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The End.. With My Father

Mitchell

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As many who know me are aware, I posted in late 2005 about a phone call with my father, after being estranged from him for the greater parts of 2004 and 2005. We had been in communication exactly one year on December 28th of 2006. In that time, things had not gone well, and today, it is apparent that things have likely reached a sad conclusion.
During this past year, I had attempted to create a new relationship with my father. In the past, there was resentment on both sides. Resentment from me, because I felt that he did not want a son, but, in fact, wanted a puppet, to suck up to all those in his life, whom he deemed important, to give himself a "complete life", and perfection, after basically being responsible for destroying my family, his marriage to my mom, and my relationship with him. While at times he did aid me financially, he felt that I only wanted him for any money I could get out of him, which was completely not true. The man was emotionally barren, and had nothing to offer me but money. Nothing in the way of love, or parental support emotionally. From my age of reason, he always based his treatment of me on how I treated not him, but my emotionally abusive grandmother. Simply put, the guy treated me like shit!
So, last year, when I pulled the phone out of my mom's hands, to speak to him, I wanted to try a completely different approach. I intended not to ask for, or expect, any money from him, and, in return, hoped that he would base his relationship with me on just he and I, and not anyone else. How mistaken I was.
In the beginning, things didnt seem bad. We would talk every week, and he sent me a nice birthday gift last January. I kept asking him:" Dad, I would like to see you, when can you see me?" Each week, he would put me off. He travels a lot for his work, as his primary company is in Toronto, and he lives in New York City. Granted, he's not on the road every day, or every week, and at some point, for one day, he could have found time to see his son.
Winter, stretched into spring, which stretched into summer, and to fall. Never once did he ask to see me. He tossed the subject around a couple of times, and then would let it drop. One time, I thought we were going to make an appointment, and he was called to business in London. Fine, I'm a reasonable person, the guy has to earn a living, I get that, but not to find ONE DAY in a year, to see his son??! He only lives less than 2 hours train ride from me. I was willing to meet him in Philadelphia, to meet halfway, and make his trip one plus hour, and mine one plus hour, no dice.
A side track here. My whole relationship with him, needed to be he and I only, because, I cant stand the woman he is married to. First, she married him, in 1997, without even meeting me, when we were estranged. Strike one there. She didnt think that it was important that we were estranged. To me, that makes her of very questionable character. However, the last time my dad and I were in touch, she did something, that sealed the deal for life.
As I mentioned, my grandmother caused my family a lot of trouble, and was the reason for my parents divorce. Without ever meeting me, or hearing my side of the story, one day, in 2001, my dad blurted out:" Cheryl thinks you should stop your bullshit, and call your grandmother, because, she's old, and she's going to die soon" Buzz! Hello, bitch? I should call my grandmother. Who the hell are you? Did you live my childhood? Did you suffer with what my dad put me through, for my grandmother, and what my grandmother put me through? Who the fuck are you, to pass judgement on me!?" Alas, my dad and I were together from 2000 to 2004, and I didnt meet Cheryl, especially after that comment. Additionally, I have knowledge that Cheryl barred me from the hospital, when my dad had his angioplasty in 2003, even though, I promised him repeatedly, I would come, and not cause any trouble with my grandmother, uncle, or Cheryl, all of whom I was not talking to. I wanted to come, support my dad, see him, bring him a get well gift I had bought, and leave, end of story. Alas, no, my dad told me, unless you are having a RELATIONSHIP with Cheryl, you, Mitchell, cannot come. Alas, I didnt. I never quite got over that hurt, and I still talked to him.
Which brings me to today. I had sent him an e-mail, close to two weeks ago, telling him about his treatment of me, and how hurt I was, that he treated me like shit. He kept putting me off, and then finally, today, he got back to me, and it was not good.
After ranting about his financial "hardship" (Bullshit, as the guy lives in a 4000-5000 a mo NYC apt) he went on to tell me how "Cheryl has at times advanced him money to pay my mom's alimony, and, how I have "shunned her", and "never even met her" The whole email was convuluted, and twisted. My point in writing him was not to talk about my mom, her alimony, or Cheryl. It was to talk about his treating me like shit! I dont care where he gets the money to pay. Alimony is a legal obligation, and I am his son! They are two different fucking things altogether! I dont owe Cheryl anything, or him, for that matter, because he has to borrow the money to pay alimony. If you are so tight, asshole, dont fucking live in a $4000+ a month NYC apartment. Reduce your life. My mom did, and so did I. We live modestly. Our place is nice, but it doesnt cost anywhere NEAR that. Once he interjected that Cheryl is some kind of fucking saint, for advancing him money, for his legal obligation, I knew I was licked. This fucking asshole my father has the audacity to expect to tell a 37 year old man who to see, after Cheryl and him fucked all over me, and his fatherhood. His email to me should have been,:" Son, I love you, and I want to see you soon", but no, all it talked about was saint fucking Cheryl bitch!
I wrote him back, and told him that his e-mail, and his behavior to me was extremely apparent, that he wanted out, and if he did, why didnt he just say so, like a man, instead of treating me like this. He never answered, but he doesnt have to. I know what his intent is. Chances are, I'll never hear from him again, and, while it is tragic, in the long run, I know, that I, and my future wife and children, will be better off.
I apologize for this long rant. I realize that something like this got me some negative feedback some months ago. However, that rant, was bullshit, and probably something I should never have gone on about. This is heart ache. My mom tells me that she has known how he is for years, and that it shouldnt surprise me, but it still hurts like hell. I dont think one ever gets over it. This time, I can truly walk away with my head held high. I did nothing to him, and tried to have a relationship with him, and he treated me like dirt. I have reason to believe, from her past comments about me, that Cheryl fanned the flames, using my dead grandmother as her weapon, to cause problems. They have created their own little family with Cheryl, my dad, and her daughter, and there is no room for me. If there were poetic justice, with me out of the picture, somehow, I wish my dad would learn a lesson about Cheryl, or, that maybe, his marriage wouldn't go so well, so he'd understand how valuable a son is. "Stepmothers" are sore subjects, in the best of cases, but, in the case of how my dad treated me in my childhood, and how Cheryl shunned, and then caused trouble for me, it was intolerable.
Alas, it looks like it is over. I am very hurt, and somber. Yet, I have to go on. I dont think the pain ever fully goes away, but, yet, one deals with it. They have no choice. End of long post. I wont even call this "Rant". It is more, a reflection, of my dad's and my relationship, at what is an apparent tragic end, an end that didnt have to be, because, I didnt want anything from him, other than a little of his time, his effort, and his love, without condition of my having to suck up to intolerable other subjects, who treated me like shit. Alas, his complete life, his happiness, and Cheryl's position, is more important to him, than his relationship with me. I didnt even ever expect to come first. I always knew that Cheryl is ,always has been, and always would be, his priority. I just wanted a little piece of my dad, for his time, sometimes, but, he is so obsessed with Cheryl, that, it could not be. I must deal with the pain, as I am now, and go on. It will not be easy, but, I will face it, as I have before, with strength, and dignity. What other choice do I have?

Mitch
 
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I'm *really sorry to hear about this new/huge negative development, but it may be for the best. Most likely your dad will eventually wake up & realize he made a massive mistake here, allowing himself to be influenced by those who are either abusive or unattached,
but at least you handled it decently or nicely, so *you should have more peace of mind (I know, easy for me to write...). I'll write separately --
 
Babbles, thanks for your kind support. You are a great friend. Honestly, while it can be hoped that my father will realize one day that he made a huge mistake, he also has no remorse, so, it is likely, that he will simply blot me out of his mind, and pretend that his wife and her daughter were always his, and that he never had a child. Fine. It is his loss.
Take care, and thanks again.

Mitch
 
Sam, thanks for the support, my friend. I'm sorry to hear about you being involved with an abusive girlfriend. Abusive significant others can suck, big time. My best friend was involved with a very emotionally abusive girl, back in the early 90's, for three years. They finally split. It turned out to be the best thing for him, in the long run.
Yes, it hurts. I've been basically sitting here the last 24 hours, thinking:" How the hell did this happen, AGAIN?" It shouldnt surprise me, but yet.. Last year, the day that I pulled the phone out of my mom's hands, he sent me an e-mail saying that he wanted to have a new "relationship" with me. I was hopeful, but, apparently, he meant to just make things worse.
It is likely over, but, there will be one interesting scenario to see. My birthday is coming up two weeks from today, on January 23rd. In past years, when we were estranged, my father would send me cards, letters, give me phone calls, and even sometimes birthday gifts, or money. I will be interested to see what he does, if anything, this year. My mom feels that he will let it go by, without acknowledgement. This could well be, but I will not know until that day. If he doesn't acknowledge it, fine, whatever, but, even if he does, and even if he does send me something, after the "Thank You", there will be a major correspondence about his actions. I dont know what is going to be, but, all I can do is to just wait it out.
Thanks again for the support, Sam.

Mitch
 
I'm very sorry to hear things aren't working out with you and your father Mitch. I have relationship problems of my own regarding my mother so I can understand how you must be feeling.

I sincerely hope that in the future you and your father will be able to reconcile your differences and form some sort of relationship.
 
We don't know each other but...

I was moved by your plight and felt I had to offer what support I could. While it is always best to remove toxic people from your life, that is an especially daunting task when they are members of your family. Worst of all is parents, when they fall into that category. I am truly sorry for your loss.

I saw that you apologized for the "rant". I want to remind you that this is a community. And while we have never shared more than a passing word or two in the chat room, we are a part of this community. And when one is in need of support, other than family, where does one go? To their friends, their peers. People who understand the "unity" part of community will embrace you and do what they can to ease your pain. Sometimes we only need to sound off about a problem; Put it into a tangible thing, like a rant, so that we can be free of it. If this gathering place of friends is not suitable for that, that where is?

I will offer this advice. You will move on faster if you can find some way to forgive him (and Cheryl). Otherwise it will be harder to let it go. I was in an abusive controlling marriage for many years. I have 4 children from it. Even after the divorce, it wasn't until I could forgive her, without her even knowing, that I was able to let go of the hurt and anger.

I hope some of what I said helps. And I hope your pain heals quickly and you can move on and be prosperous.
 
Chosen, thank you, I am very sorry to hear about how your mother treated you. That is a gut wrenching blow to any child, and, from what I've heard, it can even be worse, if it is a mother.
Ny, thank you for the support. I am sorry to hear about your situation with your marriage. Having four children from a broken relationship is difficult. As much as you had bad feelings for your ex, you will always be connected to her through your kids. That is how it should be. In my case, my father didnt even have enough respect for his fatherhood, to understand, that, no matter what, he and my mom would always be connected through both not only me, but one day, my children. He essentially tried to blot my mom out with statements such as "Some people are closer to their stepmothers", implying that I would suck up to Cheryl, and dump my mom. Never happening. He has also said things like: "I know many people who dont see their children, life goes on", thus accepting an estrangement, and never trying to work through the problems.
Will I have to come to terms with this? Yes, of course. I cant go on like this. Can I "forgive"? No, I really dont think forgive is the word. I dont feel that my father, or Cheryl, should be forgiven. He is one who holds grudges for many years, and has, about the most trivial of things. I cant "forgive" someone who treated me like this for over 20 years. At some point, the anger will erode, and, it will just be a situation of estrangement, like it was before. In reality, that is the only way I can see it being.
Thank you both for the support. It is appreciated.

Mitch

One final thing: I do agree with you, ny, about this being a community, and a place to vent feelings. Without getting into the specifics, sometime ago, I had gone off about something, that, at the time, seemed like it bothered me a great deal, that, in fact, was most trivial, compared to this, and had gotten some very negative feedback. Some of it may have been justifed, but some of it, in my view, was not. Therefore, I had promised myself, that I was going to be measured, about what I posted on here, after that. However, seeing this situation with my dad, I figured that I would put it out there, maybe to vent, and, hopefully, to seek support. I feel very grateful for the support I have received in this thread, and, I want to thank everyone, who took time out to post their supportive thoughts. It means a great deal to me.
 
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I understand your feelings. And if it helps any, if you have a rant that you think unsuitable for the whole community, feel free to share it with me without fear of judgement.
 
Thanks, pal, you are a good guy, and I will definitely keep that in mind.

Mitch
 
Sam, thanks, my friend. You mentioned it likely being over with my father, after he said that he wanted a new relationship, and then made it worse. I think you may well be right. Like I said, I will have a pretty good idea two weeks from today. My mom seems to feel it is done. I'm the type of person who has to get to the situation, play things out, and then see. I think that my being in his life caused complications with the bitch he is married to. They had created their little family, based on secrets and lies, because, the woman has no idea what my father did to my mom and me. Once that happened, any time I came back into this life, she felt threatened. The reality is, I was never a threat. I despise her, for marrying him, when we were estranged, and passing judgement on me, without knowing the situation, but, never did I tell him to leave her, or to compromise family time with her, for me. Even when I was seeing him from 2000 to 2003, it was always at off times, when it didnt affect his family time with her. All I wanted was a small place in his life. That has never been able to be, because of his obsessed fusion to her.
Anyhow, thanks again, and take it easy.

Mitch
 
Hmm, it seems that the children hurt when the parents just do not love them. I don't mean just little children, I mean anyone who has parents.

You know, one would assume that the children of an abusive father would hate that dad, but it seems seldom the case. Like the emotional scarring never quite heals. The kids still want a relationship.

Here is something I heard somewhere - The parents have to be there for the kids a lot more than the kids have to be there for the parents. At any age
I am a father and a son, and I honestly feel it is more important that i be there for MY son than for my dad. BTW the 3 of us get along, even if we do not always agree.

For those sons and daughters who cannot seem to rebuld a relationship with their parents - Most try their damnedest, and that is all they can do. When the parents pass away, they can at least say - "I did everything in my power to make things right."
 
Les, thank you for the insight. Very well said, and you make some very interesting points.
In my case, what you said was very true. No matter what my father did to me, and how he hurt me, or harmed me, with threats, no love, and such, I always wanted to have a relationship with him. My pulling the phone out of my mom's hands last year, was, upon looking back on it, an impulsive, foolish act. The man had ignored me when told I had high blood pressure, and, for nine months, between the time of my diagnosis, and the time I pulled the phone away, never sent me as much as an e-mail, card, or note, of thoughtfulness. That should have been my clue. Yet, often to my detriment, I am an idealist. I thought just maybe, if I behaved differently, so would he. Alas, I was proven wrong. Earlier today, a friend told me, that, symbolicly, except for my mom receiving her alimony check every month, I need to pretend in my mind that my father has passed away, and my situation with him is final. An interesting perspective, and one, which might serve me well.
You mentioned your scenario with your dad and children, and the complexities of relationships. All relationships, even the best ones, have ups and downs, and you have your prioroties straight. Your children come first, complex relationship or not, which is as it should be. Parents do not emotionally abandon their children for anyone, as my father has abandoned me. Everyone, from his mother, to his brother, to now the witch he is married to, has always come first, and he has always sold me down the river, and abandoned me, for all of them. This, I think, will be a coming to terms process for me. Maybe, I am kicking myself, for not watching out for myself, when I pulled the phone out of my mom's hands. Someone who is very close to me has told me that I am a very impulsive person, who does not think before I act, and, in this scenario, they were right. No more. I am also not going to wait around for my father to let me hang out to dry, and contact me in a year, or five years from now. I have made a personal deadline that if he does not contact me by my birthday, which is two weeks from today, to say something, constructive, or reconciling, or rational, I am done. I will not wait around for him for a year, or two, to cool off, and then try to get me back in the fold, as he has in the past. The son of a bitch has verbalized to me that:" Sometimes parents and children are estranged for a while, and then not, and then are again", which is how it has been for us. In the past, I put up with this rollercoaster, but no more. He has two weeks, to say something rational to me, or he is done. If he contacts me in a year, two, three, or five, I will tell him that he has hung me out to dry, and I have been down that road with him too many times, and now he can live with it for the rest of his life.
Thanks for the perspective, it is appreciated.

Mitch
 
Mitch,

I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't generally respond to your threads but I do read them. I decided to respond to this one because I have been where you are with parents. It is a tough place to be.I was trapped for a long time wanting something from my parents they were unable to give to me. I wanted their time and attention....and I wanted them to approve of my life.I could not figure out why a parent would not want to be in my life...or why they didn't love me. I could do nothing to change this.

I knew I had to change my point of view because to ask "why" presumed that I could do something to "fix" it....and I couldn't. What started me on the road to forgiveness was seeing myself as separate from my parents....even not related...they were people I knew.....
I eventually found myself "separate" from them and their perceptions of me and their rejections of me.......they no longer defined any part of me....I found me. Only then could I let them be who they are without being angry.

I know this sounds simple...but it was a long process. I still have very little contact with them...but I do contact them....it is not a bad thing...it is what it is. I no longer need them to tell me I am worthy.... I get my worthiness from the life I have built.....I built it without their approval ....and it is good! I tell you the truth when I say that I do forgive them. I forgive their lack of wisdom and all of the pain they have caused themselves needlessly. I see human folly...but it is at a distance now.

Children of all ages want their parents to tell them the are worthy....but not all parents do....when you become your own person they no longer have to...
I hope this helps...blessings to you.

I hope this is not too disorganised..I am very tired writing this tonight..
 
Mitch, i really hate it for you that your relationship with your father has come to this.. I hope that someday he will realize what he is suppose to do.. one thing though, and i only say this because i've seen something like this happen in a kind of similar situation.. as reguarding to Cheryl, seems like your dad would have probably poured lots of negative energy into her about you, so she might think the problem is you and not him.. I could be and probably am wrong about it, but as bad as your dad treats you seems like he would probably mislead her about you other than the way the rest of the world see's you.. Maybe Cheryl isn't the bad person she seems, not saying she has done everything right, but maybe its your dad .. maybe if you did try to find some kind of positive relationship with her and only with her, even if it be small, it would help her see the situation as it truthfully is and both you and cheryl might work together to change your father into a better person.. i've seen to good guys throw hatered toward each other because of the deceit of a girl.. neither of them knew each other and later when they had a chance to talk to truth came out.. not quite the same scenerio, but hopefully its light on something not completely lost
 
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I`m sorry, Mitch. I know how hard you tried. I hope things get better for you.
 
Tickles, I am sorry to hear about how your parents are. A lot of times, distance is the way to go, as opposed to complete estrangement. My best friend's sister has virtually nothing to do with her parents, but, still isnt totallty estranged.
Chuck, thanks for the feedback. To give a bit more history, yes, no doubt, my dad, as well as my uncle, and my grandmother too, before she died, interjected very negative energy with Cheryl, for the purpose of making me look like the bad guy, and themselves the saints. The problem I have with Cheryl is, that she never sought me out, or reserved judgement, until meeting me. She just married my father, not caring that we were estranged, and then shot her mouth off, about how I should call my grandmother, without knowing the facts. That is wrong. Any seperate meeting with her, or relationship with her, is impossible. Her own daughter was estranged from her father during periods while I was in touch with my dad from 2000 to 2004, and I dont think that either Cheryl or her daughter would have liked it, if I had said to my dad, without ever meeting Cheryl, or her daughter:" Gee, Cheryl's daughter should just call her father, just because he is her father" That would be wrong of me to say it, and I never would, because I dont know that situation. I've never met Cheryl's daughter, or Cheryl's daughter's dad, so how the hell do I know what that girl went through in her childhood with him? My estrangement from my grandmother was a huge issue between my dad and me, and still is. Cheryl no doubt knew this, and used it to her advantage, to fan the flames, and steam my dad up that I was a bad person. I have proof of this by statements my dad made.
Right now, I grieve, over my father and I, and our lost relationship. I truly could not give a damn about Cheryl. I keep hoping that somehow, my father will begin to treat Cheryl the same way that he treated my mom and me, so that this bitch will finally get a taste of just how bad he really is, and see that I'm not the bad guy. That, to me, would be poetic justice
Bill, thanks for the support, my friend. You are a great guy. Your friendship means a lot to me.
Thanks again, everyone, I am truly touched by the suppport I have received during this difficult time. I am relieved that I shared this situation, and that I have the support of good friends.

Mitch
 
Well Mitch, don't let yourself down for not being able to restore/make things better with your father.. fortunately i didn't have to go threw any of this with either of my parents.. you have lots of respect from me and i hope others can see from your example.. parents are stronge examples for their kid's lives, and for you to look beyond your father's bad examples and to be a better person is a great thing.. many brownie points
 
Chuck, thanks for the support and respect. You are a good guy, and I appreciate it.
As for letting myself down: I dont blame myself. I know that this was in no way my fault. My father has severe psychological problems. At one point, many years ago, he had agreed to go for analysis, but, after a short time, left the doctor, because, I think, he had started to see reality a bit, and became scared, so he had to slip back into never never land.
This bitch who he is married to is keeping him sick. Instead of telling him to go into a shrink, and deal with himself, due to his issues with his son, she is fanning the flames, telling him everything he wants to hear, and making sure he and I are apart. Unfortunately, she will likely get her wish. because, in his day to day life, he needs her more than he needs me. She is his priority, and I am nothing, which is as it has always been.
Thanks again, Chuck.

Mitch
 
Hey, Mitch! As always, you & I share a birthday and a Father. Yeah, you know from our past conversations that our situations are quite similar, the Old Man who knows he's been wrong, yet finds it easier to cope with the truth by avoiding it and delving into the second family composed of an emotionally warped and possessive second wife and step-daughter (Who is also now estranged, BTW). Other than comparisons between us, there is little of any lasting good I can offer that others here have not already pointed out. I will say the anger does erode in time, you know this, and the pain...Well, the pain kinda softens, in a twisted way becoming like an old friend. It replaces the lost (Or never existing) relationship in a way that when it visits you're almost happy to feel it. It has always served to remind me that I never wanted my Son to feel this way about me.

In contrast, my Son has no relationship with his Mother, and never has. Please believe me, when he was growing up I refused to say anything negative about his Mother to him. Life is tough enough on a Motherless child without berating her in front of him, then when he screws up, saying, "You're just like your Mother!" No, she is the one who screwed herself out of a Son, and now a Granddaughter. Never seeing him, always relocating when life got challenging, changing Husbands like diapers, making promises she never intended to keep, and going literally years without contacting him in any way. You should have seen him watch the mail during the December of his 7th birthday, waiting for the boxes she promised him over the phone, and the silent agony he endured the following 2 years when she was too ashamed of herself to even contact him to give a lame excuse. Talk about your advanced dream-crusher. I pray God his experiences serve to also remind him throughout his life that his new child will suffer for his actions, or thrive through them. It's his responsibility. In fact, I hope he reads this.

In 2006, a year that was remarkable in so many ways, I actually saw my Father twice, 2 months apart. First during Halloween (My Wife usually took our Daughter there for treats when I was working nights), then to show him pictures of his Great-Granddaughter. For nearly 30 years he was visibly very uncomfortable around me, even tho we rarely were within speaking distance of each other, going years without meeting, living 6 miles apart. My Daughter was 4 years old before he would actually ask her for a hug, and God help me, I was working and didn't see it (THAT is a regret that will always haunt me). This last time, when I showed him the pics of the new baby, for just a few moments, everything was forgotten. I got on his computer (with him hovering over my shoulder) and showed him the Xanga site I got the pics from. Mitch, those few moments were worth 30 years of my life. I don't expect any lasting change, but my "Old Friend," the pain, has felt most welcome since.

To those who would give you grief about these posts of yours, piss on 'em. They are toilet paper. Use them as such. The lack of sympathy they express is actually a lack of empathy. Apparently they have a strong, lasting relationship with a Father-figure, thus a sense of entitlement that we ALL have a birthright to, yet lack the common decency NOT to stick needles in a wounded person.

Now, before I bust into tears, I'm gonna end this. You have a good New Year, Mitch, and a good Birthday. Try to remember that only you can bring yourself down about this mess with your Father. Seems he can do no further damage. You have two good feet, Little Brother. They'll hold you up with no help from him, tho you might limp a bit from the scars.
 
Rexx, thanks for the heartfelt thought, my friend. I am very sorry to hear about how your ex treated your son, and how your father treated you. Parents who treat their children in that manner, and the manner that my dad treated me, dont deserve to be acknowledged by their children.
Just so you know, while I live 150 miles from my father now, for the first ten years of our estrangement, from 1989 to 1999, he lived in Manhattan,and I lived in Fort Lee, NJ, right over the George Washington Bridge, across the Hudson River, only a few miles away. While we werent completely estranged without passing any words to each other for ten years, we did have periods of over two years, with no communication at all. Our longest estrangement was from June 1997, to April 2000. We were also estranged from March 2004, until December 2005, the fateful day that I pulled the phone away from my mom. Although we had been talking for a year on the phone, from December 2005, until the day after Christmas in 2006, I havent seen him in person since a visit in Philadelphia in November 2003. I asked him repeatedly to see me during the year we were speaking on the phone this past year, only to be rebuffed. My father is a very weak man emotionally, and his wife has no doubt fanned the flames. My mom feels in her heart that it is over, and that I will never hear from him again. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, in the past, he has always contacted me for my birthday with cards, gifts, and such, even if we were estranged. You know when my birthday is, as yours is the same day. I am going to wait to see if I hear from him on my birthday. If he doesnt contact me at all for the birthday, then I believe it is over, maybe for good, because it would be the first year, since 1990, the first bday after my parents split, that he wouldnt have contacted me at all. If I do hear from him, then I will try to talk it out with him. It is possible that maybe he is just taking a hiatus for a couple of weeks, to think. Time will tell.
Thanks again, rexx, my friend, and take care. Happy New Year, and Happy Birthday to you as well, and all the best to you, my friend.

Mitch
 
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I'm very sorry to hear things aren't working out with you and your father Mitch. I have relationship problems of my own regarding my mother so I can understand how you must be feeling.

I sincerely hope that in the future you and your father will be able to reconcile your differences and form some sort of relationship.

I haven't even spoken to my grandmother in 15 years, because of all the times she tried to shit on my mom, my aunt, and me.

She was never happy, unless she had something or somebody to bitch about.

She basically cut us out, because we would not suck up to her super-sized ego.
 
I'm sorry to hear that, ticklemaster. My grandmother died in the summer of 2005, and I hadnt spoken to her in the last 17 years of her life. She caused trouble with me, because she was jealous, that I was closer to my mom's parents, because they were warm, and loving, and treated me well, and she was a troublemaking bitch. She fanned the flames for my parents divorce, and many estrangements from my father over the years. My father had a sick relationship with her. He had a pathological loyalty, where he destroyed his marriage to my mom, his relationship with me, and our family, because his mother wasnt number one. Before my parents seperated, my grandmother told my aunt, her daughter that quote:" Mitchell will be sorry, he has a lot to lose". I have no doubt that the bitch said it. She was a troublemaker with my mom, grandparents, and me, from the day I was born, and, my dad, instead of dealing with her, abused my mom, me, and my grandparents, verbally, and viciously. My father has been at war with me for 37 years, my whole life, because he feels I owe him relationships with other people, his family, who have caused me trouble. He will wait for the rest of his life for that to happen.

Thanks for the feedback. Take care.

Mitch
 
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