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Why do male ticklers usually wear silly looking head gear?

I wanna make anti-tickleporn. People in fursuits, dressed up like monsters, girls in corpsepaint. Go for broke.

Literally because I'll spend a lot of money making them and not a single person will buy any.
 
Rather than complain about the mask, why dont you start up your own tickling videos and make sure your unmasked face is in the forefront.

How many times has this stupid topic been brought up?

For once, I agree with you.

Seriously guys, you think this 'making a video' crap is so easy, you do it. And I'll make sure I'm right there at the forefront to nitpick EVERY aspect of EVERY choice you make, and you better hope to hell I think you're attractive enough to DARE to show your face on camera.

Sidetrack; do the writers and comic artists who produce content for our niche get even HALF the crap thrown their way that the video vendors do?
 
You had to expect there'd be criticism upon entering on such a venture, no? The artists and authors and comics get criticism too. Probably not as much but id bet not as many people read stories, look at drawings, or buy comics versus the amount of people that view clips. I could be wrong though.
 
I agree about the whole privacy,non face recognition. But the title of the thread mentioned silly head gear. Hey there is nothing wrong with me wearing my Indiana Jones fedora and occasionally donning the leather jacket and whip also. Just want to clarify that.
 
You had to expect there'd be criticism upon entering on such a venture, no?

I always thought producers took a a ridiculous amount of shit even before I got into the business. I'm no less vocal about it now than I was then. The only difference is that I now have sales figures to back up my assertions.

And anyway, there's a difference between criticism and the near-constant stream of bitching about every little thing that goes on around here.

This thread is a perfect example. We hide our faces, we get complaints. We don't hide our faces, we get complaints. We talk, we get complaints. We don't talk, we get complaints. We appear in the videos at all, we get complaints. We shell out the extra money so that we don't appear in the video... and everybody pirates it off of Dailymotion and tells us we should be thankful for the free advertising.

And speaking of criticism, Annie... everything I've bought that was "edited by AnnieHall" had some really blatant typos in it. Just sayin'.
 
I always thought producers took a a ridiculous amount of shit even before I got into the business. I'm no less vocal about it now than I was then. The only difference is that I now have sales figures to back up my assertions.

And anyway, there's a difference between criticism and the near-constant stream of bitching about every little thing that goes on around here.

This thread is a perfect example. We hide our faces, we get complaints. We don't hide our faces, we get complaints. We talk, we get complaints. We don't talk, we get complaints. We appear in the videos at all, we get complaints. We shell out the extra money so that we don't appear in the video... and everybody pirates it off of Dailymotion and tells us we should be thankful for the free advertising.

And speaking of criticism, Annie... everything I've bought that was "edited by AnnieHall" had some really blatant typos in it. Just sayin'.

Damn, dude. I've never even seen one of your clips and I don't know if you're in em or not, masked or not. I'm just stating my opinion in general as response to the title of the thread.

Same shit happens with every story I've ever written - "moar feets" "moar bellybuttons" "nylons" "underarms" blahblahblah.

I don't know why you're taking it personal or getting so personal. Apologies if you felt anything you've bought from MTJ was less than satisfactory, though.

But, much like your clips, if a person don't like it, they don't gotta buy it.
 
I don't know why you're taking it personal or getting so personal.

I'm not, actually. My point was that nobody's perfect and/or above criticism, it's interesting that we don't see any threads on it given that the fiction and art is actually more expensive than clips even though it costs less to produce, and also that I think you'd be pretty sick of it if we did actually start seeing threads on it as frequently as we do with clips. I mean, I snarked about it and you got defensive. Point proven, I think.

And I apologize for using you specifically as an example. You're the only other content producer posting in this thread.

Apologies if you felt anything you've bought from MTJ was less than satisfactory, though.

DAMMIT, FOR TEN DOLLARS I EXPECT PERFECTION! I NEED TO START A THREAD ABOUT IT!*

In all seriousness, what I do actually do when I catch a mistake is shrug my shoulders and remind myself that I enjoyed reading the story anyway. I don't come here and bitch about how MTJ can't hire a decent editor. (Especially since you probably don't get paid.) If, however, I discover that a particular author consistently produces stuff I don't like, I simply stop buying it. I don't come here and complain as loudly as possible about how the tickling authors are all idiots who who can't write and don't cater to me specifically.

What I think is interesting about the "If they don't like it, they don't gotta buy it" argument (despite it being exactly what I just said) is that the proportion of feedback to actual consumption is pretty low. In other words, most of the people who complain don't actually buy any clips. That strikes me as kinda ridiculous. Granted, it's logical in that they don't buy what they don't like, but they're getting the content somehow, or they wouldn't know what to complain about; so they're either pirating it (and bitching about something they're not paying for anyway), or consuming the free previews (and complaining about clips they aren't watching). I personally feel that if you aren't giving me your money, you don't have any right to give me your "feedback", either, because I'm not making my clips for you.

And anyway, masks? Yeah, we're all doing it because we're either incompetent or because it's what the customer wants. Unfortunately, please one customer and you piss off another. Can't win for losing.

*Sarcasm.
 
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RE: Solemate's question on general posted things:

No, people don't really respond so negatively. Not directly, anyway. I don't frequent the video clips/reviews/previews sections but I don't recall seeing much negative commentary under those threads when I did.

Likewise do I find under stories I post or see others post that most of the commentary is favorable (though there is at times little to no response).

If anything I think a lot of the negativity towards any of the other forms of art posted here shows up in threads similar to this, such as things I hate to see in artwork or writing, or else in threads that encourage better writing.

So, yes and no, really. People just won't be direct about it.
 
I'm not, actually. My point was that nobody's perfect and/or above criticism, it's interesting that we don't see any threads on it given that the fiction and art is actually more expensive than clips even though it costs less to produce, and also that I think you'd be pretty sick of it if we did actually start seeing threads on it as frequently as we do with clips. I mean, I snarked about it and you got defensive. Point proven, I think.

And I apologize for using you specifically as an example. You're the only other content producer posting in this thread.



DAMMIT, FOR TEN DOLLARS I EXPECT PERFECTION! I NEED TO START A THREAD ABOUT IT!*

In all seriousness, what I do actually do when I catch a mistake is shrug my shoulders and remind myself that I enjoyed reading the story anyway. I don't come here and bitch about how MTJ can't hire a decent editor. (Especially since you probably don't get paid.) If, however, I discover that a particular author consistently produces stuff I don't like, I simply stop buying it. I don't come here and complain as loudly as possible about how the tickling authors are all idiots who who can't write and don't cater to me specifically.

What I think is interesting about the "If they don't like it, they don't gotta buy it" argument (despite it being exactly what I just said) is that the proportion of feedback to actual consumption is pretty low. In other words, most of the people who complain don't actually buy any clips. That strikes me as kinda ridiculous. Granted, it's logical in that they don't buy what they don't like, but they're getting the content somehow, or they wouldn't know what to complain about; so they're either pirating it (and bitching about something they're not paying for anyway), or consuming the free previews (and complaining about clips they aren't watching). I personally feel that if you aren't giving me your money, you don't have any right to give me your "feedback", either, because I'm not making my clips for you.

And anyway, masks? Yeah, we're all doing it because we're either incompetent or because it's what the customer wants. Unfortunately, please one customer and you piss off another. Can't win for losing.

*Sarcasm.

But nobody's demanding perfection from a clip. At least not that I've noticed in this thread. It's just everyone has their own likes and dislikes. It's widely known that no one clip can please everyone, that's why there's so many different types of clipstores out there. Some companies having a handful of different stores catering to different tastes.

Ultimately, we're both entitled to our opinions and perfection to one person is not the same to another. The OP shared his on 'silly looking head gear' which opened up for other members to share their opinions. It wasn't a general 'what do you hate to see in clips' thread. I think masks in clips looks goofy, but at the end of the day I don't have to buy them. I have no idea on how well or badly they sell, just sharing my .02 like everyone else.
 

But nobody's demanding perfection from a clip. At least not that I've noticed in this thread.

While technically true, taken as a whole/combined with all of the other threads that constantly come up on the topic, the grand takeaway is that people do in fact expect perfection and will complain at the drop of a hat about every aspect of a video... and then when you actually shoot what they say they want, they don't buy it anyway.

Yes, masks look silly and/or creepy but they solve a problem that can otherwise not be solved depending on the circumstances. Same as why we don't use "hot" male lers; most of us can't afford 'em, and I'd imagine the folks who can don't use 'em because they don't sell.

There is a certain amount of difficulty on a vendor's part trying to cater to an audience that only offers either unconditionally positive feedback that doesn't actually result in sales, or vaguely-directed threads like this that are basically pile-ons disguised as constructive criticism (I say it's a pile-on because there really isn't anything a vendor can do to correct the "problem" brought up by the OP). I mean, as a vendor, what am I supposed to take away from this thread? Or should I just not read it, so that people can complain that vendors don't listen to their customers?

I admit, however, that the appearance of the 'ler is a bit of an issue for me because I think it's an awful double-standard. We're not presenting ourselves as models, but it's okay for people to call us ugly and creepy, but if anyone said "hey, that model's too fat to be in a video" there'd be hell to pay. So we try to compromise, and still get shafted.

Oh, and DAJT; if you want to see some spectacular editing failures, try Restif's work. The man is a stellar artist, but the broken English jumps up and slaps me in the face every time. I have the feeling it's not his first language, but hey; that's what editors are for. And again, I'm not trying to turn this into a dog-pile on Annie, but my point is that given all of the mistakes I've seen in MTJ's publications and some of the truly awful art that comes out of both the paid/non-paid work, I'm surprised we don't see more people complaining about it. IMHO it's just as bad as the sin of trying not to be ugly in a video by using a mask. And personally, I really hate it in comics, because it's even more obvious. If I started a thread on it, how many editors/comic artists would it annoy? That's the parallel I'm drawing.

Anyway, you all hate masks. Duly noted. Carry on.

*Edited to change the "bad editing" example. Originally I'd mentioned Ozzy, but when I went back through my collection I noticed that it was all from 2002 or earlier, which is extremely unfair to hold against him. I changed it to Restif because, reading over the Ticklish Adventures series, I found errors on every page of every issue, and the series is still running AFAIK.
 
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Again, this is about clips with masks, not clips in general, or comics. You keep bringing up your frustration with criticism of clips on a whole, but we're talking about masks here. The grand takeaway from this thread should be that some people aren't into masks. Not your personal reaction to how people respond to your product.

I imagine people don't use hot male 'lers because not a lot of female 'lees buy clips. I mean, I've seen hot female 'lers and hot male 'lees, as well as two hot dudes doing some m/m (too bad I'm only into m/f, but it's not the end of the world) so I'm sure someone can afford it.

There's a certain amount of difficulty in anything. Doesn't mean people can't express their opinion on the subject. If you get too butthurt about it, do something else, or don't click on threads you know is gonna get your rubber nose out of joint. It's your choice to respond or not, in however way you choose.

There are a few other people that have the same opinion as me in this thread, but you keep returning to things I say and taking them personally. Again, I've never seen your product. You could be wearing a top hat and tickling a chick with a cane for all I care. I wouldn't buy your product because it doesn't appeal to me. Most people would respond with something like "Hey, different strokes for different folks. I feel my product is good because of this..." (if you felt the need to defend said product).

Getting upset because you make something that doesn't appeal to everyone is your problem, not mine. Seems like you shouldn't get into a business where you're selling anything if negative feedback (which no one is giving you, rather we are talking about the general use of masks in clips) is something you're not good at dealing with. I mean, most general businesses assume they will have to deal with unhappy customers and negative feedback and they find a system or way of handling it. I doubt "start your own business, then" is a response often given by most places.

If you're in the shot, you're part of the product, so you're going to be commented on, mask or not. Some producers have figured out a way to either edit their faces out of the shot or just shoot from an angle where they're not seen. I've found this to work better versus wearing a mask. Shit, even if the 'ler is not a knockout, it can still be a good clip, without the distraction of a mask, if the chemistry is right. My opinion. When selling a product, people have every right to respond with their opinion on how well they liked it / didn't like it or how attractive they found the 'ler or 'lee, etc.

Usually if someone uses a "fat" model, they put BBW, or some other such term, in the title (because they know that kind of thing does not appeal to all customers). And, I've seen people rip models to shreds for everything from having tattoos to a huge bush. So, I'm not seeing your point, there.

Also, I edit Ozzy's work very closely. There are common 'mistakes,' if you will, that I look past when it comes to writing. I'm not going to edit a spelling mistake if it's there purposely to reflect accent. I'm not going to correct fragmented sentences if they are used as a style technique.

Many of the characters in Ozzy's work have accents and thus the word "Tickle" is often spelled by said characters as "teekle" to reflect those accents.

Lastly, while I have been working for MTJ for a number of years, there is a huge amount of comics and works from before I started that I need to go through and edit, so if it doesn't have my name on it, don't blame me.

And again, this is about clips not comics, but whatever, point some more fingers lol. I don't know enough about "Sole Mates" foot fetish and tickling videos to make a comment. Except now I know they wear masks, so I won't be buying. Thanks 🙂
 
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Again, this is about clips with masks, not clips in general, or comics. You keep bringing up your frustration with criticism of clips on a whole, but we're talking about masks here.

Well, at the risk of belaboring my point, these threads don't really serve any purpose. I guess it's part of a larger issue I have with "poll" threads. Okay, you don't like masks. Who needs to know other than producers? And if we can't really do anything about it ("it" being "whatever is being complained about), what are we supposed to do? (For the record, you're absolutely right that camera angles and editing is an alternative solution - that's primarily how I personally do my stuff but occasionally you just have to go the mask route.)

I imagine people don't use hot male 'lers because not a lot of female 'lees buy clips. I mean, I've seen hot female 'lers and hot male 'lees, as well as two hot dudes doing some m/m (too bad I'm only into m/f, but it's not the end of the world) so I'm sure someone can afford it.

At the risk of sounding pedantic, "you imagine". One of the reasons I respond to these kinds of threads is to explain the facts so that people don't have to imagine. A lot of what people think they know about what vendors do is flat-out wrong (disclaimer: while I technically only speak for myself, at least one other producer has agreed with me. Other producers are free to post about their experiences and correct me if I'm wrong). In your example, yes, someone can afford it, but if it was a viable business model then we'd see a lot more of it. And if a thread started about "where all the hot male lers at?", I'd say that there.

There's a certain amount of difficulty in anything. Doesn't mean people can't express their opinion on the subject. If you get too butthurt about it, do something else, or don't click on threads you know is gonna get your rubber nose out of joint.

Okay, I'll admit I laughed at that. I need to go find a rubber nose, now. I'm not butthurt, though. That's a different style of video entirely. 😀

Most people would respond with something like "Hey, different strokes for different folks. I feel my product is good because of this..." (if you felt the need to defend said product).

This is actually/absolutely my opinion. People have said in the past that I get angry when no one buys my clips, but I don't. People are perfectly free to buy whatever they like. But honestly, I think threads like this are part of a larger problem in that it's pretty much impossible to get any useful feedback out of them. That's all I'm saying. I feel that they have an undertone of "You're doing this WRONG and you need to fix it". And that's not true. If, however, people are just ranting to rant, that's cool. Say so and by all means, I will stay out of the threads because I'm not one for pointless ranting. (Yes, hello, irony.)

which no one is giving you, rather we are talking about the general use of masks in clips)

Right, well here's the problem. This thread is "why do male ticklers use masks?". I'm a... male tickler who's occasionally used a mask. So the thread is directed at me. I'm part of the group doing what the OP hates. I do believe my original post to this thread was actually answering the question as stated. I'd have to go back and see how we got to this point, but it was probably a comment on the double-bind producers face. As I've said in the past, though, if you're targeting specific producers with these questions, ask them directly. Otherwise, producers like me are gonna assume that we're being lumped in and actually, y'know, answer.

Many of the characters in Ozzy's work have accents and thus the word "Tickle" is often spelled by said characters as "teekle" to reflect those accents.

I'm not talking about accents, Annie. I'm talking about really obvious grammatical errors that have nothing to do with style. I'll be glad to go back and find the issues I'm talking about if you really want to know (and they may or may not have been works you personally edited; it's just that it popped into my head because I recognize your name from from the covers of stuff I bought). But again, it's not about the specifics. It was an observation that I found it interesting that we nitpick the everliving fuck out of videos but people can publish written work with obvious mistakes in it and no one says a word. But yea, at this point it's irrelevant. Consider it dropped, or PM me if you'd like.

Except now I know they wear masks, so I won't be buying. Thanks 🙂

Except that they don't, with two exceptions as pointed out in the first post I made. Either way, though, you're welcome.
 
I took the thread at face value, that it was just a rant thread about masks in videos in general. I assumed if people expected more of a producer response they would have posted it at least in the vid/clips section. But that doesn't mean you can't express yourself in the same way the rest of us are. Neither one of our takes on the OP is wrong, just different. Meh. We'll agree to disagree, but I understand where you're coming from a tad bit more now.

Oh, and PM sent. If there are any mistakes, I will find and red pen the shit out of them.

Why don't more companies hire hot-ass guys who will show their face the way the girl 'lee does? Is it just a money issue?

I'm just curious because sometimes I look at m/m videos (I'm down to watch gay guys if they're hot) and it seems like they more often have super-hot 'lers than in straight videos.

I'm certainly not criticizing anyone. I think anyone who creates art within the world of sex and fetishes is pretty cool. I'd never have the guts to do something like that.

Missed this post earlier. Totally agree though. I mean, why can't they hire one of those hot m/m dudes to be the 'ler in a m/f video?

Understandable how someone that felt they were unattractive would wear a mask. I mean, if I was all about making porn but had a bowl cut and cleft palate, I'd wear a mask too. Though if I was really worried about privacy issues, I probably wouldn't venture into such a project.

http://clips4sale.com/studio/29092 - It's not the best video quality, but most, if not all is m/f and the 'ler ain't hard to look at. No masks either!
 
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Although personally I feel that my contribution to this thread is done with, I just skimmed back over the earlier post I made where the whole editing sidetrack came in and realized that although my original intent was to comment on how product can be perceived badly by a customer no matter the intentions of the creator, I did in fact call Annie out by name. That was not my intention at all and I really, really apologize for how that came off, as well as acting like I didn't even do it in my followup posts. I fucked up a solid. Seriously. I suppose I became my own example on how making an issue about stuff that's highly subjective just makes you look like a dick.

Missed this post earlier. Totally agree though. I mean, why can't they hire one of those hot m/m dudes to be the 'ler in a m/f video?

I can't speak for any of the larger studios, but there's a couple issues at play for us smaller folks (hi!). I'm pretty sure that f/f sells more than m/f, so I'd wager that most of us that do m/f do it out of necessity in that we can't afford to hire a second female model. In that case, there's really no point in hiring a dude who's going to do absolutely nothing to pull in extra sales, costs as much as a woman, and may in fact scare off existing customers. It's not that we wouldn't be able to find guys to do the videos, it's that it doesn't pay off for us at all.

I also want to mention that "attractive" is subjective, and that guys are often told that they don't know what women want to look at. It's quite possible that they just don't feel like the gamble of "am I attractive enough to not wear a mask?" is worth the shit they'll get if they're wrong. I mean, people have told me I'm "ruining the forum" just for posting a preview of a girl they didn't like. My photo may have gotten an 8.9 when it was up on Hot or Not, but I'm not terribly interested in the abuse that I'll catch if folks here think I was too ugly to be on-camera, whether I agree with 'em or not.
 
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Although personally I feel that my contribution to this thread is done with, I just skimmed back over the earlier post I made where the whole editing sidetrack came in and realized that although my original intent was to comment on how even stuff that's looked over by a second set of eyes can still wind up "off" to a customer, I did in fact call Annie out by name. That was not my intention at all and I really, really apologize for how that came off, as well as acting like I didn't even do it in my followup posts. I fucked up a solid. Seriously.

We're cool. It's all good. Glad we were able to clear shit up.



I can't speak for any of the larger studios, but there's a couple issues at play for us smaller folks (hi!). I'm pretty sure that f/f sells more than m/f, so I'd wager that most of us that do m/f do it out of necessity in that we can't afford to hire a second female model. In that case, there's really no point in hiring a dude who's going to do absolutely nothing to pull in extra sales, costs as much as a woman, and may in fact scare off existing customers.

Does anyone know how well f/m and m/m sell versus m/f and f/f considering how little content there is in comparison to f/f and m/f? Or am I way off in thinking there's more f/f and m/f than f/m and m/m?

It's not that we wouldn't be able to find guys to do the videos, it's that it doesn't pay off for us at all.

Aside from Vellication-Video that I listed, can anyone suggest a clipstore or even just one clip that's m/f with an (arguably) attractive ler that's not wearing a mask or hiding behind the camera? Granted, attractiveness is different for everyone, but I'm pretty forgiving.
 
Aside from Vellication-Video that I listed, can anyone suggest a clipstore or even just one clip that's m/f with an (arguably) attractive ler that's not wearing a mask or hiding behind the camera? Granted, attractiveness is different for everyone, but I'm pretty forgiving. [/QUOTE]

Hmmm an interesting question and I think I saw this in a topic a year ago. I know there are a few average lookin producers that just don't show their face ala Turtleboy and Zentickling...but mostly yea its either a bigger dude or someone with a mask on. Totally not knockin anyone Darke is a fuckin genius and Tommy is an older dude. I suppose it depends on the degree of attractiveness youre lookin for. Are you lookin for some greased up dude with abs?? Or just an average looking attractive guy? Because from what Ive seen in videos whenever they try to bring in a male "model" to be a tickler, he is usually just god awful. awful technique and making awkwards comments that ruin the experience for me. This happened in a few Paradise Vision videos I saw. The guy was just fucking annoying. Making tickly noises and just raking his hands across the girl.
 
Hmmm an interesting question and I think I saw this in a topic a year ago. I know there are a few average lookin producers that just don't show their face ala Turtleboy and Zentickling...but mostly yea its either a bigger dude or someone with a mask on. Totally not knockin anyone Darke is a fuckin genius and Tommy is an older dude. I suppose it depends on the degree of attractiveness youre lookin for. Are you lookin for some greased up dude with abs?? Or just an average looking attractive guy? Because from what Ive seen in videos whenever they try to bring in a male "model" to be a tickler, he is usually just god awful. awful technique and making awkwards comments that ruin the experience for me. This happened in a few Paradise Vision videos I saw. The guy was just fucking annoying. Making tickly noises and just raking his hands across the girl.

Like I said, I'm pretty forgiving. (Personally, I find really defined abs freakish looking.) But yeah, don't want a potbelly either. At least not if it's all shaking like Santa Claus all everywhere and shit. Again, though, a lot of it relies on chemistry as well. Meh, I'm in the minority when it comes to clips and I understand producers need to appeal to a wider audience than just my ass. lol
 
Like I said, I'm pretty forgiving. (Personally, I find really defined abs freakish looking.) But yeah, don't want a potbelly either. At least not if it's all shaking like Santa Claus all everywhere and shit. Again, though, a lot of it relies on chemistry as well. Meh, I'm in the minority when it comes to clips and I understand producers need to appeal to a wider audience than just my ass. lol

The audience has to be wider then your ass?? Oooo lol nevermind I got it. I can understand where you are coming from with this whole argument though and its all very personal. Whatever people like is what they like. Women get screwed over a little because they want to see attractive men in videos and a lot of times it doesn't happen. Its much different for us because we just want to see GOOD tickling. I steered away from F/F in the past because the tickling was god awful (think old FM concepts videos) but luckily with the insurgence of GOOD Female ticklers that begun with Priscilla IMO, F/F is better to watch. Now there is Brooke, Tasha, Kelli, and Katherine Foxx just to name a few. But for the Ler its never been a matter of how they look but rather how GOOD they were at actually tickling the Lee. That's why TIB, Tommy, Darke, and TickleCentral are so appealing to me, because they REALLY know how to get amazing reactions out of their victims. But like you said before homie to each their own. I wish this scene was more diverse to give EVERYONE what they want, but alas, maybe it will happen over time.
 
Hey I put myself up and out there for everyones enjoyment. I think if I wore a mask my girlfriend would just laugh at me the entire time, or be freaked out by it
 
A Pointed Admission

All of this has made me take out my own preferences and start pulling on their strings.

I'm pretty specific (and pretty vanilla I suspect), preferring your basic F/F and nudity and hwp. I like "average-looking" girls, petite by preference. Ask a producer, but I'm afraid he/she will tell you that I have expensive tastes.

I like Zen Tickling because he hires models that are perfect, for my money. Finally, though, the pointed admission. I try to put myself in his place. The more he is a cypher, his identity out of the center when it's not out of the frame, the easier it is for me to slip psychically just in front of him.

I like Tasha because she is a character, plainly and clearly drawn. Her primary business is domming white chicks through tickling. She's not a lesbian. She's not a leather domme. She has other interests. In this one thing, though, she and I have as much in common as any two people on the planet. Perhaps a third of my clips come from TA2, so far. Tasha, you GO, girl!

The dry and academic reasons that make this thread seem stupid are well and good in their context. But sales by type are a mirror reflection of your market's tastes. The common element is that we buy what we would want to concentrate on if we were in the room.
 
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