcit confirm what the criminologist said.

 

[nessonite1]

That was discussed in the book I liked to earlier, Missy Val. People are so petrified that kids feel bad about themselves that they overinflate their egos to the point where they have created an entire generation of egotistical self indulgant brats who expect to be praised up and down for blowing their nose.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yeah, and that leads to leeway and sometimes priviledges that other students would not get. They are treated like special ed students when theres not a damn thing wrong with them other than them needing to be knocked down a few pegs. Going all bleeding hearts on these ruffians and suggesting they need to be pampered or dealt with gently because they're emotionally fragile is stupid.

If the school system fails to reform these brutes, let karma do it for them. Preferably in the form of someone punking them out and then beating them up. That'll set their ass straight.

And whats this crap that sometimes school administration will turn a blind eye to failing school athletes and allow them to pass when results show every reason why they shouldn't? Its a double-standard, and what, just because they play a sport and represent the school? You have no business padding up a failing jock's (note I say failing as opposed to dumb or stupid, which implies laziness, recklessness and indifference rather than stupidity, which is not appropriate) test scores, GPA, SATs, etc, to make them look like an honorary student. Thats like shitting on decent students who work hard and honestly to get good grades.

 

[nessonite1]

Well...Im not sure that being violent is how you teach that violence is wrong. The kids who are bullies are quite often that way because of parents or other older relatives bullying them so they just pass it on. Not that a truly effective way to stop bullying even exists, as Im not sure one does.

Schools often promote not only atheletes but anyone who is failing. An alarming number of students, atheletic or not, graduate high school and end up in remedial college classes. Thats to say nothing of those who end up in remedial classes because the high school (and elementary) cirriculum is so watered down that they come out of it not knowing which way is up.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I'm not saying it is either. What I said is when the help they need fails, or they just become more agressive because they've finally wised up to the fact they're being treated differently, that perhaps inevitably, the only way they're learn a lesson is through the means which they dish out their feelings. Speak to them in their language if all else fails. Not as something premediated, God no, but if it happens it happens. And it may be for the better. You never know how a mind works.

If its home abuse, or whatever, then of course its not something that would help. But then again you can't really tell now can you. They're too proud to admit they're scared and weak.

As for the failing school system, I don't think its right to attribute what I said about athletes to that as well. Even when the public school system was good and no child was being "left behind" by being allowing to move forward, jocks have always recieved special treatment, merely because they are a face for the school. Its greed like that thats dangerous.

You're not helping the kid, you're hurting him. He needs to learn like everyone else, not play patsy to some tri-county school board face-off. This is like a lesser extent of those "little league dads/moms" who push their kids into baseball (or any other sport they failed at in their time) and live through their kid and pressure him/her.