This NOT a video post...but it may interest you.

[AlienInDaHizous]

Hello all.

here is my two cents;
-your right TIB, I DON'T make the movies, I DON'T hire the models, and I DON'T pay them. But all we are asking for is for clips...that's spelt C-L-I-P-S. No we are not spending hundreds and making thousands like youself, but then again, we are not here to do so. We are here to see, experience and for some, to get off. I LOVE tickling in all of it's beautiful forms: hand in hand, playful, sexual, loving, hateful, helpful, hurtful, short, long, stimulating and tortuous. Your right, "he has not spent a dime" on creating his own full length video, but all he wants is a freaking clip...a 15 second piece of film showing him your artwork. I am sick and tired of all of the ads in this place. The insane price of a few minutes of tickling and the knowledge that as soon as he clicks on your stupid link he is offered to join some crappy site and charged with a hint of what you offer. It use to be free, it use to be for us, but no. Hey mediator....are you listening, do us all a favor and make another link that these people can post clips...NOT OFFERS, and hey, if they break the rules...cut them off, they were'nt offering us anything anyway. a 15 minute clip for 5, 6, 7 bucks?!?!?!?!?Come people, wake up!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, and goodnight!

 

[freq]

WOW, Alien, it's good to see you back around. Thought you abandoned us out here.

Miss your girl. :O) Miss your paintbrush.

 

[ADOLFO]

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALIEN IN THIS ONE! THIS FORUM USED TO BE FOR PEOPLE TO "SHARE" FILES WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT RIGHT NOW, IT IS A PLACE FOR PURE ADVERTISEMENT. IT IS NICE TO USE THIS SPACE TO ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCTS FOR FREE , BUT IT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU GUYS TO POST A FEW SECONDS LONG CLIP FOR FREE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SORRY BOYS, BUT IF I DON'T GET A SAMPLE THERE'S NO WAY I'M BUYING ANYTHING! AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL I'M GIVING MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER AWAY IN SOME "FETISH" SITE OF ANY KIND, AND NO WAY THAT I'M DISHING OUT MONEY TO SEE A PERSON GET TICKLED! SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF EVERY MOVE YOU MAKE, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU! BETTER CREATE A FORUM OR A PAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE ALL THE PRODUCERS CAN ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCTS. ANYBODY TRYING TO MAKE ADVERTISING ON THIS PAGE SHOULD BE CUT OFF AUTOMATICALLY. THANKS ALIEN AND I KNOW THERE'S WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY WE DO.

 

[ticklevids]

oh please....

face it... your 'trading' days would be over if this board or ANY board enforced copyrights.

What would you trade then? Well, you would trade the 1% of clips that are truly amateur and not copyrighted and the free clips offered by the producers.

all you loudmouths should step up and actually PRODUCE some tradable content instead of recycling stuff you shouldn't be posting anyway. I wonder why you don't do that.... I bet I know...

 

[Sciamster]

thats fine

Thats fine, but if you don't want to pay for the clips, expect ugly and unticklish models. Come on people, open your eyes, nothing is for free in this world and you can't blame TIB for that. If anything you should be thanking him for getting such good models. And also, i have donated probably a couple hundred to them for their clips and video's, they are always the most professional people in the world. I even had an instance where their video never got to me after me sending them CASH, they sent me another and apologized, let alone call me a liar. So anyways, i'm not trying to start a fight but you guys need to lay off these companies, because i don't think they are making as much as you think they do. But i appreciate you guys, so don't worry TIB.

 

[MikeMike]

Here's what I don't understand:

If you don't like the ads, then don't read them.

If you don't want to pay for clips, then don't buy them.

If you're watching television, and a commercial comes on, you can change the channel. And if you don't want to buy what the commercial is selling, you don't have to buy it.

Why should a person be banned from advertising a product that many of us, in fact, do want?

Adolfo, if you don't want to give out your credit card number out, that's fine. You don't have to. Those of us that are comfortable with doing so are free to do so. Alien, you don't have to read the ads. Nobody is making you read them. It's your decision to not ignore them and let them make you angry. And just because you don't agree with the price doesn't mean, in turn, that I agree with you. I might think the price is fair.

In fact, it makes just as little sense to advocate banning people from advertising as it does to ban people from sharing clips at no cost.

Also, there were never 'free' clips. There were, and are, clips that people don't charge money for. But they cost money to produce and host.

But the problem is this: while folks like Alien and Adolfo might have been satisfied with the non-commercial fare, many of us were not. The evidence for this is that if there was no further demand for such product, it would not be sold. I think Alien and Adolfo think people like me are victims of commercial advertising that need to 'wake up,' as Alien puts it. But it's the other way around. We wanted commercial fare, so the free market kicked in, and we got it.

Now, it's also worth pointing out that if you really feel so strongly about the producers, there is one way, and one way only, that you could put them out of business: that would be for you to put out content that you would not charge people for. If you did this, people would use your product, rather than TIB's or Jeff's, or someone elses. I've heard it claimed by many that are angry about commercial clips that it only costs a few hundred dollars to produce them, and you resent the profits. Therefore, my suggestion is for you to produce these clips using the minimal amount of money you claim it would cost, and simply not charge for them. The producers would be put out of business, and you would get your commercial-free forum back.

The only other alternatives would be to convince the moderators to ban the producers, or convince people like me to stop buying clips. I can't speak for the mods, but if I feel like spending the amount of money it takes to buy a couple beers for something I like considerably more, I'll continue to do so.

 

[Kalamos]

I don't usually like when ppl fight over things...

Some of those who disagree with producers, do so quite vehemently, and I'd rather read more "soft-spoken" posts.

Still, Alien had a point I could agree on: lately freely downloadable [preview] clip have gotten quite scarce. And he might feel sincerely pissed off by seeing just offers, ads, not free clips.

While I would love to see only free clip here, we all know it's quite unlikely it will happen: producers needs exposure, and if Jeff made a dedicated forum just for paid clips, probably nobody would go and see what they offer.

Sure, flame would probably get lower, if Jeff did create a "Paid Clips Gallery". But producers would probably resent the idea.


Reg's!

 

[jetski100]

I have no technical knowledge of what it takes to maintain a forum site like this but my guess is that it requires a lot of time and some expense. It may be that some of the producers help fund this place as an opportunity to promote thier products --which I find no problem with. Bandwith is expensive and when a producer puts a "free clip" up and thousands of people download it, there is a cost for that. I am not a fan of the $1 a minute video clip and that is why I paid $25 for dungeon maidens for a month and downloaded 6 moives (250 minutes) and also $20 for 200 minutes at tickleparadise video theater.

People can make their own choices but should not have to flame the producers for not putting out free stuff. Personally, I am not a fan of the 5 minute clips --I would rather be able to purchase a 40-60 minute DVD to watch on a bigger screen TV But I am sure the 5 minute clips have worked well for the producers because they can get a lot of people who aren't willing to pay $40 for a full video but are willing to shell out $5 for a quick "tickle fix".

Producers--keep up the good work-esp. TIB - the classiest ticklish women out there.

 

[nontkl]

Just want you all to know that this stupid whiny argument has been going on since literally the first month of TMF (I was there) and on the imbecilic alt.tickling site. I've been offline for over a year and upon my return, unsuprisingly, it rages on. I try to ignore it but here I allow myself to take the bait and get roped in again.

I say to all the people who complain so effin' much about video clips, I'd like YOU to go out, hire a model, make a clip, and post it for free. When you've contributed something like that for no charge, then you can start calling other people on it.

Incidentally, this board NEVER had tons of clips posted for free on it. In fact, there are probably as many free clips posted on this board right now as there EVER has.

And incidentally, what is this "all we're asking is for a 15 second clip" baloney? You post a 15 second clip and EVERYONE is complaining that it's too short and then we have a whole new (but similarly stupid) argument. Silver Cherry DOES post a free clip and someone starts complaining that there is no foot tickling in it. Let's face it...you complainers tend to be a selfish, immature breed.
This is not a board for you to be served...."We are here to see tickling, I get off on tickling...." ....what the hell nonsense is that? Don't speak for me! I'm not here to see tickling! I see tickling all the time! I'm here for the whole spectrum of communication about this little proclivity...if someone wants to post a clip, great, you bet I'll download it...but it's not their obligation and it's not your birthright to enjoy it free of charge.

I HATE paying ridiculous amounts of money on this stuff....but I'm also a record collector and hate spending money on that as well, but what am I supposed to do? Why should anyone give ANYTHING to you or to me for free? I mean, I think I've contributed a hell of a lot to this board, more than most.....where's my free stuff, then? If I don't get myself some free clips, the ones I'm entitled to by being born and joining this board (free of charge) RIGHT NOW, I'm gonna start crying like a blubbery baby. Waaah! I want my free clips!! Goo goo ga ga! No, not that one, I don't like that one, MORE free clips....where are they? I want my mama! I want my clips! Ooh, that clip is too short! Waaaah!!! All I want is some free clips, where are they? Oooh, that one doesn't get tickled behind her left knee, no fair! Waaah! Waaah!

I actually have a theory that the only people who ever complain about this shit are under 21, probably WAY under 21. You know it's true.

 

[Kalamos]

I actually have a theory that the only people who ever complain about this shit are under 21, probably WAY under 21. You know it's true.

Well, since complaining is still free - sort of, since it DOES cost bandwidth too - some resort to it readily. 😀

But I suspect you are right: one of them actually "stuck his tongue out" at TIB.

He probably was very, very young. 😀


Reg's.

 

[fro617]

*raises his glass*

I'm with you on this one, nontkl. But, hey, it's the society we live in today. Many people confuse "privileges" with "rights", and so they view getting free clips here like it's a requirement. But you make a good point: we didn't pay anything to join the TMF, nor do any of the moderators make any claims about what we receive if we do join, other than a forum to browse. Where does it say that we're required to make, say, one significant contribution a month? (Though, you've got to admit, that may just solve the problem of all of these angry posters 😉 ) I don't know about anyone else, but I was taught that if you don't do anything for anyone, you can't expect anything in return. And, to beat others to the point, I should point out that none of the producers have come on here and griped that it's our fault that business is so bad or anything like that. Hey, I'm not going to pretend I don't love free stuff, because, trust me, I do. But I'm not going to gripe about the quality when it's not costing me anything to download.

And, while we're discussing this . . . Come on now. A lot of you complain about how, aside from a few people, nobody even tries to post free clips anymore. Well, let's set aside the arguments about bandwidth and Yahoo Groups limits and whatnot (I mean, they're important, but everyone has heard them before), and focus on another major point: TOO MUCH STRESS. That's why I haven't made more of an attempt to post clips. I figure if I post, say, a stomach tickling clip, the foot tickling fans are going to get on my case and complain that I don't do anything for them. So the next time I'd post a foot tickling clip and the stomach fans would flame me. It's a no-win situation. Plus, I'm no producer, and so I have a limited amount of clips I could post. What happens when I run out? *shudders* I can only imagine the crap I'd get then.

I sympathize with the producers. Let's face it, people: If you really care about getting free clips, make it so people feel comfortable posting what they can, and be greatful to those who do. Like the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

Oh, and nontkl, for the record, I'm 19, so I hope you don't think ALL us youngins are whiny 🙂

 

[dskodj]

I HATE paying ridiculous amounts of money on this stuff....but I'm also a record collector and hate spending money on that as well, but what am I supposed to do?

Ok..this should probably go in General but it was mentioned so lets change the subject LOL...what type of music do you collect for records? Im a collector to a sort as well, but I mainly go for late 70s underground club music now days for classic rare vinyl. But very much got all the good classic rock too from over the years and know quite a bit about all kinds of music collecting/rare stuff (70s and 80s). I get great steals of prices with some vendors I deal with (basicly..the people that got good rare stuff of all kinds and dont know shit about what they are selling LOL). So, let me know and maybe I could point you in the right direction to some decent vendors that sell the good stuff wayyyy to cheep..also not to mention mint- condition as well😉

 

[Kalamos]

Re: *raises his glass*

Oh, and nontkl, for the record, I'm 19, so I hope you don't think ALL us youngins are whiny 🙂

I suppose it's a matter of being mature, or even having common sense. 😀


Now, to be back on the clips topic, I'd like to post my "gripe".
It's not a whiny complaint: it's just a technical point.

I know bandwidth costs money: this explains why most clips are short, and/or lo-quality [besides the logical reason why you can't make a trailer longer than the actual movie... 😀 ]

My issue is: I find some clips have very long opening or closing sequence. Some clips put ads in them. Jeff's clips come to mind.

Other clips - I could mention some from Tk Paradise - have a good minute with just a title and nothing else. It's weighty, at around a meg or so, in a 5 megs big clip.

If I could breach [n]etiquette, and give an unsolicited advice to producers, I'd say: please reduce those sequences, or just optimize clips to weigh less. If feasible, I suppose smaller size would mean lower costs.

Just my 2 eurocents. 🙂


Reg's.

 

[gekoman]

I have a question.

When you want to buy a new car, do you go to the carlot. Buy the car, and than drive it? NO! YOU TAKE IT ON A TEST DRIVE!

ok I have another question.

When you want to buy a new car, do you look at some pictures, call up the carlot and give them your credit card? NO! YOU GO TO THE CAR LOT AND TAKE IT ON A TEST DRIVE!

This is eaxactly what most companies are doing. I know I'm the new guy, but come on, you can't take the word of any man saying this is the best clip in the world. I'm mean if I say there's a God, that doesn't mean you guys are going to start believing that right? Of course not..... Would it really kill a company to post a 15sec clip? If it would than maybe they shouldn't be in buisness.

 

[fro617]

Ah, the beloved car metaphor. Let me ask you something: is there ANY other industry that allows you to test the product before deciding on whether or not to buy it? And don't start listing the chain electronics stores, because that's the STORE'S prerogative, not the company that makes the product; the maker has already been paid. And while we're killing that metaphor, I'll use your terms. The statement has been made in previous related posts in other threads that, essentially, if you can't get free clips, you want people to disseminate copyrighted material. Would you still encourage people to steal cars from a car lot that didn't let you test drive? Would you knowingly take a stolen car from someone? Maybe one or two people would say yes, but I believe most of you wouldn't do that. I just don't see why it's so difficult to make what appears to me as a logical analogy. Is it really the fact that it's digital media that makes it so hard to connect?

It sure says quite a bit when the only argument people can make is that car lots allow you to test drive them. If you don't like the producers, boycott them. I figure that they must be doing something right if they can stay in business. If enough people echo the sentiment, the producers won't have any choice but to change their tactics. Just don't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

 

[jmsdarke]

A long passionate statement of the perception of the past purpose of this forum does not create reality.

James Darke

 

[venray]

LOL. Let me add one thing to the last car post. If you did indeed buy the car would you share what you paid for with everyone on the internet? I think not. Now how many of you have actually read the "about the TMF section on the main entrance page?


"
In moving the Tickling Media Forum from its former home on EzBoards to our own server we have made a very big leap from a neat little site that was fun to do and which gave us enjoyment, to a site that is vastly superior in both size and in the amount of time that must be invested in running it. Are we simply gluttons for punishment? No. We felt that this was something that we needed to do not only for ourselves, but for the good of the community as a whole. There are several reasons for this....
The one major reason for this is that the TMF fills a gap. For years there have been sites that go up and are down again a few months later. The reason for this is that to run a site takes time and in some cases money, but it also takes interest. After a while interest in doing such a site wans and the site disappears. There has never been one constant site that Tickling fans have been able to rely upon or call their home. The idea behind this site is that we do not do all the work, and therefore it is much less likely that we will ever grow tired of it. Who does most of the work you might ask? You do. You and those like you who come to this Forum, who post their content, discuss their views, and share their stories. The quality of this site depends directly on those who frequent it. We shall do our part and make sure that it remains up to date and fun, but the real quality of the site depends greatly upon those who inhabit it on a daily or weekly basis.
The second, and equally important reason that this site was something that had to be done, was that unlike all other tickling sites it has a social structure. What do I mean by this? Look at the most common refuge of the Tickling fans for the last four years. It has been Alt.Multimedia.Tk . While that newsgroup does boast great amounts of binary files for download, it is also scarred with undying cruelty of one person against another. What some call Flame Wars. This is possible because there is no way to stop those who fuel such fires. Reasoning is ineffective as is pleading. So what makes this place, this TMF, any better? Here there is control. This site is run by people who have been around the community for a long time and whom some of you know to be cool, upstanding people. It is said that no society can exist without order because without order there will ultimately be chaos. In our opinion that is what the Tickling Community has been in recent years, total chaos. Not here. Here those people that run the TMF will not allow "flame wars" to spread, in fact, we will try to not even allow the torch to be lit. Here the deeds of those that strive for discord and thrive on defiance will not go unanswered.
So in short, here is where you can be yourself, unwind and have fun without the threat of being personally attacked. Here the many people who make up the tickling community can become just that, a community.... "

- The TMF Staff

 

[venray]

and how many of you have actually read any of the info posted here.....

http://www.ticklingforum.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=76

I think very few. The past is still the present. This is the place for a community to come together and share ideas and materials that they have the right to share. NOT a place for minors to post...nor a place to share materials owned by others without permission.

It really is that simple.


Ray

 

[tickler_n_black]

This is the place for a community to come together and share ideas and materials that they have the right to share. NOT a place for minors to post...nor a place to share materials owned by others without permission.

It really is that simple.

Ray

venray for president!

 

[gekoman]

Ah, the beloved car metaphor. Let me ask you something: is there ANY other industry that allows you to test the product before deciding on whether or not to buy it? And don't start listing the chain electronics stores, because that's the STORE'S prerogative, not the company that makes the product; the maker has already been paid. And while we're killing that metaphor, I'll use your terms. The statement has been made in previous related posts in other threads that, essentially, if you can't get free clips, you want people to disseminate copyrighted material. Would you still encourage people to steal cars from a car lot that didn't let you test drive? Would you knowingly take a stolen car from someone? Maybe one or two people would say yes, but I believe most of you wouldn't do that. I just don't see why it's so difficult to make what appears to me as a logical analogy. Is it really the fact that it's digital media that makes it so hard to connect?

It sure says quite a bit when the only argument people can make is that car lots allow you to test drive them. If you don't like the producers, boycott them. I figure that they must be doing something right if they can stay in business. If enough people echo the sentiment, the producers won't have any choice but to change their tactics. Just don't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

(I don't know what my post had to do with stealing cars all I'm saying is the producers should make preview clips. Anyways I didn't know my point about the car lot would be concidered a metaphor. No just simple logic.)

 

[Kalamos]

(I don't know what my post had to do with stealing cars all I'm saying is the producers should make preview clips. Anyways I didn't know my point about the car lot would be concidered a metaphor. No just simple logic.)

Well... a metaphore isn't something bad. 🙂

The producers' point is quite clear - even if questionable from the customers' point of view: since their product is relatively cheap, giving away free samples would ultimately be a loss.
I don't know if this is true. I can't see their bank account. 😀

Sometimes producers' fears turn out the be without basis. It's quite human to fear what we don't know - and since they can't foresee future, if they think they are spending too much on free samples, they will quit giving them out.

Calling them names or starting flames is pointless, since we all want good and/or free stuff.

Maybe the reasoning would have worked with demos: software producers DO give out free trial versions, and costs are comparable - but comparing cars to vids won't make them change their mind, quite the opposite.

This said, I do not know any of the producers, I don't get a share nor any kind of tip. I just like to talk over things. 🙂

Producers can keep saying it costs too much to offer free samples and disgruntled users can keep saying they need freebies.

Then we can stop, and think it over, and see if prods can make lower quality free clips and if customers could find some way to pay for them without giving out their credit card number.

I remember when banner used to pay for some of the bandwidth: isn't it viable anymore?


My longwinded 2 eurocents!

Reg's and best wishes.

 

[nontkl]

Last from me: dskodj, email me at [email protected]....I collect everything from the 20's up to and including late 70's/early 80's underground club music and everything in between.

Secondly, I KNOW not everyone under 21 is whiny....there's alot of cool younger people on this board (and by the way, I'm older than that, but not that much older....). I didn't mean to offend any of the many cool folk on this board who are 19 (or 70 for that matter)....I was just referring to the immature contingent....I love that this board has people who are 19, 23, 42...the whole gamut, my aim was not to inhibit. By the way, since we're on the subject and I'm sure many will agree, a quick word of advice, you "young people", get your tickling in now because once you get a little older and in the workplace, it's a lot trickier to pull off than in college and high school and first jobs.

Again, there's so many cool people on this board, of all ages, one of my best friends is only 20 years old (I work in a nightclub), I don't discriminate or make any sweeping generalizations.

But suprisingly, not one "complainer" chimed in with an "I'm-over-21" post...I knew I was right!

 

[gekoman]

Last from me: dskodj, email me at [email protected]....I collect everything from the 20's up to and including late 70's/early 80's underground club music and everything in between.

Secondly, I KNOW not everyone under 21 is whiny....there's alot of cool younger people on this board (and by the way, I'm older than that, but not that much older....). I didn't mean to offend any of the many cool folk on this board who are 19 (or 70 for that matter)....I was just referring to the immature contingent....I love that this board has people who are 19, 23, 42...the whole gamut, my aim was not to inhibit. By the way, since we're on the subject and I'm sure many will agree, a quick word of advice, you "young people", get your tickling in now because once you get a little older and in the workplace, it's a lot trickier to pull off than in college and high school and first jobs.

Again, there's so many cool people on this board, of all ages, one of my best friends is only 20 years old (I work in a nightclub), I don't discriminate or make any sweeping generalizations.

But suprisingly, not one "complainer" chimed in with an "I'm-over-21" post...I knew I was right!

(Not everyone that has a point is whiny, I don't see producers points though, what I see is certain people making excuses for them. If a producer says that it would be too costly for them to make preview clips, than I can except that. I won't except it from anyone else. Let producers speak for themselves.)

 

[Kalamos]

(If a producer says that it would be too costly for them to make preview clips, than I can except that. I won't except it from anyone else. Let producers speak for themselves.)

Well, on another thread some of them said that. I think it was TIB [not sure, though]: he said making demo clips and hosting them is time consuming and costly.

I don't know if this is true, and if this applies to all producers.
Feetonline keeps producing free demo clips and paid online clips, and nobody ever mentioned them.

I don't really know if they are going bankrupt or they have money to throw away. But if they manage to, maybe they have found a viable solution. 🙂

Again, maybe they cover their costs with other products; a couple of years ago banners could cover part of those costs.

While this might be a tough moment for economy, I hope it will not last forever. In the meanwhile, we could look for new ways to make vids business run as smoothly as possible: after all producers will keep making demo clips only as long as they find it profitable over paid-only vids.

If banners are needed to pay for the bandwidth, I'm ok with them. Hosting demo clips on groups might help to lick the costs a bit.

Business can't be that bad, can it? 🙂


Reg's.

 

[dskodj]

Oh just thought it would be humourous to mention..I emailed this guy about the free DVD or CDR he was talkin bout..heard nothing back😛

The things some will do to stir up some shit..ehh shut up a u face 😀