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The gender-discrepancy and what to do about it

Marauder

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Warning - rant coming up.

It's been a while since I started a thread in Discussion, but now I feel I have to do it. It's come to my attention that many men on the forum seem quite desperate about finding a female victim to tickle. I can relate to that, in a way. BUT ! Getting your hopes up that posting here will lead dozens of willing, perfect-looking female ticklees to your doorstep is a bit naive. The problem is, and was, this - there are a hell of a lot more males in any fetish community than there are females. Why is that ? There are manifold reasons. I'll leave the explanation to the psychologists, after all, that's what they're paid for. Besides, it's not the reasons, but the facts that count. There aren't that many women around. Period. And those that are around are NOT our private tickle toys, to be tortured and disposed off. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but from past posts and especially from a few Users' behaviors in the Chatroom, I have to draw the conclusion that quite a few people see women just as that - toys, to be used for personal gratification with no interest in the woman's personality, interests and wishes whatsoever. This, of course, leads to even less females coming here. If I were Private-Message bombed every time I came into the chatroom, I'd think twice about coming at all, to be honest. Not that we don't have a few female ticklees around, don't get me wrong. But there are also some women who are not looking to be tickled, but to tickle themselves. Pestering them with requests to let themselves be tickled doesn't really help anybody, especially if their clarifications on their status as ticklers, not 'lees, are blatantly ignored.
As for what to do about it all... Of course you can start pages like tickle-fan phonebooks. I applaud the efford. You can contact matchmakers like Mistress Mia, who does a great job supplying the community with inspiration, and who invests a lot of time into all of this. Thanks, Mia ! 😀 But the fact remains - there aren't enough females around. That's how it is. So chances are, all of the inter-community effords won't get you a score. What to do ? Easy.
Guys. Look out of the window. See all those people ? See the women walking around ? I bet you know a woman or two you consider getting intimate with. Try it ! I had some very nice tickling experiences in the past. None of my partners were ticklees before I met them. None shared the fetish. And they weren't hookers. It goes like this - if you manage to get a girl interested in you, you merely have to very carefully bring the subject up. You can do it the way I do, with the Jackhammer-method - 'You know, I'm a pervert... I'm into saditic tickling... Whatcha think ?' (well, I'm not quite that blunt, but it's the general idea of those talks), or you can just gradually incorporate tickling into your relationships and be truthful when she asks you about it (and she will, sooner or later). Our fetish isn't as bad, perverted or out-of-bounds than most of us tend to believe. As a matter of fact, most reactions I got were along the lines of - 'That's it ? That's your big secret ? Hey, that's not so bad !'
You won't believe how easy your life can get once you realize that there are really one helluva lot ticklees out there - They're just not labeled on their foreheads as such. So go out and find them... You know, socializing will get you hooked up way, way sooner than sitting in front of a computer all day 😉

So what's the point of this post ? I think I mostly delivered it. I'm not telling you to get a life - those are contagious and expensive in the upkeep. But please, consider that fact that this is the community for all of us. It's a meeting place. It's NOT a bordello. And if you're desperate for a ticklee... Than, by all means, take fate into your own hands, go out there and get 'em !

Take care all, I hope no-one feels attacked by this post. I was not aiming at anyone. I just had to get this of my chest. Peace.
 
You are soo right!

Maurader,
Thanks for bringing this up. You are the perfect person to have addressed such an issue. I have long wanted to bring this up, but didn't want to come across as a self-inflated, self-absorbed b i t c h. Because of course, that is what a Lady becomes once she rejects a man.🙄 Not all men have this mentallity but just enough do.

Besides, it sounds better coming from a peer that's objective and not subjective.

I've only set foot in the chatroom two times since I joined the TMF late last year. Wanna know why? Because I get "Private-Message Bombed" every time. I shouldn't have to sneak in there with a different screen-name. The chatroom experience becomes over whelming when you have to carry on multiple conversations at the same time!

Women are certainly not toy things. There are some screen-names that are suggestive and therefore may be opening themselves up for such treatment. I'm of the "Don't start none; won't be none"-school. I give respect and will expect nothing less. I don't flirt overtly, so I don't open myself up for attack. But then again, my character is such that I tend to put people back in their place quickly and effortlessly.

I said all of this, to let you all know that I try to set a good example of how community members should treat eachother regardless of gender. However, since this is a predominantly male community, do treat your female counterparts with a gentler hand lest you make it unsavery for us to stay.

I'd like to also add that this goes for same gender oriented folks who can also be quite pushy and uncouth. This is in no way limited to only males, this also goes for anyone who is disrespectful of others.

Everyone, please take heed to Maurader's message.

Maurader,
thanks for the props! 😉

Happy Tickling!😀
 

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Thanks!

Marauder and Mia, you are both speaking from my very soul! Thank you!!!
 
I only have one contrary thing to say. Many people aren't really looking to form some long lasting personal relationships with people either here or out in the world. Sometimes I am interested in knowin more about a person and sometimes I'm not. we can form those kinds of interactions with co-workers, or just about anyone.
But really, I think most come and visit these types of forums for an outlet for the passion/fetish that is tickling. And how many kids one has, where a person lives, what job they have or where they went to college really isn't all that important to many when it comes to a place for tickling as an outlet.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's good that the ladies get bombarded like they do or that some of the things said to them are just plain stupid. But I don't think an inquiry into her lifde beyond tickling is necessary at all. I think that's just something on the side you talk about if you feel like it.

As far as forming an intimate relationship with a girl in order to excercise one's tickling passion/fetish.....I can't agree with that one all the way either. Tickling is tickling and romantic relationships are romantic relationships and if you end up with both, then hey, you are just REALLY LUCKY! But forming a relationship just for tickling is probably worse. The only reason we DO have to do that is because tickling (on OUR levels) is such a taboo thing in the general public. And as of 2001, there's really no other way to go about it. Either that or you find a tickle partner here. But again, many aren't really looking for much more beyond talking tickling with another person via the net.
 
Here! Here!
Blackstar, you have hit the nail on the head - personally i would rather have two separate relationships. One with a girlfriend or wife and another with someone to tickle. If you find that special someone you don't want to lose them through tickling, and at the same time to prevent one from wanting to act out their desires upon their loved one their must be a second outlet - someone interested in tikle with whom tickling desires can be shared. I do not really think that a tickling relationship and an orthodox relationship can be successfully shared simultaneously with someone we love!
 
Separate relationships from passion ?

You do realize that keeping your significant other in the dark about your desires will be a serious problem in any relationship, right ? A healthy relation can only be built upon trust, and keeping something as big as your sexual desires a secret from someone you love is... well. It will be a problem. Say you separate tickling and love. What do you think will happen once your partner finds out that you're travelling to others to tickle them ? Will that be okay ? If so, more power to you. If not - well, then you have one giantic problem on your hands. a problem you could have avoided.

To clarify. I fully understand the instinct to separate love and tickling. As most regulars on the board might have figured out, I'm prety much torn. I love sadistic, no-holds-barred, non-consensual tickle torture that has no real sexual content... in my fantasies. I'm also a kind, caring, considerate person towards my girlfriends (don't laugh ! really !). This is a problem. Or it was, at first. BUT ! There is a difference between fantasies and real life, we all know that. How to solve it, this major problem, I asked myself. And the answer, of course, was pretty simple. It's called role-playing. Yes, I can pretend to be a sadistic bugger, and yes, my girlfriend could pretend that she hated being tickled. Works for me. And it keeps the relationship honest, which is good. AND it has one more aspect that is probably the most important.

It gives me the feeling that it's really okay to want what I want. If you have never tickled anyone without feeling deep-down that it is wrong somehow, if you have never experienced this special feeling that waht you are doing is not just what you want, but that it is also completely okay, then you have missed something. You should really try it.

As for me being lucky for having found girls who'll let me do it to them... Well. I'm not looking better than most people. I'm not in any way more attractive than anyone else. I'm not someone the girls run after, screaming and fainting (well, there were instances, but I think they were about me not having a shower after camping for a few days... there was some screaming and fainting there, alright). And I didn't have all that many girlfriends. But those I did have, I always ended up having a considerate partner who would humor my kink. Why ? Because they cared about me, as much as I cared about them. And tickling is, after all, nothing that will send them running to the cops, if it's done in mutual conscent. As a matter of fact, once you try it, you'll find that many girls actually like it. Not all, mind you... but many. Especially if you bite the bullet and let them get even. 😀 Hmm. another long rant. I must be bored, or I'm really worked up about all this... maybe both.

To Mia - Thanks for your kind reply ! I just felt it had to be said - did I mention that I've been called 'the most ruthless feminist I know' by a lesbian punk girl I know ? 😉 I'm really happy we have you here as a Mod. I just wish I could come over to *BEEP* oops, you're already married... Once more, I've been too slow 😛 Regards to the husband ! What a lucky man 🙂

Alright, so much for now... Have a good one, all !
 
Hey Maurader,

Your first post seemed to be on the money. However, I'd bet that the percentage of ticklers who are looking for girls to tickle through the forum is probably similar to the percentage of men who are looking for relationships online (which is a very high percentage!!), so the behavior shouldn't be considered unusual.

UT (posted my not-so-serious personal only because it seemed "chic" at the time)
 

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Only one small point I wanted to detail while Marauder brought it up. It is critical, for those guys who are looking for females to tickle online, not to pass up all the wonderful girls that are around you in your daily lives.

I will be one of the first on the soapbox to praise the advent of the internet, the ability for the common man with little or no capital investment, to bring forth meaningful media to other human beings. I will praise the ability of one person to communicate with someone from another part of the world that he would have absolutely no chance of doing otherwise.

However, I also believe all things to be kept in moderation. The internet has been, and will continue to be, an incredible evolution for humans from an economic, political, and social standpoint. However, there are limitations. Because of this wonderful innovation, please do not ignore females around you. You're doing yourself and your environment a great disservice.

She doesn't have to be a ticklee, as Marauder mentioned. My fiancee was never into tickling growing up. I told her during our second year of college, and am very glad I did. I had to work myself up to it, it wasn't an easy thing to talk about. All week I told her I was going to tell her something about myself that she never knew, and it was big. By the time the week was over, she was really worried that I was going to say I like to molest children or sacrified puppies or something 😱

So this was her exact reaction after I told her I loved to tickle her, and would want to do that all night long if I could:

"And?"

When she realized it was just the tickling I liked, she started laughing. Humans, as a whole, need validation from other humans on various levels. The tickling thing is another point I think just about all of us need validation for. It's a BIG reason that we like mainstream tickling so much, even though the scenes rarely last longer than 5 seconds. But that's another topic, and I could literally spend hours on it. So I'll stick to my main point, we need some validation for our interest, and it gets easier every time someone accepts you for who you are.

It's kind of like speaking in public. The first time, when you're a child, you're petrified to do it. Then, if you've had practice doing it several times during your formative and adult years, it's really no big deal. But look at all the adults that are terrified to do it now...that's only because they never practiced speaking in public. Similar thing with ticklers. If you've kept it bottled up for so long, it's difficult to get out.

Just my two cents on the topic.
 
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I agree with Oblesklk, 200% and with a few threads on this post.

Ya gotta look at all the gals moving about in your lives.
None of the women I've dated in my past or girlfriends for
that matter were ticklephiles. One I even converted into
having her feet tickled and licked and she thought all foot
guys were sick and weird lil guys before she met me!
She was so animate about it cus her girlfriend loved it.

Yeah, I was sweating big time trying to figure out how to
tell her I was a foot guy. I just was honest, purely honest
and told her I loved tickling feet. SLOWLY we tested it out
with her and in time she wasn't creeped out and was happy
to see me enjoying another part of her. She was in total
disbelief that I got her to enjoy it.

Moral of the story DK??? Not that I'm a pessimist but I'm
not gonna find my tickle girl in any tickle forum, odds are
very high against it BUT look at my choices outside the forum! I know what my boys are going through, not being able
to find a ticklee or tickler, it's brutal. But just remember, female lurkers are still about, just be yourself
and maybe one will notice a good part of you in a post and contact you and things just happen.

Peace and stay strong,
DK
 
Real life is just so much better

Marauder is a genius. That's absolutely
right, real life is so much better than
fantasy. No matter how good a video
is, for example, a real life incident
will always surpass is. No matter how
good a quality picture of a pantyhosed
clad foot is, a real life view is always
better. And a REAL loving relationship
is superior in every way to a fantasy,
or wishful thought.

Lets put it this way. If you love
someone, and are lucky enough to
have someone love you back, that person
will become more beautiful. If you just
know someone, they are probably prettier
than a photo of a model. I know many
girls who I consider stunningly beautiful,
better looking than the best runway model.
They don't see themselves this way, but
I do. Their personality makes them
prettier, on the inside AND outside.

To ticklerboy, I think you should stick
to tickling your one girl, who are
dating, and don't try the two girls
idea. Your date will find out, and be
highly pissed. Two, you may fall in
love with the girl you are tickling,
because she is letting you tickle
her! and this will cause great stress
to you, and the girl you are
"officially" dating. Three, most
people, I assume, date someone to see
if this person will be the one they
marry and spend the rest of their lives
with. If you can't tell them your
fetishes, views, whatever, you got
problems. She's not the one, basically.
If she looks at you as wierd, well,
she may not really love you. That
"wierd" view of you will be a wedge
in your love. You may be able to brush
it off at first, but it will eat away at
you, it's something you can't share
with her, and she doesn't wish to share
with you, and the frustration will
destroy you AND your relationship.
Basically, level with her, in whatever
way you feel you must, because you can't
keep it inside FOREVER. You will always
be looking for someone else who does
accept you, if she doesn't, and you will
waste your time and your mental and
spiritual happiness. And remember,
a fetish is a SMALL part of a
relationship, so if this causes trouble,
when you get to the REAL issues, it
will not be pleasant. I say...good
luck.
 
Darkknight:
I really don't think people are truly LOOKING to find tickling partners or even relationships.
I think many people here are mistaken as far as tickling OUTLETS are concerned. People, this place and other websites ARE the outlets. Not necessarily the real life tickles. But seeing pics, viewing clips, and discussions ARE the big outlets for most, including me! I tickle my girlfriend plenty and she knows about my fetish. But websites and forums sufficed before then and continue to. I don't HAVE to have a tickling relationship with someone to "relieve the fetish" and I don't think most here do either.
Also, tickling as a fetish also has it's strongest roots in the fantasies that are pretty much not possible....like finding the perfect ticklee or perfect tickler, tickling involving celebrities, or group tickle instances all have the bulk of their effect within the fantasy itself, not necessarily the actual doing.
So I think the point that many are missing is that places like this serve as the ends, not the means. I'm pretty sure that people don't come here looking for a mate or partner (but in rare instances, things happen, of course).
We all love the real thing. But the odds of finding the perfect tickle partner for any relating purposes are very grim. And we all know this. People may say corny things, but they know that it's all tickle related and anything else about that girl's personality really isn't relevent to tickling anyway.
And like I was expressing earlier. Although tickling is a big part of most of us, let's be real. There are BIGGER THINGS to look for in a partner than their attitude toward your fetish. So if my girl thought tickling was dumb and stupid, then oh well! I'll come here or visit sites or chat and it's all cool! It was the same ordeal before her and it'll be the same with her. After all, I didn't get with her because she was into tickling, right? No one said "tickling" in their wedding vows.
Marauder, come on, man. Beyond casual tickling of female friends, do you really think people are sneaking out on their loved one's to go TICKLE? No wives are losing sleep over a man's tickle fetish. 😀
And if someone is keeping in a fetish from someone, it's not like they are holding their breath. Maybe it's just not that big a deal to them. And it's OKAY! Maybe they value their significant other a lot more than they do tickling. I know I do. If I had to stop tickling her today, then so be it! It doesn't run my life and unless you're producing videos, it probably doesn't run most of ours either.
After all. How many of us would rather have a tickle partner vs. someone who truly loves ya? I go with the latter and try luck at tickles later!
Everyone be good now.
 
I think Blackstar is right. Most of us don't visit the Forum to troll for a ticklee, because we have real lives. I have a wife and female friends, none of whom is a ticklephile - and that's OK. I don't own a pair of stocks or a velvet-lined box full of tickle tools.

The real benefit of this site is that we're no longer isolated from each other. I would have felt better about myself if something similar had been available 35 years ago, to tell me that I wasn't the only one with a tickle kink.

The clips, pix, toons and stories are fun, but I know that they're all fantasy, on a par with science fiction or kung-fu movies. Anyone who can't make the distinction has a bigger problem than a tickling kink.

Strelnikov
 
I agree...mostly.

Blackstar, Strelnikov - Good point you have there. however, I disagree in one point. For me tickling and sex are co-dependend. No tickling - no sex, or at least, no enjoyable sex. It's just the way I operate. And from what I've seen, there are many for whom tickling is more than just a fun diversion. Now, if I had a girlfriend who would think tickling was all icky... That would be one relation that would never work out. I'd have to leave her. I can't honestly have a sexual relation with someone who finds my sexuality disgusting - That would be totally out there. As long as playful tickling does it for you - all the better ! 😀

I think I'll leave it at this for now... I'm too zonked out on a caffeine overdose to be sensible. Take care, all ! 😉
 
Hello All,

Just thought I'd throw this out there:

1) People have different reasons for liking Tickle

2) People have different levels of Tickle (sexual, recreational, etc,.,)

3) People have different reasons for becoming involoved with a Tickle Place.

4) Sadly, some people do have to go outside of their marraige for a tickling adventure. (I know this for a fact)

So, in my own conclusion, everyone who has posted here has a very valid point and argument. Just remember, would a married person really appreciate their spouse going to someone else for private fulfillment?

I'm just curious what the response would be if the shoe were on the other foot...judging from some of your responses, I quess it would be acceptable if wifey or girlfriend went to another man to fulfill her own fetish, let's say male foot tickling for arguments sake. And let's also assume that YOU won't allow your feet to be tickled and can't be bothered with her fetish. Hmmm, I won't if anyone here would change there views on what they posted?🙄

Just food for thought...

Peace
 
Cybering

I have Cybered with 3 or 4 of the women in the chat room (I don't Kiss and tell), and have tried to encourage them to "tickle" me back, but they do not. I agree that the some guys on this sit (they know who) are very one sided. I prefer to be the tickler, but I think it's important to be able to take it, as well as dish-out.
 
The Whole Truth

Nope, Mia. I wouldn't change my mind about my reply and here's why.

If a fetish or sexual interest of my girl were repulsive to me to where she or I cannot function in a sexual or other form of relationship, then there's no point in being in it. That doesn't mean she has to be into tickling or even LIKE it. Because although tickling causes extreme arousal for me, I don't REQUIRE it for pleasure like a rare few do. That being said, the clips, pics, stories, and websites take care of me just fine. But if my tickling "fetish" (85 different definitions for fetish) were so high priority to me (which it isn't) that my WIFE or relationship partner had to have a compatible desire, then hell, I'd just be single, and tickling sex partners because the odds of ending up with 1) a person who's right for me in every other way and 2) ALSO shares ticklephile mentality.......let's just say that lightening would strike me twice before that happened. And that goes for pretty much everyone who's not extremely lucky. Matter of fact, if you ARE in such a wedded state, I suggest you go out and play the lottery RIGHT NOW!
I feel safe in the assumption that most of this is for amusement and fantasy, and that the role of the clips, pics, stories, and discussion are to heighten FANTASY, not to lead to real events. It's often said that fantastical thoughts are best left in fantasy. And for the most part (but not all) I'd agree.
This whole thread evolved from how women are treated as members of this community.....often like objects. The reason why is because within the fantasy role that such places provide, the women ARE objectified. In fantasy, one does not care where the 20 year old coed comes from or anything about her personality. Just that she's tickled mercilessly to that individual's desire. I'm not saying that it's the way it's supposed to be, but that IS the cause behind the objectification of women in places like this.
And as I originally posted, we're not here to make matches to find the perfect tickleperson. Maybe people here do end up becoming friends or having actual tickle sessions with people met here. But generally, we can go to work, play sports, or hang out with buddies for general companionship. We're only here together with interest regarding tickling. And because 90% of our tickling interest lies in fantasy, then those are often the kinds of dialogs we're going to have.
Matter of fact, Mia, generally, for females who DO enjoy the role of tickling men, you better believe that the man in the fantasy is an object one. The difference is that these women are like needles in the haystacks and the majority of them aren't even posting or visiting places like this. And if fetishes like this were female dominated and a guy were to enter into discussion, we'd be getting messages like "e-mail me, I'll tickle you until you pee and orgasm, blah blah blah blah" and all the other utterly stupid, ass backward, and ingorant things we (other males, not me) end up saying to women in places like this. *L*
TRUST ME PEOPLE. It really is all about the fantasy. If it wasn't, we really wouldn't be on the NET of all places discussing this. We'd be in tickling bars and at "Houses of Tickling", or we'd all be tickling or talking to people into tickling that we DIDN'T meet on the internet! Right? We do it here because 1) it's just not that kind of world we live in yet, and 2) for the most of us, this, as a fantastical end is also our means. And that's why there aren't tickle brothels. We don't need them yet for our fulfilment.
Again, the majority of this is for fantasy and fantasy enhancement or...talking about fantasy. As Strenlikov observed, I'll probably never own a pair of stocks or impliment an electic toothbrush on some poor woman's feet. And truly, there is an EXTREME minority of people actually participating in tickling on that level in real life. (That's why we have the same 5 or 6 people from companies who post original vid clips.
After all....if there were no internet for us to observe tickling as we do, how many times do you think that anyone would actually witness tickle torture or see an extremely attractive female totally bound and tickled or even recognize this as a fetish other than just some crazy thoughts going through our heads! Grow on that one for a while.
Lastly, that's not to say that we don't WANT tickle fantasies to come true. But in the context of our world today, our fantasies serve us quite well.
In the meantime, all be good.
 
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This is a good thread, thought out by all and just a good topic. Proud to be a member of the TMF. 🙂

Blackstar:
As Mia had wrote, tickling is different for everyone, so I know what you responded to be true as well as what I wrote.
I know for a fact a few married ticklephiles that go outside
the marriage, in secret. It does happpen.

If the shoe was on the other foot as Mia mentioned, I would
do what I could to help my wife or girlfriend to what she
enjoyed. I wouldn't want her to go to some other guy, it would eat at me, so then I could not go find a woman to tickle. But that's me.

Marauder:
I too could not be in a sexual relationship with a woman that thought tickling was childish or icky. It's part of me.
Ironically to those that know me behind the mask, I had found a non-ticklephile angel once that loved to be tickled...
But life's funny, paths went another way.
There are others, so one must have strong faith.

Peace always,
DK
 
I would just hope everyone would find someone who, while may not be a ticklephile, is simply open-minded. If you told a girl, (or guy, for the girls) you have a fetish, and she was repulsed, that would hurt you and it would take a long time (or never) to remove that scar from your relationship. People want acceptance, and relationships are about acceptance. A partner should accept you, as you are, and not be repulsed. If I was lucky enough to have a loving relationship, and she said "Hey, I like guys in sailor uniforms,.." or whatever, hell, I'd do it! If that's all it takes! If she will be faithful to me, and love me with all her heart, AND be turned on by me, inside and outside, and all I have to do to make her ultimate dream that she never ever ever thought would come true and give her something she will remember for all time just by wearing a damn sailor's uniform, I mean, COME ON! I'll wear one every damn night! If she would be open to my fantasies, I will throw the door wide open for any and all of her fantasies. That can help a relationship better than any hundred dollar an hour marriage counseler. A feather only costs about a dollar...unless you rob a peacock...
"Just give me the feather, and no one gets hurt!" Oh boy...
 
Blackstar,

Obviously, we both share a slightly different view, however, it seems that whatever you are doing works for you. The latter is what's important along with your happiness in the relationship you're in. Judging by your last response, the tickling issue does not seem to affect your relationship. More power to you. Different solutions work for different people and Blackstar, you seem to have found exactly what works for you and that's all that matters.

This thread has been very mind opening. I can see validity to what everyone opines thus far. And, as we are all self-preserving creatures, we will all find and do what works for us.

Darkknight,
I appreciate your back up on a couple of my points.🙂

This is a great thread! Very profound and passionate!
 
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