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Words & phrases that should be removed from our vocabulary

I'm crushed :idunno: Luckily, unless your name is Dave or Hari, I didn't invite you..sooo....your response is somewhat unnecessary...not to mention the fact that it was a joke. I didn't attack you or your ridiculous thread, so why don't you back off like a good little girl.

Well I thought you did invite me to join your bastard club okay, if I was wrong I was wrong, no big deal. My thread isn't ridiculous and I don't think ANY of my threads are ridiculous so don't get an attitude with me. Don't call me little girl, I am 36 and probably older than you anyway. You don't have to be a bitch about it.
 
I agree with Slacker, sorry Jen, but I think you're delusional!

Censorship is wrong, and it reeks of fascism. Just like busting these kids out there who get caught with a couple joints and get three months in JuVe. That's an obstruction of justice, just like censorship. Just like movies that get censored and edited so that people of all ages can watch them. I'm sorry but an R rated movie is not for everyone, and that is why we have ratings because not everyone can watch mature content. Although I was pissed to see eight year olds with their parents at the Saw V premire.

Anyway, this is America, and people have a right to speak their minds. The voice of descent will always be available to the American people, as it should be. And let me ask you how we should take out those words, Jen? Should we brainwash every person on the planet and block those words out of their heads, or just erase our minds completely so we can never say the words again?

I love you, Jen, but I think you've lost your mind lol!

No offense jersey but I am WAY OLDER THAN YOU & HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN LIFE THAN YOU! I am not saying to censor EVERY WORD THAT'S NASTY WORD OR PHRASE IN OUR VOCABULARY! I haven't lost my mind or delusional in any way! I am entitled to my opinion and in a way I think it's worse to criticize someone for being born of two unwed parents than it is to be racist or make fun of them for some other reason. My point is I don't think THAT IT SHOULD HAVE EVER BEEN CONSIDERED TABOO TO BE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK! That is something that is completely out of someone's control.

So jersey, if you think that it's okay for people to people to judge someone being born out of wedlock and make them feel bad for something that's completely out of their control then that's your decision. You're right this is America and people do have the right to speak their minds but that doesn't mean that their always correct or right in what they say. I would appreciate it jersey, if you could at least respect my opinion.
 
The term "bastard" has really lost it's original meaning since it was entered into the English language. Now, I feel it's meaning is more synonymous with "asshole" but of course depends on the context and intent when using it.

The stigma with the whole "being born out of wedlock" thing, I felt was more judgment on the parents who were engaged in pre-marital sex than the child who had no fault in it.

Although, to say that not liking someone because they were born out of wedlock is worse than being racist is kind of stupid. I mean, no one can control who their parents are or what race they are, but meh, everyone's got an opinion...

I, too, think censorship is ridiculous, but people will object to any and everything.
 
The term "bastard" has really lost it's original meaning since it was entered into the English language. Now, I feel it's meaning is more synonymous with "asshole" but of course depends on the context and intent when using it.

The stigma with the whole "being born out of wedlock" thing, I felt was more judgment on the parents who were engaged in pre-marital sex than the child who had no fault in it.

Although, to say that not liking someone because they were born out of wedlock is worse than being racist is kind of stupid. I mean, no one can control who their parents are or what race they are, but meh, everyone's got an opinion...

I, too, think censorship is ridiculous, but people will object to any and everything.

Well I agree with most of what you said but I will say that I guess it was kind of stupid to say that not liking someone because they were born out of wedlock is worse than being a racist. I will say though that those kind of go hand in hand because exactly people can't help being born out of wedlock, what circumstances they were born or what race they are.

Which kind of proves my point that in general it's stupid to make fun or dislike someone because of their race, religion or if they were born out of wedlock. I think the whole idea of being a racist, calling someone a nasty name or there being a stigma because they were born out of wedlock and being mean to someone because they have some kind of disability is all stupid anyway. I feel that if a child is born out of wedlock, the parents should be judged and not the child like you said.

However, when a child is called an illegitimate child or something like that, it seems like in a way they are being judged and it's like wearing a scarlet letter. It's not fair to the child. People are entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean it's always fair or right. Our society is weird sometimes.
 
I feel like we had this discussion already...and me and...somebody..decided to start a bastard club LOL Dave and Hari...you in?? I'm not sure who our other founding member is...but when I find him I'll let ya know 🙂

I do remember he had some awesome slogans for us LOL

That was Dussicar......he's a really sick man (in a good way)!

Like slacker said, if you don't like a word, simply don't use it! I don't care for either the "N" or the "B" words, so instead of desiring them out the dictionary, I just don't use them and would greatly appreciate if they weren't used around me.
 
That was Dussicar......he's a really sick man (in a good way)!

Like slacker said, if you don't like a word, simply don't use it! I don't care for either the "N" or the "B" words, so instead of desiring them out the dictionary, I just don't use them and would greatly appreciate if they weren't used around me.

Would you look at that. A reasonable attempt at avoiding words that offend you. I feel the same way about the N word...and I do the same things to avoid it. I don't use it, and prefer people don't use it in my presence. It seems to work for me and kis! Try it GWL2L, instead of trying to rearrange the entire English language because you're sensitive about something.

*rolls eyes*
 
How anybody can draw a connection between expressing the opinion that it's better not to use certain terms, and censorship, is beyond me. Censorship is only an issue when a government is exercising coercion. To express the opinion that use of a term is inappropriate, and to persuade private businesses of journalism and broadcasting to exclude certain terms from usage in their own media voluntarily, has nothing whatever to do with censorship. Moreover, the use of the phrase "the PC Nazis" is appalling to me. To compare a person who expresses the opinion that people should use language in a considerate manner with mass murderers makes no sense. I think people who use the term "Nazi" to refer to everything they disagree with is disregarding the real evil that Naziism was and is.

What's more, there have always been norms of etiquette and appropriateness of terms. All that changes is what the actual norms are. Now, if people were in danger of being arrested and jailed for use of offending terms, it would make sense to me to say we had a problem. I'm the first to believe in freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does not, and can never, mean freedom from being criticized for one's speech.

I have come to the conclusion that the definition of political correctness, for some people, is any suggestion that we should behave like decent human beings in our use of language and custom. Political correctness happens to be at the top of my list of terms I think we'd be better off without. And I happen to agree that "illegitimate child" is a bad term. I won't favor having you arrested for using it, but I certainly may regard you as a less-than-considerate person for it.
 
How anybody can draw a connection between expressing the opinion that it's better not to use certain terms, and censorship, is beyond me. Censorship is only an issue when a government is exercising coercion. To express the opinion that use of a term is inappropriate, and to persuade private businesses of journalism and broadcasting to exclude certain terms from usage in their own media voluntarily, has nothing whatever to do with censorship.

My only disagreement is that she didn't merely say, "Hey ya'll, I think this isn't exactly the friendliest way to go about this." She specifically said these words should be banned from the English language. I don't know if I'd call that censorship exactly, I'm not getting into that part of the debate. All I'm saying is it's a bit more than her preference not to use those words.

**Your Nazi comment should be here, but I accidentely deleted it. I agree with this point. The term _____ Nazi is thrown around way too lightly, by myself also. It does really take away from the true evil the Nazi's represent.


What's more, there have always been norms of etiquette and appropriateness of terms. All that changes is what the actual norms are. Now, if people were in danger of being arrested and jailed for use of offending terms, it would make sense to me to say we had a problem. I'm the first to believe in freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does not, and can never, mean freedom from being criticized for one's speech.

I agree. Example: My grandparents were going on a trip, and were at the airport getting their bags. My 88-year-old grandmother, who might i say is the LEAST racist woman on the planet, saw a black man with a uniform who obviously worked at the airport, and yelled to him, "Oh boy! Would you carry these for me?" Obviously my mother was embrassed and apologized, and luckily the man wasn't offended. He understood that, although inappropriate, it was just an illustration of what was unfortunately acceptable in her day and age. Now, on the flip side. I have a black guy friend, who one day, snuck up on me and scared me. I turned around and said, "Oh my God!! Boy you scared the shit out of me!" and no one batted an eye. I obviously wasn't saying "boy" in the same condescending way it was used years ago, even though it was the same word.

"Bastard" is the same. Years ago you would hear people talk about the bastard down the street, meaning the kid who's mother got knocked up before she was married. Nowadays, the bastard down the street is the little kid who threw corn at your house on Mischief Night. It's the same word, completely different meaning.

To eliminate the word completely is ridiculous, especially when it's rarely used in the way that GWL2L is finding offensive.

And I happen to agree that "illegitimate child" is a bad term. I won't favor having you arrested for using it, but I certainly may regard you as a less-than-considerate person for it.

I can certainly see where calling someone "illegitmate" can be offensive. And for that reason, I don't use that expression when referring to a child born out of wedlock. Honestly, it's so common nowadays I wouldn't even differentiate between a child born of wed parents and child born of unwed parents. If I did, I would probably say, "Little Jimmy...yeah...his parents aren't married," and have that be it.


I honestly think that GWL2L is being too sensitive and extreme about the issue. If you don't like to be called those things, request that people don't refer to you that way. But you can't expect the entire language to change because you're sensitive that you were born to unwed parents. Many people, me, Dave2112, Hari and Dussie to name a few, aren't at all sensitive about being born of unwed parents. It's not the 1920s. Shit happens. People really don't care that much anymore.
 
Well I thought you did invite me to join your bastard club okay, if I was wrong I was wrong, no big deal. My thread isn't ridiculous and I don't think ANY of my threads are ridiculous so don't get an attitude with me. Don't call me little girl, I am 36 and probably older than you anyway. You don't have to be a bitch about it.

And I was going to just ignore this, but since I'm here...

I don't care if you're 2 or 102...if you talk to me the way you did, I'm going to respond the way I did. Plain and simple. My first post in this thread was in no way disrespectful to you or your ideas. It was light and humorous. YOU are the one who decided to kick it up and notch.

I hope we can continue this debate like two adults...regardless of which one of us happens to have been an adult longer.
 
Well, it's not really a matter of terms being banned--just a matter of people being persuaded not to use them. It's still nowhere near bordering on censorship to say that, the more people in society agree that using the term "illegitimate child" is inappropriate behavior, the better. And I think even you are agreeing that addressing an adult black male as "boy" is inappropriate, without disagreeing that there's a difference between a slip of the tongue and an intentional insult. (Understanding that the term also exists as "oh boy" when it's not a direct address at all doesn't contradict that.) But much of the time, people use the term "political correctness" for what would more accurately be called "efforts to make language more sensitive and inclusive."
 
But much of the time, people use the term "political correctness" for what would more accurately be called "efforts to make language more sensitive and inclusive."

I agree with what you are saying. I just still don't agree with GWL2L's OP or her arguments that came thereafter.
 
I'm crushed :idunno: Luckily, unless your name is Dave or Hari, I didn't invite you..sooo....your response is somewhat unnecessary...not to mention the fact that it was a joke. I didn't attack you or your ridiculous thread, so why don't you back off like a good little girl.

Can I be in your bastard club?

By the way...please ban the words
CHIEF
BUDDY
CHAMP
 
I can see Southpark now....

Oh my God, you killed Kenny!!! You hoodlums!!
 
I have three thoughts on this:
1) Being born out of wed lock is no longer the taboo it once was. Its been a while sense I have heard on the news "The little bastard weight 8 lbs. 7oz.."

2) When I hear someone being called a bastard my first thought isn't "wow, his parents were not married when he was born."

3) Maybe the most important point is there are far worse names and labels out there.

LOL...three very good, supportive points to this argument!

YOU ARE ALL BASTARDS, BUT I LOVE YOU!!!!
 
No offense jersey but I am WAY OLDER THAN YOU & HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN LIFE THAN YOU! I am not saying to censor EVERY WORD THAT'S NASTY WORD OR PHRASE IN OUR VOCABULARY! I haven't lost my mind or delusional in any way! I am entitled to my opinion and in a way I think it's worse to criticize someone for being born of two unwed parents than it is to be racist or make fun of them for some other reason. My point is I don't think THAT IT SHOULD HAVE EVER BEEN CONSIDERED TABOO TO BE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK! That is something that is completely out of someone's control.

So jersey, if you think that it's okay for people to people to judge someone being born out of wedlock and make them feel bad for something that's completely out of their control then that's your decision. You're right this is America and people do have the right to speak their minds but that doesn't mean that their always correct or right in what they say. I would appreciate it jersey, if you could at least respect my opinion.
Wow...age has nothing to do with experience. In fact, many older people show naivety and fail to adapt to a smarter, younger environment. My grandmother is 75 and she needs me to explain to her that the ass flap of her pjs goes in the back.

THE BACK GRANDMA, THE BACK!!! FUCK!!!!
 
Wow...age has nothing to do with experience. In fact, many older people show naivety and fail to adapt to a smarter, younger environment. My grandmother is 75 and she needs me to explain to her that the ass flap of her pjs goes in the back.

THE BACK GRANDMA, THE BACK!!! FUCK!!!!

lmao - i fuckin love you - why did you get offline like RIGHT before i got on?? damn you!!!
 
Of course you can!!!

P.S. Don't forget GAYLORD!! LOL

LMAO!!!! I didn't forget Gaylord; conversely, Gaylord is a name and banning Gaylord would include the bannishment of individuals by the name of Gaylord. At the very least they would have to shorten their name to Gay and I couldn't see doing that to someone. Gay is a lifestyle, not a pronoun.😱
 
LMAO!!!! I didn't forget Gaylord; conversely, Gaylord is a name and banning Gaylord would include the bannishment of individuals by the name of Gaylord. At the very least they would have to shorten their name to Gay and I couldn't see doing that to someone. Gay is a lifestyle, not a pronoun.😱

LMAO omg *squish* I lovers you
 
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