What's this guy doing out of jail?

[Laugh]

Forget about human lives and kids being raped. Let's go hang Michael Vick for cruelly assaulting dogs and send him death threats.. yeh! C'mon people, let's put our priorities in order here!!

 

[kis123]

Forget about human lives and kids being raped. Let's go hang Michael Vick for cruelly assaulting dogs and send him death threats.. yeh! C'mon people, let's put our priorities in order here!!

Boy O' boy!

I'd love to see the commentary coming behind this! Although it's a little early, looks like it's time to break out the popcorn...... and watch the interesting responses.

And I'm glad someone other than me brought it up this time; it might end up disappearing in obscurity instead

 

[Jagermeistered]

Forget about human lives and kids being raped. Let's go hang Michael Vick for cruelly assaulting dogs and send him death threats.. yeh! C'mon people, let's put our priorities in order here!!

Why not? But, why death threats? Just throw him in a ring of voracious animals. Society leading by example... A magician, Roy(of, Siegfried and Roy) was bitten by a tiger; a "killer whale trainer," was almost eaten by a killer whale. Fuck them!

If society as a whole despises animal abusers, throw the animal abuser with the animals. The animals will be fed, and the abuser will understand one thing before their last breath: eye-for-an-eye...

 

[Jagermeistered]

Boy O' boy!

I'd love to see the commentary coming behind this! Although it's a little early, looks like it's time to break out the popcorn...... and watch the interesting responses.

And I'm glad someone other than me brought it up this time; it might end up disappearing in obscurity instead

I give-up on my anti-war stances(that I used to have), and pro-peace is only achievable thru pro-death. It can be killing human murderers or animal abusers. Just fucking kill them, and make an example out of them. Sure, there are pacifists in the world, their judgement should mean nothing - and, fuck their regressive bugaboos and thought processes.

My only main point... Kill people who violate private property rights!

 

[Cosmo_ac]

What does race have to deal with aggression? For instance, Charles Manson looks like Saddam Huessein in my eyes. Why is that old ****** allowed to live off the taxpayers dime? Why is any cracker, nigger, spick, beaner, Jew, Indian; you get my point - is allowed to live when they violate private property rights?

First, the point i was making was that we don't choose where our own taxs get spent. Second, you either have a really low opinion of charles Manson, or a really hight opinion of Saddam, given the huge differences in thier actions. Third, your going to have to go a little more into detail with the "Private Property rights" for me to understand why a person should be killed for violating them.

The "jail system," is probably the worse invention ever conceived of. It is counter-productive because the least productive(criminals), do not have to do shit. Yes, they are imbedded in a concrete and steal blockade, but who pays for their confinement? The productive people, right?

I wouldn't say that. I imagine their are plenty of people who have done productive things in prison. The "Scared Straight" program comes to mind, off the top of my head, plus any number of prisoners who have gotten educations in prison. However, Prisons aren't created for the purpose of productivity.

Cosmo, you kill my best-friend, and you are sentenced for life in prison. I hate(or, try to "forgive") you. Either way, when I work, my income/spending is forcibly taken from me(taxes), so you have food/beverages, clothing, library, television, medical assistance. Yes, that is justice!

Justice is a personal concept. Whats justice to one person isn't to another. Personally, i prefer the view on the subject that one radio personality once shared, in that we have a legal system, not a justice system.

 

[Jagermeistered]

First, the point i was making was that we don't choose where our own taxs get spent.

So, we are not a Republic, I have been posting that forever. 😉

Second, you either have a really low opinion of charles Manson, or a really hight opinion of Saddam, given the huge differences in thier actions.

I am sure you meant "their" actions... I see them as the same. Kill both of them. Wait, one out of two...

Third, your going to have to go a little more into detail with the "Private Property rights" for me to understand why a person should be killed for violating them.

Why do I have to go into detail?(See my previous posts before your rebuttal)... A person kills another person without their consent, so the killer(aggressor) should be allowed to live? I was hoping you understood my definition of "private property rights" from hello. You do not own your own body? How about your head? What about your fingers or toes? Who owns those things? That Watson, is "private property rights."

I wouldn't say that. I imagine their are plenty of people who have done productive things in prison. The "Scared Straight" program comes to mind, off the top of my head, plus any number of prisoners who have gotten educations in prison. However, Prisons aren't created for the purpose of productivity.

What are they trying to scare them from? "Don't do drugs, or I will fuck you in the ass when you get in here!"

That is not progress, but egalitarianism...

Justice is a personal concept. Whats justice to one person isn't to another. Personally, i prefer the view on the subject that one radio personality once shared, in that we have a legal system, not a justice system.

Yes, a dumb fuck system indeed... "Legality" - is a disease... It creates a system so complex, that the aggressors will not see justice, and the defense attorneys do not need to compete.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

So, we are not a Republic, I have been posting that forever.

To be honest, government titles have never been something i've been overly good at.

I am sure you meant "their" actions... I see them as the same. Kill both of them. Wait, one out of two...

Actuallly, that entire sentence was more or less a giant clusterfuck. My fault for multi-tasking.

Why do I have to go into detail?(See my previous posts before your rebuttal)... A person kills another person without their consent, so the killer(aggressor) should be allowed to live? I was hoping you understood my definition of "private property rights" from hello. You do not own your own body? How about your head? What about your fingers or toes? Who owns those things? That Watson, is "private property rights."

It's not my fault that you take a phrase and reinvent the meaning of it, or my responsibility to read other posts you've made to other people get a better understanding of what you were trying to say when addressing me.

That being said, I would say that we own our bodies, until laws state otherwise, which they do in multiple cases. Ie, for example, usually it is a guardian who has the say if a child will undergo a medical procedure or not. The laws of the government might state that they have the right to take a persons life, for whichever reason. The government also can force people to take medication which has effects which alter a person's body, physically, or chemically.

What are they trying to scare them from? "Don't do drugs, or I will fuck you in the ass when you get in here!"

That is not progress, but egalitarianism...

How is that egalitarianism?

Yes, a dumb fuck system indeed... "Legality" - is a disease... It creates a system so complex, that the aggressors will not see justice, and the defense attorneys do not need to compete.

Yes, it is complex, and thats because life is complex.

 

[Jagermeistered]

It's not my fault that you take a phrase and reinvent the meaning of it, or my responsibility to read other posts you've made to other people get a better understanding of what you were trying to say when addressing me.

Before I waste my energy with the rest of your rebuttal... How am I "reinventing" - "private property rights"? You do know government is a creation before evolution/creation(what ever you want to call it)...

Also, you should be not be responsible for my posts, but shoot holes threw them. If you can not, why are you trying to rebut with nonsense?

Cosmo: "The government also can force people to take medication which has effects which alter a person's body, physically, or chemically."

This is called, egalitarianism - if you promote it. Please go first, but if you try to make me a sacrificial lamb: it is time to blow somebodies brains out...

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Before I waste my energy with the rest of your rebuttal... How am I "reinventing" - "private property rights"?

Never have I heard of people's bodies being refered to as "Private Property Rights". The only time I have ever seen this prase spoken, it was to do with property such as material possesions, and with pets.

You do know government is a creation before evolution/creation(what ever you want to call it)...

Sadly, you've lost me here.

Also, you should be not be responsible for my posts, but shoot holes threw them. If you can not, why are you trying to rebut with nonsense?

Hardly nonsense. My point was that i don't plan on reading every post you make to other people, because it might be related to the post you addressed to me.

This is called, egalitarianism

Once again, you've lost me.

Egalitarianism, from the deffinitions i've seen, state:

noun
1.
belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, social, or economic life.

2.
active promotion of this belief.

You'll have to explain to me how mandated perscription pills equal one of these deffinitions.

Please go first, but if you try to make me a sacrificial lamb: it is time to blow somebodies brains out...

I have to ask if your feeling alright. Your posts seem to be a little...off of late.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Never have I heard of people's bodies being refered to as "Private Property Rights". The only time I have ever seen this prase spoken, it was to do with property such as material possesions, and with pets.

Then we do not need to move this debate onwards after all. 🙂

 

[IrishFireFighte]

I was in that mall 3 hours prior. It is bothering me horribly.

 

[Laugh]

Boy O' boy!

I'd love to see the commentary coming behind this! Although it's a little early, looks like it's time to break out the popcorn...... and watch the interesting responses.

And I'm glad someone other than me brought it up this time; it might end up disappearing in obscurity instead

The point I was aiming at Kis was the a-hole in this thread was a legitimate threat, (someone with child porn is obviously mental) yet was wearing only an ankle bracelet. He was walking around freely and not one word said. We see the end result.

Michael Vick actually went to prison, served his sentence and did time from his admitted crimes. That alone should say a lot but people act as if it never happened. He has apologized so many times it's a wonder he can even call signals from lack of voice. He has given his time and money over and over again to help make amends for his crimes. There is very little else this man can do to say "I did it. I'm sorry. I'm trying my best to make up for my crimes." Yet even after all this, he gets personal death threats as well as his kids being threatened (what did they ever do?) during a book tour. Vick cannot change what he did. Yet he is constantly smacked over the head with it over and over and over again. He killed dogs. DOGS.

The criminal in this post KILLED A HUMAN WOMAN AND RAPED A CHILD.

If someone can't see the difference in those two they seriously need help. If someone can't see the criminal level of difference between Vick and what Vick did, as compared to the a-hole who murdered a woman and raped her child they seriously need help. If they let the a-hole out tomorrow he would more than likely murder and rape again in a heartbeat. Do you really think Vick would kill a dog again? If you had to invite one of the two to your home for dinner which would you choose?

 

[kis123]

The point I was aiming at Kis was the a-hole in this thread was a legitimate threat, (someone with child porn is obviously mental) yet was wearing only an ankle bracelet. He was walking around freely and not one word said. We see the end result.

Michael Vick actually went to prison, served his sentence and did time from his admitted crimes. That alone should say a lot but people act as if it never happened. He has apologized so many times it's a wonder he can even call signals from lack of voice. He has given his time and money over and over again to help make amends for his crimes. There is very little else this man can do to say "I did it. I'm sorry. I'm trying my best to make up for my crimes." Yet even after all this, he gets personal death threats as well as his kids being threatened (what did they ever do?) during a book tour. Vick cannot change what he did. Yet he is constantly smacked over the head with it over and over and over again. He killed dogs. DOGS.

The criminal in this post KILLED A HUMAN WOMAN AND RAPED A CHILD.

If someone can't see the difference in those two they seriously need help. If someone can't see the criminal level of difference between Vick and what Vick did, as compared to the a-hole who murdered a woman and raped her child they seriously need help. If they let the a-hole out tomorrow he would more than likely murder and rape again in a heartbeat. Do you really think Vick would kill a dog again? If you had to invite one of the two to your home for dinner which would you choose?

I know exactly what point you were making and I couldn't agree with you more.

And I think Michael Vick has definitely learned his lesson........

Unfortunately you have people that would step over a dying human to save a dog.....I don't get it because that wouldn't be me.......ever. He did his time, paid his debt to society (repeatedly) and is trying to move on with his life. Enough is friggin' enough already! The more I deal with people, the greater respect I have for my cat! People can be horribly unforgiving and we're supposed to be so evolved......

BUT I DIGRESS........

And that said a-hole had no business being in the public without a thorough psychological exam (and I bet he didn't have one or it was not good enough).

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Forget about human lives and kids being raped. Let's go hang Michael Vick for cruelly assaulting dogs and send him death threats.. yeh! C'mon people, let's put our priorities in order here!!

Figured i'd ask. What does Michael Vick have to do with this case in any way, shape, or form?

 

[Laugh]

The title of the thread is "What's this guy doing out of jail?", a statement of question as to why someone isn't in jail when it's so obvious they should have been. A statement meant to reflect the mishaps of the justice system and to give an example of a possible result of such mishap.

My original comment was meant to display the priorities of society, when someone who has served their time and went to jail is being given death threats and being treated even worse than someone who has done a lot worse and should have been in jail. An example of a possible result when someone follows the justice system.

Why is Vick being treated like he's done more than this guy? Connection point being Vick was actually "in jail".

It's not that hard to connect the dots.

 

[Bothersome]

Well, I think the dots were a little harder to connect because your example was so far out of left field that nobody really had any idea what dog assaulting had to do with child pornography.

There was certainly a better example to be found, but I get what you're saying.

 

[kis123]

The title of the thread is "What's this guy doing out of jail?", a statement of question as to why someone isn't in jail when it's so obvious they should have been. A statement meant to reflect the mishaps of the justice system and to give an example of a possible result of such mishap.

My original comment was meant to display the priorities of society, when someone who has served their time and went to jail is being given death threats and being treated even worse than someone who has done a lot worse and should have been in jail. An example of a possible result when someone follows the justice system.

Why is Vick being treated like he's done more than this guy? Connection point being Vick was actually "in jail".

It's not that hard to connect the dots.

Looks like I'm the only one who caught on to what you were saying........

Here's a hug for lack of a high-five or handshake emoticon....

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Well, I think the dots were a little harder to connect because your example was so far out of left field that nobody really had any idea what dog assaulting had to do with child pornography.

There was certainly a better example to be found, but I get what you're saying.

I think this is a bit of an understatement, given that the only thing the two instances have in common is both broke the law, but whatever.

 

[Laugh]

Looks like I'm the only one who caught on to what you were saying........

Here's a hug for lack of a high-five or handshake emoticon....

Thanks Kis. Jagermeistered caught on straight away and gave his opinions on the matter. Bothersome offered I could have probably given a better example but still he gets what I was saying. If three out of four caught on to what I was saying I think it makes my point.

 

[C.A.B.]

Thanks Kis. Jagermeistered caught on straight away and gave his opinions on the matter. Bothersome offered I could have probably given a better example but still he gets what I was saying. If three out of four caught on to what I was saying I think it makes my point.

Three out of four is stellar round these parts

 

[Cosmo_ac]

The point I was aiming at Kis was the a-hole in this thread was a legitimate threat, (someone with child porn is obviously mental) yet was wearing only an ankle bracelet.

How was he a threat?

He was walking around freely and not one word said

What do you base this off?

Michael Vick actually went to prison, served his sentence and did time from his admitted crimes. That alone should say a lot but people act as if it never happened. He has apologized so many times it's a wonder he can even call signals from lack of voice. He has given his time and money over and over again to help make amends for his crimes. There is very little else this man can do to say "I did it. I'm sorry. I'm trying my best to make up for my crimes." Yet even after all this, he gets personal death threats as well as his kids being threatened (what did they ever do?) during a book tour. Vick cannot change what he did. Yet he is constantly smacked over the head with it over and over and over again. He killed dogs. DOGS.

You act like pedophiles are welcomed back into the community with welcome arms when they get out of prison. They are not. Michael Vick didn't just kill dogs, he was part of a large ring of dog fighting events, as well as hosting them at his place, and himself engaging in crually killing dogs. I don't blame people for not forgiving the man. Of course, death threats are wrong, and should not be sent.

The criminal in this post KILLED A HUMAN WOMAN AND RAPED A CHILD.

And whose acting like it isn't a horrible thing he did?