Too many naked videos

[mart]

Lets ot forget Tickletown and TicklishTeens, both of which offer the kind of tickle play videos mentioned, and which I like, too. I also don't recollect nudity in their movies, although I don't mind it either.

 

[wendyandpeter]

My last comment

I'm not going to belabor this discussion further. Obviously my point is being missed. I'm disappointed that people feel perfectly OK in calling material they aren't into "pornography," but that's OK, since I doubt anything is going to change because of it. However, I would never start a thread called "I have no use for child's-play videos," demonizing tickling vids WITHOUT an adult edge. I prefer to remain positive.

I really believe that many of the folks who posted to this thread have no idea how judgemental their posts sounded. Many of these posts did not come off as posts about preferences; rather, they came off as condemning an entire genre of material. Labeling something as pornographic is usually the mark of religious zealots. That kind of talk from within a community that puports to be supportive of sexual freedom is a bit scary. I also think it's sad that some people are so intimidated by other people's open sexuality and positive body images that they find themselves willing to dismiss what they do as pornographic. Speaking of religious zealotry, the labeling of material that contains adult themes as pornographic is not the only sign of religious fanaticism I've noticed around here lately.

 

[nessonite1]

You dont seem to be reading my posts in the spirit in which they are intended. I state several times in them that I don't view "porn" as a negative thing nor do I see all nudity as being "porn". Everything has it's own place and it's own fans. But the fact is the non-nude market is still wide open and will hopefully one day be filled.

 

[MistressValerie1]

Wendynpeter, I fully understand your concerns. I have to bend over backwards to maintain my neutrality when objectionable religious matters arise here, monitoring posts for obvious rule violations but keeping silent about my own religious views.

Personally, I don't use the term "pornography" except in the set phrase "porn actor/porn star," referring to a particular type of exaggerated physical apperarance. I usually say "adult videos" or "erotica" to describe sexually oriented material, since those are the preferred terms of the industry itself.

I do not think that nudity is necessarily vulgar or obscene, although it isn't to my own personal taste. I happen to find partial nudity (i.e., sexy underwear) far more alluring, though I do not condemn anyone else's choice in the matter.

Best regards,

 

[mart]

I don't believe there is any adverse judgment intended in referring to a particular genre of erotic content as "porn." Strictly speaking, fetish sites of all kinds would probablybe classed as such by most people anyway. It is we who make that distinction not to invlidate it, but so that we can understand what we are talking about. We are hardly in a position to sit in judgement over other people's preferences.

It is really a question of what turns you on, and for milllions off people that obviously is looking in on the sex act itself in various ways, with as vivid an impression as possible. And for these people, fetishism, despite being widespread, is distinctly weird.
But I, too, am not in the first place turned on by nudity or by close-ups of the sex act, and tend to avoid that kind of stuff.

But, as with all judgments, they do not really say as much about the things we judge, as they do about us. When I say that about porn, I am really saying little about porn itself, but something about me, about my relationship to it. And the more bigotry a person displays, the more this holds true.

 

[10 armed tkler]

put it this way

people want nutidy....people want socks and nylon...people want fun tickling...others want sexual tickling...

I speak little but when the quiet one speaks ya better listen...so here it goes....


there is no such thing as opnion...

thats the bottem line because the rock does not use this catch prhase any more!

 

[-Kunoke-]

My opinion is as follows. I'll try to keep it short.

Nudity is fine in my opinion. No nudity is fine in my opinion. Either way, if the tickling is good, I don't care. Tickling is very sexual to me, so throwing in a bare breast or clit wont get a complaint from me. I dont prefer one or the other.

Now, on the subject of complaining. Although I've seen a load of clips posted here these days that are full on nudity, there are a FAIR amount that are not, and there are a VERY FAIR amount of other clips that have already been posted which have no nudity. Don't just stick with whats new. Some of the older clips are great. You just have to have the initiative to go and find them.

As you want people to be sensitive to your wishes of there being more clips with no nudity, be sensitive of other's wishes, and realize that even if you dont want nudity, some people do, and everyone deserves to get their way here. If you are seeing more clips these days with nudity, and dont like nudity, then go find some clips without nudity. There are TONS of them here, and on other websites. Don't expect amazing clips to jump right up in your face when you say so.

Perhaps this has even been said in this thread already, but I am tired and I didn't feel like reading through all the posts.

Rant over. 🙂

 

[BigNorm]

not to mention, when people post images and clips on the forums, they NEED to designate if that have nudity and whatnot.

but that's the reason i totally love last laugh, my most favorite video producer, only thing is, wish they'd speak english, but that's just a minor detail.

 

[nessonite1]

I actually prefer it when they don't speak English. I like not knowing what they're saying. 😛

 

[-Kunoke-]

I actually prefer it when they don't speak English. I like not knowing what they're saying. 😛

Yeah, I think I prefer that too. 😛

To Norm: Yes, I do agree the sexual content of the clip should be stated outright, if there is any at all. But it usually is stated.

 

[tukano_2]

Apart from the different points of view, I think threads like this are useful for the community: that way producers know what the market, at least a part of it, wants! 🙂

Personally I have no problems with nudity/sex mixed with tickling; I may like that sometimes and like a more "innocent" kind of tk some other times, even though I must admit I really can live without the vibrator thing.
Moreover I prefere next-door looking people in videos (with exceptions of course ;->) too, as Mistress Valerie said: it gives me the feeling of a potentially real situation, and because of that I find it more erotic 🙂

But, at the end, as already said, we are talking about Tickling Media, so if the tickling is good (they seem really ticklish, good reactions, and so on), everything is relatively fine, if the tickling is bad, people start paying attention to otherwise irrelevant details.

About producers, there are a lot other than Last Laugh who offer tk stuff without, or mainly without, sex and nudity: A.n.a., French Tickling, and so on, and, in my humble opinion, I find them much better than Last Laugh (more realistic tickling).

 

[-Kunoke-]

Apart from the different points of view, I think threads like this are useful for the community: that way producers know what the market, at least a part of it, wants! 🙂

Personally I have no problems with nudity/sex mixed with tickling; I may like that sometimes and like a more "innocent" kind of tk some other times, even though I must admit I really can live without the vibrator thing.
Moreover I prefere next-door looking people in videos (with exceptions of course ;->) too, as Mistress Valerie said: it gives me the feeling of a potentially real situation, and because of that I find it more erotic 🙂

But, at the end, as already said, we are talking about Tickling Media, so if the tickling is good (they seem really ticklish, good reactions, and so on), everything is relatively fine, if the tickling is bad, people start paying attention to otherwise irrelevant details.

About producers, there are a lot other than Last Laugh who offer tk stuff without, or mainly without, sex and nudity: A.n.a., French Tickling, and so on, and, in my humble opinion, I find them much better than Last Laugh (more realistic tickling).

Yes, yes, French Tickling has yet to let me down. All of their tickling seems absolutely realistic, and the models are REALLY REALLY TICKLISH. If you don't trust me on that, buy their clip with Virginie. I mean...just...WOW. :weird:

 

[quiettickler]

If i wanted to see nude naked girls i would go buy some porn dvds or a porn magazine or browse porn websites.

It's not my cup of tea in china but if other people like there nude tickling video clips then well that is good for them. great. But that's not me. I would much much rather see girls semi clothed/or wearing a bikini at least when being tickled in the clips.

Leaves more to the mind! 😉 then just right away being naked up front and center.

 

[GuldenVleugel]

I don't share your opinion here. I find it nice that most of the clips contain some nudity. Tickling is very sexual to me and I find a combination of the nakedness and the tickling to almost be a must (yet there are some non-naked clips that prove to be a turn on as well though).

One fact though, being a foot fetishist I view naked female feet just as attractive as naked female breasts/vaginas. They also are to be considered nudity from a sexual perspective by me.

I know what you mean, there are indeed many clips that have non-ticklish 'lees just "tickled" while nude. So you actually only have the nudity to enjoy. As long as the tickling is real, I frankly don't mind wether she's nude or not.

 

[BigNorm]

I actually prefer it when they don't speak English. I like not knowing what they're saying. 😛

true, true. makes me wanna go out and learn french too.

honestly, i like some nude videos, but the BEST videos are with dressed women, and nowadays the nude ones are getting out right cheesy. so in short, i like non nude videos, as they are so much better, and non boring.

 

[The Last Laugh]

About producers, there are a lot other than Last Laugh who offer tk stuff without, or mainly without, sex and nudity: A.n.a., French Tickling, and so on, and, in my humble opinion, I find them much better than Last Laugh (more realistic tickling).

I agree that I'm not the only one producing non-nude videos. There are several good producers out there who do similar things. Also, I don't mind that you prefer their videos to mine. It's all a matter of taste.

However, I am curious to know what you mean by "more realistic tickling". I don't get it. I mean, I realize that, on average, my videos don't necessarily feature the most ticklish models on the market. Overall I think they're just fine, but I know many videos star models that react more intensely than most of mine. That's not a problem, though, as I don't think realism is linked to intensity.

What bugs me is that you seem to be suggesting that the tickling in my videos isn't genuine. After all, if it's not realistic it must mean it's fake, right? I'm not sure if this is what you're implying, but if it is I have to say that I strongly resent it and, if at all possible, I would like to know how you came to such a conclusion. Thank you for your feedback.

 

[tukano_2]

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However, I am curious to know what you mean by "more realistic tickling".
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What bugs me is that you seem to be suggesting that the tickling in my videos isn't genuine. After all, if it's not realistic it must mean it's fake, right?
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First of all, I've only seen your preview clips, not complete videos, but that is more or less all I saw from other producers too, preview clips.
Later I bought some videos from some producers, only because I enjoied their preview clips at the point to spend some money on them.

Don't take it personally: I think the vast majority of tk videos producers use to show fake or overreacted tk, and the few who don't are not completely free from that, I already wrote this in more than one other thread.

In my humble opinion, and basing my judgment only on preview clips, A.N.A. and French Tickling have a lower amount of fake and overreaction in their videos, but that doesn't mean they didn't make clearly faked tk videos.
Exhaster F/M clips: I've seen only 5 preview clips, but they are absolutely wonderful (=can't see any fake or overreaction there).
CC Produktion (German producer): they made few things, I think, but I found their only available clip so good I had to buy the video.

There may be some other I'm forgetting now, but I think those I mentioned are the ones with the best (=with the least quantity of fake and overreaction) stuff on the market.

Italian renfair videos are different, because that is basically mainstream: everything there is real, nobody is paid to laugh, and if someone is not ticklish just doesn't react and says it clearly.

Your stuff: I saw, I think, 6 or 7 of your preview clips, and while I'm writing this I'm looking at your preview of LAST LAUGH XI.
Well, I don't say your models are not ticklish at all, but I see lots of overreaction and many clearly forced laughs.

That is just my personal opinion, you seem to have many fans anyway (look at this thread), I just wanted to express my point of view, since your videos were presented as an example of good tk stuff.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Don't take it personally: I think the vast majority of tk videos producers use to show fake or overreacted tk, and the few who don't are not completely free from that, I already wrote this in more than one other thread.

I'm sorry, but it's really hard not to take it personally when you say that my models fake or overreact. That's about the worst insult someone can hurl at you when you're a tickling video producer. Have you any idea how discouraging it is to put all that time, work and money to produce videos like this and to go through all the frustration it involves, only to have someone say it's not genuine?

Dealing with candidates isn't easy. It's not something that I enjoy very much most of the time, because so many of them are unreliable or don't have what it takes. I've turned down *a lot* of candidates because I didn't feel they were ticklish enough, way more people than I've worked with. I wouldn't go through all that frustration and potential embarrassment if I could just have them fake the laughter. But I don't, which requires me to go through many "unqualified" candidates and deal with unpleasant people, because having models that are genuine is important to me. Some of my models aren't as extremely ticklish as some people would prefer. But that's ok. I'd rather have moderately ticklish models who react in a spontaneous, genuine way than have them fake extreme ticklishness.

Your stuff: I saw, I think, 6 or 7 of your preview clips, and while I'm writing this I'm looking at your preview of LAST LAUGH XI.
Well, I don't say your models are not ticklish at all, but I see lots of overreaction and many clearly forced laughs.

What you don't seem to realize is that each person reacts very differently to tickling, and just because someone's reactions may seem a bit goofy and extreme doesn't mean they're fake or exaggerated. MC from LAST LAUGH XI reacts that way in the video because that's what comes naturally to her. It's a combination of physical reflexes and personality. She can't help it. I know it's unusual, but it's most definitely not fake.

While I realize that several producers may indeed sell videos that feature tickling that's exaggerated, I think that more offer the real thing than you think. Some people seem to have a limited image of how a ticklish person reacts, either because they lack experience or because they've tickled a lot of the same types of people. If some models react in ways that one hasn't encountered before, then these people are tempted to cry fake. It may be true in some cases, but in others it's a premature and unfair judgement. I'm not just talking about my own videos. I'm pretty sure there are other producers out there that you think are faking but are actually the real thing. The same way I'm sure there are others you think are genuine when in fact they're faking. Frankly, it makes no sense to me that only a very rare few offer the real thing. Why would so many producers have their models fake? What's the point?

I'm sorry for the negative tone of my post, but while I don't think you meant any harm, the fact remains that the suggestion of fakeness and overacting is very offensive to me. Having the models fake laughter is a very dishonest practice that shows no respect for the customers. If I started doing it I'd have no business selling videos and I might as well close shop right away. Fortunately, I have no intention of doing something so cheap and lame. I don't work my ass off to produce these videos only to do something as stupid as have my models fake and risk getting blasted because of it.

So anyway, it's ok if you don't like my videos, and if you don't believe me and still think they're fake, well, there's nothing I can do about it. However, while you're entitled to your opinion, I would appreciate if you didn't post stuff that's potentially harmful for a producer's reputation when you don't have all the info needed to back such claims. It’s only fair. Thank you.

 

[tukano_2]

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Why would so many producers have their models fake? What's the point?
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Does it really need an answer?
It may be not your case, but this question sounds a bit ingenuous.

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I'm sorry for the negative tone of my post, but while I don't think you meant any harm, the fact remains that the suggestion of fakeness and overacting is very offensive to me.
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I didn't intend to offend anyone, I was just expressing my opinion: I meant that when I wrote "don't take it personally".
If you feel offended, I'm very sorry.

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So anyway, it's ok if you don't like my videos, and if you don't believe me and still think they're fake, well, there's nothing I can do about it. However, while you're entitled to your opinion, I would appreciate if you didn't post stuff that's potentially harmful for a producer's reputation when you don't have all the info needed to back such claims. It’s only fair. Thank you.

How can I be entitled to express my opinion and, at the same time, compelled not to, because that could offend you?
You are a seller and I'm a potential consumer in a particular market, tk media market, I'm just exerting my right to evaluate your offers.
What if someone in the Video Reviews section of this forum expresses their opinion on your stuff in the same terms as I did? Do you think tk media consumers are less entitled than other kind of consumers to express and exchange opinions about products on the market?

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when you don't have all the info needed to back such claims. It’s only fair. Thank you.

Info?!? What kind of info do I need to evaluate a tk preview clip?!? If by "all the info needed" you intended your point of view on the matter, now I have "that info", but my opinion is just the same.

At the end of the story, there are many qualified people here in the forum who like your stuff and said that in a number of threads, my opinion will not hurt your reputation. But, since I have no intention to start a discussion that could be potentially not likeable, I won't talk no more about your videos.

The only thing that REALLY disturbed me is that you labeled "my legitimate opinion as consumer" as "to post stuff that's potentially harmful for a producer's reputation".

 

[trainmaster500]

Tukano, just out of curiosity how do you measure a persons genuine ticklishness by just looking at the video? I have tickled a few women who do react the way some of them do in Francois videos.

 

[fred28976]

My Opinion on this is, that the lady that is the ticklee shouldn't be nude in the video unless she is gonna be tickled on her private places. I hate getting a tickling video and sitting and watching and waiting for her to be tickled there and it seems they never come to that. I do enjoy the erotic side of tickling and tickling a girl till she climaxes. But I do agree if they are not gonna tickle her in that spot that she needs to have some clothing on.

 

[tukano_2]

Tukano, just out of curiosity how do you measure a persons genuine ticklishness by just looking at the video? I have tickled a few women who do react the way some of them do in Francois videos.

Well, how should I measure ticklishness in a tk video other than just looking at the video?
I should tickle them personally to have a different opinion, but I frankly find this eventuality very remote 🙂

 

[The Last Laugh]

Does it really need an answer?
It may be not your case, but this question sounds a bit ingenuous.

My question isn't why they do it so much as why would they consider doing something so stupid and dishonest. Also, I don't understand why producers have models fake when they can just find some that are genuinely ticklish. Sure, it's easier to get lots of models if you have them fake, and finding qualified models can be a lot of work for some people. But I feel that it's not so hard that it justifies deceiving the customers and risking having people blast one's work because the models are faking it. I mean, my models are genuine and you think they're faking, at least partially. So how can producers expect to get away with real fakers? I know some producers do it, but it's just beyond me.

Info?!? What kind of info do I need to evaluate a tk preview clip?!? If by "all the info needed" you intended your point of view on the matter, now I have "that info", but my opinion is just the same.

Not what I meant at all. What I meant is that you're basing your opinion solely on short clips made up of tiny little bits of footage. As far as I know, you haven't watched an entire video, which is the actual product. It's like reviewing a movie based on a commercial.

Second, you haven't worked with these models. You haven't talked to them, learned to know them, tested their ticklishness and reactions in person, nor have you been there during the actual shoot. So you really can't say that there's "lots of overreaction and many clearly forced laughs" because you don't know. You weren't there.

"I should tickle them personally to have a different opinion, but I frankly find this eventuality very remote"

Indeed. I admit that's a problem. It goes without saying that potential customers can't test the models themselves, and they only have the preview clips to make a judgement. So to some extent, I can't blame you for having an opinion of my work based on the clips. It's perfectly normal. It wouldn't make sense for me to say that one can't have some form of opinion after watching the clips, since that's what they're meant for.

What I do mind is your posting of your negative impressions which are only based on the clips, and not the actual videos, as well as your certainty that the models' reactions are fake, almost like it goes without saying that they are. You could post a negative comment if you had seen a full video. I wouldn't be pleased about it, but it would be fair. Or you could say that, based on the preview clips you've seen, there may be some fakeness, but you're not sure because they're only preview clips, or something like that.

The only thing that REALLY disturbed me is that you labeled "my legitimate opinion as consumer" as "to post stuff that's potentially harmful for a producer's reputation".

Please understand that I'm not trying to censor negative comments about my work. Naturally I dont like negative comments, but if someone watches one of my videos and doesn't like it, well, it's only fair that he can post about it (hopefully explaining his reasons).

At the end of the story, there are many qualified people here in the forum who like your stuff and said that in a number of threads, my opinion will not hurt your reputation. But, since I have no intention to start a discussion that could be potentially not likeable, I won't talk no more about your videos.

Fair enough. I may not like the certainty of your opinion, considering you only saw the preview clips, but in restrospect, you're right, it's not like it's going to "damage my reputation" or anything like that. I guess I was overreacting. And you do have a right to express your opinions. I just wish you had done it some other way, that's all.

 

[morgandee]

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[tukano_2]

Francois, I'm happy things are clear and fair now. As I already said, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Edit: just to close an open argument, if you look again at my reply to your first msg, you will see I stated that my opinions could just be based on preview clips, since I haven't seen any whole video of yours.

I sincerely wish you good luck with your videos 🙂