To OBleedingMe: Wow. All I can do right now is liken your argument to a house of cards during a high wind.
It never ceases to surprise me when those who are the least informed are always the first ones to open their mouths and "tell everyone how it REALLY is."
Let me respond to your rebuttal piece by piece.
I am quite well versed in the matters I speak of.
At age 15, I was given my first dose of the blatant Misandrism that is rampant in our family justice system. Without delving into my entire life story, I'll try to relate that experience as best as I can in this post.
My father ran a kennel for twenty some-odd years. He worked very hard at what he did, even after his heart attack. He kept our home, our two acres of land, and our in-ground pool, in impeccable condition. My mother, over the years, desired more and more things. She constantly watched "Homes of the Rich and Famous" and other such shows. She became more and more jealous of those who had more than us. She and her mother became convinced that my father had hundreds of thousands of dollars stashed away somewhere. He didn't... I almost wish he did, the way things turned out.
My mother and my father were arguing on this particular day. It had something to do with getting a new vacuum cleaner and that turned into my mother getting her driver's license so my dad didn't have to driver her everywhere (to this day, although she got her license after the divorce, she will not drive on any major highways). It started in my parent's bedroom. My mother screeching and screeching for nearly an hour. My dad finally left the room to try and get some peace, but my mother has this funny way of FOLLOWING you around, right behind you, like a parrot on your back. My dad just kept saying leave me alone, leave me alone, you're driving me nuts, will you just let me be. Finally, my dad started to scream back at her. At this point I stopped playing my video games and went into my parent's bedroom, where they were still arguing.
My father owned a gun. That gun had stopped burglars from entering our home on two occasions, so it was a necessity. He always kept the gun in a LOCKED holster. He was always very careful with it and no one knew where the key to the holster was except for him.
After a couple more minutes of arguing, my father pulled the gun out from under his pillow. It was in its LOCKED holster. He pointed it at his own head and said: "If you don't leave me alone, I'm going to blow my head off. GO AWAY." And for the first ever, my mother listened and shut up. My father put the gun back in its place and flipped on the Yankees. He asked if I wanted to watch with him and I said yes. We're both Yankee fans from the womb, lol.
The house was blessedly silent for 10 minutes. Then came a harsh double knock at the door. Before my father and I could get up, my mother had answered the front door. I went to check to see who it was. It was two police officers, one male and one female. They were talking with my mother. I'll never forget the sickening grin on her face. Her eyes were bright and twinkling. Her chest heaved in and out in an excited breath.
The officers turned and went into my parents bedroom. I followed them, in a state of shock and bewilderment. They told my father to get up. They told him he was under arrest for domestic violence and terroristic threats. They handcuffed him, removed the gun from under the pillow, and put him in a police car. They spoke with my mother for a bit. One of them made a gesture towards me and I heard my mother say: "Oh, well he's bulldozed by his father." They shrugged and went back to talking with my mother. They never took my statement. They only took my mother's. They tried to take my sister's, but she was only 11 and she was in her room the entire time with the door closed.
I eventually found out my mother had called the police and told them my father had put her in a headlock and jammed the gun, out of its holster, against her temple and threatened to kill her. And even though there were absolutely no marks or bruises on her from this 210+ lb man putting her 125 lb frame in a headlock and jamming a piece of heavy metal against her temple, my father was arrested, booked, and charged. He was held in lock up for 48 hours. A restraining order was filed against him. His gun and his right to own a gun was stripped from him. He had only the clothes on his back and the money/credit cards in his wallet. The police, even with a police escort, would NOT allow him to return to the house to get any of his belongings or clothing. He was forced to live in a hotel for over a month. He was allowed to work the kennel (on our property) but was not allowed to enter his own house.
All this humiliation and emotional pain and suffering because a woman called up and SAID a man did something.
During the time my dad was out of the house my mother took all the money out of the safe (including my father's birthday money and gift check from his relatives) and tried to empty the bank accounts. Luckily she couldn't do that because they had gotten joint accounts.
Eventually, my father was allowed back into the house. He was put into some sort of pre-trial intervention program. On top of that my father, who had never been arrested in his entire life, was given 18 months probation for absolutely nothing.
After that, my father's life hinged on my mother's whims and fancies. I never knew if my father was going to home when I got back from school. All she had to do was pick up the phone and claim "verbal abuse" and bam! My father was kicked out of the house for a few days. There were a few times I was working at the kennel with my dad and the police would just show up out of the blue and tell him he had to leave. It got so bad that my dad started keep an emergency suitcase packed in the kennel in case he had to leave.
I eventually turned quite nasty towards the cops. I had always respected police officers. My uncle is an Inspector in NY. But the scowls and accusing looks on their faces made me hate them. The way they spoke to my father, as if he was a murderer or rapist, made me want to punch them. I was almost arrested myself one day when I called one of them a pig and told him he should be out stopping the rash of burglaries in town. So much for free speech, huh?
It was during this period of time that my father and I started to bond very closely. I was old enough to see what was going on. My sister was far too young. We went to movies and talked about life. I remember when we returned home, we would often coast by the house to see if there were any cops in the driveway. It got that bad. Sometimes they would be waiting for us when we got home, and even though we had receipts to show them my father wasn't even HOME at the time my mother claimed she was being verbally harassed, they still kicked him out. It's how the laws are written. A woman says a man did something, and he must have done it! Immediate punishment is doled out. This system goes against every moral and ethical guideline in our legal system. You are guilty before proven innocent.
After a year or so of this treatment, my father started talking of suicide. At first I thought my father, who was a very jovial man (he used to do some standup), was joking. But he wasn't. I returned home one day to see my mother and her parents sitting in the living room. My mother had that same sickening grin on her face and that bright look in her eyes. She told me in a singsong voice my father had tried to kill himself in the two-car garage we have that's separate from the house. He had turned on the GMC Suburban, the tractor, and had tried to kill himself. My mother found him and dragged him out. She told me the only reason she saved him was to find out where his stash of cash was (they had agreed upon divorce three months ago).
I went to my room and broke down. After a crying jag, I happened upon a note tucked under my pillow. It told me to look behind a picture frame. I did and found my father's suicide letter. It was mainly addressed to me and told me not to give up on the ideal of the family pack (my dad loves wolves and usually their family packs) and to take care of my sister.
My dad recovered in the hospital (he had to go through detox) and was promptly thrown into a mental institution. When I was able to visit him, he was always drugged up. He fell asleep while I talked to him. He drooled like a baby. It was very distressing to see my father in such a state. After about a month, he was released, heavily medicated of course. During this period, my father returned home and worked. He was like a zombie. No jokes, no personality, just an empty shell. Even my mother's constant rantings had no effect.
Sparing you guys any further detail (I know this is getting quite long), my parents finally divorced. My sister went with my mother, and although they tried to force me to go with my mother, I demanded to go with my father. I finally got my way when I made a physical threat against my mother in front of an officer. Then they had no choice because I was considered a danger to my mother.
My father was forced to pay alimony to my mother for the rest of her life unless she remarries (fat chance). My father is on disability with a serious heart condition. He is on a fixed income. My mother, on the other hand, has a teaching degree for working with mentally disabled children. This is a sorely needed profession in my state. She has a good job with benefits and makes more than my father does, yet he is forced to pay alimony. Funny how some women are "strong and independent" until they're divorced. Then they're weak, vulnerable, and feel entitled.
After everything started to calm down and we moved into a town house (the divorce also depleted our finances considerably), I began reading about feminism and its effect on the family courts system. I read many books on modern day feminism. Andrea Dworkin and Susan Brownmiller, just to name a few. The more I read, the more I saw how much they truly hated the male gender. I think the scariest thing is that some of these women (or wimmin, as they like to call themselves - imagine loathing yourself so much that you change you gender's name) are PROFESSORS at colleges. I can give you book titles and authors to check out if so wish. I can also give you various quotes from the books.
So as you can see, I am quite well versed in what I am speaking of, both in real life experiences and my research.
I don't understand how shows like Kill Bill and Xena create an equality. As a matter of fact, I'll kill two birds with one stone by addressing not only this statement and the one you made about me failing to provide you with an answer for the new and innovated ways to put women down.
Without realising it, you have proven my statement from my last post that if you jam it in someones face they'll go bananas. But, if you slip it in casually, nobody(and certainly not you) will truly notice. To mention Xena was silly considering how she was dressed. As a matter of fact, it was widely aknowleged that it was done to attract the just budding young men of the 12 to 16 year old crowd. As for tomb raider, I find it funny that a lot of people mentioned in the past(I haven't seen this movie) that there were some pretty good scenes of her looking very vixeny. Showing her breasts coming around a corner before she did. A bath scene or some such. Bear in mind, the underline premise of why they did this: She was shown in these scenes after or during fighting in a sexual way so that your standard male movie goer can go home and whack off to fantasies of taking her down a peg.
This is just an example. If you actually take the time to look for it(I doubt you will as it's hard to change a stubborn mind) you can notice things that the media will slip under the radar. If women have it so easy in the industry, then how come there are very few actresses over 40? Or anchorwomen for that matter. But this last statement was thrown in as an exta. Food for thought if you will.
To honestly say that a few movies or tv shows make a difference, you are dead wrong. All you were doing was trying to pull out a few token accounts and failed miserably in the task.
You can rationalize this topic all you want. I couldn't care less if the female beating up and killing men was naked during the entire movie. It's still offensive. Would you find a movie where a man beats and kills female villains acceptable if there were a couple quick shots of the guy's butt or penis? You know, so the women could go home and finger themselves and "take him down a peg?" You'd be okay with that, right?
Maybe your perception of the Xena and Tombraider are a little different from mine and many other men I've spoken to. Perhaps you are easily distracted when there is an attractive woman on the screen.
I'm looking for some balance in the media here. All I'm saying is that if we have all these television series and movies that glorify a female heroine beating men, we should have a few that glorify a male hero beating women. For instance, we have a television series called Desperate Housewives. It glorifies/justifies wives cheating on their husbands. It also glorifies/justifies a woman committing statutory rape. Why don't we have a similar show for men? We could call it Neglected Husbands and we could throw in an episode where one of the husbands has sexual relations with his underage intern. If you're a true Equalist, then you shouldn't have a problem with that Ideal.
I would like someone to provide me a link for the news stories of this crime to find out what is going on with this Clara Harris woman if they'd be so kind.
And, what the hell do you mean "rash" of female teacher to student rapes? I don't recall these lately. How the fuck do you, in clear concience, blast out this alarmist nonsense by likening some 13 year old kid having a very innapropriate statuatory "rape" relation to a woman who has been violated against her will? Jesus, I might as well take a few days to provide COUNTLESS links to news stories about male professionals using their power to do the same thing to students, patients and even clients. Oops. Did I say "the same thing" in my last sentence? Sorry. I wasn't talking about statuatory rape anymore. I was talking about physically overpowering their victims in the classroom or office. Silly me.
But, what do I know? I'm sure you have read the same numerous articles that I have. I'm sure you have read psychiatric journals about the psychology of rape victims and battered wives. Or worse yet, seen it first hand.
As for a guy commiting statuatory rape and getting 30 years? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????????
Have you actually followed a low key rape case to the end? Exactly how many cases that you know of have seen a rapist get anymore than a few years? As a matter of fact, do you know that on average, most rapists only see about 11 months to a year and a half for a rape crime that got the offender 5 to 6 years in any prison. And sickeningly still, many are ushered to psychiatric wards. Not prisons.
As for yor rediculous statement that any woman could got to the cops and claim that you raped them based on heresay, I'd like to present you with some food for thought: Out of all rape cases, only 35 to 40% of victims actually come forward to report their attack. Out of those who DO come forward, only 2%-I'll say that again-ONLY 2% are lying. But again, I don't know shit. I suppose I haven't read the same insightful and informative articles in maxim and hustler like you did, labelled "ALL BITCHES ARE TROUBLE MAKING *****S."
Jesus. I don't know what city you live in, but please tell me. I sure as hell don't want to live in the only town in the free world that convicts me BEFORE my trial. It would just make it entirely too hard to light fires in random locations if I'm executed for arson before I see the witness stand...Or is that just for husbands who didn't really do anything in this magical world shit disturbing wife dominators?
I'll try to enlighten you further: There is not a single argument that you have either made or can make that I won't be able to call bullshit on. Why? Because, I used to be a misogenyst. Not a sexist, not a chauvenist, but a misogenyst. I hated women for everything they stood for. I used to make up the EXACT same bullshit nonsense baseless arguments that you are now. I'd pull the same warped perception out of my ass as you did and claim they were facts. You can't fool me like you can your friends.
With that said, do you know that I come from a veritable dynasty of abusive males in my family? As a matter of fact, since coming to this country in 1901, there has been a very vivid accounting of the violence of EVERY male member of my family against their wives, sisters, aunts, mothers, etc. My father, his father, and so on, all the way down to our first family members to enter this country veritably celebrate their violence(to the extreme) against ALL females in the family.
Dussicar, you need to flick on the TV a little more often! Clara Harris was a huge story for quite some time. I can't believe you don't know about it.
Clara Harris, in a murderous rage, ran over her husband when she discovered he was cheating on her. A private investigator, hired to catch the husband in the act, videotaped the entire incident. She ran him over four times. Their fourteen year old daughter was in the SUV at the time. She was begging her mother to stop. What most news stories fail to mention is that Clara Harris was also cheating her husband.
The woman was given a mere 20 years under a "crime of passion" ruling. Somehow, I doubt a man would have been afforded the same luxury.
Many feminists called Clara Harris's actions an empowering experience. She was brought onto Oprah. The host expressed her sympathy to her "plight" and said she "felt her pain" when it came to being cheated on. Poor Clara!! Many women in the audience cheered wildly at the sound of her voice. They had her daughter there as well, but she wasn't given much airtime, as she hates her mother with a passion. Oprah tried to persuade her to visit her mother in jail but the daughter refused. Way to GO, Oprah! Trying to get a CHILD to visit a murderer. The audience gave her a standing ovation at the end of the segment. Good stuff. Do you think if a guy ran over her wife for cheating he would asked to come on Oprah? That Oprah would try to persuade his kids to go see him in prison? Do you think he would get a standing ovation? Nah, didn't think so!
The same goes for the rash of female teacher to student male rapes. You need to turn on the television more, guy. Do a google search, I'm sure you'll find all the information you need. I'm not going to hand feed it to you.
You didn't read my post thoroughly, did you? I said a male teacher would get a minimal of 30 years for MULTIPLE cases of statutory rape. The female teacher I am speaking of raped several young boys. She even went so far as to have parties at her home and serve alcoholic drinks to get them inebriated before committing the act. The woman received 6 MONTHS for inebriating and raping multiple young boys.
Boy, if there was a male teacher committed the exact same crimes in the exact same situation as this woman, I somehow doubt he'd only get 6 months and a Psych. Evaluation. More like the 30 years I was talking about.
I don't care how many cases of male on female rape you cite. It doesn't justify a woman raping young boys. And as far as your stats go, I find that
2% of rape cases are false laughable. I believe (as do many other people far more qualified than you or me) it's a lot more than that, and the percentage will continue to grow as more and more women realize just how easy it is to ruin a man's entire life by accusing him of rape under the current Rape Shield laws. Whether the man gets convicted or not, his life is over, yet no one even knows the woman's. He has to move away and start anew. No one wants an accused rapist around.
I never said "all bitches are trouble making *****s." My, that's a rather rude and nasty comment. No, all I'm trying to get across is that the laws are written in favor of women. They are slanted so much that if you are married you are at the mercy of her word and her WORD alone. All the needs to say is that you hit her and you're life is turned upside-down.
I don't blame women for this, I blame feminists, the ones who pushed for these sort of laws. Why? Because when you give ANY group of persons this sort of nearly absolute power over another group, the group in power is bound to abuse it. It's human nature to do so.
]I'll try to enlighten you further: There is not a single argument that you have either made or can make that I won't be able to call bullshit on. Why? Because, I used to be a misogenyst. Not a sexist, not a chauvenist, but a misogenyst. I hated women for everything they stood for. I used to make up the EXACT same bullshit nonsense baseless arguments that you are now. I'd pull the same warped perception out of my ass as you did and claim they were facts. You can't fool me like you can your friends.
With that said, do you know that I come from a veritable dynasty of abusive males in my family? As a matter of fact, since coming to this country in 1901, there has been a very vivid accounting of the violence of EVERY male member of my family against their wives, sisters, aunts, mothers, etc. My father, his father, and so on, all the way down to our first family members to enter this country veritably celebrate their violence(to the extreme) against ALL females in the family.
Do you know that I am the ONLY male in over one hundred years to break this cycle? The only one to question it? And yet, I almost ended up exactly like them. Even for those of you reading this who think that I'm some flakey nut for the stuff I've typed in this post, only a few can appreciate the magnitude of strength it takes to change as drastically as I did. I really don't care what most think about my opinion in this endeavour. Because I know that I'm a better person for it, regardless.
As for you OBleedingMe, I can say I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. When one has committed to the same abuses as his forefathers and walked away a different person, they tend to notice things in a different light. Thankfully, I didn't rape anyone during that period of time, but I shudder to think of how many of my past relatives did.
My advice to you is- shut your damn mouth, open your eyes, and truly take in your surroundings...If that fails, then just shut the fuck up until you know what you are actually talking about.
Hey, that's great that you recognize that you were a wife beater and a misogynist. And I'm happy for you that you overcame your violent tendencies. But don't lump me in the same category as you. I don't hit anyone unless I am attacked. I don't hate women. My girlfriend could tell you that. She's still tingling from last night.
But I am wary of women and the power they currently have over men when it comes to domestic violence and the family courts. I will protect myself. I will not marry unless there are Prenups involved. I won't have my entire life's work stolen from me and my reputation ruined because my wife decides she doesn't want to stay with me but doesn't want to work for a living.
Every man needs to be educated about how the current laws work against them in nearly every instance of domestic dispute. From violence to custody battles, the cards are stacked in the woman's favor. Men need to be aware of this and take three crucial steps to protect themselves:
1. PRENUPS, PRENUPS, PRENUPS! If she calls it unromantic and refuses, then move on. The power she'll have over you during marriage will also be quite "unromantic."
2. If things go sour in your marriage, be as careful as possible. Try to stay as far away from your soon-to-be ex-wife as you can. The more you're with/around her in private, the more of a chance she'll have to nail you on a false domestic violence charge.
3. GET ACTIVE!! Join the Men's Movement! It took feminists many years to secure the laws they now have in place that oppress men and break up families. It's going to take just as much effort to reverse their effects.
A couple good links for Men's Rights:
Glenn Sacks
His Side Radio Show
Choice For Men
The Male Voice
"Sleep. Those little slices of Death. How I loathe them." - Edgar Allan Poe.
