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Why Bill Maher is a great American

likeasong said:
If Maher really wants to sell us on socialism or leftwing ideals, he will never compare it, or the Superbowl, to Tila Tequila. That's just disgusting.
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Unfortunately the biggest (and all too often fatal IMO) flaw in comedic political shows like Maher's is that the jokes often take priority over the ideas. I actually cut out an entire paragraph that had nothing to do with Maher's central theme because it was just a distracting joke IMO. It's a shame that American audiences have been dumbed down to the point where only infotainment -- as opposed to pure information -- will get the ideas through to most of them, or at least keep them from drifting off to the nearest pure entertainment or pornographic outlets. :huh
 
jts963 said:
Unfortunately the biggest (and all too often fatal IMO) flaw in comedic political shows like Maher's is that the jokes often take priority over the ideas. I actually cut out an entire paragraph that had nothing to do with Maher's central theme because it was just a distracting joke IMO. It's a shame that American audiences have been dumbed down to the point where only infotainment -- as opposed to pure information -- will get the ideas through to most of them, or at least keep them from drifting off to the nearest pure entertainment or pornographic outlets. :huh
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Meh, I dunno. I for one would have jumped at the opportunity to go to college long ago if it didn't involve me drowning to death in a torrent of student loans.

Once upon a time, education came to those who wanted it. Now upon a time, education comes to those who have lots of money to toss in the air. A lot of American audiences are dumb as fuck, but not all of them are necessarily to blame.

Edit: And I would apply for scholarships, however due to some unfortunate coincidental events that occurred near the end of my high school career, I was unable to finish. Not to mention that due to a nasty phase of laziness I picked up during middle school, my high school transcript wasn't very appealing.
 
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Splitting hairs, but I'm pretty sure it's still officially referred to as the "Theory of Evolution." Based in fact, but not actually "fact".

LOL @ Levi Johnston joke. As a Pirate fan, I agree wholeheartedly.

And finally, Go Steelers! 🙂
 
GiveMeFeet said:
Splitting hairs, but I'm pretty sure it's still officially referred to as the "Theory of Evolution." Based in fact, but not actually "fact".

LOL @ Levi Johnston joke. As a Pirate fan, I agree wholeheartedly.

And finally, Go Steelers! 🙂
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I think that evolution is a fairly factual concept. I mean, things evolve all the time, in many different senses of the word. Technology evolves to fit our needs, culture evolves, everything evolves to some degree.
I don't understand why people can't understand that since everything else in our lives evolves, why can't life have evolved as well?

Excuse me for the crude comparison, but did our cellphones start out as tiny handheld devices? No, they did not magically poof into existence as they are now. They EVOLVED from cruder, less advanced forms.

Based on that, is it really so hard to imagine life doing the same?
 
PurpleStyle said:
You are the one who brought it up, and now you're just upset because somebody is disagreeing with you. If you have the right to complain about somebody belittling your logically unsound belief system, then we have the right to retort. Freedom of speech works both ways, you would do well to remember that when railing on other people.

However, please feel free to preach to us, if it behooves you to do so. We could use a good chuckle.
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even if Rifleman isn't preaching, there are PLENTY of those evolution "is just a theory" types who do.
 
GiveMeFeet said:
Splitting hairs, but I'm pretty sure it's still officially referred to as the "Theory of Evolution." Based in fact, but not actually "fact".
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Yeah, as I tried to point out, there are also "theories of gravity", specifically Newton's theory of gravity and Einstein's theory of gravity. Neither is about whether gravity exists. Even babies are aware of gravity. So we all know that gravity is a fact, not a theory. A theory of gravity is about how gravity works. Likewise, a theory of evolution (Darwin's is not the only one) is about how evolution works.

You're right, the language can be confusing. It would be better to say "Newton's Theory about Gravity" or "Darwin's Theory about Evolution", but we're stuck with the language we're stuck with. The scientists didn't anticipate a bunch of anti-scientists using the scientific jargon to attack science itself.
 
All-in-all, I enjoy Maher. He was the first and only person who pointed up how the Republicans shrewdly reinvented themselves as the "Tea Party" after the abysmal fail of the 'W' years.

He does sometimes go a tad overboard, though. While I have an inherent distrust of most matters of Faith, I thought he was a bit hard on "believers"(of all strpies) in his Religulous documentary. He got his point across, but I dunno if it was necessary to wield a crowbar to do it.
 
PurpleStyle said:
You've no need to make such wild, sarcastic assumptions. I'm merely informing you that if you wish to rail on other people for their beliefs, you can expect it back in kind.



The fallacy in your logic is comparing "leftwing ideals" to socialism. Try again.
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When did I rail at anyone except you for trying to cram the Big Bang Theory down my throat where a dot suddenly appears in a place where there was no place, nothing existed at all including light, darkness, time, space, heat, cold or any forces of resistance. It begins to spin faster and faster, getting hotter and hotter but there was no friction or resistance against it to cause this to happen because they did not exist. The dot continues to get even hotter expanding tremendously in size and finally blows up sending everything it contains including the very essence of life into an astmosphere which didn,t exist to be held in place by the force of gravity which didn,t exist either in this place, unless this very dot brought the opposing forces against it and the mechanism to hold them in place after being dispersed along with it{quite a trick}. This dot must have also been spinning in two separate directions at the same time or how do you account for the fact that Venus and Uranus are moving counter to the other planets. Where did it come from? How did it materialize? Why did it come to this placeless place? How did it get here? What exactly was it? Big Bang is a theory, the scientists and professors who teach it can,t even explain it although they do insist on us believing it because an unproven science tells them to. Evolution is a theory as well and they are both apparently part of a religion, a very well funded religion but a religion none the less, you just don,t realize that you are a part of this religion but you do preach it very well indeed and I,ll give you kudos for that.
 
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3030rifleman said:
When did I rail at anyone except you for trying to cram the Big Bang Theory down my throat wher a dot suddenly appears in a place where there is no place, nothing exists at all including light, darkness, heat, cold, . Itr
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As opposed to a sentient being popping into existence for no particular reason with no particular purpose other than to create a universe far more massive than we can possibly imagine, and make a race so infinitely puny that they'll only take up the smallest of small fractions of this enormous space.

Makes perfect sense.
 
I will make a request to cease and desist on the religious talk, as it sort of derails the original argument that this thread's about. Please, kill each other over politics, but not religion. Go make a religion thread so I can say, "Stop trying to kill each other over politics!"

Also! Since I'm awesome-mod, who, barely does any work around here, but definitely loves conversation, I just wanted to point something out.

PurpleStyle said:
...Freedom of speech works both ways, you would do well to remember that when railing on other people.
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Freedom of speech only applies between the peoples and its government, not on private web servers hosted by private citizens in the United States.

Anyway, stop pullin' hair, lets get back to the political rampage. "Round TWO!"
 
I have HBO now..i should watch Maher..he's always fairly witty..however he is wrong about one thing..this is one US citizen who will not be watching the Super Bowl..hubby will but not me.
 
TheChameleon said:
Freedom of speech only applies between the peoples and its government, not on private web servers hosted by private citizens in the United States.

Anyway, stop pullin' hair, lets get back to the political rampage. "Round TWO!"
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Nowhere on that private web server is there a rule stating I cannot point out factual errors. That said...

3030rifleman said:
When did I rail at anyone except you for trying to cram the Big Bang Theory down my throat where a dot suddenly appears in a place where there was no place, nothing existed at all including light, darkness, time, space, heat, cold or any forces of resistance. It begins to spin faster and faster, getting hotter and hotter but there was no friction or resistance against it to cause this to happen because they did not exist. The dot continues to get even hotter expanding tremendously in size and finally blows up sending everything it contains including the very essence of life into an astmosphere which didn,t exist to be held in place by the force of gravity which didn,t exist either in this place, unless this very dot brought the opposing forces against it and the mechanism to hold them in place after being dispersed along with it{quite a trick}. This dot must have also been spinning in two separate directions at the same time or how do you account for the fact that Venus and Uranus are moving counter to the other planets. Where did it come from? How did it materialize? Why did it come to this placeless place? How did it get here? What exactly was it? Big Bang is a theory, the scientists and professors who teach it can,t even explain it although they do insist on us believing it because an unproven science tells them to. Evolution is a theory as well and they are both apparently part of a religion, a very well funded religion but a religion none the less, you just don,t realize that you are a part of this religion but you do preach it very well indeed and I,ll give you kudos for that.
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First of all, I didn't bring up the BBT at all in this topic. I didn't expect you to swerve wildly off into left field, but you've made the mistake of challenging an astrophysicist.

The universe was never "a dot". It did not "spin", get "hot", or "blow up". These approximations are flawed, vague, and oversimplified. If you can't be bothered to at least look up the ideas you're trying to debunk on Wikipedia and read the articles containing information cited from NASA and several educational institutes, then why would you even entertain the idea that you somehow know things about the universe that droves of PhD-holding researchers do not?

Seeing as I'm not your teacher, I will not spell it out for you. You obviously lack the proper training in Calculus and Physics as it is. However, in the spirit of helping my fellow human being, I invite you to research the following topics at your convenience:

Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation
Galactic redshifting
The Hubble Constant
Cepheid variable stars
Metallicity
Supernovae
The Tolman surface brightness test
Sunyaev–Zel'dovich effect
The Sachs-Wolfe effect
Dark Matter
The Casimir effect
The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe

Top it off with a good paper on determining cosmological parameters

If you can cobble together even a vague idea at how all of these things correlate with each other, I will give you a cookie.
 
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isabeau said:
I have HBO now..i should watch Maher..he's always fairly witty..however he is wrong about one thing..this is one US citizen who will not be watching the Super Bowl..hubby will but not me.
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Wrong? Where did he say everybody in America would be watching the Superbowl? You do know there's more than 100 million of us, right?
 
jts963 said:
Wrong? Where did he say everybody in America would be watching the Superbowl? You do know there's more than 100 million of us, right?
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Ya, there's 100 million and one lol..
 
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