Where do the 'lees come from in vids?

[BigJim]

Just to clear something up (in case my earlier comments were misleading) but I never meant to imply that companies didn't pay the models.

What I meant was, that a lot of times when a company reaches a certain level of notoriety the girl will approach them without having to be advertised for and ask if they can be amodel. MY example of Rachael Smith of RealTickling was like this. Sure they paid her, but I think she contacted them through their e-mail link on their web-site.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Not too sure about a "myth" about models coming up to producers asking to be tickled for no pay, even less producers who don't pay their models (unless it's a very personal project with friends, a girlfriend or something). It doesn't make much sense to me. I can't imagine there are many people out there so interested in being tickled that they'd agree to be tickled silly in front of a camera, often in bondage, and to have that footage be sold around the world to a fetishist clientele. I certainly never get any free volunteers.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of vendors pay their models. And even then, I find that very few people are willing to take the plunge. The context of the market, that is, fetish-like, is enough to discourage most potential candidates, even when it's just tickling without nudity. I'd get a lot more willing models if it weren't for the adult nature of the videos.

Personally, a lot of my advertisement is on college campus billboards. Once in a while I place an ad in a newspaper. I've found candidates in a more direct ways, but it's really rare. I don't have many contacts and it's not like I can ask most of the people I know if they're interested. It's kinda touchy to bring it up, and most people I hang with or used to hang with have jobs and have no real need for the money. Besides, like DVNC said, it's not like the typical salary a model gets is in the thousands of dollars. Even a college student with a serious need for money will think about it twice (and then some) before posing for a video of this nature.

Of course, it's always better to work with models who, while interested in the money, are at least somewhat interested in the project itself. It's best if they can actually enjoy doing a video, if tickling can be a fun game (even it's not always easy for them). But aside from a few rare exceptions, you don't attract models just because they think it's a cool project. Usually, the money does a good part of the talking. And I'm afraid it doesn't talk all that loudly.

Such videos definitely aren't for everyone. A model has to be playful, open-minded, comfortable with the context of the market, willing to go through a good dose of tickling, and she has to trust the producer (a critical issue). Some would be just fine with doing a video like this but are too suspicious of the producer's motives to give him/her a chance. They think there has to be a catch. The only "catch" that I know of is that the videos are meant for a fetishist clientele, but I don't hide that fact from the models in any way, making sure they understand the context perfectly well. Yet some think there must be something more (as if the adult context weren't enough to discourage potential models). Others are fine with everything about the project but drop out because they talk to friends and family about it and are discouraged from doing it. Of course, these "helpful" people give their advice without knowing anything about the project, which is understandable but frustrating. Others are ok with the tickling aspect and actually find it a cool and fun project, but prefer not to get involved in a video that's basically meant for an adult audience.

My personal experience is that model recruitment is a frustrating process at best, and my success rate is very low, even though I feel my approach is the best combination of professional and friendly, as reassuring as possible. It's just not for everyone. While I'm sure other vendors have an easier time that I do, finding models is a struggle for me, in spite of the non-nude aspect of my videos.

 

[Neutron]

You Don't Get My Point...

I KNOW all this stuff, you are preaching to the choir here. (Hey I'm an Altar Boy LOL).
My point is this:

1: Image from a video gets posted.
2: People comment on the images in a positive light.
3: Someone says Gee (insert producer) you're a lucky guy, how do you get to tickle this lovely lee?
4: Producer thanks everyone for their comments about his images, yet ignores the question about how he got to tickle the lady. He could easily answer the above question with Oh we paid her.
5: Go to producers website, you most likely will see other images of the lady just lounging around, or in other posed non tickling pics which are meant to make you believe Oh this was just a casual meeting that broke out into a video shoot.


See what I mean??? That is how a myth is perpetuated, the producer gives a tacit approval to the thought process that because he's some dynamic Hugh of tickling that these ladies just show up because of HIM not the money.


Tron

 

[Myriads]

There is no dark secret here. Fetish companies hire models for videos. Some pay cash, others provide photo work or web ready material in trade. But an exchange is made where time is swapped for cash or goods.

When companies start off, they do the ad thing that some posters mentioned above. Once they become 'known' in an area, local agencies will send models, or women working on other shoots will mention that work can be found with producer so-and-so and the advertising becomes unneedful. The fetish video model community is small in cities like LA or Vegas, and word gets about. So yes women do pop up and ask for work. But money still is the root of it all.

People pop up at Playboy everyday asking to be models. They too expect to make dollars in trade for thier bodies exposure. They are not there for Hef. They are there for a payday.

Myriads

 

[The Last Laugh]

Re: You Don't Get My Point...

Producer thanks everyone for their comments about his images, yet ignores the question about how he got to tickle the lady. He could easily answer the above question with Oh we paid her.

I can't talk for everyone else, but I always answer that question whenever someone asks me. I don't see why I wouldn't, since it's the easiest way and it's the truth anyway. Besides, doesn't it go without saying that in most cases the models get paid?

Go to producers website, you most likely will see other images of the lady just lounging around, or in other posed non tickling pics which are meant to make you believe Oh this was just a casual meeting that broke out into a video shoot.

I guess we don't visit the same web sites. I'm not aware of many producers who claim that the sessions are totally spontaneous (none come to mind). Sometimes a video's scenario suggests a spontaneous situation, but even then we know it's just a planned setting, and I find it hard to imagine that producers would claim otherwise. Oh, there are exceptions, but your post suggests a generalization of the phenomenon, which I don't see at all.

See what I mean??? That is how a myth is perpetuated, the producer gives a tacit approval to the thought process that because he's some dynamic Hugh of tickling that these ladies just show up because of HIM not the money.

I have to respectfully disagree with that. I see very little indication that producers try to let people think that the models don't pose mainly for the money (though in some cases the models are indeed interested in the project, which is an ideal situation). And I don't think most people are likely to believe it anyway. I certainly don't pretend that models pose for me just to make me happy. Video sessions may be more or less improvised, but I think people are smart enough to know it's also somewhat planned and that the models get paid. I don't understand the notion of a myth about it.

 

[BigJim]

While I'm sure other vendors have an easier time that I do, finding models is a struggle for me, in spite of the non-nude aspect of my videos.

Oddly enough Francois you would probably have a higher sucess ratio if you did more adult-themed films. I think there is a higher quantity of girls out there who are adult models and are willing to do harder stuff for selling than there are "girl next door" types frmo your local college, who would do the mild stuff. Strange eh? But I bet it's true nonetheless.

One thing I will say as someone who owns three of your releases, I think you shuold get more involved with the tickling yourself. You seem to have had some negative comments about producer participation in the past, but from the brief moments in alpha and the majority of the tickling you did in delta, I would say that you're a better tickler than most of the girls in the vids. Speaking personally I would prefer to see a guy doing the tickling well than a girl doing the tickling without much knowledge of how to get some shrieking. Of course you get instances like the time that girl clammed up and lost all her ticklishness when you tried to demonstrate what her friends should be doing, but I would'nt imagine that all were like that...

 

[The Last Laugh]

Oddly enough Francois you would probably have a higher sucess ratio if you did more adult-themed films.

An interesting point that has crossed my mind in the past. I could see that some reasonably open-minded people might be more comfortable doing something more hardcore but more mainstream than something so unusual as tickling, even if there's no nudity. It's just not a well-know social phenomenon, unlike typical adult movies (for which people are better prepared, I guess).

However, while I'm sure it might be true in some cities, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Quebec City. It's a city of moderate size and people are rather conservative overall, at least when comes to the adult industry. I still think I'd be killing The Last Laugh if I required nudity. Not that I'd be interested to do nude videos even if it were possible, so it's a moot point.

You seem to have had some negative comments about producer participation in the past, but from the brief moments in alpha and the majority of the tickling you did in delta, I would say that you're a better tickler than most of the girls in the vids. Speaking personally I would prefer to see a guy doing the tickling well than a girl doing the tickling without much knowledge of how to get some shrieking.

That may be true to some extent, but to be honest I'm not entirely comfortable taking care of most of the tickling myself. I'm lucky enough to get a few willing models, I don't want to risk making some of them uncomfortable with to much of what's basically physical contact. Also, having someone else to do the tickling allows me more freedom with the camcomder. Besides that, I was under the impression that that more ticklephiles preferred F/f to M/f. I do myself. Simply having a female tickler, may she be ticklish or not herself, is often an advantage.

By the way, wait until you see the models in Last Laugh Epsilon. I think they did a pretty good tickling job, and there are some things that they did that I simply couldn't do myself.

Taking care of most or all of the tickling myself wouldn't be so bad if I were good looking. I mean, I assume that even hetero men are more tolerant of an attractive male tickler. But I can't say I'm much to look at, and I'd rather avoid displeasing customers by appearing too often. As for only allowing my arms and hands to appear, that's rather limiting. I did it in the first half of LLG, and it worked well, but there's a limit to what I can do.

That said, what I try to do at times is to lend a hand, adding a pair of hands to get more reactions out of a model, often keeping her mind busier by "attacking" her in two places at the same time. Maybe I don't do it enough, though. It's just that when a scene goes well enough, I find it hard to let go of the camcorder. I mean, I do enjoy tickling, but when I do a session the most important thing is to get good footage. The question is whether I should sacrifice a bit of reactions for a more dynamic video.

I find it intriguing that you mention Last Laugh Delta as an example of my tickling skills. My records indicate you haven't seen that particular video, aside from the sample clip. I can't say that any clip is a good indication that my technique, being so (relatively) short. I know you're quite familiar with Last Laugh Alpha, though.

Another thing is that I remember you once told me that you prefer regular laughter to screaming. I would assume it wouldn't matter if a tickler weren't capable of making a ticklee shriek, heheheh!

Of course you get instances like the time that girl clammed up and lost all her ticklishness when you tried to demonstrate what her friends should be doing, but I would'nt imagine that all were like that...

Not all, but it does happen. Sometimes it's just a matter of technique. I might be better than average, but I'm far from a pro tickler, and sometimes a model has a better touch than I do.

In other cases, as you suggested, the ticklee reacts less to my own techniques for reasons that are obviously psychological. Then I don't have a choice but to let her friend work on her by herself.

 

[BigJim]

I still think I'd be killing The Last Laugh if I required nudity. Not that I'd be interested to do nude videos even if it were possible, so it's a moot point.

I'm not interested in seeing nude vids from you either. I just wondered if you'd get a better turnout if you searched elsewhere for models, besides the local college.

Besides that, I was under the impression that that more ticklephiles preferred F/f to M/f. I do myself. Simply having a female tickler, may she be ticklish or not herself, is often an advantage.

Some guys hate the f/f stuff. Areenactor is one. Other than that most people are ambivalent about what sex the ler is. I know you have a penchant for posting market research polls Francois, did you do one on this subject?

By the way, wait until you see the models in Last Laugh Epsilon. I think they did a pretty good tickling job, and there are some things that they did that I simply couldn't do myself.

The mind boggles!!!

Taking care of most or all of the tickling myself wouldn't be so bad if I were good looking. I mean, I assume that even hetero men are more tolerant of an attractive male tickler. But I can't say I'm much to look at, and I'd rather avoid displeasing customers by appearing too often.

Some guys hate the f/f stuff. Areenactor is one. I don't care if it's m/f or f/f personally, so long as the lee is good; she's the star yanno? I would'nt give an arse if the Elephant Man was the ler.

I find it intriguing that you mention Last Laugh Delta as an example of my tickling skills. My records indicate you haven't seen that particular video, aside from the sample clip.

Arse!!! It's all Greek to me!!! The three I've got are Alpha, Beta and Gamma. One of those had you as the sole tickler of a girl in stocks. It was the one where you crossed your arms behind her head to tickle her armpits, so her head was resting on the X of your wrists. Betcha think I pirated Delta off someone now don't you? 🙁

Another thing is that I remember you once told me that you prefer regular laughter to screaming. I would assume it wouldn't matter if a tickler weren't capable of making a ticklee shriek, heheheh!

I meant screaming like we got from the girl in Non-Con 1 from Paradise Vision. That's different to screaming in deliscious hysterics. The PV video girl sounded like she was being disembowlled by a rusty screwdriver.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Originally posted by BigJim I just wondered if you'd get a better turnout if you searched elsewhere for models, besides the local college.

Newspapers are a good way to reach a wider sample of the population. But I can't do it too often, as it would get too expensive. There aren't many places that come to mind where I could post ads, to tell the truth. I'd have to approach people directly, and I'm not ready to do something like that.

Some guys hate the f/f stuff. Areenactor is one.

Heheheh, yeah, I've noticed (no offense, Areenactor, you're entitled to your preferences). But I think there are many more guys who like F/f than people who hate it.

Other than that most people are ambivalent about what sex the ler is.

But the tickler must still look decent enough. I wouldn't want my ugly mug to appear too often. I'm afraid I'd lose potential customers. And I still think more people on the TMF prefer F/f to M/f. Maybe there are more ambivalent people than people actually prefer F/f, but I'm really not sure about that. Besides, I happen to prefer F/f and to see myself in my own videos as little as possible.

I know you have a penchant for posting market research polls Francois, did you do one on this subject?

You know, I don't even remember. It's possible. If I did I don't really remember the results. Or maybe I do subconsciously and that's what makes me think there's a good market for F/f. I'll have to check.

I would'nt give an arse if the Elephant Man was the ler.

I do believe that most people do think the looks of the ticklee are more important than the looks of the tickler. But I certainly wouldn't say it doesn't matter at all. Of course, the Elephant Man may be an extreme example.

Arse!!! It's all Greek to me!!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!

The three I've got are Alpha, Beta and Gamma. One of those had you as the sole tickler of a girl in stocks. It was the one where you crossed your arms behind her head to tickle her armpits, so her head was resting on the X of your wrists.

That's Last Laugh Gamma. Yeah, that was an interesting position. Simple, but neat.

Betcha think I pirated Delta off someone now don't you? 🙁

Nah, I know you would never do something like that. I just found it intriguing and a little strange that you mentioned LLD in particular.

I meant screaming like we got from the girl in Non-Con 1 from Paradise Vision. That's different to screaming in deliscious hysterics.

Ah, I see. It's just that you were referring to Last Laugh Beta, in which Lisa's verbal reactions tend towards a variety of squeals and screams, with some laughter too. She does sound like she's in trouble, but not genuinely tortured. To my knowledge, anyway. Whatever, I see what you mean, and you're right.

The PV video girl sounded like she was being disembowlled by a rusty screwdriver.

I can't say I've had the pleasure (?) of seeing that one.

 

[BigJim]

DEFINATLEY not a pleasure!!! It nearly made me choke on my Horlicks seeing it.


Just out of interest Francois, have you ever thought about sourcing a modelling agency who specialise in adult theme models? You'd be able to virtually custom order the girl you wanted. Might take a few shots, but it might work.

As for being worried about your looks, dude you ain't got nothing to worry about. Elliot Shear regularly makes himself look a total **** in the green balaclava and the child-molester glasses. (So called because he's nearly a dead ringer for a bloke I collared in a school playground once; I think I told you about it in e-mail.) If Elliot Shear can win the Tosser Of The Decade Award and not hurt FMC's sales, then a perfectly normal bloke like you can ler in a vid and not harm them. At least, that's my opinion. I know you don't agree, but all power to yer elbow. Let's hope the sales go through the roof soon.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Originally posted by BigJim Just out of interest Francois, have you ever thought about sourcing a modelling agency who specialise in adult theme models? You'd be able to virtually custom order the girl you wanted. Might take a few shots, but it might work.

You mean here? In Quebec City? Heheheh! The adult industry here almost non-existent. There may be some, but I'm not aware of any fetish clubs or local adult publications or whatever. No useful resources around here. Much less adult model agencies. Besides, I assume hiring such models, especially through an agency, isn't cheap. There's no way I could afford that.

As for being worried about your looks, dude you ain't got nothing to worry about.

Hmm, if you're referring to my picture in the member picture section of the TMF, that's a fairly flattering shot of myself. I wouldn't bet on many people being enchanted if I appeared in one of my videos more freely. Maybe not a video killer, but not a good selling point either.

Let's hope the sales go through the roof soon.

Hmm, well, I don't expect my business to boom anytime soon. The Last Laugh survives for now, but that's about it. But thanks for the encouraging words, and I do hope I'll have more success in the future. Who knows?

 

[Iggy pop]

Re: Oh I Realize..

That actually knowing someone helps. In my dealings with Jeff I've never found him to be the least bit arrogant, however by default he does perpetuate the myth that these ladies just show up and say Jeff please tickle me and video tape it. When someone posts under one of the images he so generously posts (and yes he does post great images here) I've yet to see him say, "Oh yes I payed her" when someone asks why he got the chance to tickle so and so. Therefore he does contribute to the "myth". Again I am not faulting him because most people here don't seem to understand it's a business. But when given the chance he should correct it. This isn't flaming, nor am I taking anyone to task. I think it's a good education for those who want to know where these ladies come from, and why they allow themselves to be tickled on video.


Tron

Does he really have to say he "paid her"? I though that was understood. Is there anyone out there who thought he didn't pay his models. I do not think there is any kind of myth. I think when most people ask where did you find so and so model, what they are asking is where do you find a girl that was willing to be tied, tickled, and videoed for money.

 

[BellaRisa]

Re: Re: Oh I Realize..

Does he really have to say he "paid her"? I though that was understood. Is there anyone out there who thought he didn't pay his models. I do not think there is any kind of myth. I think when most people ask where did you find so and so model, what they are asking is where do you find a girl that was willing to be tied, tickled, and videoed for money.

Thank you Iggy, I was thinking the same. Usually when people ask they want to know how the ad was phrased, where it was posted and how much the model was paid, that kind of thing. I've never had someone assume the models were lined up outside the door. Let me add that most producers don't answer the 'where do you get the models?' query these days because we've already answered it many, *MANY* times since we started, and by now either some kind soul will fill the person in or they'll search a bit and find a past post. I feel the same about "where are you ticklish" and "what's your favorite spot" and the like, I just can't answer those anymore... 🙄 🙂

Bella

 

[Neutron]

Arrrgggghhh

I'm nOT saying everytime one posts an image from a video that they need to say Oh yes we paid her!!!
I never even implied that!!

BUT when someone says Gee (insert name) how were you so lucky to be able to tickle this young lady?? I would love to see the producer say, It wasn't luck, it was Benjamins.


Tron

 

[tickler_n_black]

Re: Arrrgggghhh

BUT when someone says Gee (insert name) how were you so lucky to be able to tickle this young lady?? I would love to see the producer say, It wasn't luck, it was Benjamins.


Tron

i understand what you're saying neutron. and its actually true and i may be guilty of it myself sometimes when someone says "tib you're so lucky to be able to tickle that hot momma." so please let me clear the air once and for all. im speaking for myself only but all of the following almost certainly applies to every other producer.

I) i've never tickled a model that wasn't paid for her time and laughter. the pay may come in the form of royalties but its still payment that way too.
(now i've tickled very attractive ladies in my private time that did not involve payment but also did not involve cameras.)

II) models do not line up to get tickled because they think it's so sexy and wonderful and erotic. it's their job and they do it for the money. sure some of them may have a good time during the shoot but money is the issue. not many women would put their face, body, and voice on a fetish video to be sold worldwide, for free. that's a fact.

III) you think it's different when the video is F/F? no way. both models in any female to female video are there to be paid. the myth that almost all women are bisexual is way outta proportion. they're not hot for each other (accept some videos involving Priscilla, lol). they are there for the money.

having said all that i would like to add that it turns out that even though models come to tickling videos for the money, kathy and i have become good friends with quite a few of them. so a real relationship can grow from such a thing so thats kind of cool.
but money is why they allow themselves to be tied up and tickled.
money money money! the world revolves around it. 🙁
just think if the world revolved around love like it is supposed to.

 

[Neutron]

TIB..

Note I said you were the only honest one when it came to acknowledging this. I did post a rather simplistic version here, simply because most of the members here are simpletons.

I was not just talking F/F vids, or even F lees. I only used those as an example because I only buy those types of vids. I also sort of figured you and Kathy might be a bit of an exception.

My point is, no where at Realtickling will you see pics of models just lounging by a pol , or smoking a cig. It's about tickling, and not trying to create animage that these ladies just show up, lounge around and then say, Hey lets shoot a tickling vid or pics.

You of all the producers have acknowledged the lees are models, and even told of the problems with Female ticklers.

In fact I used you as the good example of honesty. Your post here just backs up my point.

Tron

 

[The Last Laugh]

Neutron, please stop being a troll. There's no possible way that you really think all those things that you're saying, so you're obviously just trying to cause trouble on the TMF (why you even bother coming here is beyond me). I'm sure that you're actually a lot more reasonable than that, that you understand the real situation perfectly well, but just don't want to admit it. Because then it wouldn't be any fun for you anymore.

I do agree with you on one point, though. TIB is indeed an honest and professional producer. I just don't think he's the only one, and it makes no sense to say that ALL other producers are a bunch of liars.

 

[Iggy pop]

Re: TIB..

My point is, no where at Realtickling will you see pics of models just lounging by a pol , or smoking a cig. It's about tickling, and not trying to create animage that these ladies just show up, lounge around and then say, Hey lets shoot a tickling vid or pics.

Tron

I don't think anyone is creating an image that these women don't get paid. I believe almost all us know they are getting paid. To repeat it is just pointing out the obvious. It's already understood. So they lounge around the pool. Big deal, that just means they are in relaxed work environment.

 

[tickler_n_black]

Re: TIB..

You of all the producers have acknowledged the lees are models, and even told of the problems with Female ticklers.

In fact I used you as the good example of honesty. Your post here just backs up my point.

Tron

oh. neutron i apologize. after re-reading my post i think that maybe you think my entire post was directed at you. the only part of my post that was directed at you was the "i know what you mean" part. 🙂
the rest was just thrown out there to anyone and everyone who cares to listen about the current subject.

 

[tickler_n_black]

I do agree with you on one point, though. TIB is indeed an honest and professional producer. I just don't think he's the only one, and it makes no sense to say that ALL other producers are a bunch of liars.

absolutely true statement.

 

[tickler_n_black]

Re: Re: TIB..

So they lounge around the pool. Big deal, that just means they are in relaxed work environment.

um. i need to speak up on this one. are you serious? 🙂 i doubt any tickling video shoots in the history of the world ever involved the models "lounging around the pool" (without being paid for their lounging time) either before or after a video shoot. time is money to them. they are not necessarily there to make friends and hang out. they want in. want to shoot. get paid. go back to their families or boyfriends.

and i think people use the words "models" (in the plural form) a little to much. truth be told one model is almost all that ever is at a video shoot at one time. it's not like the playboy mansion and 3 or 4 models are lounging about laying on the floor and pool chairs filing their nails having a corona. 🙂

i mean i've had people email me and say things like "can i stop by and hang out with all the models and watch all the shoots?"
i'm like WHAT? LOL. there aren't any models here right now. they don't live here ya know. LOL.

now if the model previously had/has a great and long standing relationship with the producer then i can see maybe a "come on over use the hot tub, we'll shoot an hour or two of video" type of situation...

hey wait! i'm getting carried away here. this subject doesn't warrant me spending this much time typing about it. 🙂 LOL. i'm outta here. take care all. 🙂

 

[Neutron]

Thank You TIB..

And Francois, I never said anyone was a liar, perpetuating a myth is not lying. At least two producers here do create the impression that the models or model just shows up, hangs around and lounges then says oh lets tickle.

I never called anyone a liar, how about I use the words totally honest instead.


Tron

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Re: Re: Re: TIB..

i mean i've had people email me and say things like "can i stop by and hang out with all the models and watch all the shoots?"
i'm like WHAT? LOL. there aren't any models here right now. they don't live here ya know. LOL.

Oh come on, TIB! We KNOW you're Hugh Hefner and do all the shoots at the Playboy Mansion! You can't fool us! LOL 😉

Ann

 

[The Last Laugh]

Re: Re: Re: TIB..

i mean i've had people email me and say things like "can i stop by and hang out with all the models and watch all the shoots?"
i'm like WHAT? LOL. there aren't any models here right now. they don't live here ya know. LOL.

No kidding? HAHAHA! That's pretty amusing. Some people have very unrealistic ideas about how it all works.

Personally, while I haven't had anyone ask if they could hang out with the models that are supposedly lounging in my pad and watch, I did get a number of offers from people who asked if they could help out with the tickling, or get tickled by the models. Neither option seems very appropriate to me.

I mean, I don't think many of the regular girls I work with would be thrilled at the thought of having a fetishist guest help out. What about myself, you ask? Well, I do like tickling, but I'm also quite professional with the models, and I'm there to make serious (if fun and amateur) videos, not to get my jollies tickling some girls.

As I've told a few people in the past and even explained on the TMF once or twice, more often than not the actual sessions aren't all that fun for me, because I'm too busy dealing with technical issues and worrying how the models are feeling. It's very stressful, as so many things can go wrong. Whatever fun I have is mostly limited to knowing that I'm getting good material for a potentially good video. I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's definitely not the dream come true that some people seem to think it is.

Going back to the model issue, it's not like I have a pool of models I can draw from anytime I feel like doing a tickling video. I actually struggle to find one or two decent models once in a while, and I have to quickly make a video with them before they get disinterested. Usually, after I get to make a video (which is rare), we're pretty much done working together. I don't "accumulate" models. And I definitely don't have a ticklee harem hanging around my lame 2-room apartment, heheheh!

By the way, a brief message for Neutron:

You may not specifically have used the word "liar" to describe most producers, but you did say "Note I said you [TIB] were the only honest one when it came to acknowledging this", suggesting that, as far as this whole "myth" of yours is concerned, most producers are dishonest. Being dishonest isn't far from being a liar in my book.

 

[Neutron]

Re: Re: Re: Re: TIB..

By the way, a brief message for Neutron:

You may not specifically have used the word "liar" to describe most producers, but you did say "Note I said you [TIB] were the only honest one when it came to acknowledging this", suggesting that, as far as this whole "myth" of yours is concerned, most producers are dishonest. Being dishonest isn't far from being a liar in my book.

Who is this poochak?? Earlier in this thread I specfically stated I'd do business with any producer here. They've all treated me well. Being dishonest about one simple facet does not make one a liar about everything. To me a liar is a far different thing than being dishonest about somethings. I liar is a noun that labels a person. Dishonest, when taken in context is simply a trait. Maybe you best learn the difference pup...


Tron