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Tickle Torture in SE Asia

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I have mixed feelings about this submission. Looks too much like an exploit of the local situation to me. It's not correct in my ethics.
 
witproduct said:
I have mixed feelings about this submission. Looks too much like an exploit of the local situation to me. It's not correct in my ethics.

Been there, talked about this...extensively.

Exploiting the local situation?? There is nothing even questionable about this particular clip!! What makes you say that? The ethnicity of the individuals involved?? Nonsense.
 
Well, it's like walking on hot coals, that's what I mean. Making a clip in a part of the world a major part of the women earn their living as a prostitute just because of poverty, is a great example of that. As a concerned person I would never follow the "I don't care, as long as it gets me off" ethics. Everything that holds a risk is avoided by me. I prefer the tickling of more socially fortunate Asian women, or at least those living in such a nation where they are given these chances at the least.

Apathy of horny savages is what disgusts me, and I'm free to have my opinion about this clip. I would never buy it, I neither would mourn of they'd be shut down.

Rest assured that I won't start a whole argument like done before, don't worry. The last thing I want is that the atmosphere would be brought down to a new zero point (like in previous of my postings on these forums). I just want to say my opinion and not much can change it, as the positive can't be proven neither as the negative.
 
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witproduct said:
Apathy of horny savages is what disgusts me, and I'm free to have my opinion about this clip. I would never buy it, I neither would mourn of they'd be shut down.
Rest assured that I won't start a whole argument like done before, don't worry. The last thing I want is that the atmosphere would be brought down to a new zero point (like in previous of my postings on these forums). I just want to say my opinion and not much can change it, as the positive can't be proven neither as the negative.

Your holier than thou persona and attitude amuse me not.

People do not have the right to make these kind of assumptions. Its one thing to say that you feel the women are being mistreated, as WendyPeter have been and are still saying, and there is proof on the clip(I haven't seen it), but your whole moral point is that these clips are wrong because of the part of the world they are filmed in? Do you know these women are prostitutes? No. This whole thing could be a sham and he could be false advertising and making the clips in his stinking bedroom. People make far, far too many assumptions about too many things. You are making assumptions about me and other TT users right now. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't make posts accusing producers of doing anything immoral or without proof.
 
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i don't think witproduct was "accusing". he said "i have mixed feelings".

and he's right to have them. i havn't looked at the clip, but i know that some of the folks on this site couldn't care more about the experiences of the people involved as long as it gets them off. didn't a video producer a while ago hire an escort, tie her up, and proceed to tickle her and film her without her consent? and as far as i know these disgusting people are still in business.

so you can't ignore the circumstances surrounding a clip and the people involved with it. people are right to raise doubts, and i think jumping on them and telling them to shut up is a bad idea for the whole community.
 
Exactly, and to make things clear, with horny savages I was aiming at a general perspective. Wether the content of a clip is consentual or not, no one should think "I don't care for the critics, it's HOT anyway".

I'm not trying to make bad influences in one's productions, I do remain honest about what I think though. I think the majority of this community has reached a maturity level high enough to think for their own selves. Yes, I have mixed feelings because of the part of the world it is filmed in, also because it was/or still is top secret which SE Asian country and also the way some of the first submissions appeared to me. That's a right thing to do, and I hope you'll have the courage to bring up better nuances than mere speculations and attack me personally.

I have no need for a row to be honest. I have been through that several times and it didn't make one party better. One thing: you cannot accuse me of racism, as I'm protecting the exploited. You cannot wear a blindfold because of some geographical facts, criticism always is bigger for certain cases there where it's common.

Like I mentioned before, filming in SE Asia (prostitution for survival in overflow) beholds risks as doubtlesly certain parties will have mixed feelings about it. One producer who's responsible for this genre must be aware of that and be able to arm himself against it if his/her ways are legal. You cannot proof it's illegal, neither can you proof it's legal. That's a fact. It's very doubtful one side will have it on the rightious end.


and i think jumping on them and telling them to shut up is a bad idea for the whole community.

To say it in general, it's a sign of weakness. Nothing personal with that, as I don't feel too heavily assaulted yet and I do take emotional circumstances into account.
 
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oceanhead said:
didn't a video producer a while ago hire an escort, tie her up, and proceed to tickle her and film her without her consent?

whaat? i hadn't heard about that. it intrigues me to know more, if anyone has any info please let me know 🙂
 
oceanhead said:
i don't think witproduct was "accusing". he said "i have mixed feelings".

and he's right to have them. i havn't looked at the clip, but i know that some of the folks on this site couldn't care more about the experiences of the people involved as long as it gets them off. didn't a video producer a while ago hire an escort, tie her up, and proceed to tickle her and film her without her consent? and as far as i know these disgusting people are still in business.

so you can't ignore the circumstances surrounding a clip and the people involved with it. people are right to raise doubts, and i think jumping on them and telling them to shut up is a bad idea for the whole community.

The incident you are referring to was fake, I believe...and I do not recall telling anyone to "shut up," as you so bluntly put it. I am entitled to my opinion just as you two are entitled to yours. There are no personal attacks going on here...other than maybe those towards the producer of the clip...the insinuations that are being made could be considered attacks...


Duane2K said:
whaat? i hadn't heard about that. it intrigues me to know more, if anyone has any info please let me know

Hahaha, the irony. Uhhh...I think he is referring to the NonConsentual Clip by Paradise Vision. There is much speculation going around as to whether or not this was fake , but you can find the clips on this forum. I haven't seen the clips myself...maybe you could tell me what you think about the legitimacy of them??
 
I always find it baffling why producers catch all the hell. They are merely giving an audience what they want. It is not like they are killing dozens of people for no apparent reason like we have in Iraq (ironically being done by a 'moral') person.

Bottom line, you watched the video. And it is stated right above it that the tape was made in Asia, so why do you now decide that it is immoral to watch it? Doesnt that seem a bit backwards to anyone else?

Just my thoughts.
 
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DaMan1048 said:
This whole thing could be a sham and he could be false advertising and making the clips in his stinking bedroom. People make far, far too many assumptions about too many things.
That is pretty much what I had been thinking all along.

oceanhead said:
didn't a video producer a while ago hire an escort, tie her up, and proceed to tickle her and film her without her consent? and as far as i know these disgusting people are still in business.
I agree that the story is disturbing. I discusssed the producer's claims about the clip with friends who have worked in the escort business, and we all agreed that it was too improbable to be true.

A friendly reminder to everyone: let's keep this discussion civil -- thanks.
 
awwww maaaaan... we had just started to finish this so called "argument" up on the TMF now its here too?
yuk!
 
Then you should read better, I agree most of the opinions have been told. I'm not going to repeat everything and I'm not planning in filling this topic more than needed. But no way one should tell one other to shut up. Forums are made for sharing opinions anyway. Try to react a little more nuanced and less childish, will you? :s
 
witproduct said:
Then you should read better, I agree most of the opinions have been told. I'm not going to repeat everything and I'm not planning in filling this topic more than needed. But no way one should tell one other to shut up. Forums are made for sharing opinions anyway. Try to react a little more nuanced and less childish, will you? :s

Exactly who is acting childish? I am quite confused. I see no evidence of "childish" behavior on this thread...unless you count disagreeing with your opinion as being childish???...and thats just absurd.

And you keep bringing up this point about not telling others to "shut up." Exactly who is doing that? No one has told anyone else that it's not ok to state an opinion. Only thing I might have said was that this topic has been talked...and talked...and talked about before.

The posts have been very civilized...unless you are assuming there is some kind of malicious undertone to individual's posts on this thread that is invisible to the untrained eye.

And read what better? What are you talking about?? Read what??

Assumptions about individuals in a clip because of where it was filmed are very fallible ones...even as far as assumptions are concerned. And you are right, there is no evidence what he is doing is legal...or that its illegal. I can assume from your assumption that it is illegal and an exploit of a local situation that you just like to...assume the worst. 🙄

PS: No problem keeping things civil here Mistress Valerie. Civility is my middle name. :nerd:

This has moved on from a discussion about the treatment of women in a TK video (I avoided that post for the most part...as it gradually moved to a discussion about S&M rules and etiquette, which I know nothing about) to a discussion about why filming movies in this part of the world is immoral. Its not...unless you know something nobody else does. Please, do share.
 
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damn i wasted my 100th post on this?

are you talking to me "witproduct"?
No i know he isnt talking to me.

but just in case he is: i dont remember anyone on here telling you to "shut up"
second, i think forums ARE the correct place to express yourself...about the topic of that FORUM. and the topic of this forum is "tickling" not investigating or critiquing or debating. This kind of discussion well, it slows down the forum as well as destroying the mood and spirit of the forums.
as i suggested to wendynpeter, if you dont like the content take it up with the mods or ignore it (trust me in the video making business they WILL AND DO go away). At least talk about it in the general tickling forum not the clips forum.
otherwise lets not go there anymore!

nuff said
 
awwww maaaaan... we had just started to finish this so called "argument" up on the TMF now its here too?
yuk!

To this I was responding. I only mentioned I found that sentence childishly composed and as well as unrespectful, not the person behind it. But I agree with the thing he's saying with this.

Exactly who is acting childish? I am quite confused. I see no evidence of "childish" behavior on this thread...unless you count disagreeing with your opinion as being childish???...and thats just absurd

Well, I kindly advice you to learn to understand the meaning of sentences. I'm not planning in spamming this thread full of repeatedly the same arguments and I especially have no plans to take part in the "choose your side and defend it at all cost" ethics.


Most of my opinions are known and I know it will turn out as none of the parties having changed their opinion. Besides, our perspectives differ and the reason we disagree can be found there. I am a person who likes to keep risks as low as possible and you are a person who wants hard proofs until you're convinced. But sides are okay, but deemed to disagree with each other to eternity.

One thing I like to mention: I have told my opinion and I remain having those mixed feelings. Yet I'm not about to set up a boycot campaign against this producer, in fact the next thread containing a preview he'll set up will be ignored in peace by me. But by then you already know I have these mixed feelings.

At least talk about it in the general tickling forum not the clips forum.
otherwise lets not go there anymore!

Now you are talking and proofing where I was the one acting wrong. I totally agree with that and urgency has caused me to not take it into account.
 
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witproduct said:
To this I was responding. I only mentioned I found that sentence childishly composed and as well as unrespectful, not the person behind it.



Well, I kindly advice you to learn to understand the meaning of sentences. I'm not planning in spamming this thread full of repeatedly the same arguments and I especially have no plans to take part in the "choose your side and defend it at all cost".

ohh ok so i am childish for expressing my unholy frustration in this, frankly, tired discussion that just WONT DIE. I will not,though, accept that i was "DIS"respectful to YOU or anyone else for that manner. I am entitled to express my dissatisfaction for beating a dead horse am I not, witproduct?"
also, i thought this was an informal forum, i didnt expect to be graded on my,oh what did you say, "childish" sentence compositions today. Since it is english class today, im pretty sure that if you look in an english dictionary "unrespectful" will not be found.


Finally,Your argument is NOT original but it has been noted. I urge you to take up your grievances with the forum moderators instead of the participants on the forum.


OH MY GOD!
I cannot belive that i am arguing over the internet with someone whom i've never met about something that has been discussed extensively over the past 2 months.


all of this is just serving to make "MYTICKLINGSTUDIOS" more profitable in the long run anyway. since, i will not see any of that money.

I GIVE UP!!!!! (or am I being "childish")
LOL
 
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No, I said your sentence was childishly composed which it was. You even assumed stuff in it I denied. Anyway, I have no need for a teacher English and I bet you have understood me well enough.

Englisch-Deutsch Übersetzungen für das Wort "unrespectful":

respektlos
(Germans are sneaky fellows)


You just need to settle down and slowly breath in and out, that usually does wonders to most people.

I'm glad I can make myself clear in several languages even. No way is English worth more than any other language except for its global position (to give you some shallow history lesson, it was very close or the US were Dutch of origin, thank Britain for that). Allow me to state it more shortly: Jerry Springer is dead, even never was good.


Finally,Your argument is NOT original but it has been noted. I urge you to take up your grievances with the forum moderators instead of the participants on the forum.

You mean: discuss it in the general tickling forum and leave the moderators in their neutral status. :wooha: To say I only said I have mixed feelings about a submission (i.e. if people would disagree in it the proper civilized way; this thread would be less polluted). In my culture both negative as positive opinions are broadly allowed everywhere, disagreements mostly become clean discussions without personal assaults and childish sarcasm. I'm quite sure it also is like that across the Atlantean Ocean.
 
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witproduct said:
You mean: discuss it in the general tickling forum and leave the moderators in their neutral status. :wooha: To say I only said I have mixed feelings about a submission (i.e. if people would disagree in it the proper civilized way; this thread would be less polluted). In my culture both negative as positive opinions are broadly allowed everywhere, disagreements mostly become clean discussions without personal assaults and childish sarcasm. I'm quite sure it also is like that across the Atlantean Ocean.

Hahaha...childish sarcasm. Are you saying that all sarcasm is childish?...cause I happen to find it quite hilarous. It aids me in getting more subtle "nuances" across...

And I still don't get where you are coming from with some of your statements. You haven't been attacked personally in anyway(that I've noticed..maybe you can pick up on things I can't...), and yet you keep making these broad statements in your post about arguing civililly...maybe we have different ideas of civil, who knows? You, if no one else, are the one who is detracting from the original discussion, and you are the one who started it.

And I understand Sexipapa's point...I also assume (there I go assuming things again) that anyone who had "mixed feelings" about this guy's content would have chimed in on the other thread with the other 100 people...but sexipapa, complaining that people are still talking about it is just as redundent as actually talking about it. You came to the post, probably to DL the clip, because you like the content, and happened to scroll down and see another discussion had started.

No one forced you to do that...just like no one forced you to read our jargon. You got yourself involved in the situation...you can't just blame others for starting the discussion and tell them to let it go and stop talking about it. It wasn't your discussion in the first place. Just ignore it, as you know its not gonna go away aaaaannnnnyyyyytime soon. This is a hot topic, and people are probably just go on expressing thier dissatisfaction about the local situation in SE Asia everytime MTS posts a clip with Oriential models/(And as far as I can tell, thats all he uses) I can relate, Eastern is my taste too. I'm actually visiting Thailand this May I believe...maybe I can make a video and post it for you guys. 😀

Sorry you speak so many languges witproduct, you must get them confused a lot. :nerd:

The word unrespectful translates over as disrespectful. I am actually taking Japanese right now, and much of thier language is very difficult to translate over into perfect English. I actually have a lot of respect for individuals who know even more than one language, cause it is one hell of a task. More power to you.

PS: The name witproduct denotes that you are a product of wit...and wit denotes that you are very intelligent...and all the witty and intelligent people I know appreciate the humor in sarcasm...even if it is directed at them. :cyclopes:
 
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My friend, it's pretty clear there isn't any way of proper discussion with neither you nor sexypapi. It's not about using a jargon, it's about some serious reading comprehension papi and you lack.
I can appreciate sarcasm in fact I find it kind of amusing how you both make a fool out of yourselves. Yet I'm not feeding pearls to pigs any further as I have no time for your nonsense, nor that of sexypapi. If you don't get the childishness of your own, you must be a dumb individual indeed.


Only one detail:

Your holier than thou persona and attitude amuse me not.

People do not have the right to make these kind of assumptions.

I am entitled to my opinion just as you two are entitled to yours. There are no personal attacks going on here...other than maybe those towards the producer of the clip...the insinuations that are being made could be considered attacks...

Funny as it'll be all clear in my bold fonts underneath. You totally misread stuff of people you discuss with and that proofs for me there's no discussion possible with your likes. Same as with sexipapi elsewhere.


My opinion remains as it always was, a producer who decides to shoot clips in SE Asia is walking on hot coals as in he is most likely to cause controversity. Especially if the debute of his previews consists of relentless tickling over the limit without safewords whatsoever. I'm not saying this company should be boycotted, I say I could care less if it happens. Being absolutely averted by the content, because of personal knowledge of people going to Thailand for sex and my disgust for them, I do see shallow simularities from the outside with the previews of this company. It makes me never want to buy them and I find it must be known if one doesn't like some content. I also mentioned that the ethics of "I don't care as long as it turn me on" has my total disgust. They and only they are the horny savages and none others.

Anyhow, I cannot see the humour in typing in caps which has to simulate a hysterical way of panicking and playing of the drama queen. Going into a discussion is hitting the subject not the person behind it, and especially not with making dumb speculations which are proven/stated before. However, never have I said one should shut up and let it go, but in no way do I agree with papi that I have to whine to the mods. He asked for moving this discussion to another thread and I agreed with him. Even though I'm not the person to start this talk as I know it has no purpose than an endless waste of time. I find his reaction quite disrespectfull indeed on post #20. If you don't see that you are a moron.

P.S.: I used unrespectful instinctively and I know disrespectful is the correct form. The person to say English is hard to learn for a native speaker of a Western Germanic language has no linguar knowledge (not saying you are included). Dutch, Afrikaans and English are three of the easiest Indo-European languages in fact.
P.S.2: The name witproduct means "white product" in Dutch, it's a brand of general food/miscellaneous stuff in Flanders. That's a detail, but the wit+product pun is certainly appreciated over here.
P.S.3: For hilarity's sake: it's not civililly, it's civilly. 😀 :cyclopes:
 
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Personally, I remain highly skeptical that the videos were actually filmed in Asia and that no safewords were used, but it makes for a good story. The claims are controversial enough to ensure that these threads will remain active and visible far longer than most other clip threads -- clever marketing indeed!

Nothing will be served by further debate except to artifically keep this thread on top. If it becomes too distracting, we will have to close it.
 
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