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Velly_Z Comic Commission ..

first of all, i already talked to jaquill and we have an agreement.

Velly did not deliver as promised.

To her credit she contacted me a couple times since last weekend; on Thursday promising to deliver something either Friday or Saturday morning; then very late Saturday night promising she’s “working on” my comic. Again, her promises were accompanied by the notice of yet another personal tragedy. I don’t mean to sound unsympathetic or cold – but since she’s able to continue posting drawings for a popular tickling pay site (intermittently, but she could have finished my comic by now, even at that intermittent completion rate) I’m really beginning to feel like the town to which the boy cried wolf.

I’ll be back in a couple days with another update.
 
Velly did not deliver as promised.

To her credit she contacted me a couple times since last weekend; on Thursday promising to deliver something either Friday or Saturday morning; then very late Saturday night promising she’s “working on” my comic. Again, her promises were accompanied by the notice of yet another personal tragedy. I don’t mean to sound unsympathetic or cold – but since she’s able to continue posting drawings for a popular tickling pay site (intermittently, but she could have finished my comic by now, even at that intermittent completion rate) I’m really beginning to feel like the town to which the boy cried wolf.

I’ll be back in a couple days with another update.

Dude, she isn't a machine. Life gets in the way sometimes, I'm sure. Plus, the mainstream site probably has stricter deadlines than your commission; in addition to the fact that its an actual job.
Nothing has ever been gained through impatience.
 
Dude, she isn't a machine. Life gets in the way sometimes, I'm sure. Plus, the mainstream site probably has stricter deadlines than your commission; in addition to the fact that its an actual job.
Nothing has ever been gained through impatience.

I think there is no way you can realistically call this man impatient. He waited nearly a year before beginning to grow visibly anxious. And given the amount of money that is involved here, he is most certainly in the right to expect results at this point.
 
Back with a short update.

On Sunday, Velly promised to deliver some samples by Tuesday and I’m here to say that she did just that. Her work is awesome, as usual, and I continue to be impressed by her skills as an artist and creativity as a story-teller.

Thank you, Velly.

This is a long comic so I’d say she’s about 1/4th to 1/3rd done with our story; I’m very much looking forward to what comes next.

I’ll be back with another update in a few days.
 
Velly has promised the next delivery by this coming Wednesday. I'll be back then with another update.
 
fun fact: Leonardo da Vinci was actually well-known in his time for not finishing his commissioned works of art..... yeah..... think about that.....
 
i already talked to jaquill and we have an agreement.

Velly has promised the next delivery by this coming Wednesday. I'll be back then with another update.

Sadly, Velly did not deliver as promised.

The last time I heard from her (about a week ago) was when she promised to deliver more of the comic yesterday. If anyone knows her please ask her to get in touch with me about our comic. If I do hear from her I'll be back to give you another update.
 
... I'm kinda surprised she still gets commissions after such a bad history. =/

Seems like this history is just being discovered.

Wow... I'm not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, this whole thread is kinda messed up, putting a private matter on display for everyone to see(with updates, no less!). On the other hand, she's been paid in full and hasn't delivered in almost a year and brought to light others that haven't been paid. I'm conflicted... I've been on both sides of similar issues to a much lesser extent. I won't say who should do what, but better communication between payer and payee was the solution both times.
 
yeah, in da Vinci's defense no one had cell phones or e-mail in the 1400's...... you really shouldn't take more commissions than you can handle..... a proverb about biting off a lot and not being able to chew it comes to mind......

..... but still, you guys that paid so much money for tickling pics..... I mean, you coulda bought an iPhone or a mini netbook for that much....... so yeah, I'm conflicted too....
 
I don't tend to get into these discussions, but since I have quite a bit of experience on both ends of this subject, I will. As a video producer, we offer custom videos. We get paid upfront for doing them. Why? Because we could film it, and then the customer never pays. We would be out on model fees, costuming, ect. Now, the customer has certain expectations from us. We took their money, and generally promise a finished product within a certain time. If something arises, we need to keep the customer informed. If too long a period passes by, then the customer is entitled to their money back. Pretty straight forward. However, a lot of artists and models, while talented, have no business sense or ethics or both. We have personally dealt with several models (some from these very forums) and artists who were going to straight up walk away with money we paid in advance (something we rarely do). In these cases, we have turned the matter over to our lawyer, and she has always gotten our money back. Now, hiring a lawyer for the small amounts folks are talking about is just not viable. The legal fees make it cost prohibitive. If the artist can't pay you back, then it's unlikely they can afford to pay their legal fees, let alone your legal fees. You'll just get an expensive judgment that you'll never see, and spend more money in the bargain. Why do artists and models do it? Mostly stupidity. Some have personal issues come up, but they fail to see the commision they were hired to do as a business arrangement with certain obligations to their customers. Others need the money (many need it badly). You would be surprised how many well known adult stars are one gig away from an eviction notice. In either case, they take on as many jobs as they "think" they can handle. Those jobs pile up, they fall behind, customers come knocking, the money is all spent, so they lay low. Some genuinley want to make good, but they are scared. They bit off more than they could chew. Some will try to work things out, while others need persuasion. Some even have no qualms about bolting. They need extra persuasion. They figure they won't fall behind "next time." That, in a nutshell, is a lot of the models and artists you will find on the net (and off...there are a few big name comic artists I know that take YEARS to complete commisions for fans...paid commissions!). The best thing to do is not pay in advance. This isn't always practical, since legit artists don't want to get screwed either. If you have to pay, ask for references of other customers who the artist has recently done work for. If they say that all their customers are confidential, RUN! The majority of net customs are posted by the customer on sites like deviant. Don't let the artist or model put you in an uncomfortable position. Get legit contact info and a real name (no, their nic is not enough). I hope some of this helps those out there who may have been thinking of hiring a model or artists, as well as those of you who may have gotten burned.
 
Seems like this history is just being discovered.

Wow... I'm not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, this whole thread is kinda messed up, putting a private matter on display for everyone to see(with updates, no less!). On the other hand, she's been paid in full and hasn't delivered in almost a year and brought to light others that haven't been paid. I'm conflicted... I've been on both sides of similar issues to a much lesser extent. I won't say who should do what, but better communication between payer and payee was the solution both times.

I think its best everyone sees this as it makes sure most people on the forum (not everyone will read this) knows not to ask for comissions from her anymore. It makes the community better for all as no one will be getting scammed(couldn't think of a better word)



p.s. big fan of yours 😀
 
In any case, I think we can safely say this is definitely in the wrong section.
 
Just a quick update - Velly promised to deliver new updates last Wednesday which she did this morning (a week late). I've asked her when I can expect the next updates but haven't heard from her yet. She's just shy of being 1/2 done with this comic.
 
Another quick update for you - two Fridays ago (the 14th) I heard from Velly promising an update by this week.

She did not deliver as promised.
 
A quick question... why are you telling this to us? I know its hard for you for losing money and its less than principle for her as she broke her word and scammed you... but... why are you telling this to us?

Most of us don't even know who velly is, nor can contact her. And besides this is art subforum, so unless there is some art, I think this is just becoming a flaming thread.
 
Just a quick update – Velly has finally finished and delivered the comic for which I commissioned her. It’s been over two months since I brought this to your attention which means a total of ten months for a project I was initially promised would take two weeks.

Anyway, I've sent her some extra money because she delivered more than the page count we agreed upon – the extra pages weren't what we'd discussed, but I felt they didn't take anything away from the overall comic. Paypal tells me she’ll have her coin by next Monday. As far as I am concerned, this matter is now closed.

For those in the community here that encouraged me with IM’s, email, and support here in this thread – you have my deepest gratitude. Really, thank you – thank you – very much. It’s a very sad thing that I had to resort to bringing this public but because of you, she did the right thing.

Though she did the right thing, please do not take this as an endorsement of her, her integrity, or her honesty. Were it not for this community, she would have kept what I paid and never delivered on her promises. As this thread demonstrates, I am not the only one she tried to scam – and as this thread demonstrates, this was the only way to motivate her to do the right thing.

Thanks again – once again (have I said thank you, yet?) - for your support (both private and public) and understanding. We did together what I couldn’t do alone and hopefully we won’t have to do something like this again.

Ya’ll are the best!
 
Just a quick update – Velly has finally finished and delivered the comic for which I commissioned her. It’s been over two months since I brought this to your attention which means a total of ten months for a project I was initially promised would take two weeks.

Anyway, I've sent her some extra money because she delivered more than the page count we agreed upon – the extra pages weren't what we'd discussed, but I felt they didn't take anything away from the overall comic. Paypal tells me she’ll have her coin by next Monday. As far as I am concerned, this matter is now closed.

For those in the community here that encouraged me with IM’s, email, and support here in this thread – you have my deepest gratitude. Really, thank you – thank you – very much. It’s a very sad thing that I had to resort to bringing this public but because of you, she did the right thing.

Though she did the right thing, please do not take this as an endorsement of her, her integrity, or her honesty. Were it not for this community, she would have kept what I paid and never delivered on her promises. As this thread demonstrates, I am not the only one she tried to scam – and as this thread demonstrates, this was the only way to motivate her to do the right thing.

Thanks again – once again (have I said thank you, yet?) - for your support (both private and public) and understanding. We did together what I couldn’t do alone and hopefully we won’t have to do something like this again.

Ya’ll are the best!

well thats great ^-^ now lets see if she will start my commission?
 
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