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Why does Europe hate the Jews?

Understood Headtripper, I think I was more trying to make the point that we in the US tend to get blamed for our mistakes of the past, while Europe tends to overlook theirs. I agree with you that not all of Europe is antisemetic, but as I have said I think there are problems there that need to be worked out. The first step is to admit there is a problem, not just keep pretending that no one is antisemetic. I would also certainly agree that we are not a racist country. Anyway thanks for the clarification, but I think we might actually be in agreement on this one.
 
I have to agree with Hal, theres WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many ultra conservative POVS here. What is this a tickling forum or a Republican convention??? 😕
 
Believe it or not I am a Democrat. Who would have thunk it.
 
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I'm a registered independent.If someone think my views are ultraconservative,I have some sad news for you.There are alot worse than mine.

As far as too many conservative POVs,was there a limit or something?
Any registered member is allowed to post....maybe more should.
 
Nope no limit......................If your expressing your views then why cant I by saying there are too many ultraconservatives
 
Correction

I'm a Republican in self-defense, but I'm not a conservative, ultra or other. I'm a misanthrope who has lived long enough to grow cynical.

Post away, Ice. Glad to have you. In a battle of wits, I prefer that my opponent is armed. It's not much fun otherwise.

Strelnikov
 
Oh ok thats cool. As long as you hate EVERYONE equally Strel I have no complaints 😎
 
I guess it's allowable for me to observe that there are too many
liberals here.Since there are no limits,then there is no acceptable minimum either.
 
SI: I'm a libertarian. Which means I'm in favor of drug legalization, in favor of gay marriages, in favor of "pro-choice" on abortion - all stances usually noted with the "left wing".

I'm also in favor of radically reduced taxes and gov't spending/functions, in favor of the right to self defense, and some other views typically labeled "right wing".

Put another way: the only valid function of gov't is to "secure liberties", in other words, keep people offa each other's throats. Which means courts, cops and national defense...and laws that prevent people from hurting each other.

Everything else? Free market.
 
If being wrong in your eyes is a problem,I'll worry about it another day.Got FAR more important things to worry about.
 
Actually Shark you werent one of the people I was talking about..........
 
talons said:
Why do the Jews hate everyone?

Talons,
It looks like you forgot part of your post. Is there reasoning behind that comment? Can you provide examples to show what you mean. I've not heard that bit of news till now...lol

Joby
 
Why does eveything have to be so damn balck and white??? Theres bad in every religion, race, and nationality. Just as there is good in every religion, race and nationality. The Jew DONT hate everyone and EVERYONE doesnt hate the Jews. Judge on an individulal level! :sowrong:
 
shades of gray

in one respect ice you are correct, every thing isn't black, and white.
there are shades of gray. and you are also correct that not every one hates all jewish people. but when issues such as this are discussed, one can only go by history, and modern events.
we all know the history of how europe mistreated the jewish people. and modern events are following suit. i don't know where you are from, but it's been all over the tv news, and in the news papers here, that a new, and violent rash of anti jewish sentiment is sweeping across europe once again.
in the face of these developments, it's hard to go by a case, by case basis to determine who is guilty, and who is inocent of being anti jewish. besides, who is going to admit they are?!?!
steve
 
Hmm, Steve, I don't think that you can compare the insignificant 2% anti-semitic minority of today with the historic pogromes. That would be unfair to the Jews as well as to the Europeans. What happens now is an occasional desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and spraypainting on synagogues. Mind you, that's bad enough, but still not comparable to looting Jewish shops, let alone the horrible massacres of the past. The more serious attacks on Jewish buildings with Molotow-cocktails or bombs are almost always committed by Arabs living in Europe.

As I said before, France has more of an anti-Jewish problem because of its huge immigrant numbers from Arab countries. Hell, and THEY (the Arab immigrants) have a real problem with the French nationalists and racists. The average Frenchman doesn't care about issues like that. He doesn't even care about the rest of Europe most times.

Europe's opposition against Israel is mainly directed against the present Israeli government and has nothing at all to do with anti-Jewish sentiments. Please don't confuse those two entirely separate issues.

Just an opinion from somebody who lives in Europe, reads the European newspapers in five languages, and watches the TV stations of six countries...
 
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Dear Hal,

I believe your last post was well argued, with one exception. The level of anti-Israel sentiment in Europe is not fair, balanced or proportional. Europe tends to be ANTI-Israel, not critical of specific Israeli policies (as the US often is). And why has there never been a European protest against Arafat's homocide bombers, or against Arab terrorism in general?

Hal, the legacy of deep anti-Jewish hatred, rooted in centuries of Christian religion and culture (see my previous post on this) does not go away quickly or easily. What you must understand is that anti-Israelism/anti-Zionism is the current, more "respectable" manner of being anti-Jewish in today's post-Holocaust world.

BTW, Hal, just to clear the record:

YOUR QUOTE: "The Jews have made it sure that anti-semitic means anti-Israelic and anti-Jew.".

THE FACT: The term anti-semitism was invented in the 19th century by a European who wanted to put "hatred of Jews" into a "scientific" category. See how much nicer it sounds? That European fellow had no intention of defining anti-Arab sentiment. I, for one, would be very happy if everyone dropped the term "anti-semitic" and called a spade a spade.
 
Oh my dear Talons! Just when I thought things were on an upswing!

I'll answer you in the spirit of your comment: Jews "hate" (that is, resist, oppose, condemn, reject) everyone who somehow just can't keep themselves from oppressing, abusing and even murdering Jewish sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, sisters and brothers.

Unfortunately, Talons, over time this includes A LOT of people.

Thank you for your concern,

dig dug dog
 
Jewish revenge...

I checked with my wife ( the daughter of 2 Holocaust survivors), and she informed me that the Jews do not hate "everyone"...given the large size of this statistical sampling, I guess you have the answer to your equally valid question.... 😛 Q

BUT....I also spoke to my uncle over in Holland, who has informed me that he hates Germans, so you can try "Why do the Dutch hate the Germans" and see if that one flies, ok?

BTW, Hal, he seems to understand that he shouldn't hold all Germans responsible for what happened to his country and relatives, but he's an ex-Interpol guy and quite a bitter man in general...stay away from him, ok?
 
Q--just to be clear...you did not introduce the new word "revenge" because of my post, right? Revenge is a separate concept.

ddd
 
Revenge is an interesting word. It has a V and a G in it. Wonder what that's worth in Scrabble? What's that mean? Nada! Just thought it would be distracting. 😛

NOW...with the inclusion of Q's in-laws...that means that there are at least 5 or 6 Jewish people somehow tied to the TMF. *GASP* *giggle* Now, I can't say Jew HATE everyone..but ummm...I can vouch for a couple that REALLY dislike some folks 😉

Jo...still waiting for "Talons" to explain how the question he posed was productive and not a thread hijacking. *shrug*

btw, Hi Q and good answer Mr. Dog. 🙂
 
In reply to ddd

digdugdog, thanks for your consideration. Still, we've got different opinions, but I guess that's only to be expected because of our different backgrounds.

We agree insofar as that there was, has been, and is anti-Semitism. Not only in Europe. The reasons for that go far back, as you have correctly noted.

We disagree when it comes to Europe's current sentiments. Of course, there were condolences to Israel from all European states as well as from the EU. There were no condolences whatsoever to Mr. Arafat or the Palestinians for the suicide bombers; on the contrary, those bombings were condemned by all European nations with the strongest words I've heard from the politicians for a long time, only surpassed by the reactions to the horrific attack on 9/11. I don't know if they stopped condoling when Israel and the Palestine leaders simply ignored the EU peace negotiations' efforts. But they sure will be conveyed at least at ambassadorial level. The EU Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Xavier Solana as well as the German Foreign Minister Mr. Fischer visited the area for several times, trying to get the peace process going again. In vain, and the failure was not caused by only one side of the conflict.

Previous European criticism (during Mr. Netanyahu's and Mr. Rabin's time as Israel's Prime Ministers) were practically all directed against the Israeli settlement plans and actions, whose strongest supporter was Mr. Sharon. It was never directed against Israel as a state, or against the Jewish people. The EU established one of the world's most active student exchange programs with Israel, with Germany as the main instigator of this. Europe (the EEC at that time) even established a 'special status' program in favor of Israeli citrus fruit exports (one of Israel's main economic resources) to us, which was only abandoned when the EEC formed the EU, and the general agro-economic situation became worse. Just a few examples. They don't make their way into the news, let alone into US news. They're simply not new. The positive programs deserve a five-line-notice in the press, but abandoning previous favors creates big waves. That's just how news work, I guess.

Concerning the origin of the word anti-Semitic, I know that Europeans created it. At the time it was created, there were practically no Arabs in Europe. The only Semitic people with whom we were in contact with were the Jews, so it was used for them exclusively but incorrectly. But the term was not created to humiliate Jews, differently to the Nazi's later efforts. It was a value-free scientific description of a negative sociologic phenomenon. And it only became known world-wide after the end of WW2, and after the holocaust was discovered. Since then, Israel used this term to block whatever criticism there was against its politics. That's what I wanted to say with my previous words.

On a more personal note: I'm 45 years old now, and I have discussed political, theological, and philosophical topics with thousands of people in Germany, as well as with several hundred people all over Europe. I've been to Israel, and we had some very interesting discussions in a Kibbutz. During all this time, I've met less than half a dozen people who were anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or anti-Jewish. Sorry, ddd, my own personal experience strongly contradicts your view about a general anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe. IMO, that's just propaganda. However, I realize that I'm unable to convince you of that, as you seem to have a firmly set opinion on it.

Along with all honest people in Europe, I strongly hope that the peace process will be re-established really soon. But I'm afraid this won't happen as long as Mr. Arafat and Mr. Sharon are in power. But then, that's only my personal opinion…
 
Revenge..lol..

Okay...read this fast, cause I like to delete "evidence"! I was referring to the "marriage" part for the revenge concept! How long does a poor Italian have to pay for the sins of his ancestors!!! 😉 Q
 
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