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We Have Minors Here...
Myriads knows it. And says even though ge's a moderator he has no obligation to do anything about it, AND could care less if anyone here gets into trouble for it.
I showed his posts AND replies to my concerns to a law enforcement agency or two and they're very interested. Election years and all coming up ya know.
Tron
Myriads knows it. And says even though ge's a moderator he has no obligation to do anything about it, AND could care less if anyone here gets into trouble for it.
I showed his posts AND replies to my concerns to a law enforcement agency or two and they're very interested. Election years and all coming up ya know.
Tron
Personally, I have no problem with teenagers coming here. If the worst thing a 15 or 16 is doing is coming here then it is not so bad. Trust me they could be doing a lot worse things. However, legally this site is probably considered pornographic and permitting access to those under 18 is probably illegal.
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Look at The Rules...
Under 18 access is forbidden, yet a moderator condones it.
I do have a problem with it. It IS illegal to provide minors access to pornography. And even though there are worse things they could be doing, THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE!!
There are those here concerned with their privacy. I wonder how many of them want law enforcement snooping here over something that could be taken care of by decent moderation..
Tron
Under 18 access is forbidden, yet a moderator condones it.
I do have a problem with it. It IS illegal to provide minors access to pornography. And even though there are worse things they could be doing, THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE!!
There are those here concerned with their privacy. I wonder how many of them want law enforcement snooping here over something that could be taken care of by decent moderation..
Tron
Perhaps because...
it's in the wrong section of the forum? And who are you to give "warnings" about minors anyway? The Forum Rules are clearly delineated and enforced as possible. People l-i-e though, and until they slip up we have no software for chronological detection......probably would be illegal even if it existed. Btw, nobody likes a tattletale...you must have been a riot as a kid. Here's your thread though...knock yourself out. Q
it's in the wrong section of the forum? And who are you to give "warnings" about minors anyway? The Forum Rules are clearly delineated and enforced as possible. People l-i-e though, and until they slip up we have no software for chronological detection......probably would be illegal even if it existed. Btw, nobody likes a tattletale...you must have been a riot as a kid. Here's your thread though...knock yourself out. Q
Decent moderation? And how do you propose we do that?
Yes, we DO have a rule that you must be 18 to enter the TMF. But we can not parent every single person that signs up to the TMF. If a minor comes, agrees to the registration form and states they are 18, there is not a whole lot we can do about it. We certainly can not remove memberships based on suspicion alone. We need PROOF that they are a minor before their access can be pulled. If they admit they are underage to a moderator, great...we have a case. If a member feels another member is immature and suspects they may be under 18, that does not qualify as a legitimate reason to ban them.
Mimi
Yes, we DO have a rule that you must be 18 to enter the TMF. But we can not parent every single person that signs up to the TMF. If a minor comes, agrees to the registration form and states they are 18, there is not a whole lot we can do about it. We certainly can not remove memberships based on suspicion alone. We need PROOF that they are a minor before their access can be pulled. If they admit they are underage to a moderator, great...we have a case. If a member feels another member is immature and suspects they may be under 18, that does not qualify as a legitimate reason to ban them.
Mimi
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Actually...
I gave my concerns to Myriads a few days ago. He said if he banned minors he'd end up inadvertantly banning others. And he didn't want anyone "angry" at him.
Tonight he tells me he;s under NO obligation to restrict access to pornographic material.
I was told before to PLEASE take any concerns about minors to the moderators and please do it privately. qjakal you were one of the mods who requested me to do so. I have now done so and you say I'm a tattletale? A tattletale rats out others on insignificant issues, are you another mod who believes it's quite all right for chuildren to access pornography?
Tron
I gave my concerns to Myriads a few days ago. He said if he banned minors he'd end up inadvertantly banning others. And he didn't want anyone "angry" at him.
Tonight he tells me he;s under NO obligation to restrict access to pornographic material.
I was told before to PLEASE take any concerns about minors to the moderators and please do it privately. qjakal you were one of the mods who requested me to do so. I have now done so and you say I'm a tattletale? A tattletale rats out others on insignificant issues, are you another mod who believes it's quite all right for chuildren to access pornography?
Tron
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Most...
Sites of this nature ban the person until they provide proof. Then again most sites take there moderators and protecting their ADULT members seriously.
Mimi sorry. moderation does not consist of booting people from the chatroom, much as you like to think it does. On a site like this there are LEGAL issues and unfortunately for the members here the mods don't take child access to porn all that seriously.
TRon
Sites of this nature ban the person until they provide proof. Then again most sites take there moderators and protecting their ADULT members seriously.
Mimi sorry. moderation does not consist of booting people from the chatroom, much as you like to think it does. On a site like this there are LEGAL issues and unfortunately for the members here the mods don't take child access to porn all that seriously.
TRon
Privately?
Sorry Tron...wrong guy. I never made such a request. Personally I'd like us to restrict to 21 or higher but that's because I'm a grouchy old man and don't think even 20 is mature....besides, we DO have feature called Private Messaging, and you did skip it, and post directly on the forum anyway, so I think the description is apt enough. Q
Sorry Tron...wrong guy. I never made such a request. Personally I'd like us to restrict to 21 or higher but that's because I'm a grouchy old man and don't think even 20 is mature....besides, we DO have feature called Private Messaging, and you did skip it, and post directly on the forum anyway, so I think the description is apt enough. Q
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In This Case...
I didn't. I posted my concerns to myriads over the course of a few days. He assured me it would be taken care of, THEN when he found out it wouldn't be easy he decided it's quite allright for children to access this place AND said so in the chatroom. His reason was he doubted he'd be legally liable. He is liable. Let alone ethically and morally responsible for restricting access to those under 18.
As for you, the law does allow under 21 year olds in here. (I do agree with you by the way). But it does NOT allow under 18 year olds. Therefore when it's suspected someone is under 18 they should be banned, ESPECIALLY when 6 months ago the member admitted to being 16!!!
Tron
I didn't. I posted my concerns to myriads over the course of a few days. He assured me it would be taken care of, THEN when he found out it wouldn't be easy he decided it's quite allright for children to access this place AND said so in the chatroom. His reason was he doubted he'd be legally liable. He is liable. Let alone ethically and morally responsible for restricting access to those under 18.
As for you, the law does allow under 21 year olds in here. (I do agree with you by the way). But it does NOT allow under 18 year olds. Therefore when it's suspected someone is under 18 they should be banned, ESPECIALLY when 6 months ago the member admitted to being 16!!!
Tron
Actually, as a chat room moderator, yes moderating DOES consist of booting people from the chat room. Why else would we even HAVE a boot function? And considering I am a moderator at the TMF, and you are not, I would think that would mean I know a good bit more about what moderation requires than you do.
And none of us are belittling the seriousness of minors on the forum. We are simply stating that only so much can be done, and in order to take action, we need proof. If you have legitimate proof to back your claims, great, bring them. If not, you're just blowing steam.
Mimi
And none of us are belittling the seriousness of minors on the forum. We are simply stating that only so much can be done, and in order to take action, we need proof. If you have legitimate proof to back your claims, great, bring them. If not, you're just blowing steam.
Mimi
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Mimi..
I moderate on TWO websites, and was moderating before you knew what the internet was. And moderating means you have to make some tough decisions, obviously the mods here don't take child porn seriously... or more correctly access to porn by children. You all see to think, Hey, I'll ask the criminal for proof he's not a criminal. And if said criminal says no I won't provide proof, you seem to think, Gee he must not be guilty.
Tron
I moderate on TWO websites, and was moderating before you knew what the internet was. And moderating means you have to make some tough decisions, obviously the mods here don't take child porn seriously... or more correctly access to porn by children. You all see to think, Hey, I'll ask the criminal for proof he's not a criminal. And if said criminal says no I won't provide proof, you seem to think, Gee he must not be guilty.
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I appreciate the chance to clarify the TMF's policy on minors.
The TMF's no minor rule is a volentary one that we decided upon for a number of reasons. The prime one, being that we are a place where adults gather to discuss their sexualities, and mixing minors into that stew is in our eyes, a bad idea. This is a place where adult sexual interactions take place, and we feel that children are not equipped to handle all the problems that can come from interacting with adults on that level. So we want to keep such interactions from happening.
But, we are under no legal obligation to block anyone from the forum. What we do, we do because we choose to. We feel it's right. The obligations we have are self created not leagly mandated.
Are there minors here? Perhaps. I have no way of knowing unless they admit it. And until the web demands you sign in with a thumbprint/bioscan none of us will be able to ever know at a glance. This is as faceless a medium as you'll ever find. I'll not demand ID from every user who joins, beyond the statement of age that they click through on joining. Will people lie? Yes. How do we find them? Good question. There is no answer. So we muddle along.
You want to call the police or other law enforcment agencies in on us?
Be my guest.
I've long since done my homework in the legal exposures of this place. I have no concerns.
As always, I appreciate your concern for the forums well being.
Myriads
The TMF's no minor rule is a volentary one that we decided upon for a number of reasons. The prime one, being that we are a place where adults gather to discuss their sexualities, and mixing minors into that stew is in our eyes, a bad idea. This is a place where adult sexual interactions take place, and we feel that children are not equipped to handle all the problems that can come from interacting with adults on that level. So we want to keep such interactions from happening.
But, we are under no legal obligation to block anyone from the forum. What we do, we do because we choose to. We feel it's right. The obligations we have are self created not leagly mandated.
Are there minors here? Perhaps. I have no way of knowing unless they admit it. And until the web demands you sign in with a thumbprint/bioscan none of us will be able to ever know at a glance. This is as faceless a medium as you'll ever find. I'll not demand ID from every user who joins, beyond the statement of age that they click through on joining. Will people lie? Yes. How do we find them? Good question. There is no answer. So we muddle along.
You want to call the police or other law enforcment agencies in on us?
Be my guest.
I've long since done my homework in the legal exposures of this place. I have no concerns.
As always, I appreciate your concern for the forums well being.
Myriads
Re: Mimi..
We do take "Child Porn" very seriously. You do not, nor will never, see examples of child pornography on this site. And if and when they do creep up, they are killed immediately.
Was that an honest miswording, or are you attempting to make your case against us more serious than it is?
Mimi
Neutron said:
We do take "Child Porn" very seriously. You do not, nor will never, see examples of child pornography on this site. And if and when they do creep up, they are killed immediately.
Was that an honest miswording, or are you attempting to make your case against us more serious than it is?
Mimi
the idea of kids being here is pretty distasteful but like myr says,the nets an anonymous place.if it was a bar with kids in there`s i.d.`s and a physical presence to go on,here there`s none of that,it`s like millions of other adult sites on the net,you click on the over 18 button and you`re there.i understand your point,now you`ve brought it up i`m uneasy about the possibility of kids being here but,if you think about it calmly,it`s not a perfect world and kids are clicking on over 18 buttons on much worse sites in their millions every hour,it`s sad but it`s reality these days.maybe you should take it up with their parents tron if you know of anyone personally who`s under age and coming here,that would probably do more good for them than blaming one of the many millions of sites that this must be happening to,it`ll probably do more good for the kid/kids too don`t you think.
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Condone it?
No no no - the mods do not "condone" it - they very honestly admit that there is little they can do about it. Please be realistic. Why attack your own community about this? Go attack one of the other millions of websites which are far worse! And what's even worse is your trying to make the mods and Myriads look bad...CUT IT OUT man! They do a great job here!
TA
No no no - the mods do not "condone" it - they very honestly admit that there is little they can do about it. Please be realistic. Why attack your own community about this? Go attack one of the other millions of websites which are far worse! And what's even worse is your trying to make the mods and Myriads look bad...CUT IT OUT man! They do a great job here!
TA
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Re: Condone it?
Well said Terra_ascension!!!!! Stop attacking our community and our mods!!!!!! If you don't like it here move on somewhere else, and find something wrong with another....because I assure you that you will!
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Terra_Ascension said:No no no - the mods do not "condone" it - they very honestly admit that there is little they can do about it. Please be realistic. Why attack your own community about this? Go attack one of the other millions of websites which are far worse! And what's even worse is your trying to make the mods and Myriads look bad...CUT IT OUT man! They do a great job here!
TA
Well said Terra_ascension!!!!! Stop attacking our community and our mods!!!!!! If you don't like it here move on somewhere else, and find something wrong with another....because I assure you that you will!
🙄 how are you y'all again?
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