TICKLING PARADISE IS *CRIMINAL* for assault--

[FrenzyTickles]

TICKLING PARADISE is criminal for *assault

Ok, I thought this should be posted separately from the thread I replied to, pardon the repetition if you saw it, but
there's just no ****ing excuse for such utter steaming crap----

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Oh, and one truly compassionate individual commented:

Wow...someone got on the bus a few years too late.
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after reading my initial rant (yes, I'm sure these videos have been for sale WAY too long and they've made WAY too much money from them already)

And that's great, you're taking me to task for being

---Ok, yes, *quite damn pissed with TicklingParadise.com ---

So this means you people have NO problem with *genuine, sadistic *assault?
----NO ONE has questioned this BEFORE???

If there's an excuse for this I'd *love to hear it.
So would any decent person, police officer or judge, for that matter...

I just hope they find it & descend upon every lowlife responsible,
----and every equally *pathetic, pea-brained, inadequate schmuck who buys it.

--- Some of you still think I'm advertising for these lousy rabid hyenas? That's one pitfall of a genuine rant. You must be equally sick. Go scratch.
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I haven't bought anything from Tickling "Paradise," and certainly won't after discovering these sadistic creeps --- MASSIVE understatement --- actually tortured a call girl who OF COURSE wouldn't want to go to the police about about the literal *assault she was forced to endure ---


They gleefully announce they went to great trouble to be sure she'd HATE IT,
and then doing it AGAIN, to another unsuspecting victim, like a cancer spreading ---

I don't care who runs it, the site is TRULY IMMORAL -- I don't care WHAT anyone does with CONSENTING, INFORMED adults ----- BUT these b*stards went WAYYYYYYYY beyond the limits of MINIMAL decency ---

and quite frankly these scumbags should be *JAILED FOR THE ASSAULT THEY'VE NOW PROFITED FROM (!!)
---- And any schmuck who bought this is not any better ---

---What the HELL is wrong with you people, this doesn't bother anyone else?
HELLLLLLOOOOOOOO-------

I'm really amazed others haven't commented upon this, to my knowledge--
*I'm a "pervert" myself, no question-----

BUT no way in HELL will I impose that upon another human being -----

 

[Redmage]

Um, my best suggestion is to calm down. There are a couple of important points to think about.

1) Tickling Paradise is no longer run by the same people who ran it when that video was made. So you're ranting at the wrong people.

2) You're getting yourself all worked up over something that may or may not be real. The whole purpose of an entertainment video is to give us an image real enough to suspend our disbelief. But that doesn't mean that it is real.

 

[FrenzyTickles]

Thanks RM

I appreciate your kind & rational reply
(I know I seem off the wall, which I'm actually not normally, but which I probably would be after witnessing an actual assault... this was close enough)

You may have a point w/re to the time frame -- but whoever's running it now has kept that up, whether or not they did it, and not only profited from that misery as well

but continued a really dangerous, inhumane "precedent"
(that would be -- assault)

---- I can't assume that's not real. They claim it is, and regardless, it shouldn't be there for all the above reasons---

At least you gave me the partial consolation that the lack of protest might at least in part be due to "disbelief."
But it's still REALLY disturbing that this stuff sells without comment.

 

[mart]

I doubt very much that any personal harm came to the girl. I think they were just takinhg advantage of the United States legal system, which outlaws prostitution and therefore gives women like that no recourse to law.
That is where the inhumanity lies - in a country where prostituion is not criminalised, the women have all the protection of the law that other citizens have, they pay their taxes and keep their books in order. They have to stay free of disease and so on.
Does it make the society in which they operate more immoral? I don't think so!!
Prostiution happens, and turning people who are by no means criminal by nature into criminals forced to live outside the law - now that is a morality that I would question!

 

[FrenzyTickles]

The inhumanity is quite clear.

You fault the U.S. government for allowing this girl to be tortured?

---They don't. That's ONE primary reason prostitution is illegal, the harm to women's (or young men's) bodies.

Our illustrious government didn't make sure she hated it & then torture her until -- as they advertise -- she's screaming & crying -- upset from the *beginning -- and then continue further ---- THAT'S MAJOR "personal harm"

I'm sure there are several valid pro & con arguments about the legality of Prostitution --- it's legal in Nevada & few other places, I believe, also --- and the benefits/medical care, etc., they may receive otherwise, seeming to contradict my opening statement, I'm not personally sure what's better for desperate people who are driven to sell their bodies --

but NOTHING excuses what was apparently done to this girl -- If they're lying, I'd have more respect for the foul sh*ts,
and that includes the other videos they sell by another vile slimeball who claims to have done the same, tricking girls who didn't know what they were in for ---- may their collective gonads be rotting slowly if it's true ---

but as it stands, they claim to have committed assault, and they're happily selling
extreme misery.

I have below zero respect or tolerance for this sort of bastard.

As I've said, equally disturbing is the overwhelming apathy or mindblowing selfishness --
*Most of you don't care, it's quite convenient to just assume "oh, they're just kidding," when they make it PRETTY CLEAR THEY'RE NOT ---- the agony is the whole POINT ---

and the worst criticisms posted have to do with petty inconveniences to the comfortable buyers who get off watching someone unwilling & unhappy tortured in their cozy living rooms.

"Disgusting" is such a tame understatement.

 

[meangry]

She signed a release to let the video be produced.

Do you understand this concept?

Regardless of the matter you present, even though this was a call girl who had been 'dooped' into doing this video, there is still legal recourse if she had been violated. She could have still gone and taken the company to court.

Not only did she not do that, but she signed...SIGNED...WITH HER OWN HAND...a release that allowed this video to be purchased and sold by the producer.

You are also talking about something that has happened years ago, with ownership having changed hands.

Now Paradise Vision is a very vital part of our community. And I would appreciate it if you could divisify your posts, as all I've seen you posting on is this topic and drumming up a commotion.

 

[FrenzyTickles]

Re: Comprehension

I think *you don't get the point.

An assault took place, with a victim who was NOT IN A POSITION to go to the police, purposefully ----- NOT someone with "legal recourse" as you say, speaking of dim comprehension --

This may have happened "years ago," but it's not only still advertised now,
but it was duplicated ---- THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED *ONCE,
MUCH LESS AGAIN ----

--- So if a crime occurs, and the statute of limitations expires, who gives a damn, in other words? ------ If it was YOU tied down, tortured & mocked you might see things a little differently,
but your narrow perspective sees only what's convenient at the moment for your own warped desires.

Not only could a similar assault occur again, but obviously NO ONE CARES that someone (several including "TickleSlaves") really suffered and very likely will again ----

EXCUUUUSE ME for SPEAKING UP AGAINST A CRIME CAUGHT ON TAPE

Maybe Paradise Vision might CONSIDER ANNIHILATING THIS, *IF THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT IS NOT GUILTY --- though they are, as they've kept up that advertisement & PROFITED from it ----

HOW many times do you need to read that for it to sink?
I shouldn't NEED to repeat that,

and excuse me *further for not ENTERTAINING you with a multitude of topics in a single thread/subject area.

I have NO PROBLEM with the rest of the site, I thought it was great at first glance ----- Then I looked further, and was horrified.

I'd appreciate it if you'd "diversify" *your perspective and perhaps begin to give a crap
about real degradation & abuse.

The problem is with the insensitive clods who create, repeat, buy and defend REAL torture.

If Tickling Paradise is such a "vital part" of this community, with this criminal, inhumane behavior celebrated,
there's something VERY wrong here, as your grossly inadequate posting so clearly illustrates.

 

[meangry]

First of all, if it was me, I'd have never signed the release for it to make the roads and sell. That would mean that Paradise Vision had something they would have to sit on, and if they did not I could sue them.

At the same time, there IS legal recourse for this woman...she never took it. To sign a release and not go after PV is, in essence, an act of consent.

The model did not have to sign a release. She could have gone to the authorities. When a woman is assaulted (or harrassed, as would be the case in this issue), no matter what, there is something she can do about it legally. Why do you think rape trials happen even if the defendant states that the offended was coming on to him, or that they were asking for it...and still get a settlement out of the deal.

Either way, monetary compensation probaby goes to the 'victim' whenever someone makes a purchase of this video. Even if she was against it, she could have worked it into the contract that she gets a royality check or something.

So...either way you look at it...she consented because if she had not, that video would not be available for purchase.

Now go find a new horn to blow. Diversification of a view point does not mean that I have to buy into it, or subscribe to it.

When something is sold...especially of this nature, the participating party has to sign a release. I don't know about you, but I remember that being involved in episodes of Jackass to even so much as not blur a person in the crowd's FACE.

She could also have taken the video and shown it to police officials.

She, to my knowledge, did not.

Your causing a stink too late. I've thought about buying the second nonconsentual video. I would like it if my ability to buy something was not taken away from me because some anal retentive bastard took up arms for a cause without having all the facts straight.

 

[FrenzyTickles]

OH, so you've spoken to her, have you?

And how would *YOU know she was AWARE she had ANY rights? -----*Especially as a prostitute?

As I've said ad nauseum, they targeted a prostitute because OF COURSE she'd hesitate to go to the police ---

Unless she was a frickin' law student doing this to pay for school, which has happened --- in which case she'd REALLY not be able to go to the police with this ---- she very well might not have known, or would've assumed it would go nowhere but landing her in jail herself -----

MANY OF THEM DON'T REPORT ASSAULTS OR RAPES
---they're either not taken seriously OR they don't have the funds, they think, to pursue justice
-----IF they'll risk exposing themselves to additional penalties/jail for prostitution

MORE LIKELY THEY THREATENED TO REVEAL HER AS WELL -----
The GOONS who tied & tortured her wouldn't just hand over the video to her without her signed consent (and very low likelihood she'd complain to authorities afterward)
*Dontcha Think????

FROM THEIR OWN DESCRIPTION, SHE WAS IN AGONY, and nearly immobile ---- THAT'S a description of REAL HELL -----

But YOU refer to this as mere "harrassment?"
--Right THERE you prove yourself monstrously inaccurate. And mindblowingly insensitive.

Regarding consent --- That can also be fabricated, especially in instances like these. And go tell the various celebrities (and others) who've protested having their videos sold all over the Internet that this stuff requires consent....
AS said above, a prostitute is even less likely to pursue this.

I have the facts as THEY even presented them ---- THAT'S the basis for my argument ----

The description is VERY DETAILED ----
EVEN if it's NOT real, and it appears to BE -----
They're selling someone's NON-CONSENSUAL ASSAULT.
AND MORE THAN ONE.
And SO it won't end there ---- It ALSO paves the way for more, real or otherwise--

since there are apparently more than enough of you lowlives who have no qualms about supporting & enjoying the business of real torture.

---I HOPE they didn't TORTURE her into releasing it to them, FIRST OF ALL, since they sound like they "broke" the poor girl

---If she WAS truly tortured and is profiting continually from sales, more power to her, if that makes up to a small degree for the ENORMOUS TRAUMA ----- However, there's no indication of that

You're clutching at oily straws to defend what is described in great detail as a very sadistic torture session with an UNWILLING PARTICIPANT who WAS MOST LIKELY TOO EXHAUSTED/BROKEN/SCARED to argue

You should be REAL proud of yourself. What a humanitarian gentleman.
Any excuse to excuse this.

I don't care what the hell you buy as long as it's not advertised as GENUINELY NON-CONSENSUAL. There's a reason that label SHOULD BE unacceptable in even somewhat civilized/free societies.

THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR TORTURING THE UNWILLING.

As I said initially, I'm a pervert myself, and am all for freedom & acceptance --- However
I'd much rather be "anal-retentive" about NOT TOLERATING ASSAULT or the promotion of it ---

than be a truly SICK sadistic bastard with rampant inadequacy issues who'd buy someone's apparently real agony for cheap thrills.

 

[meangry]

Yeah...because call girls continued to be a staple of the tickling paradise video line! Yeah...and...and...knowing they could continue making these films with no legal recourse to victims they tortured...THEY JUST CONTINUED DOING IT! Because after all...if a Coke machine is giving out free Coke's, you continue to take them.

If people were so dim about their rights for protection, I might believe that. I don't care what profession the girl was. She is not going to be stupid enough to completely bypass her rights if she was so violently assaulted, as you would put it...ON VIDEO TAPE THAT SHE WOULD LET BE RELEASED FOR GENERAL CONSUMPTION.

You're thinking with your heart, and when you do not have any common sense behind WHAT you are arguing, screaming about it is just going to make people think of you one way: moronic.

Are there moral and ethical issues to this film? Sure. Maybe. I think you can vouch for me in saying that we both have not purchased this video so we can not tell if this is just a suspense of disbelief...akin to that used in wrestling. But even if none of that matters to you...you need to realize this one thing:

She signed a release that allowed for her torment to be selled by the people who did it for about thirty bucks a pop. I don't know about you, but if I was being sodomized on camera unwillingly I would not sign the release. Many people in the situation this call girl were in would not sign the release. You know why? Because signing the release shows some form of consent, and if you are going to take someone to court about this then you do not want people presenting evidence against you with a nice and neat contract that basically says "I agree to let other people see this".

Use at least a little bit of common sense, now would you?!

 

[mart]

"Women so desperate, they have to sell their bodies!!" Hey, where are you coming from. There are very few women in Europe that have to take recourse to prostitution out of desperation!
You can't get your mind around the idea that this might be their profession of choice? Hell, there are a lot of benefits.
One other thing, All that bold type and capitalisation do make your posts rather hard to read. It is a little like some guys I know; if you disagree with what they are saying, they somehow believe that you obviously haven't understood them properly and they REPEAT THE SAME THING AGAIN TWICE AS SLOWLY AND TWICE AS LOUDLY!

 

[MasterPaladin]

Hi Master Paladin here.
I have been reading and have some arguments about this though I never knew that this may have occured. Someone stated that they sign a release well there can be some question there. The girl was not out of the house yet to get out sign. Get my point she may have signed under duress. I am not saying this is the case but just because she signed means nothing. I run a pay site and any girl I tickle has a way out. I saw their promos and do not really care for them so I never really cared for them anyway. People can appear innocent when there really not so all should keep an open mind and not rely on one piece of info to make a judgement.

Ty for your time Master Paladin retired New York City Police Officer.

PS. I hope I have contributed to this thread

 

[Sciamster]

hey

I really don't know why anyone is so upset about this. Have you never held someone down and tickled them even though they hate it? I've done that to girlfriends all my life. As for the girl that you're talking about that was 'tortured'. The only way they've released the video to the public is if the girl concented to it. Which means that her pay check must have been worth the agony she went through. Leave it alone, you're fighting a battle that can not be won.

 

[tkl-pen]

Some people are so narrow minded - I have no idea what video you're even talking about and I haven't seen it - but I have seen this sort of argument beaten to death in reference to another video in which a girl was hired and paid in accordance with a contract - clearly consented to the entire thing - and you should have heard some people - so why do you watch it if you're going to get upset - I like tickle torture in both written and film stories and even I haven't seen that one you're talking about.

 

[FrenzyTickles]

Thank you Master Paladin

It figures, Master Paladin is a retired police officer, and so is more aware of the VERY REAL POSSIBILITY that anyone -- (my note: especially a call girl, who's more wary of the law) --- who "signs a release" may have done so UNDER DURESS.

Mart, pardon my bold/caps, I'll try not to, but you are correct, that's done when one perceives one is not being heard.
As for PROSTITUTION -- THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC ENTIRELY dammit---

Tkl-pen ---It just so happens that Tickling Paradise has a "Nonconsensual Tickling" (and a 2nd one, etc..) that goes into GREAT DETAIL as far as how they selected & tricked a sensitive call girl & tortured her way beyond her limits----

I went into all this detail earlier (!!!) -- You people DON'T READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT ----- I either get blasted for MENTIONING THEM & SUPPOSEDLY ADVERTISING FOR THE SCHMUCKS, or for NOT MENTIONING THEM OFTEN ENOUGH (!!!) And Clips4sale apparently has a link re: real torture in E. Asia. Satisfied???

If you buy this stuff, I hope you find yourself in a 3rd world prison for at least a week.

I also HATE really hellish stories (Nylon Dungeon, no pleasure or hope even) but this is APPARENTLY REALITY CAUGHT ON TAPE -- VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!
----I recently learned this has been an issue in the T. Discussion section also, where I posted a related link, not knowing this.

Meangry IN SHORT, THE REALITY (AND EVEN THE APPEARANCE, ACCEPTANCE) OF TORTURE IS UNACCEPTABLE.
"Wrap your mind" around that basic human concept of decency.
And as I also stated elsewhere myself, the victim has likely been tortured, is exhausted, intimidated, and otherwise "under duress." S/he may VERY likely not know WHO EXACTLY did it, or how to identify them properly, IF s/he is comfortable enough to go to the police. And if it's an illegal immigrant or underage runaway, forget it.

Sciamster be thankful you didn't try that with me. You'd either be hospitalized or jailed, as I don't doubt you should be. HOPEFULLY your next girlfriend will be just like a childhood friend of mine, a female blackbelt phys ed. teacher you'd never SUSPECT could break half your body in less than 12 seconds.

 

[meangry]

Five billion excuses, yet a single document was signed.

That is all. Obviously, explaining it to you in painstaking detail is not going to get you to wrap your brain around the concept. You're firmly planted in your ideals, no matter how unfounded they are in this instance.

 

[MasterPaladin]

I am not going either way with this my point was Police have to be open minded or criminals would get away with murder. I havn't seen this vid but I do have a question , did this girl ever come back to do another video and if she did in my book case closed if not it only leaves a doubt.

one other thing to keep in mind ladies and gentlemen if there is no solid proof in this thread all who make Accusations that can not be proven can be sued for libel.
I suggest this be put to rest this is just my opinion ty

 

[FrenzyTickles]

I'm just not willing to accept possibilities clearly presented.

Master Paladin,
I didn't mean to assume your position was one or the other on this matter, only stating I'm glad you commented duress was a good possibility.

Meangry,
There's a HUUUUGE difference between "excuses"
---made here by those who don't want to discontinue getting their inhumane kicks

and the POSSIBILITIES or LIKILIHOOD that I'm insisting are NOT acceptable.

As I've said, even the accepted *advertising of this TORTURE as a real possibility is not merely disgusting but harmful as
it allows for
the acceptance of the reality.

 

[meangry]

I do hope you are sued for libel.

Then maybe you will shut up about it and leave people alone.

 

[MasterPaladin]

Lets all be nice now and leave this one alone before there are hard feelings between the members here. Everyone has an opinion and I respect that it is my opinion enough was said now it seems there might be arguments between members. I think all you guys and gals here are great and we seem to be like a family lets keep it that way.

Reguards to all Master Paladin

 

[tkl-pen]

Frenzy Tickle - why are you even looking at a tickle torture site if you don't like it - I haven't seen the video you speak of but from the sound of it you're all agitated over nothing.

 

[venray]

As I stated in the other thread, once a month or so another newer member comes forth to give free advertising to the site in question in order to boost sales for yet another crappy fake video....

no one in their right mind believes that this video company would be in business if they sold a video that was truly non consentual......

Happens here all the time.....just do a search and you will be informed....

 

[isabeau]

As I stated in the other thread, once a month or so another newer member comes forth to give free advertising to the site in question in order to boost sales for yet another crappy fake video....

no one in their right mind believes that this video company would be in business if they sold a video that was truly non consentual......

Happens here all the time.....just do a search and you will be informed....

really venray? you mean its really an advertisement for videos??? all this arguing is only that? geesh.... now that is sinking low

isabeau

 

[FrenzyTickles]

They claim it's real. You can't tell me it's not, for sure, and you wonder.

THANK YOU ISABEAU, you're a gem among rocks.

meangry, *I'LL be sued for libel, for TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD???? It's CLEARLY DESCRIBED, the video apparently backs it up ----
THEY should be sued for the torture they have either committed and/or are promoting. ---You're making even less sense, an admirable feat.

Speaking of not letting go -- You all talk like you're SURE BEYOND ANY DOUBT this stuff is not real. As I've said, you all obviously don't give a damn about anyone else's well-being, since ONCE THIS STUFF IS ACCEPTED, real or not, IT WILL EITHER BEGIN TO HAPPEN, OR CONTINUE, since there is NO WAY TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE, ACCORDING TO ALL OF YOU ----!!!!!

Master Paladin, your sentiments would be great except that you ALSO can't tell me this isn't real, or won't become so.
---- As it appears there's real torture being casually accepted here, I can't be worried about annoying those committing or promoting it. I hardly think *you'd remain quiet or go out of your way to convenience criminals who've documented their crimes..... which is why I believe you're more likely among those who've "suspended disbelief" instead of those who believe this is real & support it for that reason.

Tkl-pen, Tickling Paradise is ADVERTISED HERE, right in front of everyone, as I'm guessing CLIPS4SALE is also[/B] (N/C Torture in South Asia, just lovely) --- I'm obviously not seeking out N/C sites for kicks, I happened to look into TP and saw the Non-Consensual stuff they're selling. I was hoping it wasn't real but the description is a bit too vivid.

I recently found you've had the SAME (similar) discussion with "WendynPeter."
This UNETHICAL REAL TORTURE (redundant but necessary) crap HAS TO GO BYE BYE. ----If it's NOT real, they shouldn't be marketing it CONVINCINGLY.

Venray, very funny. Obviously "anyone in their right mind" can also figure out
that once this stuff sells ---- with at least PART IF NOT MOST of the population believing it's real torture
That ALLOWS for real torture to be sold, if it isn't already.
No one will question it, as I said above.

As I wrote initially, I'm just TOTALLY disgusted with the callousness here.
You guys are either in denial, or just don't care.

 

[Redmage]

really venray? you mean its really an advertisement for videos??? all this arguing is only that? geesh.... now that is sinking low

I don't think that's quite what Venray meant, Isabeau. Rather, the people who jump and scream about these videos provide advertising for them whether they want to or not.

It's like when all the protests against "The Last Temptation of Christ" turned it from a minor art film into a hit.