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the "baseball only" thread

The problem with the Cubs is those darn broadcasters on WGN. Chip Carey and Steve Stone got run out of town because they were critical of the teams September swoon last year and that got the Cub players upset. This year they have new broadcasters and the players are still whining whenever they are criticized. :cry1: I used to be a fan of Dusty Baker, but I think the pressure of not winning a World Series in almost 100 years has gotten to him.
 
I didn't know that Carey and Stone had been fired. (My cable system doesn't have WGN.) 😱
 
Chip Carey is with the Braves and Steve Stone works some games for ESPN. I believe technically they both resigned, but the incident that really caused the trouble was when both of them were denied seats on the teams charter plane upon returning from a roadtrip. Some of the players were upset that Stone and Carey had criticized their poor play. So they complained and had both of them bumped off the team flight. I place full blame on the manager. Why should a balplayer worry about a broadcasters comments?
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
You know that is a crock. When you watch Tavarez pitch he didn't come close to anyone before or after beaning Piazza. :ranty: Then when you have Pedro pitching the next day ( and we all know he is a loose cannon ) and the Mets frustrated and pissed how the trip was going that is the last thing the Cardinals wanted to have. The Cardinals never dug in on Pedro. They barely were in the batter's box. They knew the Mets were pissed. As far as putting people in the morgue, how about some of your guys getting off the DL first before threatening to put people in the morgue. The Cubs with Dusty Baker have NO HEART. The Mets, at least, decided to show some character and pound the Cardinals yesterday. But don't tell me that my team couldn't get into a beanball war because Pedro, Aaron Heilman, Juan Padilla, Roberto Hernandez and Braden Looper all throw 92 MPH and over.


First off, lemme tell ya we have plenty of heart. Although wild card chances are slim, they are still busting their asses off trying to compete. And the fact we have an infirmary on the DL, and guys are still playing hard. If that isn't heart, I dunno what is. The score you beat someone with isn't the only factor in determining heart. Secondly, with the exception of Greg Maddux, every one on the Cubs pitching staff has fastballs in the mid-90's. So I'll say again, we are the last team you want to have a beanball war with. We can aim at your head and send you to the morgue. And thirdly, tf4f, I didn't say the Mets couldn't get in a beanball war, they might not win one
And lastly, yes, we do have people in the DL, but there in still, you guys with a fully healthy team, are only a half game ahead of us, so what does that say for your squad???
 
Weaver pitched a fabulous game last night, as the Dodgers closed to within 5 games of the Division leading Pondscum. 😀
 
natural tickler said:
First off, lemme tell ya we have plenty of heart. Although wild card chances are slim, they are still busting their asses off trying to compete. And the fact we have an infirmary on the DL, and guys are still playing hard. If that isn't heart, I dunno what is. The score you beat someone with isn't the only factor in determining heart. Secondly, with the exception of Greg Maddux, every one on the Cubs pitching staff has fastballs in the mid-90's. So I'll say again, we are the last team you want to have a beanball war with. We can aim at your head and send you to the morgue. And thirdly, tf4f, I didn't say the Mets couldn't get in a beanball war, they might not win one
And lastly, yes, we do have people in the DL, but there in still, you guys with a fully healthy team, are only a half game ahead of us, so what does that say for your squad???
How would you know if they are busting their butts? According to a post you made you weren't even watching the Cubs anymore this season. So I am a bit confused. The Cubs have NO HEART. You know it and I know it. After Victor Diaz hit that homerun against you guys last year you have shown NO BALLS at all. That is a fact.
 
unclebill said:
Chip Carey is with the Braves and Steve Stone works some games for ESPN. I believe technically they both resigned, but the incident that really caused the trouble was when both of them were denied seats on the teams charter plane upon returning from a roadtrip. Some of the players were upset that Stone and Carey had criticized their poor play. So they complained and had both of them bumped off the team flight. I place full blame on the manager. Why should a balplayer worry about a broadcasters comments?
Like I was telling Natural earlier, they ( the players and manager ) have NO HEART. They would rather bitch and whine like little girls when a broadcaster is critical of them. The Cubs as HISTORY has PROVEN are a bunch of LOSERS. Beanball wars? Worry about staying of the disabled list and stop worrying about announcer have to say. Players do their jobs and let the announcers do their jobs.
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
How would you know if they are busting their butts? According to a post you made you weren't even watching the Cubs anymore this season. So I am a bit confused. The Cubs have NO HEART. You know it and I know it. After Victor Diaz hit that homerun against you guys last year you have shown NO BALLS at all. That is a fact.


Well, if the Cubs have no heart (as you claim they don't) notice the underlined word, then your team has no fuckin brains. Hello, Jose Offerman?? Damn, at least we can run the bases right. What is also a fact is that, the Cubs have a better record right now than your brainless Mets. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, all that complaining they did was last year (notice the underlined word again), there were no complaints this year. Injuries did us in, incompetence did the Mets in, and that is a definite fact. What is even more fact is that both teams will watch the postseason from the sidelines.

So tf4f, before you start talking smack, at least have your team winning before you do, but then again, the last year the Mets had a winning record..... still thinkng about that one.

Besides, baseball no longer interest me now, I am in football mode, oh btw, I am beating you in that too

And one last thing: The Mets are the biggest losers in sports. At least the Cubs get in the newspapers, good or bad, the Mets have to literallybeg to get some ink
 
Yesterday's Dodgers/Rockheads game, televised on ESPN2, made me physically ill. :Grrr: :Grrr:
 
ooh we are celebrating here in Cardinal country. Or shall we celebrate tomorrow? Next week? Any day will do.
 
On Thursday, the Dodgers beat the hated jints 7-1, with a great pitching performance from Derek Lowe. 😀
 
I miss Derek Lowe. I don't miss Pedro very much but I miss Derek.

(60-second rule...arrghgh!) 🙂
 
He has been a hot and cold pitcher for us. Some days great, some days worthless.
 
Not everyone happy about Barry Bonds' return

This was written before Bonds actually came back, but hey...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/2005-09-07-brennan-bonds-return_x.htm
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Not everyone would be happy if Bonds plays
Christine Brennan USA Today

Not everyone would be happy if Bonds plays
We interrupt our coverage of the worst natural disaster in the history of the nation to bring you this news from a batting cage in Dodger Stadium: Barry Bonds is hitting home runs in batting practice and is threatening to return to baseball before season's end.
Oh joy. Just what the country needs, a surly, self-absorbed, steroid-using cheater (according to leaked grand jury testimony) to cheer us all in our days of gloom.

If sports play any role at all during a fortnight like the aftermath of Katrina, it is to brighten, even for a moment, the life of a child or adult whose world has been turned upside down by a monumental national tragedy.

The idea is simple. Sports as a sidelight, nothing more, to make someone feel just a little bit better, to allow a poor soul who has lost a home, a business, a way of life, to forget his or her troubles, even for a minute.

During these days, it's a one-way street for sports in this nation. It's all give from sports, all take from the fans. There is no reason at all for sports to exist if they make us feel worse.

But if there's one guy in all of sports who can send us into a deeper funk, it's Barry Bonds. The minute he steps to the plate for the first time, he dredges up every ugly reminder of the continuing steroid saga that has swallowed the national pastime this season.

By simply showing up, Bonds siphons off a sizable portion of the national media's interest in the great races and stories of a long season finally winding down.

He dwarfs the Yankees' quest to not be left out of the playoffs for the first time since 1993. He steals the thunder from the improbable and delightful Washington Nationals. Even if you don't want to turn your head, he will force you to pay attention to him. He's that kind of guy. The White Sox, the Red Sox, the Cardinals and the Angels; they're all second fiddle when this big lug shows up at the plate in San Francisco sometime soon.

How we wish it weren't so. How we wish we could just avoid Bonds once and for all, have him and those muscles, however they were made, fade away, never to return.

How we wish he would do what was best for his game and leave the records of Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron intact. How we wish he would never threaten to take the greatest numbers in sports — Babe's 714 home runs, and Hank's 755 — and make a mockery of them.

How we wish he could be an afterthought, an inconsequential blip on the radar screen, lost in a sea of national perspective and a September sports calendar filled with too many good things to spend one second thinking of a guy like Bonds.

How we wish he played hockey, so he would have been locked out.

But Barry Bonds is too selfish to see what's best for the game, for the season, even for the nation. What's worse, he will think he's right because he will be encouraged by tens of thousands of baseball fans in San Francisco who will cheer him as if he were a relief worker returning from the Gulf Coast. When that happens — and rest assured it will — it will be enough to make anyone outside of San Francisco want to shake his or her head in disbelief.

Bonds' Giants open an 11-game homestand today. If only Bonds were on the road, he would get an idea of what the nation really thinks of him. Imagine Rafael Palmeiro, only worse. Palmeiro, the Ben Johnson of baseball, had to wear earplugs because the booing in visiting ballparks was so vociferous. He had two measly hits in 26 at-bats after returning from his ster oid suspension. Finally, pathetically, he was sent home with "an injured ankle."

His experience was the 21st-century version of being ridden out of town on a rail.

Knowing what Palmeiro went through, Bonds is probably hoping for a 162-game homestand next season.

Right now, though, Bonds, lucky son-of-a-gun that he is, will find himself in the middle of a most unlikely pennant chase. His Giants are just six games behind the San Diego Padres as of Thursday in the awful National League West. Wouldn't it be something if Bonds returns, hits some home runs to draw dangerously close to Ruth and somehow helps the Giants make the playoffs?

It's Major League Baseball's worst nightmare. Within the world of sports, a world that's supposed to make us feel good when so much else is wrong, it's ours too.
 
I am very glad to see a mainstream press article criticizing the Evil One (as I call BB). He has all the bad qualities mentioned in that article, and more. Here is an exert from an article about his potential legal troubles:

Bonds and the American Judicial System

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, on March 17, a woman named Kimberly Bell strode into a San Francisco courthouse, under subpoena and full-immunity, to testify about Barry Bonds' steroid history and his finances. Simply put, she testified that Bonds had divulged to her that he began using steroids in 2000 and also that Bonds' provided her with $80,000 in cash - which he earned from selling autographed memorabilia - to serve as a down payment on a home for her near the Giants' spring training facility in Scottsdale Arizona. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he conveniently forgot to inform the IRS about the $80,000 he made signing baseballs and how he bestowed the money on Ms. Bell in $9,000 stacks. You know, just a guess.

Kimberly Bell went on to corroborate the story of their nine-year affair with hotel and airline receipts in Bonds' handwriting. As if that isn't bad enough, the government also subpoenaed her bank records and 90, yes 90, minutes of voice mail messages that Bonds left on her phone. The contents of the messages were not disclosed, but I can't imagine there is anything there that Bonds wants federal prosecutors to hear.

Bell's testimony coupled with the previous testimony of BALCO founder Victor Conte and Vice President James Valente stating that Bonds had received steroids (the "clear" and the "cream") and the fact that the BALCO grand jury has documents citing Bonds' use of steroids and human growth hormone, doesn't bode well for the baseball star.

Perjury? Tax evasion? Can you say "jail-time?"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by unit5610
I miss Derek Lowe. I don't miss Pedro very much but I miss Derek.

(60-second rule...arrghgh!)


Well I must admit that that was probably the most assinine thing I have ever heard. Pedro is 14-7 with an ERA of 2.93. If he were with the RedSox with as much as they score he would have won probably 22 games right now. Derek Lowe at 11-13 with a 3.57 ERA (and that has come down because he pitched to a 3.07 over his last 10 starts). To say you miss Derek more than Pedro is STUPID. Maybe you could have won the World Series last year without Pedro too, right? So you fans get burned then you start thinking retarded things. The ONLY reason Pedro came to the Mets was because the Mets offered him a GAUREENTEED 4th year. The Red Sox and NOBODY else were willing to make that kind of commitment. Did he leave because of money too? Probably. But so did Derek Lowe. How does he get a mulligan and Pedro does not? The guy won about 117 and lost 37 over his career as a Red Sox and you miss a guy who was 70-55 with a 3.80 ERA over his time with the Red Sox. Please give me a F***ing break. You are saying you would rather have Derek Lowe on your team than Pedro? You BETTER stop drinking that water in RI. It is obviously contaminated with stupidity pills or something. Pedro vs.Derek. You can have Derek Red Sox fan. I take Pedro knowing I have a chance to win everytime he takes the mound. I have heard it all now. "I miss Derek Lowe but I don't miss Pedro" :sadcry: :sadcry: Let me cry you a river.
 
natural tickler said:
Well, if the Cubs have no heart (as you claim they don't) notice the underlined word, then your team has no fuckin brains. Hello, Jose Offerman?? Damn, at least we can run the bases right. What is also a fact is that, the Cubs have a better record right now than your brainless Mets. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, all that complaining they did was last year (notice the underlined word again), there were no complaints this year. Injuries did us in, incompetence did the Mets in, and that is a definite fact. What is even more fact is that both teams will watch the postseason from the sidelines.

So tf4f, before you start talking smack, at least have your team winning before you do, but then again, the last year the Mets had a winning record..... still thinkng about that one.

Besides, baseball no longer interest me now, I am in football mode, oh btw, I am beating you in that too

And one last thing: The Mets are the biggest losers in sports. At least the Cubs get in the newspapers, good or bad, the Mets have to literallybeg to get some ink
Biggest losers in SPORTS. When have you last won a WORLD SERIES and then have a conversation with me when you get done how many years ago that was. You know Natural , I saw the other day that the Cubs offered FREE ADMISSION to those that were actually alive when the Cubs last won a World Series. I will let you know that the Stadium was empty. :wowzer:
 
As for the Cubs...

As I have said in the past, I am only a casual sports fan, although I probably enjoy baseball season more than any other. And talking to my dad, who is a lifetime (67 yrs) diehard Cub fan, about baseball is always fun because he gets so into it.

Anyway, I don't know if this speaks to the question of the Cubs having "heart" or not, but when I listen to Ron Santo (who hopefully will FINALLY get into the Hall of Fame soon. LONG overdue) announce the Cub games on the radio, his frustration with this team is very evident. This is a guy who was on the '69 Cub team that blew that big lead to the "miracle Mets", he loves the Cubs and desperately wants to see them win a World Series (or at least GET TO a World Series I guess at this point) in his lifetime. Wasted opportunities, stupid mistakes, this team has not played anywhere near as well as they should have, given the talent they have on that team.

Santo doesn't go as far as to criticize the players or manager as Steve Stone and Chip Caray apparently did (I have always preferred listening to Santo and Pat Hughes on the radio), but when your radio color commentator, who is paid by the owner of the Cubs, the Chicago Tribune, is getting clearly upset with your team's play ON THE AIR, that can't be a good sign.

Also, I go back to a post I made maybe a couple weeks ago on this thread, about listening to WSCR radio after a Cubs loss and them talking about how the Tribune will spend just enough to keep the Cubs competitive. As one of the guys on the radio said, they'd LIKE to win, but they're not COMMITTED to winning, and there's a big difference. True, the Yankees and Red Sox have far & away the highest payrolls in baseball and they aren't exactly dominating the rest of the AL, but as a general rule I think the old saying applies to baseball these days: You get what you pay for.
 
So much fight over the Cubs, I don't understand it. To me things are simple, the only team that I hate is the hated jints. 😀
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
Quote:
You BETTER stop drinking that water in RI. It is obviously contaminated with stupidity pills or something. Pedro vs.Derek. You can have Derek Red Sox fan.

Well excuuuse me! What brought all that on??
I never said Pedro wasn't a great pitcher...he absolutely was, and still is. What I don't miss was his prima donna attitude over the last few years...how he became too good for the fans, for the media, for the city. It was time for him to leave Boston.
That's all you should read into it.
 
unit5610 said:
Well excuuuse me! What brought all that on??
I never said Pedro wasn't a great pitcher...he absolutely was, and still is. What I don't miss was his prima donna attitude over the last few years...how he became too good for the fans, for the media, for the city. It was time for him to leave Boston.
That's all you should read into it.
If that is what you REALLY meant then I owe you a BIG, HUGE APOLOGY. I am really SORRY about that then. I hope you will accept my apology and that we can be friends from this point forward. I REALLY thought you were claiming something different and I am REALLY SORRY!!!. A great win in 12 innings by you guys last night BTW. Sadira and I watched the end of that game. I really hope you guys don't let the Yankees by you. I have been hoping that with that payroll that they DON'T make the playoffs. I am also hoping that the Indians bypass the White Sox but that will probably not happen. Again Unit5610, I hope you accept my apology.Please note unit5610 that you do have a PM.
 
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CabanaBoy said:
I'm still waiting for my struggling Tigers to figure it out. Latest is Pudge is very unhappy and hinting he wants out.

Yeah I think after 12 years with the Rangers, I-Rod finally got a taste of winning that one year with the Marlins and now he knows: winning is more fun. :jester:
 
To be realistic, the Dodgers need to win at least 13 of their last 15 games to have a good chance of making postseason play. Not likely. 🙁
 
milagros317 said:
To be realistic, the Dodgers need to win at least 13 of their last 15 games to have a good chance of making postseason play. Not likely. 🙁
To be realistic you guys have been out of the race since June. 🙁
 
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