what happened to clips4sale????

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

So we can't view or buy anything without providing ID first? Sorry but I'd rather not give my passport or drivers license, defeats the whole anonymity thing...
is everyone seeing this or is it like a by state or country thing?

 

[kingmaker]

I think there is a law in france and maybe also texas that requires people to verify. before buying clips. (and nobody protested it because it was labelled as child protection measures)

In any case, while it sucks, those verification systems are designed so that nobody knows what you see. It is a third party company that just checks IDs (double blind system)

 

[TMF Jeff]

It's just certain places. Florida where I live became on this year - it's local laws, not clips4sale themselves.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

It's a law in Tennessee as well.

 

[BBGuy5240]

Laws in certain states. I don;t follow overseas laws, so there could be some in effect there as well. I know it's meant to protect children, but I'm sorry if you don't want you child to look at internet porn, that's on you as a parent.

Not trying to turn this political, but I just think it's dumb as hell. And it hurts content creators. Seductive-Studios a couple months ago sent out a message to those who are subscribed to their newsletter, saying that their members site was completely blocked in the states that had this law.

 

[Soles_Scream]

Use a VPN if you have issue with these dumb government sanctioned age verification mandates.

I am all for keeping minors away from this stuff of course, but this AV program method is a dumb way to handle it.

 

[U.N.Owen]

It's a state-level decision as of now. But it's entirely conceivable the current Congress might try to impose it nationally. Whether they would have enough votes or enough will to do so, who knows? The adult entertainment lobby isn't the most visible force in politics, but it's there, and it has money.

 

[DebonairDavid]

The ironic thing is trying to tell kids they can't watch this only encourages them to find some other way to view it instead, especially when they're pre-pubescent and discovering their sexual identity and interests. This will be controversial to say, but if I had pre-teens or still wanted to have kids, I'd sit them down, give them "the talk", and say that as long as they're exploring their sexuality, aren't becoming consumed by porn, and can come up with the money to pay for it themselves (which will limit how much they consume), I don't have a problem with them watching it. At least I'm being a responsible parent by doing that.

 

[BBGuy5240]

Right. Kids are find ways to get access to porn. That's just life. And it's up to the parents themselves to find ways to keep their kids away from those sites.

This whole thing pisses me off because it's so dumb, and it's so reactionary. Unless I missed some other recent scandal relating to porn video sites, all of this major focus now on adult sides is a direct reaction to the Pornhub scandal a few years ago. Let me be clear, the Pornhub stuff was horrific. I'm not trying in any way to diminish what happened over there. With that being said, C4S has always been very thorough regarding the content that's posted to their site. The vast majority of adult sites are thorough. All this law does is make things harder on content creators to put out content. Plenty of creators have a C4S store, while also having their own personal site.

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

I think a VPN gets around this issue. Can anyone confirm?

 

[DebonairDavid]

Right. Kids are find ways to get access to porn. That's just life. And it's up to the parents themselves to find ways to keep their kids away from those sites.

This whole thing pisses me off because it's so dumb, and it's so reactionary. Unless I missed some other recent scandal relating to porn video sites, all of this major focus now on adult sides is a direct reaction to the Pornhub scandal a few years ago. Let me be clear, the Pornhub stuff was horrific. I'm not trying in any way to diminish what happened over there. With that being said, C4S has always been very thorough regarding the content that's posted to their site. The vast majority of adult sites are thorough. All this law does is make things harder on content creators to put out content. Plenty of creators have a C4S store, while also having their own personal site.

Because we all share the same fetish, it'd be hypocritical for us to tell our own kids to not watch porn, so a much better option is to lead by example.

I looked up the Pornhub scandal just now, and apparently the owner was involved with sex trafficking. This would explain why C4S is now legally required to ID everyone who buys from them. Why this doesn't solve any problem (in fact makes the problem worse) is because someone who buys something from a studio on there isn't looking to be a model. Someone could argue giving away information like a credit card number could lead to the person being stalked, harassed, or even abducted, because it reveals so much information about a person, and I'm sure identity thieves have some connection to sex traffickers. However, that makes the studios who don't engage in sex trafficking guilty by association.

 

[U.N.Owen]

I think a VPN gets around this issue. Can anyone confirm?

It should, unless a federal law is passed to make it a blanket requirement from any user location.

 

[kingmaker]

It does not have to be a law, remember that pressure groups are pressuring banks and payment processors to stop service to adult websites unless they comply to more and more rules.

I've been told today that c4s is going to remove a ton of clips next month where the ID of the models was not put into their system.
Some old studios will loose 50 or 80 % of their content on c4s and they will be impossible to find online.

Right now the clips uploaded before 1st of september 2021 are grandfathered. But this is going to end very soon, according to my source. I still hope he did not understand well but he told me he was 30 mn on the phone with c4s big boss

 

[kingmaker]

Because we all share the same fetish, it'd be hypocritical for us to tell our own kids to not watch porn, so a much better option is to lead by example.

I looked up the Pornhub scandal just now, and apparently the owner was involved with sex trafficking. This would explain why C4S is now legally required to ID everyone who buys from them. Why this doesn't solve any problem (in fact makes the problem worse) is because someone who buys something from a studio on there isn't looking to be a model. Someone could argue giving away information like a credit card number could lead to the person being stalked, harassed, or even abducted, because it reveals so much information about a person, and I'm sure identity thieves have some connection to sex traffickers. However, that makes the studios who don't engage in sex trafficking guilty by association.

Not really.

They already enforced stuff for platforms and producers (and this is why we all upload the ID and contracts of models on c4s)

Checking the ID of customers comes from the idea that anybody (including children) can click Yes on a Pop up.

Feminist group argue that :
1) Porn industry is a lot of fake and Evil (which is mostly true for mainstream)
2) Male Children are raised with the idea that women are just objects, and it leads to rape culture when they become adults.

The problem is that while parts of it is true, there is no right way to verify the age of people on internet (credit card checks ruins website traffic, ID check ruins conversion rate ...), and of course privacy concerns.
By the way age verification is a cost / customer.

Note that the companies doing age Verification, to be fair, are pretty good at their job and I would not worry too much about ID leaking. But this arms the producers and platforms a lot more,

The perfect solution would be sex education, but there will always be bad apples anyway.
And doing something (even if it's a stupid or disproportionate solution) looks better than doing something good on the long term

 

[BBGuy5240]

I honestly don't care if someone's a hypocrite or not. If they don't want their kids seeing porn, whatever. But it's on them to figure out a way to keep their kids away from it. It shouldn't result in the state dictating it by law like they're doing now.

And damn, C4S really about to just purge a shitload of content? I'll have to start looking back through things and see if there are any great clips that I missed. Over the years, I have shifted more to customs orders than C4S purchases. Still, it sucks that so much content is just gonna removed and likely never seen again.

 

[kingmaker]

I've always told studios to harbor their clips on GT, we started to load old stuff with Last laugh studio last year, but it's too much work for studios to upload hundreds of clips fast.

The fetish community as a whole relies too much on C4S, people always put all their eggs in the same basket

 

[P[a]pi]

I assume eventually all porn and porn-adjacent things will be banned by govt, just a matter of time 🙁

 

[BBGuy5240]

There's really no other place like C4S, so I get why so many put their eggs in that basket.

I also think eventually the govt will takes more steps to limit the porn that people can access. It'll be done across multiple nations I fear. If you're someone doesn't like porn, fine. Nobody's making you watch. So don't watch. But don't ruin shit for everyone else. Let folks enjoy things.

 

[DebonairDavid]

Not really.

They already enforced stuff for platforms and producers (and this is why we all upload the ID and contracts of models on c4s)

Checking the ID of customers comes from the idea that anybody (including children) can click Yes on a Pop up.

Feminist group argue that :
1) Porn industry is a lot of fake and Evil (which is mostly true for mainstream)
2) Male Children are raised with the idea that women are just objects, and it leads to rape culture when they become adults.

The problem is that while parts of it is true, there is no right way to verify the age of people on internet (credit card checks ruins website traffic, ID check ruins conversion rate ...), and of course privacy concerns.
By the way age verification is a cost / customer.

Note that the companies doing age Verification, to be fair, are pretty good at their job and I would not worry too much about ID leaking. But this arms the producers and platforms a lot more,

The perfect solution would be sex education, but there will always be bad apples anyway.
And doing something (even if it's a stupid or disproportionate solution) looks better than doing something good on the long term

I remember looking up porn sites when I was 10 and how easy it was to bypass the age restrictions by clicking yes or entering a fake birth date on a pop-up. Like you said, there isn't a right way to verify a person's age, unless the government were to implement a facial recognition requirement, which is sadly becoming normalized, but thankfully the people who find facial recognition creepy are fighting back against it. Also, its funny how feminists and the religious right can wholeheartedly agree on that argument about porn, which shows the left and the right really aren't that much different from each other.

I honestly don't care if someone's a hypocrite or not. If they don't want their kids seeing porn, whatever. But it's on them to figure out a way to keep their kids away from it.

You may not have the "do as I say, not do as I do" mentality, but saying that is reinforcing it. Thankfully, because of how busy parents are, many of them will often avoid porn because they have to deal with work, a family to raise, and bills to pay. However, because it's become so commonplace for them to pacify their kids with technology just to shut them up for an hour, kids these days can easily look up porn, leading to the parents to be up in arms over it, despite technically being the ones who caused the problem in the first place.

I assume eventually all porn and porn-adjacent things will be banned by govt, just a matter of time 🙁

I also think eventually the govt will takes more steps to limit the porn that people can access. It'll be done across multiple nations I fear. If you're someone doesn't like porn, fine. Nobody's making you watch. So don't watch. But don't ruin shit for everyone else. Let folks enjoy things.

Despite the US Government slowly evolving into a communist state, I honestly don't think it will ever become like the CCP, mainly because a number of people who have become outraged over government surveillance and censorship have managed to fight back in a number of ways

 

[Toesheldback]

My friends and I got porn back in the day by “dumpster diving” for magazines. I’m glad they didn’t check IDs at dumpsters!

 

[DebonairDavid]

My friends and I got porn back in the day by “dumpster diving” for magazines. I’m glad they didn’t check IDs at dumpsters!

That's another way to get your fix

 

[BBGuy5240]

Well, this mass purge is set to go down within the next couple days. All C4S is doing is hurting it's own site and the creators who put in countless hours to support the site by sharing their content.

 

[kingmaker]

Yes I don't know when they will start removing the videos. Some I cannot updated because the name of the file is "wrapped" so it contains the word rapped.


Too much rules that are applied blindly and retroactively. Makes me fear about what will be next

 

[BBGuy5240]

All I've been seeing from creators is that it's set to go down sometime at the end of March. Which is where we're at now. C4S had some Q&A session today for creators, at 11 AM EST regarding the Content Standards Update, which tells me that this was them trying to hear from content creators one more time before shit gets rolling.

And I've seen creators highlight clips as recent as 2021 that are at risk. That's still very recent stuff. Customers are obviously gonna be hurt because once something's gone, it's gone forever. You're never gonna get to purchase it. But it hurts creators more, because they've worked their asses off for years. So much of their work, just gone. Part of me has been hoping that C4S maybe changes course, or at least gives creators a bit more leeway. But that doesn't seem to be happening. I expect the purging to go down during the next 48-72 hours. By Tuesday for sure, C4S is gonna look a whole lot different. And I hate saying that I want C4S to fail because of this, 1. Because I know that the site isn't going anywhere. 2. Because I know that creators need all the support they can get right now. But it's hard for me to continue supporting C4S knowing that they're doing content creators so wrong.

 

[kingmaker]

C4s is only applying bank policies. Albeit very littéraly because it's massive