What if everything you were taught or thought you knew turned out to be Bullshit

[Blue Shift]

It is somewhat Orwellian but more like Animal Farm "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Hmm yeah, I can see that too. In 1984 I was thinking mainly about Orwell's theme on misinformation, where the Ministry of Truth was forever manipulating the facts in books/newspaper archives to keep the masses ignorant of the real truth.

2+2=5!

 

[Adam Tickles]

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I,ve never thought about killing anyone,but I was supposed to fight this creep that I couldn,t stand for 3yrs before a floor hockey game in grade 9.He didn,t show and I couldn,t wait any longer so I went and played.While I was kneeling down to put my equipment away two of his goon friends came in and put the boots to me,I got a couple of good shots in and the bell rang so they left.There was blood on the floor and I thought that I must be a mess.I went over to the sink to see how bad I had been beaten.All I had was a couple of scratches on my forehead and a bloody swollen lip.While I was washing my face the guy I was to fight went walking by and went into the last stall.I freaked and when I heard the toilet flush I crashed the door as hard as I could and left him there moaning.I thought I would be expelled but worse than that I thought my Dad would kill me.By the time I had taken my books from my locker I didn,t care. I figured that if I was to be kicked out that I would go in style.I walked into the classroom and a good friend,Isabelle,looked up at me and said "Joey!No!The teacher paid no attention,he was writing something on the board,so I walked up to one of these goons and punched him as hard as I could right in the face.The teacher turned and said:"Joey take your seat", the other guy sat right behind me and held a hankerchief up to his nose,that,s where the blood came from,as I walked by him I elbowed him in the nose again.I had just sat down when I heard my name being announced over the speaker and was told to report to the office.I got kicked out of that school because there were three of them and only me and the guy I crashed the stall door on had parents on the school board,but I was able to finish grade 9 at another school.My Dad wasn,t angry at all,he thought that I did the right thing by standing up to bullies.Sometimes bullies turn into wimps when you refuse to back down.They never bothered me again.Sorry for straying from the subject.Now let,s get back on track.

Ive done a similar thing buddy. Had this weedy lil shit that used to always bully me, was a skinny fker that i could take easily but im not very violent person, also he always did it infront of a crowd or friends so i never knew who would back me up or join in to kick the shit out of me :S.. anyway one day i had just been having a shit day, cant member y now but i think it was girl trouble and my least fav lessons that day and a teacher had been a dick to me. This weedy lil shit was inside a classroom and i was outside it leaning against the wall next to the door, and the lil shit would open the door just enough to squirt a bottle of water over me then shut n lock the door so i couldnt get him. I tolerated it for a few times but got mader and mader each time he got me with the water untill the last time and i shouted 'Do that again ill fking nock u out u prick'.... and of course he did it one more time..... i just fking snapped. As he shut the door and went to lock it again i ripped it open with one hand and stomped in, he took a few steps back a lil suprised i ripped the door open with so much force, i walked straight up to him and punched him straight in the temple with a right hook, i punched him so hard and so fast i didnt even see my own fist fly towards him i just reacted so quick. The punch landed beautifully and nocked him out, lifting him off his feet and sent him spralled across the table to the side of him. he landed on the table and jolted awake half a second later.. i leant over him and said 'Stay the FUCK away from me' and then i walked out. Later my hand was killing me and i realised i had hit him so hard i had coursed ligament damage in my last two fingers of my right hand 😛 haha.. but the shit came up to me the day after and said sorry, shook my hand and he never touched me after that and i had a peacful last few years at that schl 😛 so yr stand up to ur bullies... there is a point when u just have to smack them one, wether ull win the fight or not they just need it !!!
:lol🙄scaredcry🙂:blink:drool

 

[Bator]

I,d like to quote from one of my heros, Joe Strummer: "We have been running around following our own little mouse trails, I am one of them, people act as they do because the humanity has been taken away and we need to take the humanity back, put it back into the centre of the ring and follow that for a time, think on that. People can change anything they want to, and that means everything in the world". But we can.t do it alone, we need to do it together. The generations before us, left us with a hellava mess and if we want things to be better it will be up to our generation to fix it and that will take a huge commitment. If we continue to let ourselves be bullied and lied to by our governments, what we have now will seem like a picnic when compared to how much worse it will get. We inhabit a world which is run by beggars and thieves.

 

[Relent<]

Like..the "Truman Show"?
I dunno, I think i'd be pissed initially, but then i'd have to go find real answers. Or were we supposed to entertain the question philosophically?

 

[hazelf1]

I think the whole world revolves around a sea of bull shit and hidden agendas.

It would be nice to be born into the same era as a 20 year old but with a 80 year olds knowledge of the same period.

 

[Bator]

Like..the "Truman Show"?
I dunno, I think i'd be pissed initially, but then i'd have to go find real answers. Or were we supposed to entertain the question philosophically?

The answer you gave was fine but you can be more philosophical if you like, there are no wrong answers, just individual opinions.

 

[Relent<]

well philosophically speaking, "Life is but a dream, So row your fucking boat." XD
Translation: if everything you thought you knew turned out to be wrong, then simply acknowledge that you don't know anything. Then move along.
Unless you're some sort of scientist, then the reality of the world shouldn't mean anything to you.

 

[Bator]

well philosophically speaking, "Life is but a dream, So row your fucking boat." XD
Translation: if everything you thought you knew turned out to be wrong, then simply acknowledge that you don't know anything. Then move along.
Unless you're some sort of scientist, then the reality of the world shouldn't mean anything to you.

You are saying that reality doesn,t mean a thing in this scenario so just move along and sing a campfire song:loljust kidding. Although much is flat out bullshit, other subjects can be misunderstood or misrepresented, theories{everyone has a theory about something and it may not necessarily be based in fact}, even scientists make mistakes, one pharmaceutical drug is better than another for treating the exact same condition, the drug companies know that there is more money to be made if we are ill instead of being healthy, somethings are completely ignored, omitted or hidden, we are bombarded with advertisements{they can,t all be the best}, the media creates news now instead of just reporting it, it,s ok to be hooked on energy drinks, caffiene, fast food, cigarettes and alcohol but if you smoke a joint you are a criminal{because the government missed the boat and can,t control it or get their cut of the profits} and look at how many religions are based on the bible, some interpretations must be wrong or at the very least misleading, there are only four gospels in the bible even though we now are aware that many more were written, who got to choose them and why just the four. Why are people neglected, homeless{when empty buildings are just sitting there} or without health care and the basic necessities of life while others make more money than they could possibly spend. These are just a few questions and statements that I would like to have answered or explained to my satisfaction but I know they never will be so I might as well shut up.

 

[Carnivore]

Hmm.. if you're living a dream, there's not way of knowing. It seems best to me to live the dream as if its reality, and then do the same when you wake up. In the same token, if you mean life is BS like 1984, then... I'd do my best to survive. Keep my head down, try not to rock the boat. Do what you can, cope with what you can't.

If you mean, 'if everything sucks' then... diversions from life are what you need. Games, drugs, sex, whatever floats your boat. Hm, that might qualify for 1984, too. If the world is crap, have a drink to forget it all.

 

[Relent<]

Ignoring that completely off-base pharmaceutical company analogy{XD, the world is divided into two parts; that which is true and unconditional, and that which is based on theory--which is to say the unknown. As we progress forward in history, we attempt to affiliate reality with the various results of centuries of trial and error, but at the end of the day, mankind knows no more than when it started, because the more questions we answer, the more difficult questions we are lead to ask until eventually we reach the limit of questioning--which is to say, that which is unanswerable given our current vast stores of data. The nature of reality itself is merely a very thin, very murky window of understanding, but the truth as it stands has never been further away than the moment we approached it. Its like a monkey reaching into a lake, trying to grab the reflection of the moon.
Basically, to reinforce my "life is but a dream" statement, the more truth we know, the more contrived our lies may become. The greater the known information, the easier it is to ignore realistic foundation. Humanity is madness, and madness humanity. Not only is there human error, but basic flaw of practice. Its why the world, as it stands, is in this perpetual cycle of rising and falling empires. The higher we build our sand castle the more it is likely to collapse when the winds blow, but the tides would destroy it eventually regardless. So our castles, our empires, our truth, is little more than theoretical; fantasy, if you will.

 

[Bator]

You are free to ignore anything you like but that doesn,t make it any less important or dissappear. This is another basic flaw, ignoring or pretending there are no problems until they affect them personally, as long at it is someone else, big deal, but when it happens to them then they are devastated and wonder how could this possibly happen to me, I thought I was invincible, I,m a good person, I,m intelligent, why? I,m not saying that we should walk around under a cloud of paranoia but just be aware. People are out there doing bad things to each other and it isn,t all obvious. Sarcasm and an over inflated sense of self importance doesn,t impress me in the least. This thread was created so people could voice there opinions openly whatever they are. There are much more serious problems to think about, like our future and the futures of our children.

 

[Relent<]

i didn't mean to come across as over-inflated or self-important, if thats what you're implying. But yes, the statements i've conveyed are only my opinions. i base them simply on the concept that life is cyclical rather than linear, so my view of things are going to belittle human experience as a sort of "trivial chasing of the tail" but these are, for the record, my opinions. I'm not saying to ignore the world; quite the contrary. I simply imply that the world should be treated as it is not as one perceives it to be. opinion or not, circumstances "are what they are" in most instances, and there is very little we as human beings (or any other organism for that matter) can do to stop them. If one is to address an over inflated sense of self importance, then it should be in regard to our species as a whole. Look at this latest 2012 phenomenon; we're so convinced the world will end.
But the truth is the world will not end simply because humanity dies out, if that does in fact happen to be the case. Are we so convoluted that we think that the planet won't reclaim every inch of pavement we have constructed over it? that without someone to feed them peanuts every animal will starve to death? Compared to most species on the planet, mankind is relatively new. And as such, i'm simply stating that man's view of the world, or perception of reality will not in any way alter the course of natural events. Everything begins, everything ends. sunrise, sunset, and the afternoon in between. So if everything we have come to believe ends up being a crock of shit between now and then, what difference does it make?
"No one should take life too seriously. Its not like anyone ever makes it out alive."

 

[Bator]

You are right, it has been a tremendous amount of fun arguing with you lately. I get the distinct impression that you are a right-wing Republican, while I on the other hand am an Anarchist. I dislike and mistrust governments{because they are made up of polititians, most of whom are liars, I mean lawyers}, big business corporations{bottom feeders}, the judicial system{more liars}, insurance companies{they gamble that you will die or have your property damaged in such a way that it will cost them nothing after you have paid your premiums for years}, pharmaceutical companies{not the drugs but the jerks who set the prices so high that the average person can,t afford them and will die without them}, lobbyists{no explaination necessary}, the filthy rich and just about anyone in a position of power who abuses it and chooses the bottom line or greed over people and throw Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O,Reilly and Jack Hannity in with them. I would like to see each and every one of them doing physical labour on a chain gang and given cigarettes and coffee as sustenance. I would even buy a ticket to watch.

 

[Relent<]

You are right, it has been a tremendous amount of fun arguing with you lately. I get the distinct impression that you are a right-wing Republican, while I on the other hand am an Anarchist. I dislike and mistrust governments{because they are made up of polititians, most of whom are liars, I mean lawyers}, big business corporations{bottom feeders}, the judicial system{more liars}, insurance companies{they gamble that you will die or have your property damaged in such a way that it will cost them nothing after you have paid your premiums for years}, pharmaceutical companies{not the drugs but the jerks who set the prices so high that the average person can,t afford them and will die without them}, lobbyists{no explaination necessary}, the filthy rich and just about anyone in a position of power who abuses it and chooses the bottom line or greed over people and throw Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O,Reilly and Jack Hannity in with them. I would like to see each and every one of them doing physical labour on a chain gang and given cigarettes and coffee as sustenance. I would even buy a ticket to watch.

Right wi--*slaps with glove* lol
I'm actually an independent, leaning more the democratic side if anything. I embrace government on the fundamental level that man, left to his own devices, is little more than a crafty animal. I don't like government, as I dislike most things, but it has evolved this way due to centuries of previous attempts at domination of an entire species by a select minority. We tried monarchy, totalitarianism, laisez faire, and the articles of confederation, but at the end of the day that shit didn't work. Lol
The only problem with anarchy is that once you tear everything down, you have no idea, or rather no intention, or rebuilding anything. It gets to that "so...now what?" point, and then you're pretty much back at the beginning; which is to say, some bastard with lots of money and supplies hoarded away will take control of the governmentless population, being as unjust and unfair as he pleases until we rebel, then appoint a new leader, who fucks us over, and we behead and appoint a new leader, in this succession until we come up with some sort of constitution (legislators and politician), some means of protecting that constitution(army, and or judicial branch), and somebody to handle the majority of our ignorant population in the meantime (ie a president, exectutive, public defender, etc)
We could be doing some things differently, sure, but as far as government goes i'd rather live here than in vietnam, or china. Or god forbid, russia.

 

[Bator]

Well, we had better try something else because it is getting more corrupt by the minute and the government loves ignorant people, in fact they depend upon them to get elected. I,m not even certain that there is such a thing as government anymore, just one huge worldwide corporation.

 

[Relent<]

i have several things wrong to point out about your presumptions, but this isn't the place. Lol

 

[Bator]

i have several things wrong to point out about your presumptions, but this isn't the place. Lol

Likewise.