The "courage" to tickle..

[Kujman1]

In another thread, a person new to TK implied that they didn't have the courage to attempt tickling someone.

This has been a very common feeling among many ticklers for three decades. So it got me to thinking: why??

I'm not saying it's bad or good, right or wrong- and not putting anyone down about it... I'm just wondering why? Where does courage come into it? I've literally gone in and carried people out of burning rubble in NYC- to most, that would be called courage. Yet I wouldn't apply the same word to what ticklers require with tickling. I'm so curious about the tickler's psyche because-- as many close to me in this scene have pointed out to me-- mine seems to be so different than others. Or do I just have brass balls, charm, and of course- courage? lol

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Not to sound disrespectful, but I've always wondered- what courage does it take anyway? It's tickling. Apes have been doing it long before we ever soured the Earth. Nothing scary or menacing about it in most usual situations. To 90% of the world, tickling means... nothing. Not sexual (unless you're a nitwit and you let them see you drooling when you do it). To most of the world it's just annoying, or maybe funny. Few pay any attention to it. It's forgotten five minutes after it's over.

So.. exactly where does courage come into it? Or, is that a way for many to say they feel insecure about what they like.. or even insecure in themselves? Or are they worried that everyone will be watching and detect that you are "into" tickling?

I had a pal who wanted to go along with me to the beach a few years back and experience what I do with sand burials and ticklings. It had been his fantasy since a teen. BUT when it began, he backed far away... way too far to even see it, much less partake. This guy flew 1500 miles to be a part of this- and now as it was unfolding, four buried girls, innocent beach goers having a blast, extremely ticklish, soles exposed and immobilzed from neck to ankles packed in deep wet sand, and a "Free Ticklng Today Only" sign placed at their soles----- my pal was standing 45 yards away, up on the boardwalk......... watching. (and yes, maybe drooling too!)

I actually had to call him on his cell.

I asked what the hell he was doing. He said he "didn't want to get caught". I said "By who? The Tickle Police?"

He wound up flying home, disappointed because he missed out on it all. He too said he didn't have the courage. To this day he has yet to tickle anyone.

This seems to be a common theme among ticklers, so if we can understand it then perhaps we can help others stuck in this horrible vortex.

Ticklers seem to worry about everything, and be afraid of everything too. Absolute comfort in bondage... pain.... consensuality issues. You name it. They let the lees have all the control. They're always afraid of "going too far"... which is really a contradiction in terms with tickling. It won't kill you. But ticklers seem to worry about it all.

So, I'm just wondering....why?

I've never looked at TK like that. I put both my 7th and 8th grade teachers in my homemade stocks. Took pictures of it too. Does that mean it took courage? Or just self-belief?

So... I'm not saying this is about anyone inparticular or that anyone is a coward- not at all!! And I mean no disrespect towards anyone. I'm just trying to understand the psyche behind this common fear among many ticklers so that perhaps I can help others experience the fun creative experiences I have and really enjoy TK to the max.

All intelligent comments and experiences welcome :cool

 

[MrTicklee]

Kuj,

I don't mean to over simply things, but as you are probably aware, in the world we live in there are those who "do" and those who "don't". I can't say why that is, as I don't understand why one would not act on their desires, wishes, etc. but that is the unfortunate reality of it. Some are made by design or otherwise to sit on the sofa and watch the world go bye.

 

[Dovalys]

Because in some cases going too far could get you arrested, or tickling the wrong person could have you up for harassment - whilst you're right - a lot of people wouldn't mind a heck of a lot, and a lot wouldn't take it further than a scowl if they didn't like it, but in some cases, you risk a lot on a little tickle.

If you know the person though or like in the scenario you gave, I'd say go for it depending on a few things but it really does depend on who/where/what etc. Generally though you're right, people have the opportunity and then just don't, what's the worst they can say 'no'? We humans are strange creatures though, who knows what goes through some peoples brains.

 

[hazelf1]

To me it hinges on the type of tickling, the situation, the people involved, whither or not its sexual, includes another fetish, whither restraint is used, the environment.

There is a hell of a lot of difference between a granny playing with a child and tickling taking place, and the opposite end of the scale two people tickling naked and using bondage, and maybe other fetish stuff,covered in sweat and posssibly taking hours, with sex inbetween.

Tickling is all things to all people.

I think the fear comes in regarding the potential or where the tickling may lead, in other words starting mild and playful and ending up extremely kinky.

There is also the being different from the sterio type, the only one in the office into tickling, the oh i don't want to rock the boat type thing, whats expected, all these concerns lead to fear one way or another whither real or in the mind.

I love bondage but would i walk into walmart carrying a whip and coils of rope dressed in bondage gear, with cuffs and gags, no because i would be the only one, the different from the average.

Its coming out of the closet and saying here i am its me bondage bitch, lesbian, tickler/ticklee. fine on this site or at a bondage convention, or nest meeting or similar.

The fear stems from the vanilla world and how their twisted warped view of our world is accepted by the world in general say, more than we are.

My partner is bi and into bondage and most fetish some things iam not into, but she isn't ticklish and dosn't like being tickled.

lord knows i have tried, but she is very much each to their own open minded, most people not into tickling arn't into anything fetish and show distpleasure at our fetish, or any other.

It not quite a clear cut and dried situation hence the fear.

 

[oman]

Well a few years back I had a girlfriend, I wanted to tickle her feet and was even going to ask her, but at the last second I lost my nerve and made something up. Now she's graduated and I'm left wondering what would have happened if I took that road

 

[brushtickler]

I don't know, for me I think it's mostly about getting into a situation where I could tickle someone; if I was your friend on the beach I would have tickled them in a second, haha. There's also the risk like you said of them being annoyed, but I think it's mostly the former, for me at least.

 

[CellarDweller]

To most of the world it's just annoying, or maybe funny. Few pay any attention to it. It's forgotten five minutes after it's over.

Tell that to Eric Massa. If you Google search on him, you'll find tons of posts on the 'net about the incident where he tickled an aide and his subsequent resignation from his Congressional seat in March of 2010. Yes, there were other charges against him, but he admited to tickling his aide, and was given the name "Tickles McGee".

I think most people look at tickling between adults as sexual in nature, or a least a "gateway" of sorts to sexual behaviors. For me, being a gay man, this could cause a lot of problems for me if my "target" is not gay and is easily offended. I'm sure there are a lot of male members here who would definitely not appreciate me tickling them at all.

That being said.....I believe that if you pick the right people and keep it playful, you can find willing "targets", even if only for a few seconds. There are two guys in my office ("J" and "A") who have great senses of humor, and understand that I'm a playful and slightly crazy guy by nature. Both of them confessed to me that they are "very ticklish" and after a few days of me keeping this in mind, I decided to test the waters.

"A" tends to be a bit more serious, and if others are around, can get antsy. However, I've caught him a few times when no one can see, and I've successfully gotten him to "curl up" and laugh out loud.

"J" is much more casual and relaxed in the office, and I've tickled him in public in his open cubicle. He almost gets helpless when tickled, and basically just sits there and takes it, laughing the whole time. I don't want to push it, so I keep it brief with him.

I've also been fortunate enough to meet a great friend (unfortunately he lives in another country) who knows that I enjoy tickling, and he's very ticklish. When we first met, he let me tickle him a few times, and when I went to visit him, three of the days we were together he let me tickle him, once turning over his feet to me, and ending up in hysterics.

 

[Inverse]

Touch. It's a powerful concept to some, while casual to others. The power given to touch is different for every single person here. To some, a hug is something so normal as to have no real effect outside of maybe a greeting or a calm send off. To others, it can take their breath away just to feel the same embrace.

Tickling is one of the few things to many of us here, that remind us that we can be powerfully sensual beings. It ties us to an aspect of ourselves that's not always seen, exposed or even acknowledged. To you Kujman, the boundaries of touch and the response of that touch have become so commonplace as to become casual. To others, the effects their touch have upon another can be a lot more intense, meaningful~

This isn't to say that what you do has no meaning, but there is definitely a sensitivity to it you've grown accustomed to. Much like ticklishness, the ability to breach the personal space of others and force a reaction out of them like tickling can do, is not something everyone is accustomed to. To some with this fetish, you might as well have asked him to grab her breasts, or touch her between the legs. Tickling could be so powerfully sexual to this person, that it simply was not that simple to just reach over and brush a foot.

There is a massive desync and breach within the tickling community as to what tickling means to them. Just the fact you said it was just tickling kind of makes me a little disappointed in you, since I know you've been around tickling for decades. You've seen how deeply it can affect some people, and you've seen everything from how deeply it can make them think upon their own sexual nature. To some, without tickling they may not have even come across subjects like submission, dominance~ the contexts of their needs.

I would think you'd understand how difficult it'd be to take someone, as you say~ a virgin to this most powerful experience that is tickling to him... and then suddenly find him unable to do so. This isn't just about courage. It's a lot more complex than that. Can you imagine tossing a virgin into a room with multiple women tied up with signs that say "Fuck Me" and be surprised that he may not have the willingness to join in? Even knowing that he may be mocked by friends for not partaking, it's possible his values, nerves and feelings on the subject go beyond the casualness you're trying to present here.

This is a perspective issue~ it's a values issue, more so than anything resembling courage or fear. There's a distinct lack of understanding, because your viewpoint is so different. Tickling is, or can be more sexual to a lot of people here than even intercourse. I can talk about everything sex under the sun to many people, but can find myself stuttering talking about tickling to the uninitiated~ it's not fear, it's just actual meaning.

It's personal. It's surprising to hear, but even in this day and age, some things still are.

 

[alphazion1]

i dunno american culture in particular is still pretty prudish...it's still considered taboo to really 'enjoy' things even if they are totally innocent....the idea someone might be into something is all but gauranteed to wierd some people out and cause complaints, i know it makes no sense lol

 

[Sunriseticklee]

When I was younger- Elementary, High School, even college... I never gave it a second thought. I just did it... tickled people. It was fun. Mostly innocent. Not a big deal

It is so weird. As an adult all these thoughts go through my head like, "Will they be offended, upset, will they take it the wrong way?" My biggest worry is if my love for tickling happens to come out in a large scale, will people be like... SHE TICKLED ME!!!!!!! Even if I didn't mean it that way, people might feel the need to pile it on. LOL LOL!

But yes, I do hesitate. I don't know if it is a lack or courage or fear or respect for the person's boundaries. It's just what I do.

Good thing I have friends who are also into tickling. 😀 No need to hesitate when you have that relationship.

Sunny
:wub

 

[karmagirl70]

To you Kujman, the boundaries of touch and the response of that touch have become so commonplace as to become casual. To others, the effects their touch have upon another can be a lot more intense, meaningful~

This isn't to say that what you do has no meaning, but there is definitely a sensitivity to it you've grown accustomed to.

Knowing Kuj pretty darn well, I'd have to say that boundaries of touch and the response to it are not commonplace to him at all, although I can see how your brain is working. There's nothing casual in his play. There's very little casual about him and the effects his touches have on people- he wants them to be intense and meaningful.

Just the fact you said it was just tickling kind of makes me a little disappointed in you, since I know you've been around tickling for decades. You've seen how deeply it can affect some people, and you've seen everything from how deeply it can make them think upon their own sexual nature.

I think the point he was making was that in this case (on the beach) passersby would say "oh how cute." That this was in full public and absolutely NO ONE was going to point and say "Gross, that guy has a tickling fetish." That's what he means by it's just tickling. It IS just tickling to other people and that's what we forget.

I remember my first beach experiences with Kuj. My fear and nervousness was crippling. I was positive everyone would be watching and either freaking out or whispering to each other that we should get a room. Kuj was kind enough to set things up in a fairly remote area but people did walk by on their way on or off the boardwalk and you know what? Nobody paid ANY attention, just like he said! If anyone even glanced over, they smiled and kept walking. And it's not like he stopped tickling me so they wouldn't notice, either. If anything, he made sure I was making noise as they walked by.

And then there was the time that I had him buried and it was a MUCH MORE crowded beach. People were all around us. I was a little timid at first but the sight of his poor bare feet sticking out of the sand overrode all of that. Again, almost no one even glanced our way. There was this one woman, about 30 feet away, who was clearly delighted with what she was seeing. I considered her my audience 🙂

The point is, to all those people, it was just tickling. A game, playing, silly, whatever. Only to me and Kuj was it anything more....and maybe to that lady. 🙂

Can you imagine tossing a virgin into a room with multiple women tied up with signs that say "Fuck Me" and be surprised that he may not have the willingness to join in? Even knowing that he may be mocked by friends for not partaking, it's possible his values, nerves and feelings on the subject go beyond the casualness you're trying to present here.

Ah, but again, that's FUCKING. This is just tickling 🙂 I know it means more to US, but not to most folks (too bad for them).

I can talk about everything sex under the sun to many people, but can find myself stuttering talking about tickling to the uninitiated

Me too!

 

[likeasong1]

Dovalys said it perfectly with the alertness of harassment. Especially because tickling is so sexual for me. Me tickling a girl is pretty much me making an advance on her, and a pretty forward one at that. That kinda ropes me in a bit.

 

[venray1]

We are all prisoners of the social morays we were brought up with. To many, any public expression of love or playfulness between adults is still taboo. Times have changed greatly over the years, but the things that were drilled into your head growing up are hard to overcome for many.....

Nice thread....:cool

 

[Wade1]

We are all prisoners of the social morays we were brought up with.

Which I wouldn't mind if they would just stop swimming so close to me.

 

[Kujman1]

Everyone looks at it so differently. So many tabboos. So many fears out there. I don't get it. I still say that to most of the normal world -on the NORMAL level, not sexual- TK is a silly little thing (unless you're a perv grabbing at someone's privates to tickle!).. and they could care less, and forget about it a second later.. again unless you're an anonoying perv about it and won't stop. In which case you should be sowly beaten to death with a greasy fish mallot from Red Lobster.

Now, where Inverse innocently went off-path is that she assumed (in so much) that I had now become one of usual one-dimensional, uncaring, bedroom-notch-seeking ticklers, casually dismissing tickling as a silly hobby that has no levels- when, as pointed out by Karma, that is anything but me. I am about quality. Immersion of emotion in scenes. Opening up with your partner(s). Or, as some have thought about me- not about a gaggle or harem of ladies around me to shallowy tickle and move on.

So Inverse, you are incorrect about me. I've not changed, I've even grown more so. Delved deeper into it all. Created more, done more, far away from the online world of flamers. There is so much nuance to TK and bdsm combined, more than Tk'ers will ever get to. So much emotion, so much headspace and even soul-connecting... when you have people of that depth around you. I'm blessed to have a partner of such.

However, this thread was about ticklers who are "afraid" to venture out and even try a 'tickle'... even so much with their partners. Many say it takes courage- I don't think it takes courage if you simply remove the false fear behind it that's been heaped on by ticklers of a lesser ilk over the years online.

There are lines you don't cross, naturally. Intelligent people in this fetish know and respect that. I do. I hope others of intelligence act accordingly. Now I can't account for the nincompoops who act like assholes in RL- that's their problem.

However, using that intelligence and common sense, there's no reason you can't go right up to the edge of those lines discussed.. and maybe dangle over a tad.. into the area where real life vanilla tk and tk the fetish (morally harnessed) mesh or cross over.. IF you have the ability and wit to do such, and pull back.

Do you know how many times I've been walking thru a parking lot towards a 7/11 in the summer at the shore and seen a nice pair of bare feet sticking out the window of a parked car.. and headlocked them and tickled them (briefly, but deeply)... smiled.. and walked on? Playful, fun, not sexual in my mind at all. There's squeals, a scream, always laughter, and then an "Oh my God!", followed by pulling the feet back into the car.. and more laughter. Sometimes as I'm walking out even a daring 'foot wave' back out the window as they're pulling away!

No one cares. No one remembers. No tickle police called.

Once driving to Atlantic City on the parkway, I was the passenger in a convertable. Driving alongside us was another car with bare feet poking out the side, facing me (of all people!)

The person driving our car had a cat toy in the back seat that consisted of a 24" stick with feathers attached to it. I grabbed at it, waved it out over the door reaching as best I could (yes, no seat belt days!) to try and tickle those feet. Now~ being who I am, I know of course that toy wouldn't tickle much in any scene I'm in-- and probably not at all given these circumstances.

But I realized this was vanilla-life tickling.. also being the point here as well. Thus began a fun, innocent cat and mouse driving game (that I would never recommend as there was a professional driver at our helm whom I'd raced with!!) with the goal for both cars and occupants being to get that feather to run across those bare feet to 'tickle' them. She was stretching her legs and feet as close as she could, I was doing my best with the toy, and avoiding running too many toll booths.

The end result was after one or two tickles at high speed, she actually clutched the toy with her long toes and took it! We were out one high-tech cat toy, boo-hoo.

As a sad side-note, the cat was so aroused it jumped out of the car after the toy. But it was getting carsick anyway.

To them, it was just a fun time tickle. Laughed about, not taken as a moral indecency or sexual dilemma. No fetish, nothing sexual at all. To me, very different, but just as fun.

Same holds true for the grade school teachers, high schoolteachers, audience members, beach-goers, sororities, and all public-meets-tickler encounters l've had along the way on such lighter levels. There's no courage involved. Decency, yes.

Perhaps this world has just gone overboard being politically correct? Screw that. There'd be no fun and no spontenaity left in life. I'm still calling my Christmas tree by it's name.

NOTE😛olitically Correct Disclosure​

No Animal Or Cat Was Actually Harmed In The Making Of This Tickling Thread Post. Any Such Reference Was Made For Humorous Purposes Only. Any Resemblance To Any Cat Living Or Dead Is Purely Coincidence And A Damn Shame. The Cat Was Too Busy Driving And On His Cell Phone At The Time Of This Occurrance To Be Involved As The Submitted Photo Displays.

 

[Inverse]

Thanks for being real Kujman~ I've always appreciated that from you even on the TMF. I tried to convey that I do not know you in my post, hopefully not all of that was lost. I just ask that you put yourself in the position of others, and that doesn't always mean writing off their reasons as the reasons you THINK they feel a certain way, but truly their perspective. It's not always about political correctness, it could be something far simpler or more complex.

Then again, who knows~? That's the thing I'm getting at, we just don't know. Perhaps you live an otherwise, special life. Perhaps experiences, really do vary~ perhaps people DO lack courage, not just with tickling... some people find it hard to say, hello~ that doesn't make them lesser people. (Not that you're suggesting such~ just pointing it out.)

I know you see tickling as deeper than a passing thing, but it's not just tickling for some. Some people elevate too highly, than even you. Some people are young, inexperienced and put things on pedestals. I've known people who do that with the opposite sex~ and can barely carry on a conversation, simply because they hold something (or someone) as so special, that they become untouchable. Maybe that's worth mockery, or disappointment, but my personality tries to understand why they feel that way and address that (if I'm going to mention it at all) before simply attacking their courage. People are very different. They see things very differently than you. I don't even know how old you are, but I'm sure the world is a very different place for you now than maybe twenty years ago. Let people grow in their own way, maybe they'll learn a thing or two as they do so.

At least you're making an attempt to learn why, and hopefully I've offered a small level of that insight. It's different for everyone... some people, are just afraid to feel. We live in a world where some people are afraid to shake hands Kuj~ physical contact is strangely a foreign concept to some, and not all of them decided with ease to have a tickling fetish. <3

 

[Kujman1]

Inverse- perhaps you haven't read my words the way they're meant. I've been making an attempt to understand this fetish, the people in it, around it, and myself, ever since I created Tied & Tickled magazine many decades back. Taking TK to levels that others... well... they still seem to be lightyears away from yet. I don't understand that either.

I never attacked anyone's courage, look again. I merely say it doesn't take courage to tickle. Especially in original the case of the guy who simply wants to tickle his friend, vanilla-wise. No sex, no bondage, no harcore. Just a passing tickle. That's no reason to be petrified.

Yes- I always try to understand. To see it their way. Sometimes that's awfully hard being where I am (not above or below, but out in left field- things come easier to me it would seem). I simply felt it's always easier when someone is there who has done it (me), takes you by the hand, and says "Now follow me.. do what I do" and once you get your footing, you're on your own path.

But honestly, I get tired of leading a horse to water- only to wind up with a wet horse knee-deep in water that still won't drink.

It still boils down to the fact that some say they are scared, and some are not. Some are doers... some are not. While I don't understand why it takes "courage"... my goal is not so much to understand that but to help them move along, move forward, be more creative, experience every nuance of it. Not to be afraid. Not to settle for garbage. Not to be frozen in stasis.

There's never been any mockery involved, not on my part. Humor? Yes. That's part of my profession. But as anyone who knows me will testify, I have the greatest understanding and collective caring for those intelligent, creative folk into this who wish to further the experience.

And I'll never be about the "fast, cheap & easy" ways that the TK world has been overrun by.

However, in reading your response I think you may have found the answer; some people are just afraid to feel. And for those in that category I have the greatest sympathy. It will be a life half-lived 🙁

 

[Mash]

Some people don't like to be touched.

Some people think it's weird for someone to randomly start tickling them.

You have to remember that tickling is a fetish that is known to very few. Some people WILL judge you for that, and for some of the insecure people, that judgment would frighten them.

 

[sadi]

I think a possible reason that that man/teenager/whatever -Male!- didn't engage in the 'blatantly' obvious opportunity of tickling may also be for 'other' reasons those of the male species are predisposed toward: to you, you have the knowledge/experience, just the plain capability of differentiating 'sexual' tickles from mere 'playful' tickles, like the ones you would engage in with your children or otherwise innocent acts of tickling as you've mentioned so far.
To some, I'm going to take a leap here and say particularly to those just experiencing and learning about their 'fetish' may initially have a lopsided view of it - or they may progress to have one, each person's choices lead them along a personal, individual path.
What I'm trying to get at is the fact that for this person (and other males), engaging in such (potentially sexual) ticklish acts may have the side-effect of making him 'aroused'. And, it's always FAR easier for women to hide their levels of arousal than men.

What if he had engaged in tickling those women's exposed feet, but in the process he developed a major boner? Would random passerby then see it as so innocent, not to even say the 'women' whose feet he's tickling?

There's a certain level of 'maturity' and 'control' necessary for the mind (again, particularly the male mind) to differentiate filial and sexual tickling, as the failure to noticeably separate the two might end in devastating results, particularly for males again.


As for me, personally, I barely Ever dare to engage in the playful 'tickling' of someone out of a👎 (unreasonable amount of) paranoia of the potential outcomes that may arise. If I tickle them, then they may be very likely to retaliate the 'offer' by tickling me! And that is something I dare not risk (except for when I'm 'particularly' stupid - and no, I'm not inebriated when I do! >_<).

I think in general, if you're confident enough about yourself, and act confidently when you're tickling another person, regardless if you really 'are' confident or not, the other person won't read into it any more (unless they have offenses or inclinations toward the same thing themselves).



But if you're a guy who's tickling an attractive girl, you might end up looking 'quite' embarrassing, to both yourself and to her, if you can't control yourself 'down there'. There's extra precautions that males have to cover/hide when they engage in tickling sometimes, unfortunately, and that's just how it goes.

My two cents on the subject... *shrug*

 

[brushtickler]

So now that we're talking about the person who started it... might as well own up and say that it was in fact me. However, reading through this entire topic thus far has actually helped me a lot.

Kujman: I know sometimes people just need to kind of state things flatly like you did in order for me to fully get it and when I read your original post I did in fact (as cheesy as it sounds) realize that I really shouldn't be worrying too much about it.

However

Inverse: I do also believe that you were able to pinpoint why I was worried (and the reasons why I'm not 100% un-worried at the moment). Which is basically because I've really never tickled someone before (aside from having tickled someone for 2-3 seconds once or twice). So if I were to tickle someone for more than that, it would really be doing that for the first time for me.

Just figured that I should get into the conversation more than I already was.

 

[Kujman1]

Please don't take any offense to it, none was meant. It wasn't based on you as much as it was based on several others who've been emailing me about meeting lees, and also my other friend- the one who flew so many miles to remain... unfullfilled... even after a lifetime (and this was not a young man) of dreaming it. It was an overall synopsis of a fear many, many people have, and in some small way I was trying to find a way to help you and others overcome that and get a chance to do the many things I have, and have a ball with it. No harm in trying.

Of course I've been trying that for three decades and it hasn't really worked yet- for many of the reasons stated here by so many: people just are what they are.

So I'm going to close out my time in this thread with my motto: to each his own.

 

[Redbaron]

tickle tickle

You seem to take it to a deeper level so easily...meaning the bondage aspect of it...getting in a quick tickle is easy....I can think of many instances I have just gotten in a quick tickle.....one of my favorites was a lady in a gym working her hamstrings...on this piece of equipment you have to push down to work your hamstrings, so your feet end up extended out between two padded bars after a set...anyway for whatever reason this lady had taken her shoes off to do this exercise. After she had finished a set I walked over to her as she was huffing and puffing. I said "shall I motivate you to do another set..", and with that began raking her soles as she delightful guffawed and began wiggling her feet, too tired to get them out...after about 10 seconds I walked away as she regained her composure and her breath, smiling and saying next time I will keep my shoes on! But how I would have loved to have done it for 30 minutes!!!