Why content quality has regressed so much?

[Boba_Fettish]

It kinda depends, but honestly, it's not. "Ticklish people don't do shoots" is an urban myth that just will not die no matter how many times quality producers refute it.

A thousand percent this. I once watched an online bickering (why I read through it still, I'm unsure...waste of time 99% of the attempts) over this very thing. One fellow claimed that theres no way anyone actually ticklish would do such a thing. Thats utterly false. I can honestly say, if I've hired someone faking it I certainly couldn't tell. And no, no one can 'investigate' and find out either. Tickling is mood dependant.
My wife has horribly ticklish ribs, but when shes in a pissed off mood, or just upset, shes either not ticklish at all or far less.

So watching a model get their foot touched with a lesser reaction in one clip vs another doesn't prove a thing.

Some people have a weird laugh. I hired a girl at last years con, and while tickling her thought how fake her laugh sounded and wondered if she was trying to act.
Nope. Off camera after the shoot we were gathered around joking and being silly, she was laughing identically to her reactions while I had her belted down. Some people just have 'weird' laughs. Not everyone is 'teehee'ing or 'ha ha'ing.

Do people fake? Oh undoubtedly. I've reached out to many many girls while recruiting with my usual copy/paste and I add in there: if you ARENT ticklish I'll still hire you to be a ler, or simply do a bondage shoot. I say that to them to avoid hiring anyone faking. Some will want the payday of course and try to fake it otherwise, which is what I personally strive to avoid.

I once read a poll (i think on here years ago) where someone asked: would you purchase content from a producer who had beautiful girls that faked it, or from a producer who had less attractive girls who were genuine.
Shockingly (to me anyway) i remember the results were about 50/50. I didn't think anyone would want to watched faked material. I'm not bothered by it, just surprised. Personally I want the person to actually be experiencing it, so I'm in the No Fake crowd. Again, its fine if someone isnt, I'm just a bit surprised.

Anyway. I say all of that to say if I've ever hired anyone and tickled them, and they faked it, I've certainly never noticed though I've suspected one here and there.

 

[mch5]

I think it's quite simple:
For those who like it clean (no nudity, no sex reference) - Stop adding vibration and sex touch, stop with the wild stories.
For those who like it dirty (like me) - same problem, different reasons: Stop adding vibration and sex touch, stop with the wild stories. Nudity is enough, my fantasies will fill the gaps better than ANY producer!

I want to see tickling in the videos, extreme (in my case).. but today the clips are about... Tickling drama, magic tickling, talking while tickling, tickling in chains, tickling underwater, tickling by aliens... come on!

 

[TickleParadisePH]

Let me just address these two points really quick. Of course you’re all allowed to have preferences, but for anyone who actually cares, perhaps I can provide some insight as to why these two things are so common now.

These “girl next door” types you all ask for, all have vanilla lives. They’re most likely working traditional AKA “real” jobs, and perhaps they also have super conservative friends and family (like mine).

Do you guys know what happens when people show their face in fetish porn? They get outed. The videos end up on some tube site, their friends see it, their family sees it, their employers see it. This isn’t a case of “if”; it’s a case of when.

It’s probably humiliating at best, but it’s also very common for people to lose their jobs because of it. We’ve all seen producers talk about how so-and-so won’t shoot with them anymore because people they know saw the videos.

On the flip side… We always see men in ski masks, even in gay male content, where the viewers wont be so triggered if they see another guy’s face. Yes, maybe one or two people get the ick from it, but for the most part everyone is accepting of men in masks.

Laws of attraction aside, if male creators are allowed to wear masks (because we all know they’re doing it to protect their vanilla lives), why shouldn’t female creators be allowed to do the same? Just because most people are attracted to women, doesn’t mean we should be forced to destroy our vanilla lives.

If you guys want to see female faces, I’m afraid that mostly just leaves you with models whose lives won’t be destroyed if they appear in wank material. Porn stars, camgirls, and yes professional fetish models.

“We live in a society” blah blah blah… everyone and their mother is trying to earn some extra cash on the side, but there’s still a lot of stigma regarding sex work. I’m afraid this isn’t something that can be fixed so easily.

This is exactly right, and thanks for calling out that inconsistency. One of our models/party hosts is a professional fashion model and actress who has had small parts, but is aspiring for a mainstream acting career. Another is a young healthcare worker recently out of college--totally a "girl-next-door" type. And families in the Philippines tend to be conservative. We hope to make some content with models who will show their faces soon, but we're not going to limit ourselves. We hope to spread the joy of tickling here!

 

[kingmaker]

You will see if it sells. That's funny because Filipina are not too hard to work with.

Indians are harder, and Arabs are a real challenge

 

[Boba_Fettish]

Let me just address these two points really quick. Of course you’re all allowed to have preferences, but for anyone who actually cares, perhaps I can provide some insight as to why these two things are so common now.

These “girl next door” types you all ask for, all have vanilla lives. They’re most likely working traditional AKA “real” jobs, and perhaps they also have super conservative friends and family (like mine).

Do you guys know what happens when people show their face in fetish porn? They get outed. The videos end up on some tube site, their friends see it, their family sees it, their employers see it. This isn’t a case of “if”; it’s a case of when.

It’s probably humiliating at best, but it’s also very common for people to lose their jobs because of it. We’ve all seen producers talk about how so-and-so won’t shoot with them anymore because people they know saw the videos.

On the flip side… We always see men in ski masks, even in gay male content, where the viewers wont be so triggered if they see another guy’s face. Yes, maybe one or two people get the ick from it, but for the most part everyone is accepting of men in masks.

Laws of attraction aside, if male creators are allowed to wear masks (because we all know they’re doing it to protect their vanilla lives), why shouldn’t female creators be allowed to do the same? Just because most people are attracted to women, doesn’t mean we should be forced to destroy our vanilla lives.

If you guys want to see female faces, I’m afraid that mostly just leaves you with models whose lives won’t be destroyed if they appear in wank material. Porn stars, camgirls, and yes professional fetish models.

“We live in a society” blah blah blah… everyone and their mother is trying to earn some extra cash on the side, but there’s still a lot of stigma regarding sex work. I’m afraid this isn’t something that can be fixed so easily.

Well said!
My first store was with my wife and was 'outed' at work. I personally didn't care but she did, and I respect that. I'm her husband not her pimp and she can shoot if she wants. The when is the part to pay attention to here. Yeah, ive known a RARE few to skate by and not be found out, and I have a couple I work with who cannot show their faces so I go to great lengths to protect them. So far so good.

I've felt that same thing about the guys wearing ski masks and sorta chuckled. Of course theyre allowed to but yeah....its a strange double standard. I don't go out of my way to hide my face, but I assume no one is watching to see me as I'm certainly not the focus.

Anyway, the takeaway here is when you'll be outed. Just assume it will happen and proceed as such. If you don't accept the associated risks with putting yourself out there (that is, being seen) then you shouldn't do it if the risk isnt worth the reward to you.

 

[Jezebel Lee]

Thank you both!

It’s super ironic; when I was younger (like 18-19) on the forum and calling out the double standard of masks, most people responded with “WELL IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT THEN MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEOS THEN 5HEAD!!!” Now I do, and the ones of me in blindfolds still sell okay. Make of that what you will! 🙂

 

[quinn65]

It's likely I would still be producing videos if it weren't for piracy on the porn clip sites. Hell, it seems like I'm doing nearly as many sessions now as I was then.

The ladies and handful of guys we tickled in the LOL days were all vanilla mainstream types, and even with masks, the idea of appearing unwillingly on PornHub, Spankbang, Pornzog or someone's TikTok feed became without exception a deal-breaker. That's what shut us down.

Many of the ladies I've sessioned with and written about since, as well as several past LOL models, have said they would be willing to shoot (or keep shooting) videos otherwise. It was fun and profitable and harmlessly sexy for them to have a "secret life" making fetish content. But where they were comfortable with a small number of buyers enjoying their clips, the risk of exposure posed by the free sharing sites is far too high.

 

[jamesatgmail]

It's likely I would still be producing videos if it weren't for piracy on the porn clip sites. Hell, it seems like I'm doing nearly as many sessions now as I was then.

The ladies and handful of guys we tickled in the LOL days were all vanilla mainstream types, and even with masks, the idea of appearing unwillingly on PornHub, Spankbang, Pornzog or someone's TikTok feed became without exception a deal-breaker. That's what shut us down.

Many of the ladies I've sessioned with and written about since, as well as several past LOL models, have said they would be willing to shoot (or keep shooting) videos otherwise. It was fun and profitable and harmlessly sexy for them to have a "secret life" making fetish content. But where they were comfortable with a small number of buyers enjoying their clips, the risk of exposure posed by the free sharing sites is far too high.

Have you considered shooting videos and selling them exclusively to people that you’ve had good interactions with on this website? I know you’ve stated that you’re out of the game, at least for the foreseeable future. But it sounds like your not against the idea if you had some more control

Id love to buy still if it were possible to just do maybe a subscription site or just sell privately to trustworthy buyers on this website. Not sure if either of those would be an option, but something to consider.

 

[quinn65]

Have you considered shooting videos and selling them exclusively to people that you’ve had good interactions with on this website? I know you’ve stated that you’re out of the game, at least for the foreseeable future. But it sounds like your not against the idea if you had some more control

Id love to buy still if it were possible to just do maybe a subscription site or just sell privately to trustworthy buyers on this website. Not sure if either of those would be an option, but something to consider.

The business model breaks down pretty fast at low volumes, but even if people were willing to pay hundreds, it's the model's trust and not mine that matters. After the first clips hit PornHub back in the day, that was the end of that.

Which gets back to my hypothesis re the OP's question: sharing sites killed off high quality "real" amateur fetish producers. My friends were and would still be happy to share with a niche community, and used to think it was kind of edgy and hot. That's gone now.

In LOL 2.O, M's clips went for $50+, and we thought a steeper price might stem the flow. No such luck.

So now the video camera is put away and I'm a hack writer, if I can ever find time for it. 😉

 

[jamesatgmail]

The business model breaks down pretty fast at low volumes, but even if people were willing to pay hundreds, it's the model's trust and not mine that matters. After the first clips hit PornHub back in the day, that was the end of that.

Which gets back to my hypothesis re the OP's question: sharing sites killed off high quality "real" amateur fetish producers. My friends were and would still be happy to share with a niche community, and used to think it was kind of edgy and hot. That's gone now.

In LOL 2.O, M's clips went for $50+, and we thought a steeper price might stem the flow. No such luck.

So now the video camera is put away and I'm a hack writer, if I can ever find time for it. 😉

Lol we will be waiting on the next installment then! Whenever you find the time like you said

 

[SoleMates]

sharing sites killed off high quality "real" amateur fetish producers.

I'm gonna piggyback off of this and add that, in my own experience, "real" amateur fetish models don't sell as well as the pros, no matter how much people here like to insist that that's "all" they "really" want. The pros come with pre-existing fanbases that are willing to throw money at just about anything they do. They're also easier to work with/schedule, don't cost an arm and a leg like they used to, and as noted above, don't have issues with privacy. They also don't ghost nearly as much. If I work with someone like Bella Ink she's going to tweet my video release to her kajillions of followers and I will move product. Suzie Homemaker who doesn't even want anyone to know she's in a video? Not so much.

That said, there's a lot of "cute girls next door" with an OnlyFans these days, so even those "amateurs" that you want... aren't.

 

[quinn65]

in my own experience, "real" amateur fetish models don't sell as well as the pros, no matter how much people here like to insist that that's "all" they "really" want.

I don't doubt this but it's surprising to me. Personally, once I've seen someone tickled in decent bondage, my curiosity is satisfied and I'm less likely to spend money to see that same person tickled again. Some of the pro models are great, don't get me wrong, but with tickling I prefer variety over familiarity.

Actors or musicians I'll follow because I'm impressed by their talent. With ticklees, I'm more interested in their genuine surprise and involuntary reactions.

My sense is that OP is pining for the early days when Tickle Abuse, Czech, Frenchtickling, Tickle Intensive, etc. were constantly rolling out fresh content with interesting and obviously ticklish vanilla-seeming newcomers. When newbies are frightened away by the risk of being outed on sharing sites and professional talent steps in, what you seem to get is either higher production quality with less novelty or production quality so low that the novelty is lost.

Not always -- there are still some good smaller producers out there plugging away and some flashes of creativity from the bigger shops -- but moreso than in the early days, imho.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

The people talking ain't always the ones buying. In fact, the loudest contingent seems to spend the least.

 

[duderino84]

I watch retro content.

 

[P[a]pi]

I think the most popular tickling content is clips and artwork. In my opinion there is no regression for these 2 types.

However there are new ways to access this content, and some people don't like it cus it's more expensive. I'm happy for the creators (especially the gals in the clips) that now enjoy more control and higher pay.