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The Online Predator

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njjen3953

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The following is a composite profile of an Online Predator. This
profile was
> compiled by a number of submissive women for the use of submissive
women. It
> is written from the perspective of a submissive female whose nature
requires
> her to respond to a dominant male.
>
> The Online Predator
> 1) Definition:
> The Online Predator is one who uses the mechanisms of cyber space
to hunt
> human beings with the intent to exploit, rob, plunder and pillage
their
> body,mind, heart and soul.
>
> 2) Characteristics of a Predator:
> 1. Liar: ( Self explanatory )
> 2. Deceiver: His self situation is presented as other than what it
is.
> 3. Betrayer: He is likely to break trust.
> 4. Insecure: He is worried that others will be faithless.
> 5. Inconsistent: He will say one thing while doing another.
> 6. Lacking Honor: Usually while protesting that he has honor.
> 7. Lack of Respect: He will tend to denigrate others.
> 8. Transient: He is unlikely to have many long term friends.
> 9. Manipulator: He calculates and contrives for his own benefit to
the
> detriment of his partner.
> 10. Secretive: He will tend to cloak himself and his activities.
> 11. Charming: If he could not steal your breath away, he would not
be a
> successful hunter.
> 12. Selective: He will pick victims carefully, looking for
weaknesses and
> filling those voids completely.
> 13. Chameleon: He will appear to fit any need perfectly and adapt
to fill any
> desire.
> 14. Lacking in Self Control: Although at times, he may have
extraordinary
> self control and discipline.
>
> A predator probably exhibits these characteristics in all aspects
of his
> life. It may be that the only place the predator seems to have
honor and
> value Truth is in the Relationship he is developing with his
victim. When
> developing a new relationship, a submissive should make a conscious
effort to
> observe her partnerâs interaction with others, not just how he
interacts with
> her. The predator may well reveal his true self through his
interactions.
> But, the submissive may only see this revelation if she is
committed to
> taking every precaution for her own safety.
>
> 3) Predator Warning Signals:
> While any of these phrases or actions may be acceptable in a given
context,
> pay close attention when seeing or hearing them. Phrases:
> 1. Do not tell .
> 2. ( ) is crazy ! ( or psycho, sick, a liar, or out to
get me )
> 3. It would be best if you no longer spoke to .
> 4. I do not need to defend myself against lies.
> 5. They are just jealous ( of me, of us, of what we have, that you
have me ).
>
> Actions:
> 1. May seldom be in the D/s and tickling chat rooms. Operates from other areas
or private
> rooms.
> 2. Has personal information which is incomplete or not verifiable.
> 3. Becomes defensive or angry when questioned.
> 4. Questions the sincerity of the submissive when questioned.
> 5. He will usually discourage or forbid the practice of reference
checks.
> 6. He will usually discourage or forbid the use of Safe Calls.
>
> 4) The Submissive's Personal Warning Signals:
> These are items that a submissive should pay attention to if she is
saying
> them to herself or hearing them from others.
> 1. I feel he is just too good to be true.
> 2. You are hearing consistent warnings from more that one person.
> 3. Your instincts are whispering something is not right about this
person.
>
> 5) Summary:
> The final best defense any submissive has against an Online
Predator is her
> own common sense and judgment. The submissive should always
remember that
> desires, needs, and the heat of the moment can combine to drown
that
> judgment. Always take a moment to step back, take a deep breath and
look at a
> potential partner with common sense and not with passion.
 
Valuable information!

Thank you for your desire to help keep us safe!

I think your bottom summary to use common sense and really think before acting are the most important!! And trust your gut!!

JPie
 
Yes, valuable indeed... however ....

Thanks for sharing the advice. But do you realize how much damage you have done as a result of posting this? Think about how many people out there you just scared the shit out of with what you wrote.

It's things like this that damage the reputation of not only the male, but every TMF user in general regardless of who they are or what they're about. Not all men are like this, njjen3953. Now, because you wrote what you wrote, the chances of ANY TMF (male or female) user trying to get an online relationship going with other users has gone down the toilet. Because people will be thinking about what they read in your post, there will be a lot less online relationships and God forbid...no real life meetings.

Thanks a lot.
 
damage???

I'm afraid I can't see how this post is damaging. For one thing, it addresses a serious concern among those who do meet with complete strangers. Also, it is focused on a distinct type of individual that I'm syre most of us would like to avoid. That said, I would hope that this post would not be overly alarming to the members of this forum in regards to future online relationships and meetings. It is simply a heads-up to those, especially submissives, to use common sense when agreeing to a real-life meeting. If this post prevents one person from getting into a potentially dangerous situation, then it is worth the risk of any damage.
 
just a little curious njjen, what the heck is this all about? not to get freaked out or anything, but im juast scrollin' through discussions and its
tickling
tickling
tickling
ONLINE PREDATORS!!!!
tickling
tickling
tickling
tickling

catch my drift, i mean all OT stuff isnt bad like everlast, that was just he actually needed help and i feel for him, but this is kinda... weird.

just postin' my thoughts 🙂
 
If a lady is contacted unsolicited by someone online, wether by E-mail or Instant Message, and the guy shows any of the listed traits, then that girl should beware of that person.
In the same measure, a list of Predator behaviors followed by an encouragment to plan a Real Life tickling experience seems bizarre.
I'm sure NJ Jen was only looking to give insight that might protect others. But I must be honest, the only female on this site that I've seen go out of her way to meet strangers is NJ Jen herself. When you conclude EVERY SINGLE one of your posts with an offer to meet in person you're basically dangling bait in front of someone who fits the Predator profile. I'm not saying that every guy who writes Jen is a predator, probably 99% of them AREN'T. But anything that you do in abundance will become Hit & Miss. If you buy 10 tickle videos 6 might be good and the other 4 stink. If you drink a 12 pack of beer 9 might be crisp but 3 are skunky. If you meet 10 guys online 9 might be cool and the tenth is bad news. A shitty video or a skunked beer can be discarded, but that tenth guy who fits the predator profile won't be so easy to get rid of.
More importantly, when you're willing to meet someone off of the computer it seems hypocritical that you could have a long list of characteristics that you would instantly expect them to live up to. Half of the traits on that list describe the typical jealous boyfriend. Have any of you seen the movie "Star 80" about Playboy model Dorothy Stratton? Her husband has almost ALL of those traits on Jen's list, and he mudered Dorothy.
I think Jen's advise should be followed by women who are worried about predators. The best advise that I could give these same women is that if you're worried about meeting predators online then don't go out of your way to have people contact you. There's nothing wrong with posting on a personals section, but don't overdo it. And most importantly, don't let this thread discourage you from meeting the other guys that are NOT predators. There are alot of good people in this Forum.
 
Internet Personals/chat room-type crime has gone up 500% in the past year. This includes murders, assaults, rapes, etc.

When meeting anyone it is important to use your head and judgement. Chat online, move the friendship to the phone. Get to know the person on the phone. Have a casual meeting at a public place a few times. It's just using your head. If a person is after a quick hook-up for tickling,they had better checked out their references with an online friend thoroughly or just go visit a prostitute. The only safe alternative to that, and the easiest way of meeting real people into tickling is through the Gatherings.

NEST was created for the sole purpose (no pun intended) of forming an environment where 'Lers and 'Lees can meet in a safe way.

I think Jen should be congratulated for her efforts. There is no quickie solution. There are a lot of Snakes online. Think with your head and not your crotch and you'll be alright. But if you are thinking of hooking up with someone and you don't have the luxury of a Gathering near you, check out this person with other online friends of yours before agreeing to anything.

My two cents...

Max
 
SECURITY on the TMF..and other online areas

Great POST Max....

To the point and so much common sense! Perhaps a TMF review board, so to speak, for those that feel they don't know enough people that could provide the help you talk about. The person looking to meet someone can send a private email request to a few people and get private opinion(s) on the person. The possibility of meeting without fear of 'the worst' happening is a little eased and the personal opinions of others may help. The one asking for the reference must also realize that others share similar tastes as well as dislikes but they will have more info that before they asked.

I will say that I am amazed listening to some stories from women I know in this group and just in life, that tell the wonderful time they had or about the great guy they just met... and when I say, "what is his name?" They say. ".. his name is "Joe" "Joe, What I say?" and their response is "he wont tell me his last name because he is afraid someone will find out."
WARNING WARNING WARNING!

If you are going to meet someone for tickling or dating or anything you have to get his name...... whether it is real or not! Just the question and answer will tell you alot about the person.

An online email check back in may work too... If someone has the time for this! Just suggesting a few things to keep others safe out there.

AND.....last of all Always send yourself an email saying where you are going , with who and something about the persons original location you are visiting. Hopefully you will just read it when you get home and giggle again! and if there was foul play ..... It will be published across the nation in a manhunt for that ONLINE PREDATOR!!!! Include a pic that MR wonderful sent you, too! It can't hurt!


and that is my 2 cents !

all ways ticklish,
Donna
 
This is a highly relevant and definitely an on topic post.

Thank you Jen.
 
The reason I posted this.

First, I'd like to thank all that have supported me and this post. I am not usually an alarmist and out of the 40 or so tickling sessions I have had in the past year, almost all of them were fabulous.
The reason for this post and the one about R/L tickling session safety, was prompted by an unfortunate incident. Initially, I was not going to say anything for fear of driving female ticklees deeper into hiding, but recently, I met with someone off this forum and it was a very bad situation. I did all my usual screening and my Master Pete even met him, although he was unable to stay for the session.
This guy disrespected me in every way. After setting CLEAR limits and enforcing that there be no genital contact, he sexually molested me once restrained. He took total advantage of my vulnerable situation and would not release me until I told him that he had sufficiently "broken" me and did a great job. After I was released, I went to the lobby of the motel that we were at and called some friends to come get me.
I felt that it was my obligation to everyone in this community, that was considering meeting with someone from online, to find a way to alert them of the potential dangers.
Some of the moderators here had been made aware of this event right after it happened.
I intend to keep having sessions, although I will now only meet with new people if Master Pete is available to be there.
It is unfortunate that I have to go this route because most of the community is very respectful.
As the saying goes, one bad apple ruins the whole bunch.
If you are thinking about having a private session with someone from online, I think that is great and hope it is a wonderful experience. Just Please be careful.

Take Care,
Jen
 
NJ Jen-- As you said, you did have an obligation to alert the people of the Forum of your bad experience. Furthermore you have an obligation to expose this person who molested you. I'm assuming from your post that he is a member of the Forum. I am not sure if the person's name has already been dropped. If you haven't publicly acknowledged this person by name than you are putting all the other women that he might contact at risk.
And not for nuthin', but why the hell are you meeting people at a motel unchaperoned?! That is ABSOLUTELY the stupidest thing you could do. It's one thing if you go to a gathering where there are alot of people, but I can't see even one logical reason you could have had for meeting someone that you chat online with at a Motel. Master Pete meeting him doesn't mean squat if he doesn't stay and chaperone.
I remember a thread I contributed to where the discussion topic was paying to tickle. Eventually NJ Jen posted on the thread saying basically that she doesn't pay to tickle first and foremost because she "Doesn't have to". When you go to a misrtess in NY there's always people there to protect her, even if they're not standing right there the whole time. If you meet an escort for a tickle session there's always her bodygaurd waiting in the car. There is always that element where the guy who's the tickler knows that he can't have full run of the candy store.
Granted NJ Jen maybe "Doesn't have to" pay for tickling, but there are also several elements that her sessions don't have. the most important element is your own safety. This person who sexually molested NJ Jen should be publicly outed and chastised.
 
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No offense was meant by my post. Meeting people online and then having a face to face meeting should be a careful process. What I meant to stress is that you should know that you're safe before you let someone tie you up. How many times have you heard about someone being sexually assaulted by someone they met online.
 
I understand, Wallstreet. I know what you were getting at and I agree with pretty much all of it, but I think we have to be careful with the wording. I think being tied up with someone you're just seeing for the first time is a pretty bad idea too, especially with no friend there. I think if you're going to use bondage in any situation unsupervised, it ought to be with someone you've trusted for a loooooooooong time. I don't think it's something you should ever do with someone the first time. And if you really MUST have it that way, there are padded cuffs that have release levers that can be reached in emergency. It may not be the MOST comfy thing, but for the next time, once the tickler has proven to be trustworthy, you can use something else for an even better tickling experience.
 
NJJen,

I really do think it's a good thing that you posted this and followed it up with the explanation of "why" you posted it. It's also very unfortunate that this sort of thing had to happen to you.

To all others that this applies to:
I'm very disappointed at the insensitivity of some of these posts!😡 Before you go judging a situation and giving your two cents, make sure your understand what it is you're opining about.

We're not here to blast people for not using the same method of judgement as we would. How dare you even be so presumptuous! I urge you to re-assess what you wrote in your posts before I personally edit them. Some of these posts are hurtful and worded insensitively with no regard for NJJen and what she went through. The person who is NJJen's offender will be dealt with accordingly.

All,
Please take extra precaution when meeting with someone from online. Internetters can present themselves however they choose to inorder to get you into their grasp. Never back yourself into a corner...

I hope to see some more supportive posts going forward.
 
Why?

I agree with the overall sentiment of what you've said MM, but I think many here still wonder WHY in the world you(njjen) would have a session without Master Pete present or other safeguards with a "first timer" with no refrences or credentials.....it's asking for trouble, especially in a bondage situation. I DON'T condone the actions of a top that go beyond previously discussed limits (before I get 30 fiery replies!), and believe you should pursue an apology at the very LEAST from the offender, if not legal action(don't know the details...). If this were to happen to my tickle bottom, I'd have an awful lot to say to the guy, on an ongoing basis in whatever type of confrontational manner that seemed appropriate. Again, all my sympathies to you, and no debate regarding the recent posts about security, but I think that's why you may not be seeing the type of posts you might normally expect..... Q
 
MistressMia,


Thank you so much for saying what you just did.

First Njjen, offers sound advice..

People complain about it.

Then she explains why she offered it.

Peolpe beat up on her for being a ViCTIM!!!

This is being a "community"???
I just dont' get it. One of our own is hurting and thats what we give her? I'm ashamed.

God bless you NJ Jen.

–Ticklebug
 
I don't think anyone meant their posts as an attack on NJ Jen. I've edited my earlier post as to make it more compliant with Mia's wishes. Although my posts are often direct and sometimes rude they are intended to make a drastic point. I apologize if my original post seemed insensitive. I was expressing my opinion that Jen could be more thorough with her screening, and perhaps my expressing was insensitive. I don't have a right to ram my standards down anybody's throat, but we're talking about a situation where somebody was sexually molested by another Forum member.
When a child molester moves into a neighborhood the local papers run articles informing people of the deviant's presence. We don't have that luxury online because people can simply change their handle.
Before I found the TMF I would go to other sites where they had message boards. Alot of the posters would claim to be women, only to be exposed down the line as men looking for the attention of other men. The TMF was honestly the first place I found where I'd be communicating with someone who said they were female and then they would turn out to be female. This is a great place for male and female tickling enthusiasts to meet. The people here seem to be for the most part good hearted. But unfortunately someone who fits the predator profile would look upon our quaint Forum as a feeding ground. I've seen many posts over the last year from people commending Jen on how cool it is that she's so willing to meet in person for tickling, but I haven't seen one single post warning her about creeps until it was too late.
I think one thing that we ALL agree on is that the creep who molested NJ Jen is the real villian here.
 
Thanks for the support.

Hi all,
I want to thank all who have understood and supported me in this thread. Mia, I really appreciate you stepping in here.
And for those who changed their original outlooks, thanks to you.
As I said in my explanation, I have drastically changed my screening process and WILL NO LONGER MEET ANY NEW PEOPLE UNLESS AT A GATHERING OR WITH MASTER PETE PRESENT.
If anyone still wants to meet with me and is ok with these new rules, I would happily meet with you.
As for the perpatrator in question, the moderators know who he is. They have not only his TMF handle, but also his e-mail addresses.
He has unsubscribed from the tickling yahoogroups that i belong to and I have not seen him in TMF since the incident. True, he may resurface as another, but all that can be done at present has been done.
Now it is up to everyone to just be very careful.

Jen
 
I'm glad to hear that NJ Jen has raised her criteria. However I must say that the Mods knowing who this person is isn't enough. I may come off like a vigilante here but what I have to say is important. The Mods are NOT the police. Not only that, but if charges haven't been pressed yet then I doubt they will be. I guess this would be a difficult thing to explain to the cops.
This person may have already become friendly with other forum members and may be communicating with them outside of the Forum. I'm planning a Go-Go bar excursion with some of the other members. How do I know that this piece of s*#* hasn't already infiltrated himself into my party. If I bring this guy around women and he ends up abusing them then we're going to have a problem. EVERY woman on this Forum should be made aware of his identity. If this guy gets to abuse another girl then it will not only be his fault for being a scumbag, but it will also be the fault of those who conceal his identity. I'm not saying to post his real name and address, but something must be done other than Mods knowing his name. This guy can simply go to a friend or relatives house, log onto their computer with a new handle, and be back in our midst.
I'm sure the next time I visit this thread I'll be walking into a "Calm down WallStreet" type of post. Someone will point out that it wasn't done to me and that I shouldn't worry about it. Don't post something contrary to what I said unless you're also going to suggest a better solution.
 
Jen posted this to a list I read, and I liked it there, and like it here. Bein' wise to predators in ANY kink is good.

Like Max, I, too, started the West Coast Gatherings so that folks could play in a safe place, with screened folks, and not fear being mistreated. Like anyone talkin' to many women online, there's a contemptable number of people that just don't play nice. More often than not, it's easy to meet whole groups of us, coast to coast. Whether my events, Max', Bella's or Andy's up north, Jo's and Mark's down south, etc., there are numerous events, even beyond those off the top of my head, that exist to allow folks to meet safely, in a group setting.

It beats the risk, hands down.

dvnc
p.s. yeah, I did forget the Hyena's Den, on the East Coast, but once I remembered, I couldn't pass on a chance t'tease TTD...
 
It really is out of my hands.

It is by request of the adninistration that i not mention any names. If they change their position on this, I will name him in a heart beat. And, no charges were not pressed. I just couldn't see going to police and saing...."I met this guy at a motel and let him tie me up and then he molested me".

So, I await the voice of the TMF adninistration as to how to proceed.

Jen
 
DVNC

DVNC said:
p.s. yeah, I did forget the Hyena's Den, on the East Coast, but once I remembered, I couldn't pass on a chance t'tease TTD...

You also forgot josie's NYST.
 
I just have to say this .....

and anyone can reply the way they want, of course.


After all the attention this thread got and all of us, male and female alike, knowing that safety is number 1, Jen~you are saying that you are leaving it up to anyone else to meet this guy because of why????????????????????????????????????


This is like having a rule that says no means no unless of course you ask 3 times.........


Guess its time to go back to lurking and just saying hmmmmmm when reading the TMF..

Still always ticklish... just more quietly

Donna
 
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