The Last Laugh: Cynthia, Marie-Lee and Karine (4 free clips)

[alwayssilver]

You know what "The Last Laugh" I do know exactly where your coming from. I really do. I think this is the first time I've ever spoken directly to you. But I wanted you to know I do see where your coming from. See that banner in my sig? That piece took me several months and countless long nights perfecting it. So yeah I know what it feels like when something I know so well and love gets blasted (which it has.) Do you want to know why I don't retort? Or act sarcastic towards people when they do that? Because I look at all those people who don't post, who buy my work, and I put myself in their shoes. I don't want to support someone who would turn on me someday if I had the courage to speak up and tell them what I thought. Reagardless if it's unfavorable or not. You know I bought a lot of TIB's work until his more recent posts, and than all these fans of his attack people, put them down and TIB did nothing more than stand back and thank people for doing this. That's what I see your doing now. I know a particular clip you have I would love to purchase, but I don't want to support you because your following the same path as TIB. You need to take yourself out of the picture so much where you can respond nicely and not let people who really do bitch and moan because they want to get a rise out of you. Man if you can just step back like that than you'd have my buisness again.

Your opinon matters of course but don't insult people. Kill them with kindness though you'd rather use a bat. And don't thank people for insulting those who insult you. If anything you should tell people they have a right to express themselves and leave it at that.

Man in all honestly I do like you and your work. I just have a hard time looking up to you like I used to when you first came on the scene. And you know what? To prove all this I'm going to buy that clip I've been eyeing. I just want you to see that I'm not a jerk who's trying to make this stuff up. I just want to see a turn around that's all.

 

[The Last Laugh]

I checked every one and couldn't find it. And no this had nothing to do with your material. This guy said he was trying to find something free years ago but now he had the money to buy it and wanted the link to the clip so he could buy it. Even though everyone pointed out he was talking past tense with finding it for free you still accused him of trying to steal the clip, even though it was made painfully obvious he wasn't.

How are we supposed to judge whether there was any misunderstanding if you can't provide the original thread so we can study the wording? Until you can back up your accusations with something concrete, I'm afraid you have no case.

Please note that I'm willing to study the thread (if you can provide it) and see if I might have misunderstood or overreacted. I doubt it, but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm capable of admitting when I'm wrong. But only if I have sufficient proof or evidence that I'm wrong. And without the exact words used in the thread, there's no way for me, or for you for that matter, to determine how the thread went. And yet you're blasting me as there was no doubt that I'm guilty of a gratuitous attack, which is unjustified since you don't have the specifics, basing your accusation on what you recall understanding of a thread you read. Franky, as it is, what you're saying isn't all that far from slander, as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, I most certainly don't recall any thread in which "everyone" pointed out that I was wrong.

No your question wasn't "What I say constitue an attack" you said I supposedly "attacked" the guy (which I seriously doubt I did without good reason).

Sorry, I just don't understand what you mean by this.

 

[alwayssilver]

How are we supposed to judge whether there was any misunderstanding if you can't provide the original thread so we can study the wording? Until you can back up your accusations with something concrete, I'm afraid you have no case.

Please note that I'm willing to study the thread (if you can provide it) and see if I might have misunderstood or overreacted. I doubt it, but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm capable of admitting when I'm wrong. But only if I have sufficient proof or evidence that I'm wrong. And without the exact words used in the thread, there's no way for me, or for you for that matter, to determine how the thread went. And yet you're blasting me as there was no doubt that I'm guilty of a gratuitous attack, which is unjustified since you don't have the specifics, basing your accusation on what you recall understanding of a thread you read. Franky, as it is, what you're saying isn't all that far from slander, as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, I most certainly don't recall any thread in which "everyone" pointed out that I was wrong.



Sorry, I just don't understand what you mean by this.

I doubt you would remember a thread where everyone was pointing out how wrong you were. But again with the lack of a thread to show you I can't prove anything by it. So on that note I appolgize. But I'm sure you do remember what I'm talking about. I have no doubt in my mind you do.

And before you weren't asking a question. You were telling us you could justify attacking someone. Than you changed it and said you were asking what you said that would make me think you attacked someone. Two different things.

 

[alwayssilver]

I just downloaded a $23 clip called "Last Laugh Iota Chloe" I've been wanting this for some time. I don't know if you'll see the purchase or not, but I'm sure you will soon. I'm a loyal customer. If you can turn things around you can expect more buisness from me. Stop letting down people who look up to you as a producer, doing things we only wish we had the courage to do. Stop talking down to those who talk down to you and lead through example. I started a post on the TMF before about how we are letting trolls and video producers run that site and I was thinking of you when I wrote it. Now If I start another post like that I don't want to think of you while doing it.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Your opinon matters of course but don't insult people.

But you still don't have an any evidence that I did. I do get annoyed, even angry at some people, and reply to their comments even though I probably shouldn't (good for you if you don't let yourself get dragged into it). But as far as I know, I don't insult them. Until you can prove otherwise, this conversation is over.

And don't thank people for insulting those who insult you. If anything you should tell people they have a right to express themselves and leave it at that.

I'm sorry, I don't thank people for insulting people who insult me. I thank them for their support. It's not the same thing at all. Also, if you cared to read some of the threads I've contributed to, you'll realize that I do sometimes tell people to go easy on other people who don't necessarily share my opinions. There's a difference between disagreeing with them and blasting them because of it.

Man in all honestly I do like you and your work. I just have a hard time looking up to you like I used to when you first came on the scene.

I you really think that I'm a jackass based on your personal interpretation of one or two threads (which may be inaccurate, for all I know), that's up to you. It's your loss. It does pain me to know that you've lost respect for me because of it, because I know that I'm usually quite fair and understanding. I believe I do a good job as a producer. Ask any person who's contacted me for info or help. I answer each and every email I get as politely and helpfully as I can. I go to great lengths to accomodate customers, even when it means more work or even additional expenses for me. But I'm not going to fall into a deep depression just because you decided to judge me in this way and felt compelled to share it with the entire TickleTheater.

Like I said, until you have more concrete evidence that I'm a lousy, insulting person, there's no need to discuss this any further.

 

[The Last Laugh]

I doubt you would remember a thread where everyone was pointing out how wrong you were. But again with the lack of a thread to show you I can't prove anything by it. So on that note I appolgize.

Fair enough, and I accept your apology. I realize this must be frustrasting for you. It's how you remember things. But you must understand that I remember differenty, and it's not fair of you to expect me to accept your version of the facts without any evidence. Without the original thread, my interpretation is just as valid as yours.

But I'm sure you do remember what I'm talking about. I have no doubt in my mind you do.

Why are you so sure? For some reason, I've had a few more unpleasant, uncalled for comments from people these last couple of months. It happens from time to time. So I don't remember all the specifics. And I did say that I vaguely recall something about a guy justifying past illegal activities with legal purchases. Other than that I don't remember the specifics. Please don't tell me what I remember.

And before you weren't asking a question. You were telling us you could justify attacking someone. Than you changed it and said you were asking what you said that would make me think you attacked someone. Two different things.

It depends what you mean by an attack. If it means that I was upset with what someone said and told him how I felt, well yes, I guess I probably did "attack" someone, in that I made it clear that I strongly disagreed with him, to the point of feeling he was hurting my business. Or rather, I "attacked" his point of view. But it's not necessarily an unjustified "attack". If by attack you mean getting upset with someone for no good reason, gratuitously flaming him and insulting him, then no, I don't think "attack" describes it at all. Of course, you might interpret the situation in a way that makes you think that some of my comments were uncalled for, thus viewing it as an attack, but that's your interpretation, not mine. So from my point of view, it's not an attack in that sense.

 

[The Last Laugh]

I just downloaded a $23 clip called "Last Laugh Iota Chloe" I've been wanting this for some time. I don't know if you'll see the purchase or not, but I'm sure you will soon.

Thank you for your business, I appreciate it. That clip is from one of my personal favorite videos (and best sellers). I think it's pretty good. And yes, purchase info comes in by email more or less instantly.

Stop letting down people who look up to you as a producer, doing things we only wish we had the courage to do.

Again, that's your interpretation, not necessarily that of everyone else. Nor mine. And for the record, running a business like this one is far from the dream come true many people seem to think it is. You have no idea how many times I've wished I could give it all up in the past. But it's just not possible yet.

I'm curious, are there many other people here who feel I'm a jackass who's let them down. Maybe I'm wrong about myself, maybe I'm missing something. I'm not perfect, you know. I never claimed to be. I do make mistakes. But I'd really like to get more feedback about it from other people so that I can see it better.

Anyway, all I'm asking is that until you can prove that I've really said inappropriate things, please stop suggesting that I'm a rotten person whose approach went downhill since I started this business. From my point of view, that's kind of like you're insulting me, and that doesn't sit well with this conversation we're having.

 

[Big_Dogg85]

*sigh*

This is becoming nothing more than a thread inches away from a flame war. If I may suggest something for anyone else wanting to post: send a PM instead of making comments public, especially if they border on a flaming nature. (Not that this is happening in this thread, I'm thinking more preventative measures) While a lurker at the time, I was here when the Theater was rife with flamage and it was not a pretty sight.

Don't say something you'll regret because those words, once said, cannot be easily taken back or forgiven, if at all. Besides, to be technical, the arguments are not the thread topic so take it elsewhere! 😛

 

[The Last Laugh]

This is becoming nothing more than a thread inches away from a flame war. If I may suggest something for anyone else wanting to post: send a PM instead of making comments public, especially if they border on a flaming nature. (Not that this is happening in this thread, I'm thinking more preventative measures)

Fair enough, and I totally agree. Frankly, I wish the original comment of the last portion of this thread had been sent in private, either by PM or by email (though I think my PM is disabled right now). This didn't need to be discussed in public.

That being said, perhaps I have become more frustrated and irritable over the years due to my experience with The Last Laugh, without realizing it. I still don't think I tend to be rude or insulting in my posts, but it's possible that I'm more defensive than before. The market has changed a lot in a few years, not always for the best. I guess it's taking its toll on my nerves. Not that it's an excuse, but the fact that I've been out of a job for the past 14 months (making The Last Laugh my main source of income in a harsh, oversaturated market) doesn't help either. I'll try to ignore negative comments in the future. Most of them aren't constructive or even logical anyway.

 

[MistressValerie1]

This thread sure took a downward turn

*sigh*

This is becoming nothing more than a thread inches away from a flame war. If I may suggest something for anyone else wanting to post: send a PM instead of making comments public, especially if they border on a flaming nature. (Not that this is happening in this thread, I'm thinking more preventative measures) While a lurker at the time, I was here when the Theater was rife with flamage and it was not a pretty sight.

Don't say something you'll regret because those words, once said, cannot be easily taken back or forgiven, if at all. Besides, to be technical, the arguments are not the thread topic so take it elsewhere! 😛

Very good advice. I remember well those days of widespread flamage, and I hope that we never have to go through that again.

Fair enough, and I totally agree. Frankly, I wish the original comment of the last portion of this thread had been sent in private, either by PM or by email (though I think my PM is disabled right now). This didn't need to be discussed in public.

I checked your settings, and your PM's are indeed turned off; I would be happy to change that setting for you if you wish. I would also be happy to split or delete the latter half of this thread if Always Silver and The Last Laugh agree.

 

[The Last Laugh]

This thread sure took a downward turn

I know. Sorry about that.

I checked your settings, and your PM's are indeed turned off; I would be happy to change that setting for you if you wish.

Thank you, that's kind of you to offer, but it's not that I can't turn it back on. I turned it off voluntarily. The reason is that I pretty much never check my PMs on forums, so I was worried I'd end up missing messages for long periods of time if I let it turned on. That's before I realized that there's an option for receiving emails when new PMs are received. I found out just now, to tell the truth (man, do I feel silly). So I guess I might as well turn it back on.

I would also be happy to split or delete the latter half of this thread if Always Silver and The Last Laugh agree.

Well, I wouldn't want people to think I want that part of the thread deleted to protect myself or something. Mind you, I don't believe I did anything wrong. But anyway, if Alwayssilver is ok with it, sure, why not. That's be very nice of you, Valerie.

 

[Kalamos]

I'm surprised at some of the unkind comments directed to Francois lately. Although everyone is entitled to their opinion, personally I enjoy most of his material and consider him to be one of the best producers here.

Some "gentlemen" over Mousepad weren't exactly kind to F. either.

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Maybe I am wrong, but a lot of people seem to be taking free clips and contents for granted.
Some blatantly worship users who post ripped pics and vids - dissing producers who post stuff for money.

Mind you, I like free stuff as much as the next psycho, but some guys have become *brazen*...
It is not like commercial contents grow on emule...

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Out of my mind, I can only give just one word of random advice to F.
Just say this when people complain: "thanks for the idea, we're working on that too".

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Oh, btw F., *kudos* for your vids.

😉