the whole forced orgasm thing

[TklDuo-Ann]

I think part of the issue here is that we have different bases for viewing things.

Viper & co. are correct that the majority of those here are into tickling for the sexual aspects. So, obviously, forced orgasm blends in nicely with that since it's more sexual. They're also correct in saying that most people become more sensitive to tickling after orgasm. So, bringing them to that point makes it relevant from a pure intensity perspective. They're even correct in stating that many people view this material as a turn-on in order to get themselves up (no pun intended) for sexual activity...whether solo or with a partner. That's all valid and understood.

Sexi, myself and others don't get into the sexual side of things...or at least not primarily that side. So, even though it does make people more sensitive, forced orgasm and the like is seen more as a distraction. It's not a matter of being ignorant or dense, as some are suggesting. Nor is it a matter of missing a point. It's simply different preferences.

When you look at things through different lenses, they look different. Our differing preferences are our lenses. So, we see things differently. That's all. I'd like to suggest that those who are getting nasty in their comments take a step back and consider that their views aren't the only ones that are valid. We don't have to agree with one another or change personal preferences. But, we do have to show a little common courtesy and respect for one another.

Ann

 

[ViperGTS]

I think part of the issue here is that we have different bases for viewing things.

Viper & co. are correct that the majority of those here are into tickling for the sexual aspects. So, obviously, forced orgasm blends in nicely with that since it's more sexual. They're also correct in saying that most people become more sensitive to tickling after orgasm. So, bringing them to that point makes it relevant from a pure intensity perspective. They're even correct in stating that many people view this material as a turn-on in order to get themselves up (no pun intended) for sexual activity...whether solo or with a partner. That's all valid and understood.

Sexi, myself and others don't get into the sexual side of things...or at least not primarily that side. So, even though it does make people more sensitive, forced orgasm and the like is seen more as a distraction. It's not a matter of being ignorant or dense, as some are suggesting. Nor is it a matter of missing a point. It's simply different preferences.

When you look at things through different lenses, they look different. Our differing preferences are our lenses. So, we see things differently. That's all. I'd like to suggest that those who are getting nasty in their comments take a step back and consider that their views aren't the only ones that are valid. We don't have to agree with one another or change personal preferences. But, we do have to show a little common courtesy and respect for one another.

Ann

You're far more politically correct than I will ever be.

The problem we're having here is a failure to communicate. I'm not calling names because papi here has his own opinions and points of view, I'm calling names because he refuses to look at things from the perspective of someone who thinks of tickling as sexual. He's trying to see it from his understanding and it just won't work. I fully understand his idea that tickling is only playful, and a fun thing to do. I look at it as if I were trying to understand why someone else might think that having their hair stroked with fingers is a turn on. I don't find it to be arousing, but damned if it doesn't fel incredibly good. However I can understand that someone else might find that to be a sexual stimulant. Papi refuses to look through anyone else's eyes, and thus, cannot understand anyone else's point of view.

If you want to understand something that you don't yet, you need to open your mind to multiple possibilities, other than your own.

 

[sexypapi]

well said ANN...

and i think i dont want to continue this discussion because i am sick of the name calling which shows a lack of maturity, class and tact.

saying some is "dense as a rock" is just the sort of thing that i am talking about when i say: "please no smart ass posts"

this is also why many people stay lurkers in this forum and others because of this kind of nonsense

people with these kinds of posts should feel ashamed, simply present your point and then respond with a counter point.

must people always dissolve into baiting and insulting?
just because one can hide behind anonymity doesnt make it ok to lose civility

when did the internet become so hostile?

anyway ANN thanks for holding down the noise



ps. viper did you even read my post? did i say tickling is or should be only playful? and even if i am dense is that a reason to call me names?

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

You're far more politically correct than I will ever be.

Mark, Mark, Mark....! Listen up, bro. It's not a matter of being politically correct. In fact, I think that's the first time I've been accused of that. lol It's simply a matter of agreeing to disagree when necessary. Refusing to stoop to name calling is not being PC. It's being a civil person...something I'd recommend to those who like name calling and the like. You made some valid points in your initial post. May I suggest that you leave it at that and not try to force things down people's throats?

In the words of Sgt. Hulka....Lighten up, Francis.

Let me play devil's advocate here. If I were of the opinion that most/all tickling material should be jerk-off material, I'd prefer the more overt sexual content too. But, that would not negate the fact that others don't care for it. Nor would it mean that their opinions are less valuable than my own. It simply means that there is a need (as with anything in life) for a variety.

Sexi has a very valid point in stating that this kind of intellerance is what keeps people from getting involved here. Let's not chase people away because of the ignorance of intollerance. Let's agree to disagree where necessary and leave the name calling in pre-school where it belongs.

Ann

 

[ViperGTS]

Of course I read the original post. I don't post in a thread unless I've read through at least the majority of all the responses, as well.

I really love tickling however i am not into porn or anything that really resembles porn

The above statement (taken from the original post) inferss that tickling is a non-sexual act. Unless I am mistaken, there are two types of ticklers. Those who enjoy meshing tickling with sexual interaction, and those who do not. Those who do not are considered "playful" ticklers.

and i think i dont want to continue this discussion because i am sick of the name calling which shows a lack of maturity, class and tact.

So one person who is more volatile than you would prefer is going to make you throw your hands up in protest and run away?

saying some is "dense as a rock" is just the sort of thing that i am talking about when i say: "please no smart ass posts"

The answer was given to you repeatedly, but you still didn't get it. Whether or not you are able to understand what we say to you is another story all together. If what we tell you is not the information you are looking for, please elaborate on what points we've missed, and we'll be happy to be more specific. Restating your original question over and over will not help us to answer you, though.

people with these kinds of posts should feel ashamed, simply present your point and then respond with a counter point.

One line of text is making you this upset? Relax, brother, go to the mall and get a back massage. 😉

when did the internet become so hostile?

It's got nothing to do with when. The internet is a collection of massive amounts of people. No matter where you go in life, there will always be someone who has something to say that you won't agree with, whether it's a conflicting opinion, a direct insult, or something else. The internet is no exception.

And don't take the things we say (the things I say, specifically...ask anyone) so seriously. Things are said on a whim, and most often (especially with me) are said with sarcasm. 🙂 I apologize if I upset you. I meant not to, only to try to make you realize that you were missing the point. I could have tried to say it in a less frictional way.

 

[sexypapi]

Of course I read the original post. I don't post in a thread unless I've read through at least the majority of all the responses, as well.



The above statement (taken from the original post) inferss that tickling is a non-sexual act. Unless I am mistaken, there are two types of ticklers. Those who enjoy meshing tickling with sexual interaction, and those who do not. Those who do not are considered "playful" ticklers.



So one person who is more volatile than you would prefer is going to make you throw your hands up in protest and run away?



The answer was given to you repeatedly, but you still didn't get it. Whether or not you are able to understand what we say to you is another story all together. If what we tell you is not the information you are looking for, please elaborate on what points we've missed, and we'll be happy to be more specific. Restating your original question over and over will not help us to answer you, though.



One line of text is making you this upset? Relax, brother, go to the mall and get a back massage. 😉



It's got nothing to do with when. The internet is a collection of massive amounts of people. No matter where you go in life, there will always be someone who has something to say that you won't agree with, whether it's a conflicting opinion, a direct insult, or something else. The internet is no exception.

And don't take the things we say (the things I say, specifically...ask anyone) so seriously. Things are said on a whim, and most often (especially with me) are said with sarcasm. 🙂 I apologize if I upset you. I meant not to, only to try to make you realize that you were missing the point. I could have tried to say it in a less frictional way.

i had to make "one last" response

ok so you want to do the post my post then respond to each section to make myself look smart and informed routine ehh? but surprise you still come back to square one just because i dont like porn does that mean i am into "playful" tickling I guess we need to contact merriam-webster to give a us a correct definition of "playful tickling" because the opposite of pornography doesn't mean playful tickling to me. perhaps "playful tickling" has a subjective meaning.
as for the rest of your itemized check list i dont want to continue to respond to what has gone from an argument to a debate to (thanks to you) an egg throwing insult riddled argument. no matter how you in YOUR mind justify it it is not fruitful discussion as long as...well hell im just wasting my time....

sometimes finding an intelligent discussion with intellegent people on the internet is truely like sifting through a horse manure pile searching for diamonds
if your intention was to have this outcome then to you i say well done

peace

 

[ViperGTS]

just because i dont like porn does that mean i am into "playful" tickling I guess we need to contact merriam-webster to give a us a correct definition of "playful tickling" because the opposite of pornography doesn't mean playful tickling to me. perhaps "playful tickling" has a subjective meaning.

Then what ARE you into? If I'm wrong in my assumption, correct me, please. I'd like to know what my mistakes are so I can avoid making them in the future.

as for the rest of your itemized check list i dont want to continue to respond to what has gone from an argument to a debate to (thanks to you) an egg throwing insult riddled argument.

I wouldn't consider one solitary insult, that has since been apologized for, grounds for calling this whole thread "riddled" with insults.

sometimes finding an intelligent discussion with intellegent people on the internet is truely like sifting through a horse manure pile searching for diamonds
if your intention was to have this outcome then to you i say well done

peace

Glad we could help...

Seriously, bro, relax.

 

[Storm_Cat]

* .....wanders off instead .... *

 

[Redmage]

I don't completely get this term, isn't every orgasm really "forced" by whoever you're with unless you're doing it to yourself?

Well, yes and no. Certainly it's consensual, but just like tickling there comes a point in a string of rapid-fire orgasms when the lady isn't sure how much more she can take. That's when you enter a lovely zone in which she wants you to stop, but hopes you won't.

Sexi, myself and others don't get into the sexual side of things...or at least not primarily that side. So, even though it does make people more sensitive, forced orgasm and the like is seen more as a distraction. It's not a matter of being ignorant or dense, as some are suggesting. Nor is it a matter of missing a point. It's simply different preferences.

I have no problem with different preferences. I'd never insist that everyone play the same way I do.

However Sexipapi posted asking for help in understanding why anyone would be interested in this style. Any frustration you read is simply because several people explained it to him in what seemed to be very clear terms (you got it right off, Ann), and he still said that it didn't make sense. Hopefully it's clearer now, after a second round of explanations.

Let me play devil's advocate here. If I were of the opinion that most/all tickling material should be jerk-off material, I'd prefer the more overt sexual content too.

Then you'd be taking that position for reasons very different than mine, Ann, since I'm not of that opinion. I happen to enjoy both playful and sexual tickling, and even my sexual tickling is usually playful. Tickling media is no more inherently "jerk-off material" than any other depiction of sensual interactions between two or more people. But to my way of thinking it's no less so, either.

 

[aun_existe_amor]

Surely it's possible for adults on an adult forum to have a proper discussion or debate without childish, arrogant, insulting remarks being thrown at each other. It really does make some people reluctant to post an opinion or even post at all. How will we ever see the bigger picture if only a few people out of thousands ever post anything because some people come accross as being intimidating ? We are all different, have different life experiences and cultures. We will not always agree on everything. If we all learn to respect each others opinions we might just learn something. I see both sides to this argument (which should be a discussion).

 

[ViperGTS]

Will people please stop calling this and argument, or an insult-fest? One offensive remark was made. It was apologized for. LET IT GO.

 

[Goodieluver]

I still wanna know why\how this issue came up. I mean the video and image thread is not overflowing of nude ticklin or orgasm ticklin, some here there...i was gonna actually count but i kept getting stalled as i went past elfriends thread(s) there now. But im just sayin, this isnt a epidemic that will turn the tickle industry into a hardcore porn outlet. There are many companies that dont do nudity and just do tickling out there, browsing clips4sale can show u a bunch of them.

But i agree with viper, tickling to many is a sexual thing, me as one as well. Nudity\forcing orgasms or the like is just another arousing thing to watch in it

 

[lk70]

I wonder why I'm even posting, but as I read the responses, I wondered if maybe the word "control" was confusing? The way I compare the tickling/forced orgasm/teasing&denial thing is a ler/dom/top's desire to be the cause of a reaction, to elicit an involunary reaction from their lee/sub/bottom. (gonna use dom and sub now, ok?)

So level one- tickling elicits laughing, squirming, maybe begging, maybe screaming, all involuntary (and I mean involuntary in the biological sense, like breathing is involuntary even though of course you WANT to breathe- it's something that happens in spite of what you do or don't want to happen)

Many are aroused by level one and like to take it to level two.

Level two- teasing and denial. The dom brings the sub close over and over again, very likely interspersing more tickling between bouts of teasing. More laugher, more squirming (a different kind of squirming, probably) and almost certainly begging. There may or may not be the gift of an orgasm at level two.

Many are aroused by level two and BAM Let's kick it up a notch!

Level three- "you want an orgasm? OK...have 8." Again, eliciting an involunary response from the sub.

Power, control, whatever you want to call it, I think it's different levels of the same impulse, for those who are aroused by it. Not all will be aroused by level one, for those who are, not all will be aroused by level two. For those who are, not all will be aroused by level three (and beyond.... )

Or maybe not.... 🙂

 

[Redmage]

That's a good breakdown, LK70. I agree 100% that, for me at least, making my sub respond as I want her to and controlling what she's feeling is a huge part of it for me. Even that is a means to an end - the ultimate goal is getting inside her head, becoming part of her. It's a lot like dancing in many ways.

I also like playing with dichotomies. Teasing and forced orgasms are about turning great pleasure into a tool to make my lady crazy - to take her out of herself and into a place where I want her to be. The dichotomy of "God, that feels good - TOO GOOD" is just too much fun.