what % of tickling fans have non-con fantasies?

[piyr]

All of mine are non-con but not in an angry way. I fantasize about people that I either like or don't know. I never fantasize about people I dislike. In fact, I used to have non-con fantasies about a women that I recently have come to dislike; and poof, fantasies are gone.

 

[Uktickler]

I like the non con tickling fantasies as a ler.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

I really don't and I only really like to play with people who enjoy it. The only person I like to tickle that isn't 100% into it is my husband.

 

[P[a]pi]

Not sure, but I do.

 

[David1975]

I love non-con as a Ler.

There's an element of anger when I want to victimize a man. I think it stems from a long-held frustration I've had when witnessing dom/sub relationships that follow the status quo of powerful men and weak women. My fantasies of noncon come from a vengeful desire to turn this on its head, and teach the typically dominant male what a strong, angry woman is capable of doing to him. And the best part of this fantasy is, that previously dominant man is stunned to find himself succumbing to the submissive mindset. This tends to give way to all manner of BDSM tendencies, not just tickling.

Wow. Just, wow......

 

[TicklingTips]

Personally, I definitely have non-con fantasies in both roles. However they are topped by my ultimate fantasy, and what I've been able to play out before, of having a very ticklish lee who absolutely loves it.

 

[ticklerpilot]

I think there is a good number of us that do, a lot of the fiction stories on here are of that nature

 

[lapetitemort]

I have lots of non-con tickle fantasies. Of course in all of them I am being tickled exactly how I liked to be tickled and the tickler knows just how to touch me and he does it over and over again because it's MY fantasy. 🙂

 

[Fisto]

95% of my fantasies are not just non-con, they are very extreme too. In my fantasies I like things I can't realistically have in RL, and those things are most interesting to me.

 

[Rectangle]

What kind of non-con are we talking about?

Jumping on a friend or crush and tickling them until they're red in the face?
Dogpiling on a friend with other friends?
That sort of tickling that happens as part of people's normal interactions out in the world?
Sure.

But breaking into homes, tying people up, slipping roofies into drinks, supervillain type "we have ways of making you talk" stuff?
Where you're tickling someone who doesn't like it on purpose outside of the bounds of friendship?
That sense of "Fuck you, I'm gonna get mine."



I honest to God have never had a true fantasy like that.

It's a turn off and I react angrily to the thought of it even.
Little ball of rage starts heating up inside of me when I think about it.
It feels like..rape.
I don't get turned on by rape.

It pisses me off.
I know a lot of people have unrealistic fantasies, Superman flying in to tickle them and stuff.
I can't detach my fantasies from a realistic base, so in order to have fantasies like that I'd have to detach myself from my humanity instead..
Become some sort of beast inside.
An inhuman pile of garbage that cares more for my own pleasure than someone else's soul.
Fuck up the rest of someone's life, with them rocking back and forth on the floor when they got home, weeping, trying to explain to loved ones what had happened.
Waking up in terror for years, thinking they're not alone. Sitting in restaurants and not being able to sit with their backs to doors. Breaking into tears in the middle of conversations.
Obliterating any sense of normal intimacy they'll have with anyone ever again, every close moment having to be forced, them having to tell themselves "It's ok, It's ok" everytime a loved one touches them. Panic attacks every time they see someone that looks like you. Asking themselves "Why did it have to be me?" over and over again, forever.
That's if they're one of the lucky ones. If not, a family member finds them with their brains blown out in the bathtub one day with a note that says "I can't take the fear anymore".

You've not just destroyed a life, you've fucked up a soul.
All because you wanted to bust a nut and wiggle some fingers.

In a civilized society we kill the people that do that to other people.
I want nothing to do with it.
Rape isn't "fun" to me.

 

[Wolf]

What kind of non-con are we talking about?
Jumping on a friend or crush and tickling them until they're red in the face?
Dogpiling on a friend with other friends?
That sort of tickling that happens as part of people's normal interactions out in the world?
Sure.
But breaking into homes, tying people up, slipping roofies into drinks, supervillain type "we have ways of making you talk" stuff?
Where you're tickling someone who doesn't like it on purpose outside of the bounds of friendship?
That sense of "Fuck you, I'm gonna get mine."
I honest to God have never had a true fantasy like that.
It's a turn off and I react angrily to the thought of it even.
Little ball of rage starts heating up inside of me when I think about it.
It feels like..rape.
I don't get turned on by rape.
It pisses me off.
I know a lot of people have unrealistic fantasies, Superman flying in to tickle them and stuff.
I can't detach my fantasies from a realistic base, so in order to have fantasies like that I'd have to detach myself from my humanity instead..
Become some sort of beast inside.
An inhuman pile of garbage that cares more for my own pleasure than someone else's soul.
Fuck up the rest of someone's life, with them rocking back and forth on the floor when they got home, weeping, trying to explain to loved ones what had happened.
Waking up in terror for years, thinking they're not alone. Sitting in restaurants and not being able to sit with their backs to doors. Breaking into tears in the middle of conversations.
Obliterating any sense of normal intimacy they'll have with anyone ever again, every close moment having to be forced, them having to tell themselves "It's ok, It's ok" everytime a loved one touches them. Panic attacks every time they see someone that looks like you. Asking themselves "Why did it have to be me?" over and over again, forever.
That's if they're one of the lucky ones. If not, a family member finds them with their brains blown out in the bathtub one day with a note that says "I can't take the fear anymore".
You've not just destroyed a life, you've fucked up a soul.
All because you wanted to bust a nut and wiggle some fingers.
In a civilized society we kill the people that do that to other people.
I want nothing to do with it.
Rape isn't "fun" to me.

You know, I get where you're coming from, but I think you're swinging pretty wide on this one.
Lots of people have fantasies. As abhorrent as rape is, studies show that a significant number of women have rape fantasies : https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies
Does that mean these women want to be raped? That they want to be assaulted, brutalized, and traumatized for life? Absolutely not. It means they have fantasies about not being in control, and since it's just a fantasy, they are still in control. You follow? It's like people going to a scary movie. It's a controlled thrill.
When people have fantasies, the vast majority usually understand that there are elements of the fantasy that simply wouldn't work in real life. It's like interactive fetish porn.
I don't think most people who have non-consensual fantasies get off on someone being scared, or traumatized. Because most people know that a lot of fantasies aren't workable in real life.
Someone who's being tickled against their will usually doesn't laugh and squirm and beg in an endearing way like they're in a video, you know?
I think most people understand that, even when they fantasize.

 

[Rectangle]

You know, I get where you're coming from, but I think you're swinging pretty wide on this one.

Eh?
With what?
My testament of the type of person I'd have to personally become to enjoy non-con, and why I personally don't want to go there?


Did you not catch this part? I added it specifically so people wouldn't think I was trying to cast a net over everyone.

I can't detach my fantasies from a realistic base, so in order to have fantasies like that I'd have to detach myself from my humanity instead..

Shucks.
I made it color coded and pretty so it wouldn't be missed.


I'm not "swinging wide", I'm speaking from a personal perspective.
Unless you think I didn't properly capture my own sentiments in my own post. 🙂

Does that mean these women want to be raped? That they want to be assaulted, brutalized, and traumatized for life? Absolutely not. It means they have fantasies about not being in control, and since it's just a fantasy, they are still in control. You follow?

Talking about different things.
Completely different things.
God is my writing style that bad at conveying ideas?

I'm not talking about fantasies of being dominated.
I'm talking about fantasies of dominating.
Non-consensually.
As in, without consent. No safe words. No underlying knowledge of being in control.
Girl is screaming she's going to call the cops and crying and guy keeps going on anyway.
Rape dude.

We're talking different things.




Edit:
Example that comes to mind right off the bat, is that one video of the supposed prostitute, that was supposed to be non-con, where she was trying to act as outraged as she could that it was happening. You know the one. Maybe not. I don't know.
It was posted on a subreddit I'm on a while back, and some of the comments exemplified what I'm talking about.
Stuff like:

"I wish this was real!"
"Fuck that bitch! I'd never stop tickling her!"
"She deserves it for being a ho. Wreck her."

That shit?
Those sentiments?
Those are true "non-con" fans in my head.


I can't put myself in that mindset, to have fantasies about that.
I couldn't separate the reality from the fantasy.
I'd be sitting there in fantasyland in my head like "I'm hurting this person".

I would never say "You know what? Gloves off, in a land of no laws, I'd really just like to rape a bitch".
Saying "You know what? Gloves off, in a land of no laws, I'd really just like to tie down and tickle a bitch" isn't much different in my head.
I'm not that guy.
That guy pisses me off.
..mainly because he scares the shit out of me.


Maybe it's me, maybe I have a deep seated misunderstanding of the fetish world's idea of domination and being dominated, and I'm rolling through here like a bull in a window store.
But the idea of doing stuff to people that they don't want done to them against their will freaks me the fuck out.

 

[The Internet]

The answer to the OP's original question is 53%.......53, 54%, thereabouts.......

 

[matt62]

I have non-con fantasies all the time (as a Ler). But as has been said previously, you don't want your fantasy (or real life) victim to be in such distress that they cut out of the experience entirely and the intimate connection between you is destroyed. Not unless you are pathologically into the power of it, to the exclusion of any erotic or human bond. In real life we soon learn that some level of consent is therefore desirable because we value that human connection between tickler and ticklee. Without it, the whole thing quickly becomes empty and meaningless.

Of course, in fantasy mode, it is so much easier than in real life to hit that nice balance straight away between ruthless non-con and reluctant-but-willing Lee who has become putty in your hands yet stays with it and doesn't curl up into a catatonic ball like an armour-plated armadillo...

 

[TKLVR18]

Define non-con?

Because that's kinda tricky.

There's this gray area that really scratches my particular itch, as a 'lee-not being told ahead of time and not having a say in it, but the 'lers being people I trust and who actually like me. Yeah I can hear you, "that isn't non-con" but isn't it? Non-consensual is, by it's very wording, just a lack of consent. Not giving the 'a-ok' ahead of time-and if that's the definition, yes I love non-con as 'lee and 'ler.

Does that mean I like nastily meant, cruel or merciless tickling? Nope.

I think that's what Rectangle's on about, btw, and I get it-but the definition of non-con is hard to pin down and different people have it in their head different ways. And yes, many people are way into what I term "enemy" tickling, tickling that gets so intense as to be unpleasant, or done by unpleasant people or in unpleasant and negatively humiliating situations. I'mma nope out of all that.

But I love the idea of tickle 'bullying' between friends. No I have no say in it, yes I'm going to get pinned/tied down and tickled until I scream for mercy and probably quite beyond that. Noncon? By some definitions. Unpleasant? Not for me. Hell, the idea of being kidnapped and getting the snot tickled out of me with no prior discussion by my friends is a long-standing fantasy of mine (not really a secret I keep well 😛 )

So what percentage of people are into non-con? Depends on your definition of non-con. And there's no right answer. People are into all sorts of things-if somebody gets turned on by the idea of kidnapping their coworker and tickling them past tears and desperation, that's okay. It doesn't mean they're going to go out and do it--people generally can keep fantasy from reality in that respect. Having the fantasy doesn't make a person 'bad'.

~K

 

[Rectangle]

I think that's what Rectangle's on about, btw, and I get it-but the definition of non-con is hard to pin down and different people have it in their head different ways.

I'm starting to get that impression.
I've always treated it as people wanting to basically molest someone against their will.
I need to work on that.

People are into all sorts of things-if somebody gets turned on by the idea of kidnapping their coworker and tickling them past tears and desperation, that's okay. It doesn't mean they're going to go out and do it--people generally can keep fantasy from reality in that respect. Having the fantasy doesn't make a person 'bad'.

Not at all, and I want to clarify that's not what I'm saying in my post up there.
For me personally, I don't really separate fantasy from things I want to happen.
I've never dreamed about having sex with Batgirl, for instance.

I'll think about crushes, people I know, my wife, situations that have happened or could happen.

I personally can't get my head into a frame of mind to fantasize about hardcore non-con stuff.
I couldn't, and can't, separate what in my mind I'm wanting to do and the harm it would be doing to who I'm doing it to.
But someone else that fantasizes about it? I've got no problem with whatsoever.

But someone who carries that fantasy into reality, or wants to watch others carry it into reality?
In it's most hardcore definition?
I'm so vehemently opposed to those people that I could honestly call them my enemies.

I overreact on here constantly because I'm very bad at distinguishing the line between the two.

 

[TKLVR18]

Oh no, I wasn't accusing you of saying that it made people bad, sorry for the confusion. I just kind of left that here as a reminder for people to kinda keep it civil. Noncon discussions frequently devolve into "You're sick" tossed around like a playground ball and I wanna avoid that if possible. I was just saying that I understand your aversion to the hardcore stuff 🙂

~K

 

[Wade]

But I love the idea of tickle 'bullying' between friends. No I have no say in it, yes I'm going to get pinned/tied down and tickled until I scream for mercy and probably quite beyond that. Noncon? By some definitions. Unpleasant? Not for me. Hell, the idea of being kidnapped and getting the snot tickled out of me with no prior discussion by my friends is a long-standing fantasy of mine (not really a secret I keep well 😛 )

Exceptionally well put, Karen. You've described the only kind of tickling I've ever experienced -- people only do it to me because they know I can't stand it, and because I'm protesting so vigorously -- and the dynamic that really appeals to me -- non-consensual, against my will, but playful, not vicious.

 

[robmic]

Exceptionally well put, Karen. You've described the only kind of tickling I've ever experienced -- people only do it to me because they know I can't stand it, and because I'm protesting so vigorously -- and the dynamic that really appeals to me -- non-consensual, against my will, but playful, not vicious.

You sound like the perfect 'lee!

 

[Wade]

You sound like the perfect 'lee!

That sounds like a compliment, but really it's just a recipe for getting tormented, isn't it?

 

[TicklesXXX]

Why did you not simply make a poll in this thread to discover it?

 

[robmic]

That sounds like a compliment, but really it's just a recipe for getting tormented, isn't it?

I wouldn't call it torment. You must get some pleasure out of being tickled or you wouldn't be here in the first place. I'd just take it to the next level for ya!

 

[-Hari-]

Exactly 76.4%, the maths is complicated so just take my word for it.

 

[FTickler]

Same here

 

[mariowuitomari]

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Non consensual tickling is the dream of any tickler, sure

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