what would you do in such dilemma

[DontAskJusTckle]

Don't ask. Just tickle.

 

[hlkkln]

You're the kind of guy who would say "She gave consent, officer! It's not rape!" If a girl doubles back on her decision to have sex with you, aren't you?

To adhere to the question, though. ('Cause I don't want to get tagged a morality officer.) I wouldn't do anything with her. I don't get pressed into sexual encounters. If I want to do something sexual, I do it on my own accord.

First of all there is nothing about sex in my question... it is just a question anyway. I just asked...

It can not be compared with rape because it is implied that it is just a professional act... they could bring a guitarist and he could gave up at last second... of course he can go away but it is discutable if it is fair or not..

In our case the birthday boy could rely on his friends who would never kidnap anybody , then notice that the ballgag with holls is safe for respiration and be satisfied that there is no problem then he could began the torture and evaluate the wild reactions as normal during the session and leave the ticklee to his friends... in such case he had ti be considered as a rapist?

After the session will the girl be right if she complaint? what she will say? May be the dialog will be like this

Ticklee: why did you keep tickling me
Tickler: my friends said they got agreed about it... isn't it true
Ticklee: yes it is true
Tickler: so what is the problem. .. do you have an health problem?
Ticklee: i m okay now
Tickler: so what
Ticklee: i was so harrassed during you tickle me, i suffered too much
Tickler: did my friends promised you that you would not suffer?
Ticklee: no but i relied on my mental resistance and i did not know i m so ticklish. You broke all my defenses and explored all my weak points that i did not know even.
Tickler: did i had to be a rookie tickler???


In this scenario does it come to ears as a rape? In this case the tickler do not feel to ask to verify any thing he is not a rapist... on the other scenario may be he got surprised from the Extreme reactions and got afraid of an emergent health problem a kind of crisis. Or may be he wanted to ask if she want to drink a glass of water...Then he learn that the only problem is that the tickling is too effective. He might gave up but if he opt to continue the only difference between the guy in the first scenario is that the first never thought there may be a problem but the second is more cautious and take a small break.

 

[LadyInternet]

My "Creepy Alert" just sounded!

This. What you're basically asking is: would you sexually assault someone if you had the opportunity to get away with it. Without consent, you're inappropriately touching someone for your own sexual gratification. This is a tickle fetish forum, don't give me bull that you're not getting off on it. And while its not technically "rape," its still a sex crime. So you should really take a step back and think about what you're saying. It is not acceptable, and makes you sound like a psycho.

 

[SoleMates]

aaaand here we go. Popcorn anyone?

FWIW, I'd take the gag off and talk to her first.

 

[hlkkln]

This. What you're basically asking is: would you sexually assault someone if you had the opportunity to get away with it. Without consent, you're inappropriately touching someone for your own sexual gratification. This is a tickle fetish forum, don't give me bull that you're not getting off on it. And while its not technically "rape," its still a sex crime. So you should really take a step back and think about what you're saying. It is not acceptable, and makes you sound like a psycho.

To add my answer up maybe i can ask you as.follows:

Lets think about 3 alternative behaviour and scenario:

First, the guy hear from friends that she has consent. It is true ar that time and the guy begin tickling and enjoy the hysterical reactions yelpings and writhes. They had to be normal for him. So he never knows that she gave up

Second, the guy ask just before the beginning and she confirm her consent then he gag her again and keep tickling til end. Torture became to much for her because of his technics but who knows? She is writhing wildly but isn't it thr case for a good session anyway?

Third, everything is same but after ten or twenty minute he see that she may need some water or a break. He give a break take the gag out and learn that she gave up just because the tickling is more effective than she tought. It could be for you enough for the end but this guy keep tickling after 5 minutes.

Can you say that in the first two scenario the guy is good but in the third he is a psyco?

 

[xX Yuna Xx]

Either way.. it wouldn't matter. I'm not a Ler and don't tickle other women so I'd release her and ask for the straps to be put on me 😛

(Doesn't always have to negative replies. lol)

 

[porcelaindoll2]

She is not kidnapped... she initially has the consent and got deal but when your skilfull nails began to work she want to give up from her act already done with her free will... then what you will do?

question then does she or does she not have a safeword? I always pay attention to safewords. I'd still probably ungag her at the start and a) make sure she wants to be gagged(If she says no I tell her to say red to stop) b) If she says she wants the gag then I'll set up a safeword while gagged. My safeword while gagged is double middle fingers. Safewords should always be apart of any scene and especially so if it is play with someone you don't really know.

 

[hlkkln]

question then does she or does she not have a safeword? I always pay attention to safewords. I'd still probably ungag her at the start and a) make sure she wants to be gagged(If she says no I tell her to say red to stop) b) If she says she wants the gag then I'll set up a safeword while gagged. My safeword while gagged is double middle fingers. Safewords should always be apart of any scene and especially so if it is play with someone you don't really know.

Yes i know but for me safeword is a word for safety. In other words for emergencies during the sessions. The ticklee may have health problems so the safewords help to signal the emergency. After a moment the tickler continue after being sure that the ticklees life is in safety. Personnally i think that just like the misuse of security buttons in metro is punished the use of safeword for nothing should be punished as well...
And if it is an activity of domination/submission with torture we should know that submission is submission and torture is torture. It means if the sub has the power to end the session unilaterally it means that she always keep her domination on her own body because she has still the authority to tell the last word even because she found the torture painfull. Okay such a torture musnt harm the body but if it is a torture the tortured sub should not have the authority to control the pain and to end the session because all tortures are painfull and they exist for it. Otherwise we can not talk about a real domination.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

I can totally understand what you're saying, but in your original post you never stated if she had a safeword? That is what I was mainly wondering. You said she was tied up, gave consent, and you had for an hour to tickle, but you never said if she was given a safeword. I was mainly saying I'd give her one.
To respond to what you just wrote yes I can fully agree that a safeword shouldn't be used to get out early and should be used for safety, but if I were to give her a safeword and she used it right away it would be up to me to decide to stop. There is mental safety as well as psychical safety. If she looks and acts hysterical when she safewords I'd end the scene.

 

[hlkkln]

I can totally understand what you're saying, but in your original post you never stated of she had a safeword? That is what I was mainly wondering. You said she was tied up, gave consent, and you had for an hour to tickle, but you never said if she was given a safeword.

It never happened 🙂 it is just a fantasy... and you are right in this scenario no safeword is given in original story neither in the latter one... the hogtied pacquaged gift is given after having deal by the friends. ..

Lets be honest. .. to think that the ticklee is not disturbed of the torture stop my enjoyment. I m a squemish sadist 🙂 i want to think the victim truly suffering but also i want to be sure that it is something fair. In my fantasies the victimes deserve this punishment... and also i want to be sure that even a smallest trace will not last more than twenty minutes. I hate bleedings or any damages but i want to see intensive torture. So that i m interested on tickling i like it because i know that it is possible to apply it during days to the extend the victim would be exhausted but nothing would left aftermath

And lastly about safeword causing end of session i agree you but i want to express simply that this safeword application must not devaluate or undermine the dominance of the dom. In other word the.decision to end the session is or should be up to you as tickler and you take the responsibility of physical and mental health of the ticklee so that it will be your decision to be taken by your discretion and a slave should know that she will be a slave temporily during the time of the session and should feel the sensation of not having control even on her toe for that period

 

[puretickling]

Would not would tickle her feet for hours

 

[porcelaindoll2]

You just pointed out why I am not and never will be a slave. Subs still have some say.

 

[hlkkln]

You just pointed out why I am not and never will be a slave. Subs still have some say.

Yeah... but not the last word

Your sub use safeword (she has some say)...you have to stop for a while then she want the session to end but if you are dominant it is up to you to end or to continue the tickling. Otherwise you are just serving her tickling desire for her pleasure. Arent i right?

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Yeah... but not the last word

Your sub use safeword (she has some say)...you have to stop for a while then she want the session to end but if you are dominant it is up to you to end or to continue the tickling. Otherwise you are just serving her tickling desire for her pleasure. Arent i right?

Well first of all there are service tops, but to what you said. Yes when a sub safewords you should always stop, but it is ultimately up to the Dom/Domme if they want to end it. Then all the sub can hope is the dominant isn't a douchebag that feels subs are their personal play things and they only feel their pleasures should be full-filled even if the sub doesn't want it. Also hopefully the Dom/Domme doesn't scare the sub into submission either. I had a Dom once that did this I was scared half to death to safeword. I was worried more about what would happen if I did. Don't worry that D/s relationship ended real quick with me ending it.

 

[hlkkln]

Well first of all there are service tops, but to what you said. Yes when a sub safewords you should always stop, but it is ultimately up to the Dom/Domme if they want to end it. Then all the sub can hope is the dominant isn't a douchebag that feels subs are their personal play things and they only feel their pleasures should be full-filled even if the sub doesn't want it. Also hopefully the Dom/Domme doesn't scare the sub into submission either. I had a Dom once that did this I was scared half to death to safeword. I was worried more about what would happen if I did. Don't worry that D/s relationship ended real quick with me ending it.

Yes being dominant is not being selfish but if there is a dominance the final decisions should be taken by the dom. If the sub has the decisif authority to end the session it means that she is the real dom 🙂 if a ticklish sub like the sensation of tickling she can tickle herself but if a dom is necessary it means that the loss of total control by the sub is needed.

Okay if the dom is too rough and do not have mercy it is up to the sub to make or not the next session but the total authority should belong to the dom otherwise i can define the tickler as the real servant who obey the ticklee who like to be touched in a ticklish way...

 

[rhiannon]

Your sub use safeword (she has some say)...you have to stop for a while then she want the session to end but if you are dominant it is up to you to end or to continue the tickling. Otherwise you are just serving her tickling desire for her pleasure. Arent i right?

No, you're wrong! If the sub says the safeword and asks for the session to end, it ends. Safeword CAN mean a break, but it can also mean the end of the session, and it's the sub who decides, not the dom.

Have you ever had a real session at all?

 

[hlkkln]

And lastly about safeword causing end of session i agree you but i want to express simply that this safeword application must not devaluate or undermine the dominance of the dom. In other word the.decision to end the session is or should be up to you as tickler and you take the responsibility of physical and mental health of the ticklee so that it will be your decision to be taken by your discretion and a slave should know that she will be a slave temporily during the time of the session and should feel the sensation of not having control even on her toe for that period

Well first of all there are service tops, but to what you said. Yes when a sub safewords you should always stop, but it is ultimately up to the Dom/Domme if they want to end it. Then all the sub can hope is the dominant isn't a douchebag that feels subs are their personal play things and they only feel their pleasures should be full-filled even if the sub doesn't want it.

Okay... it seems that you wrote exactly what i have been trying to express since yesterday 🙂 it is good 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

... it seems that you wrote exactly what i have been trying to express since yesterday 🙂 it is good 🙂

Yeah, but in that scenario you painted, you were the douchebag that porcelaindoll2 mentioned....

 

[hlkkln]

Yeah, but in that scenario you painted, you were the douchebag that porcelaindoll2 mentioned....

Yes but she said also that a sub can simply hope that i m not a douchebag 🙂 but it is up to me so long as i m in dom position. .


Otherwise it will be a paradoxal situation: the final decision in the initiation of the tickling is taken by the ticklee and if the ticklee has also authority to end it what kind of submission we are talking about 🙂 the ticklee will be implicitly the dominant while the tickler is just a servant who obey 🙂

Then tell me who is the sub who is the dom?

 

[rhiannon]

Then tell me who is the sub who is the dom?

The real dom is actually the sub. 🙂 Sorry to ruin it for you. 🙂 Of course the dom can always ignore that, but be assured he won't have a sub to play with again next time. So the reality is that the dom better respects the wishes of the sub - otherwise he is a bad dom.

I ask again, did you ever have a real session?

 

[porcelaindoll2]

The real dom is actually the sub. 🙂 Sorry to ruin it for you. 🙂 Of course the dom can always ignore that, but be assured he won't have a sub to play with again next time. So the reality is that the dom better respects the wishes of the sub - otherwise he is a bad dom.

Can I get an amen! Jesus it sad that a lot of dominants never realize this.

 

[rhiannon]

a lot of dominants never realize this.

Those are the wannabe- or fantasy-doms. 🙂

 

[hlkkln]

The real dom is actually the sub. 🙂 Sorry to ruin it for you. 🙂 Of course the dom can always ignore that, but be assured he won't have a sub to play with again next time. So the reality is that the dom better respects the wishes of the sub - otherwise he is a bad dom.

I ask again, did you ever have a real session?

I m terribly sorry... my mother tongue is not english so i learn the english words through a dictionary and it seems that it mislead me 🙁 i though that dominants dominate but as i said it is not my fault it is rather an error of printing may be...

And there is an Unfortunate fact that several girls are tickled mercilessly despite their helpless wriths like those of fishes in fisherman's net and despite their beggings expressing that they can not take it, just because of a silly mistake of a dictionary 🙁

 

[rhiannon]

Dominants DO dominate - but it is just a game! And every sub has limits. The dom cannot read thoughts, so the sub gets a safeword. And if that safeword is called, the dom has to pause and check what is going on. If the sub wants the session to end, it ends, no matter what the dom might want in that moment. The minute the dom ignores this, he is crossing borders that he is not supposed to cross. Being dominant doesn't mean you can do whatever you want!

And believe me: most subs won't even safeword because they can't take the tickling anymore, they will safeword because something is wrong. Because they are in pain, feeling dizzy, need to breath. I didn't safeword once during my last session.

 

[rhiannon]

despite their beggings expressing that they can not take it

Those beggings are part of the game and don't mean the dom has to stop! It's different with the safeword.