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Tickling & Bondage - Doing it properly
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The more I read about you people, and your gains attending these events, the seriously more interested I am in learning about this subject. Unfortunately, as much as I love the TMF. Reading about this online isn't the answer I need... Despite the fact that I thought it would be.
Like you Del, I wish to learn the basics, but not just the basics. But the true basics. The real understand of physiscal binding, and the psycological. With my lover, me and her share an untapped source of emotional influence that I know will last years and years in my heart. I wish to nurture this relationship, and do my best to work at it within my means. For that I need knowledge. And for that, I need to learn.
I live in Germany, and I kick myself for not knowing about this event in the UK sooner. It was on a weekend, and despite my work in the military, I could have made some sort of plans if I knew in advance. But perhaps it shouldn't take a full blown event to meet the people here I somehow feel I've known for so long, and yet, you've only just read my words.
My name is Ace for now... Send me a PM, perhaps I can finally step out of the releasing bondage that is the TMF, and step into the reality of it all. I would appreciate anybody's input on this. As you can see from the time I registered to the TMF, and my lack of posts...
I've been silent too long.
---Ace
The more I read about you people, and your gains attending these events, the seriously more interested I am in learning about this subject. Unfortunately, as much as I love the TMF. Reading about this online isn't the answer I need... Despite the fact that I thought it would be.
Like you Del, I wish to learn the basics, but not just the basics. But the true basics. The real understand of physiscal binding, and the psycological. With my lover, me and her share an untapped source of emotional influence that I know will last years and years in my heart. I wish to nurture this relationship, and do my best to work at it within my means. For that I need knowledge. And for that, I need to learn.
I live in Germany, and I kick myself for not knowing about this event in the UK sooner. It was on a weekend, and despite my work in the military, I could have made some sort of plans if I knew in advance. But perhaps it shouldn't take a full blown event to meet the people here I somehow feel I've known for so long, and yet, you've only just read my words.
My name is Ace for now... Send me a PM, perhaps I can finally step out of the releasing bondage that is the TMF, and step into the reality of it all. I would appreciate anybody's input on this. As you can see from the time I registered to the TMF, and my lack of posts...
I've been silent too long.
---Ace
^.^
Well, I guess I'm in luck, since I'm an American Military soldier. ^^ As American as Puerto Rican's can be anyways. 😀
You guys looked like you had a blast at that Gathering, it's a pity Im either going back to the US in June, or getting held over, and being sent back to Iraq in the fall. Looks like I missed my Golden opportunity to meet with you guys during my wonderful stay in Europe.
Although I spent most of it in Iraq, I was ablt to enjoy the last few months here in Germany. I wish I knew there was such a scene in the UK as to warrant it's own board. 🙂 You don't see a ticklingforum.de now do you? 🙂 I think not.
Still, doesn't mean I can try hanging in the UKTF and getting to know you all. Perhaps you'll see me as merely Ace. ^.~ Or something more refined. (2001 wasn't a very creative year for me. lol)
P3ace. ^^
---Ace
Well, I guess I'm in luck, since I'm an American Military soldier. ^^ As American as Puerto Rican's can be anyways. 😀
You guys looked like you had a blast at that Gathering, it's a pity Im either going back to the US in June, or getting held over, and being sent back to Iraq in the fall. Looks like I missed my Golden opportunity to meet with you guys during my wonderful stay in Europe.
Although I spent most of it in Iraq, I was ablt to enjoy the last few months here in Germany. I wish I knew there was such a scene in the UK as to warrant it's own board. 🙂 You don't see a ticklingforum.de now do you? 🙂 I think not.
Still, doesn't mean I can try hanging in the UKTF and getting to know you all. Perhaps you'll see me as merely Ace. ^.~ Or something more refined. (2001 wasn't a very creative year for me. lol)
P3ace. ^^
---Ace
Physical & Psycholigical Bondage
Physical & Psychological Bondage goes beyond the fun experiences and pleasures and is a very deep and serious subject. The Dark Lord (Jonmath) is a man with depth, intelligence, intense life experience and style. He has a good knowledge of philosophy which is a favourite subject of mine.
He is busy with a few issues at the moment. Soon I will be able to help him set up and promote the seminar which will be more than a few people getting together to tickle each other. This seminar is going to enhance the quality of life for many people. This seminar will me a Spiritual, Mental and Physical experience. This seminar will help men and women to discover their true nature and purpose. This seminar will explore the real meaning of cultures.
This seminar will be the first of it's kind.
Brace yourselves.
Ace Riley said:
Physical & Psychological Bondage goes beyond the fun experiences and pleasures and is a very deep and serious subject. The Dark Lord (Jonmath) is a man with depth, intelligence, intense life experience and style. He has a good knowledge of philosophy which is a favourite subject of mine.
He is busy with a few issues at the moment. Soon I will be able to help him set up and promote the seminar which will be more than a few people getting together to tickle each other. This seminar is going to enhance the quality of life for many people. This seminar will me a Spiritual, Mental and Physical experience. This seminar will help men and women to discover their true nature and purpose. This seminar will explore the real meaning of cultures.
This seminar will be the first of it's kind.
Brace yourselves.
Re: ^.^
You never saw Hal's tickling board? There is a pretty substantial tickling community in Germany, not to mention a much more liberal adult sex industry that makes finding things like "dungeons" a lot easier.
There'll be other gathergins mate. Sometime one'll coincide with what you're able to do and you'll be there. 🙂
Ace Riley said:
You never saw Hal's tickling board? There is a pretty substantial tickling community in Germany, not to mention a much more liberal adult sex industry that makes finding things like "dungeons" a lot easier.
There'll be other gathergins mate. Sometime one'll coincide with what you're able to do and you'll be there. 🙂
Interesting... 🙂
BigJim ^^
I stumbled into it once, but it didn't seem like it was a community in Germany in specific. I guess I just didn't look hard enough. Alot of the posts are German as well, and I couldn't really understand em. ^^
By the way Del, I mentioned the 5 points you spoke of in bondage to my wife, and she found it very interesting. It's very easy to just look at tickling on a whole, but to truly understand the method behind the action, one needs a basis of measurement. And if there is any form of doing that, those 5 points seem to cover it to a degree. Very interesting theory.
I won't be able to make the seminar. Military lifestyle prevents me to. (Always moving, always ready...) Which is unfortunate, I wish you the best. Speak with some of the people on the board in a more outspoken advertisement when you have more details. I'm sure with a seminar, and with planned Demo's, and with active participation from perhaps some players within the fields of 'dungeons' and bondage, can be an educational and entertaining experience.
---Ace
BigJim ^^
I stumbled into it once, but it didn't seem like it was a community in Germany in specific. I guess I just didn't look hard enough. Alot of the posts are German as well, and I couldn't really understand em. ^^
By the way Del, I mentioned the 5 points you spoke of in bondage to my wife, and she found it very interesting. It's very easy to just look at tickling on a whole, but to truly understand the method behind the action, one needs a basis of measurement. And if there is any form of doing that, those 5 points seem to cover it to a degree. Very interesting theory.
I won't be able to make the seminar. Military lifestyle prevents me to. (Always moving, always ready...) Which is unfortunate, I wish you the best. Speak with some of the people on the board in a more outspoken advertisement when you have more details. I'm sure with a seminar, and with planned Demo's, and with active participation from perhaps some players within the fields of 'dungeons' and bondage, can be an educational and entertaining experience.
---Ace
Measurement
Soldier! You already have what you are seeking.
Any attempt to measure it is doomed to failure.
How can you measure the intensity of the love generated between two people who do not know if they will see each other again each time they part?
All that feeling going into your tickle sessions has got to be wonderful.
Continue trying to measure that which cannot be measured and enjoy your failures 🙂
Ace Riley said:
Soldier! You already have what you are seeking.
Any attempt to measure it is doomed to failure.
How can you measure the intensity of the love generated between two people who do not know if they will see each other again each time they part?
All that feeling going into your tickle sessions has got to be wonderful.
Continue trying to measure that which cannot be measured and enjoy your failures 🙂
^.^
I am trained to not succumb to failure Del. But you're right, I never thought of it that way. The conditioning of the mind, when you're away from your loved one for so long is, that everything will be normal when you return. Everything will be the same. This is why so much trouble happens between families of returning soldiers. Failure, isn't something I want to ever happen. But you're right, there is more wisdom in your words than I can amount to. And so I will only salute you, and say thanks.
Tickling is art. Art isn't perfect. It's a mindset. It's a release.
---Ace
I am trained to not succumb to failure Del. But you're right, I never thought of it that way. The conditioning of the mind, when you're away from your loved one for so long is, that everything will be normal when you return. Everything will be the same. This is why so much trouble happens between families of returning soldiers. Failure, isn't something I want to ever happen. But you're right, there is more wisdom in your words than I can amount to. And so I will only salute you, and say thanks.
Tickling is art. Art isn't perfect. It's a mindset. It's a release.
---Ace
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The right bondage and bondage done right makes all the difference in the world especially for tickling!
TTD
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Untidy Bondage
I hate it when I see women tied up badly and thrashing about. I always feel as if she might get injured
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Also unless the she is quite still between little bursts of tickle you cannot find the various sweet spots and add subtle flavour to her tickle experience
TickledToDeath said:
I hate it when I see women tied up badly and thrashing about. I always feel as if she might get injured
.Also unless the she is quite still between little bursts of tickle you cannot find the various sweet spots and add subtle flavour to her tickle experience
...hrm.
Honestly though, there are many styles to bondage in which we all dabble in Del. Depending on the intensity of the tickling itself.
I think a sense, or limitation to freedom should also be a big part of it. If you're assigning each of the parts of bondage and tickling to a given element, I would perhaps call this the "Spirit" of bondage.
I may be new to this, but having a slight sense of freedom in bondage, or on the flip side, absolute denial of it, can both be a very exciting experience on both parts. Once again, an example of the balance we all strive to perfect.
Slightly loose bondage to the arms for instance, while the legs are more fastened has proven to me to give the ticklee a feeling that perhaps if she truly tried, she could somehow stop the sensation, but realises with utter futility that it's not exactly possible. I still have the image imprinted in my mind on how despite herself, the wifey would constantly try to pull down her arms to little if any avail. To her own account, the energy used in the resistance, was almost half the rush.
However, in the case of her feet, it seems to be very different story. Almost delicious in how methodical you could work on a tightly bound ticklee. For her part, she said it was alot harder to simply let go (Being how tough she is...^.~), and get into it. It was more of a struggle, because it left absolutely no room for escape. You wittle away at the senses, until there is no room for resistance. The subtelty and difference between this illusion of escape, and the cold hard fact there is none, to me is a very big part of what one should keep in mind in this lifestyle.
Respect for the ticklee, how far one should go, and trying to strive for a higher mark. How much freedom is provided, should be provided, and when applicable, should be denied, is what I would consider the "Spirit" of bondage.
What is your input on this?
---Ace
Honestly though, there are many styles to bondage in which we all dabble in Del. Depending on the intensity of the tickling itself.
I think a sense, or limitation to freedom should also be a big part of it. If you're assigning each of the parts of bondage and tickling to a given element, I would perhaps call this the "Spirit" of bondage.
I may be new to this, but having a slight sense of freedom in bondage, or on the flip side, absolute denial of it, can both be a very exciting experience on both parts. Once again, an example of the balance we all strive to perfect.
Slightly loose bondage to the arms for instance, while the legs are more fastened has proven to me to give the ticklee a feeling that perhaps if she truly tried, she could somehow stop the sensation, but realises with utter futility that it's not exactly possible. I still have the image imprinted in my mind on how despite herself, the wifey would constantly try to pull down her arms to little if any avail. To her own account, the energy used in the resistance, was almost half the rush.
However, in the case of her feet, it seems to be very different story. Almost delicious in how methodical you could work on a tightly bound ticklee. For her part, she said it was alot harder to simply let go (Being how tough she is...^.~), and get into it. It was more of a struggle, because it left absolutely no room for escape. You wittle away at the senses, until there is no room for resistance. The subtelty and difference between this illusion of escape, and the cold hard fact there is none, to me is a very big part of what one should keep in mind in this lifestyle.
Respect for the ticklee, how far one should go, and trying to strive for a higher mark. How much freedom is provided, should be provided, and when applicable, should be denied, is what I would consider the "Spirit" of bondage.
What is your input on this?
---Ace
the "Spirit" of bondage
I like your concept of "The Spirit of bondage". It can go very deep. It can apply to many aspects of life. It can apply to the human condition.
Let me take this discussion up a level, let me increase the intensity. Let me move into the irrational
and see who can follow.
Woman is a symbol of a group of people, Church, organisation, vessel that carries people etc. Man is a symbol of a message, thought, philosophy, idea etc.
A womans surrender to a man is her great limitation but also the only way for her to realise her true potential that transcends limitations
Ace Riley said:
I like your concept of "The Spirit of bondage". It can go very deep. It can apply to many aspects of life. It can apply to the human condition.
Let me take this discussion up a level, let me increase the intensity. Let me move into the irrational
and see who can follow.Woman is a symbol of a group of people, Church, organisation, vessel that carries people etc. Man is a symbol of a message, thought, philosophy, idea etc.
A womans surrender to a man is her great limitation but also the only way for her to realise her true potential that transcends limitations
...heh...
Perhaps I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by this, but I do have to add something to this statement.
It is in my experience, that the desire to succumb to, and/or dominate over, a situation, fear, object or person has little to do with the sex of the individual.
It can be true as well for men, who undergo bondage to also be effect of this element of 'spirit'. Human beings in general, are cursed with a pride that goes deep into our psycology. We are victims of vanity. Targets to humiliation. Bondage in itself may be liberating, but it is only liberating due to the chains of self-limitation.
If we were truly free on a daily basis. When we go to work. When we study at school. When we go grocery shopping. Why do people seek out a funnel for release, in some way, shape or form.
We are trapped within a social, and cultural bondage. We all know this. But what we satisfy here, is more of a personal leash. One that not everyone shares, or even knows about. To many people, standing before their lover nude, is itself, a freedom. Some however can't tolerate it. They accept it during the act of making love, but some never get over the entire experience. If you've ever made love in front of a mirror, or had someone slowly undress before a mirror, you will see many reflections other than the ones displayed on the glass...
So even clothes can be sonsidered bondage...one we accept gladly. But why do some of us seek further to bind ourselves? Is it truly a masochistic idea? Are we truly trying to influence ourselves negatively? I fought with myself over this one sometime ago. But I realise it's entirely different in itself, than mere masochism.
There is a point in bondage, where at some point, you give up trying to create a futile destiny. Where you're always making something occur, being the cause of an event, rather than it's effect. The thought of losing control over our limbs is intself a deep rooted fear in our very genetics...and yet, there is a subtle point during the entire process of bondage, especially in relation to tickling, where ones conflict becomes one release.
You stop trying to work. You stop trying to think about the next step. About what direction you're going to go, or how you're going to do it. If in the hands of a good tickler, it's even possible to stop caring about where he/she is going to tickle next, or how intense it will be. At some point you sort of become something else, no longer bound to the limitations of concious thought. A receptacle of sensations. Wether that of pain or pleasure...
This is a frightening idea for some. Almost as frightening as jumping off a plane. Despite the parachute, is there ever this reassurance that everything will be ok? There is always this tinge of fear when you break away from the safety of our own decisions, and put ourselves in the hands of another.
...my wife taught me this.
It's all an adventure. It may be made of the finest cloth or leather. Be as loose or tight as one desires. It can be in so many forms. But perhaps the strongest bondage is that of our minds. When to let go, and when to hold on for dear life. When it comes to the love of my life, I realised that I was sometimes, going to have to trust her with everything in my heart. To let myself go to her without limitation. In, and outside the bedroom. Perhaps the best bondage I have ever been in has been her arms. Where I can stop being the hardcore soldier, and let myself go.
Good luck finding your place in nirvana. 🙂 I found mine.
---Ace
(Signing off for 30 days. Field Duty in Germany. Out. ^^)
Perhaps I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by this, but I do have to add something to this statement.
It is in my experience, that the desire to succumb to, and/or dominate over, a situation, fear, object or person has little to do with the sex of the individual.
It can be true as well for men, who undergo bondage to also be effect of this element of 'spirit'. Human beings in general, are cursed with a pride that goes deep into our psycology. We are victims of vanity. Targets to humiliation. Bondage in itself may be liberating, but it is only liberating due to the chains of self-limitation.
If we were truly free on a daily basis. When we go to work. When we study at school. When we go grocery shopping. Why do people seek out a funnel for release, in some way, shape or form.
We are trapped within a social, and cultural bondage. We all know this. But what we satisfy here, is more of a personal leash. One that not everyone shares, or even knows about. To many people, standing before their lover nude, is itself, a freedom. Some however can't tolerate it. They accept it during the act of making love, but some never get over the entire experience. If you've ever made love in front of a mirror, or had someone slowly undress before a mirror, you will see many reflections other than the ones displayed on the glass...
So even clothes can be sonsidered bondage...one we accept gladly. But why do some of us seek further to bind ourselves? Is it truly a masochistic idea? Are we truly trying to influence ourselves negatively? I fought with myself over this one sometime ago. But I realise it's entirely different in itself, than mere masochism.
There is a point in bondage, where at some point, you give up trying to create a futile destiny. Where you're always making something occur, being the cause of an event, rather than it's effect. The thought of losing control over our limbs is intself a deep rooted fear in our very genetics...and yet, there is a subtle point during the entire process of bondage, especially in relation to tickling, where ones conflict becomes one release.
You stop trying to work. You stop trying to think about the next step. About what direction you're going to go, or how you're going to do it. If in the hands of a good tickler, it's even possible to stop caring about where he/she is going to tickle next, or how intense it will be. At some point you sort of become something else, no longer bound to the limitations of concious thought. A receptacle of sensations. Wether that of pain or pleasure...
This is a frightening idea for some. Almost as frightening as jumping off a plane. Despite the parachute, is there ever this reassurance that everything will be ok? There is always this tinge of fear when you break away from the safety of our own decisions, and put ourselves in the hands of another.
...my wife taught me this.
It's all an adventure. It may be made of the finest cloth or leather. Be as loose or tight as one desires. It can be in so many forms. But perhaps the strongest bondage is that of our minds. When to let go, and when to hold on for dear life. When it comes to the love of my life, I realised that I was sometimes, going to have to trust her with everything in my heart. To let myself go to her without limitation. In, and outside the bedroom. Perhaps the best bondage I have ever been in has been her arms. Where I can stop being the hardcore soldier, and let myself go.
Good luck finding your place in nirvana. 🙂 I found mine.
---Ace
(Signing off for 30 days. Field Duty in Germany. Out. ^^)
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AS a Lee who is extremely ticklish and who has had a love/passion for tickling,being tickled since childhood ,I must say that TMF has broadened,expanded my mind seeing that I have so much yet to experience.
Until recently at the Hyenas NYE gathering,I had heard others discussing bondage but really had no idea of what bondage consisted of,how I would react to it and I am happy to say that I found it thrilling,exhilarating to watch others being in bondage. I was highly intriqued,and found that experiencing it myself had me frantically nervous yet it was too tempting to stay away..so I volunteered to be in light bondage for first time in my life and it was a unforgettable experience !🙂 Now I never knew what I was missing
I surprised myself at being even more ticklish than I had originally thought!. It was a exciting moment later that evening too when I placed myself in a set of stocks and didn;t know that I was smirking slyly until the first Ler started walking towards me LOL..and the gleam in his eye seeing my tiny helpless bare soles and toes was priceless! I couldn;t see the Ler;s hands or fingers on the other side and I was in panic squirming frantically,laughing even before I was touched hahahhha OMG I love verbal teasing !
Until recently at the Hyenas NYE gathering,I had heard others discussing bondage but really had no idea of what bondage consisted of,how I would react to it and I am happy to say that I found it thrilling,exhilarating to watch others being in bondage. I was highly intriqued,and found that experiencing it myself had me frantically nervous yet it was too tempting to stay away..so I volunteered to be in light bondage for first time in my life and it was a unforgettable experience !🙂 Now I never knew what I was missing
I surprised myself at being even more ticklish than I had originally thought!. It was a exciting moment later that evening too when I placed myself in a set of stocks and didn;t know that I was smirking slyly until the first Ler started walking towards me LOL..and the gleam in his eye seeing my tiny helpless bare soles and toes was priceless! I couldn;t see the Ler;s hands or fingers on the other side and I was in panic squirming frantically,laughing even before I was touched hahahhha OMG I love verbal teasing ! Philosophy
EXCELLENT!
Those are some great thoughts Ace.
Now let's push ahead.
You used the word "little". Does that mean you believe the sex of the individual can have something to do with it?
. . . . . . . . To let myself go to her without limitation. In, and outside the bedroom. Perhaps the best bondage I have ever been in has been her arms. Where I can stop being the hardcore soldier, and let myself go.
---Ace
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LETTING GO
Should a man ever let go completely?
EXCELLENT!
Those are some great thoughts Ace.
Now let's push ahead.
Ace Riley said:
You used the word "little". Does that mean you believe the sex of the individual can have something to do with it?
. . . . . . . . To let myself go to her without limitation. In, and outside the bedroom. Perhaps the best bondage I have ever been in has been her arms. Where I can stop being the hardcore soldier, and let myself go.
---Ace
[/QUOTE]
LETTING GO
Should a man ever let go completely?
PRICELESS
I like your attitude
It certainly is priceless 🙂
I hope you are getting all the attention you deserve
tickleshotel said:LOL..and the gleam in his eye seeing my tiny helpless bare soles and toes was priceless! I couldn;t see the Ler;s hands or fingers on the other side and I was in panic squirming frantically,laughing even before I was touched hahahhha OMG I love verbal teasing !
I like your attitude
It certainly is priceless 🙂
I hope you are getting all the attention you deserve
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del,thank you for your kind words😀 I don;t believe we have chatted,met before so it is a pleasure to meet you😉
I certainly am getting the attention I crave from Ler;s and I can;t wait to be tickled again
BY the way, I am planning to attend this years Nest so I am looking forward to meeting everyone at Nest ,and having the experience of a lifetime being a part of a gathering where I can mingle,chat,meet others that share my love/passion for tickling😀
I certainly am getting the attention I crave from Ler;s and I can;t wait to be tickled again
BY the way, I am planning to attend this years Nest so I am looking forward to meeting everyone at Nest ,and having the experience of a lifetime being a part of a gathering where I can mingle,chat,meet others that share my love/passion for tickling😀
INSATIABLE
Insatiable !
You are a living dream
and you didn't know it 🙂
In ancient times they would probably have dedicated a temple to you
tickleshotel said:del,thank you for your kind words😀 I don;t believe we have chatted,met before so it is a pleasure to meet you😉
I certainly am getting the attention I crave from Ler;s and I can;t wait to be tickled again
Insatiable !
You are a living dream
and you didn't know it 🙂 In ancient times they would probably have dedicated a temple to you
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del,giggling and blushing at your remarks😀
no bowing needed but your free to worship my feet 😉
Thanks for making my day!😀
no bowing needed but your free to worship my feet 😉
Thanks for making my day!😀
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Oh boy. Shall I recruit Del to Hotel?
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ticklingfeet4fu said:
Ticklingfeet4u ,I just started corresponding with del so we don;t know each other that well . But if del likes the idea,wants to tickle me hopefully in person someday, I always welcome more Lers😀
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Re: the "Spirit" of bondage
Very appropriate use of that emoticon. It sums up my feelings precisely.
del said:I like your concept of "The Spirit of bondage". It can go very deep. It can apply to many aspects of life. It can apply to the human condition.
Let me take this discussion up a level, let me increase the intensity. Let me move into the irrational
Woman is a symbol of a group of people, Church, organisation, vessel that carries people etc. Man is a symbol of a message, thought, philosophy, idea etc.
A womans surrender to a man is her great limitation but also the only way for her to realise her true potential that transcends limitations
Very appropriate use of that emoticon. It sums up my feelings precisely.
