USS Lincoln

[red indian]

oh yes all very convenientTronny but........

.......how a machine performs on paper is only half the story, no doubt you would be the first to bragg about the performance of the "Black Sheep" squadron against the Japanese. The Japs had possibly the best fighter of WW2 in the "Zero" but the "Black Sheep" squadron did a great job with inferior equipment.So to state that the Argies had inferior aircraft to the British task force is the only reason they came of worst in the air is bollocks.


p.s. For the record, the Argies did not manage to shoot down a single Brit plane.

 

[BigJim]

Re: oh yes all very convenientTronny but........

So to state that the Argies had inferior aircraft to the British task force is the only reason they came of worst in the air is bollocks.

Which would also explain why the Brits whup the arse of the Yankee-boys whenever there's a cross exercise. The one occasion I've come across when the yanks got the upper hand was when the Delta Force tried their hand at a "capture the enemy's flag" type game, against the SAS. The "playing area" was deliniated by a large, chain-link fence all the way around it. The SAS took up positions concealed about halfway between the two teams. After about 30 minutes they heard some cheering from behind them and turning round, saw the Delta Force blokes coming up behind them cheerily waving the Union Jack they'd just captured.

Turns out that the DF had taken some bolt croppers to the fence, sneaked out into the surrounding woods and then cut through the fence at the rear of the SAS's area, captured their flag and strolled on in. To their mind they'd "adapted, overcome and conquered". They thought it was hillarious that the Brits had lost out to their own sense of "fair play" and "playing by the rules".
What the numpty's failed to digest until the Regiment gently enlightened them, was that in real life the fence would have been an impassable mountain range, a cliff or a desert that could'nt be crossed. It was nowt to do with playing by the rules, but trying to simulate the geographical situation they might encounter in a real conflict. A bit difficult to cut through the side of a mountain with a set of bolt croppers you know old boy? 😀

Then there was "Excercise Bonfire" in 2001 where the vaunted Green Berets were utterly smegged out of existence by the Sherwood Foresters; a plain old infantry regiment. And the repeated severe duffings-up of the good old "Ug Factor" of the US Marine Corps, by whatever British unit happens to be in the locale at the time.

However it's not all bad news. The one time I did hear something good about the standards of US armed forces was from a friend of mine, who served with the Cheshire Regiment in Cyprus, Northern Ireland and on exercise in the US. According to him the US Rangers were the best lot he'd ever come up against. In his words..."Those bastards blew us up all weekend!"

So that's where they learnt to blow the shit out of the UK forces. No wonder they were so good at it in both Gulf Wars and Bosnia! 😀

 

[Neutron]

And to Date...

No US Ship has ever been hit by an Exocet. It seems that weapon sunk British Ships in droves.
Your biggest triumph in the Falklands war was with US Equipment. That being the sinking of the General Belgrano. A US Designed Submarine, with a US Reactor fired a US Weapon to sink said ship.

Actually odd, you talk of the Black Sheep Squadron.. Again good old US Equipment saves the day. In fact the F4F wasn't all that inferior to the Zero. They had almost the same Air Speed. The F4F was better armed, and more importantly could dive a hell of a lot quicker. She was also survivable due to armored cockpits and gas tanks.
The zero was a better turner and climber, but climbing is over rated in air warfare. You cannot compare this situation with the Argies, ho by the way put a thorough whupping on a few Brit warships, using crap technology. Just for your info, in Vietnam, a US Task Force using barrage fire tactics did defeat a group of ships firing Styx Missiles. And we didn't lose any ships.

As for exercises LOL Who cares. Last time I checked we whupped Limey ass the last two times we mixed it up WHEN IT COUNTED!!.


Tron

 

[BigJim]

To date, no Exocets have been fired at US ships have they? None would have been fired at Brits if not for the French. Ah the French, doncha just love em? Still, they can't out arms-deal us selling to Saddam and Osama can they Tron?



Two times? You not counting the war of 1812 then?😀😀😀 Besides, we let you win the first war. You would'nt have won if half our generals hadn't been senile and the other half syphilitic.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

How in the name of Marmalade did this thread get soooooo of course??

Hmmm??

 

[BigJim]

How in the name of Marmalade did this thread get soooooo of course??

Hmmm??

Because you joined it. 😀

 

[His Divine Shadow]

Because you joined it. 😀

Ha Ha Ha.

 

[Neutron]

Exocets ..

No. Styx missiles yes. The Styx was the immediate foreruner of the Exocet. In fact it's a better missile than the Exocet. 2 US Destroyers fought off an attack consisting of 54 Styx missiles, Without a hit.
One Exocet, the Sheffield goes boom...

The Exocet is junk, it's only selling point was the French would sell it in multitudes.

As for the Lincoln,,, They were doing their job, a sailor goes to sea period. Try doing a 6 month deployment on a submarine. I did that in 1989. I didn't have the option of seeing the real world.


Tron

 

[red indian]

Another one for you BJ..................

.........a couple of years back a Brit pilot got on the U.S. programme for Apache Helicopter training. No none American had ever won the "top gun" award at the end of the training. So on this particular year would you adam and eve it!!!??? the Brit guy kicked septic ass and won the "Top Gun" award. Result? yep you guessed it, award ceremony cancelled, no explanation. Seems it was a case of "its our helicopter and we are going home, sob, snivell, blubber".

 

[Hitman]

I put this post up to welcome home the US saliors on the USS Abraham Lincoln, not to discuss whice contry is better between the US and UK.

 

[red indian]

Sorry Hitman............

.....you are right, we have spoiled your thread. Dont worry about me BJ and Tronny, like playing golf or taking the dog for a walk, its just our way of relaxing! but we do need our own mud slinging thread I suppose.

 

[Hitman]

its all good, I am an American but I also have a great amount of respect for the brits.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

its all good, I am an American but I also have a great amount of respect for the brits.

With BigJim here, that's a must.

 

[BigJim]

Re: Exocets ..

One Exocet, the Sheffield goes boom...


Tron

Two actually, and one of those was "distracted" by chaaf deployments. Problem with the Sheffield was that Sam Salt it's Captain, couldn't deploy chaaf because the American purchased launcher was fucked. 😀 Just as well the other ships produced enough of a screen to get rid of the other bugger. Of course, if the Etendards had been courageous enough to come closer the fleet would have been in really deep shit. If the Invince or the Hermes had been twatted at any time, it would have been game over. Sandy Woodward would have been completely fucked without both of them.

 

[BigJim]

Re: Another one for you BJ..................

.........a couple of years back a Brit pilot got on the U.S. programme for Apache Helicopter training. No none American had ever won the "top gun" award at the end of the training. So on this particular year would you adam and eve it!!!??? the Brit guy kicked septic ass and won the "Top Gun" award. Result? yep you guessed it, award ceremony cancelled, no explanation. Seems it was a case of "its our helicopter and we are going home, sob, snivell, blubber".

Well hot-diggety! Take the fifth and have a nice fucking day y'all!!!

 

[BigJim]

I put this post up to welcome home the US saliors on the USS Abraham Lincoln, not to discuss whice contry is better between the US and UK.

Sorry Hitman, I posted all my irrelavent shite before I saw that post.

Welcome home to the Lincoln!!!

 

[His Divine Shadow]

You HAD to tell him that. Now he'll be on his high horse for weeks.