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Wrestling Fans: Who is your favorite wrestler of all time?
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TklDuo-Ann
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Re: Didn't Just About..
I'd hardly call Kurt little, though he is a bit smaller than some of the other guys. As for some of your other comments...
Ya know, Mike, for someone who comes accross like they know so much (including your assumption that NONE of these guys are true athletes) about wrestling, you keep proving your LACK of knowledge. For instance, I would think you would know that Kurt is a gold medal winner in the Olympics and one of the best wrestlers around. Add to the list Brock Lesnar, and Kurts former team mates (can't think of the names at the moment). All three are world class wrestlers who have won a variety of collegiate and amature wrestling awards for their athletic skills. Among the other wrestlers are former football players and other athletes.
Just because the show is planned doesn't mean that these guys don't have to be in terrific shape to do the things they do. (It annoys the hell out of me when people assume that they're better than anyone else.) When was the last time anyone here worked up to a standing position from being flat on your back with a 250# plus guy on top of you using nothing but leg and back muscle? Hell, I couldn't do that in my best days! Don't be so quick to judge. If you don't like the show, that's cool. But, get the facts straight before you start tossing criticism around.
Ann
Neutron said:
I'd hardly call Kurt little, though he is a bit smaller than some of the other guys. As for some of your other comments...
Ya know, Mike, for someone who comes accross like they know so much (including your assumption that NONE of these guys are true athletes) about wrestling, you keep proving your LACK of knowledge. For instance, I would think you would know that Kurt is a gold medal winner in the Olympics and one of the best wrestlers around. Add to the list Brock Lesnar, and Kurts former team mates (can't think of the names at the moment). All three are world class wrestlers who have won a variety of collegiate and amature wrestling awards for their athletic skills. Among the other wrestlers are former football players and other athletes.
Just because the show is planned doesn't mean that these guys don't have to be in terrific shape to do the things they do. (It annoys the hell out of me when people assume that they're better than anyone else.) When was the last time anyone here worked up to a standing position from being flat on your back with a 250# plus guy on top of you using nothing but leg and back muscle? Hell, I couldn't do that in my best days! Don't be so quick to judge. If you don't like the show, that's cool. But, get the facts straight before you start tossing criticism around.
Ann
Re: Once again, facts are misrepresented
Rick is Canadian? I guess he wasn't putting that French accent on then? LOL
Yes I very much regret the passing of Dave Smith, but he had no-one to blame but himself. He knocked back roids the same way most people do chocolate bars. It was a tragedy waiting to happen. One of the few things I agree with Hellwig about, is that the tragedies of Owen and Davey can't be compared. Davey died through his own idiocy and dependancy, Owen died through an accident that should have been completely safe, considering the equipment and safety staff they were using. It was a 1 in 1000 fluke that took his life.
And don't even get me stared on that book of Diane Hart-Smith's! 😱 Scary stuff......
Lazarus said:
Rick is Canadian? I guess he wasn't putting that French accent on then? LOL
Yes I very much regret the passing of Dave Smith, but he had no-one to blame but himself. He knocked back roids the same way most people do chocolate bars. It was a tragedy waiting to happen. One of the few things I agree with Hellwig about, is that the tragedies of Owen and Davey can't be compared. Davey died through his own idiocy and dependancy, Owen died through an accident that should have been completely safe, considering the equipment and safety staff they were using. It was a 1 in 1000 fluke that took his life.
And don't even get me stared on that book of Diane Hart-Smith's! 😱 Scary stuff......
Re: correction
Just had another thought. It would have been interesting to see just how close Davey got to the World Title if his IC reign hadn't been so cut short in 92. That pay dispute really put a crimper on things, didn't it? It also ushered in the era of Monsiur Hickenbottom as the Heir Apparent, which isn't something I like to remember.
I have a question. Am I the only fan in the world who DIDN'T like Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair?
Michaels was talented as hell and unlike Marty Janetty, knew how to keep his nose to the grindstone. That's why he didn't waste away like Marty. I hated the bugger though. (The character that is, not the man.) Seeing him on screen made me want to shatter it with a shovel! Maybe that's just his talent for portraying himself. Ho-hum.
Ric Flair is also lauded as one of the greatest of all time with a great promo cuting talent. Personally I couldn't stand to watch the guy. He had this unbelievably stupid thing he did when he got clocked to the head. He'd turn around, walk normally away for about five paces, stagger another three and then flapjack himself right onto his face. I've never seen anything that gave away the fact that the business is planned in my entire life. And promos? The guy reminded me of some of those 'Soap Stars' wannabes, who had no acting talent so they just started shouting in the hope that volume covered up their talentlesness. But I'm well aware that I'm a lone voice on that one. Ric Flair is loved and admired throughout the business, so I'll just wind my neck in.
I think having a low pain threshold might be an advantage in the business. Heh heh. I have such a low pain threshold that chest chops were agony. A simple wristlock and I started howling.
No wonder I never stayed around. 😉
Lazarus said:
Just had another thought. It would have been interesting to see just how close Davey got to the World Title if his IC reign hadn't been so cut short in 92. That pay dispute really put a crimper on things, didn't it? It also ushered in the era of Monsiur Hickenbottom as the Heir Apparent, which isn't something I like to remember.
I have a question. Am I the only fan in the world who DIDN'T like Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair?
Michaels was talented as hell and unlike Marty Janetty, knew how to keep his nose to the grindstone. That's why he didn't waste away like Marty. I hated the bugger though. (The character that is, not the man.) Seeing him on screen made me want to shatter it with a shovel! Maybe that's just his talent for portraying himself. Ho-hum.
Ric Flair is also lauded as one of the greatest of all time with a great promo cuting talent. Personally I couldn't stand to watch the guy. He had this unbelievably stupid thing he did when he got clocked to the head. He'd turn around, walk normally away for about five paces, stagger another three and then flapjack himself right onto his face. I've never seen anything that gave away the fact that the business is planned in my entire life. And promos? The guy reminded me of some of those 'Soap Stars' wannabes, who had no acting talent so they just started shouting in the hope that volume covered up their talentlesness. But I'm well aware that I'm a lone voice on that one. Ric Flair is loved and admired throughout the business, so I'll just wind my neck in.
I think having a low pain threshold might be an advantage in the business. Heh heh. I have such a low pain threshold that chest chops were agony. A simple wristlock and I started howling.
No wonder I never stayed around. 😉
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I Met Shamrock..
After a UFC event in Cleveland. He's a little guy, got his ass whipped in a bar fight by some dude that weighed 190 pounds. Same bar two years earlier Kevin Nash got [ummeled by some dude who couldn't have weighed 200 pounds.
Saw Angle once too. Again a tiny little sprout. I could care less if he's an Olympic wrestler. I've never met a wrestler of any type whose ass I couldn't put in a sling, then again I'm a real athlete.
I DO my research Ann, and I'll tell you right now, no steroid pumped freak is ever gonna beat a real athlete in anything. They're actors, no more, no less. You talk about Foley, he made something like 90 million dollars (minimum) acting. Put him in a real sport, where there is real risk, play after play after play, and the contact isn't controlled, he lasts a year max. Take away the 90 million he made, he'd have quit long ago.
Hogan, the saviour of wrestling, was a BASS player in a band when he was discovered. Never did anything athletic in his life. Some "athlete" eh?
Great actors though. Oh and they do keep the Steroid industry in business.
Tron
After a UFC event in Cleveland. He's a little guy, got his ass whipped in a bar fight by some dude that weighed 190 pounds. Same bar two years earlier Kevin Nash got [ummeled by some dude who couldn't have weighed 200 pounds.
Saw Angle once too. Again a tiny little sprout. I could care less if he's an Olympic wrestler. I've never met a wrestler of any type whose ass I couldn't put in a sling, then again I'm a real athlete.
I DO my research Ann, and I'll tell you right now, no steroid pumped freak is ever gonna beat a real athlete in anything. They're actors, no more, no less. You talk about Foley, he made something like 90 million dollars (minimum) acting. Put him in a real sport, where there is real risk, play after play after play, and the contact isn't controlled, he lasts a year max. Take away the 90 million he made, he'd have quit long ago.
Hogan, the saviour of wrestling, was a BASS player in a band when he was discovered. Never did anything athletic in his life. Some "athlete" eh?
Great actors though. Oh and they do keep the Steroid industry in business.
Tron
Re: I Met Shamrock..
90 million????? Tron have you been hanging around leaky reactors too long again?
Hogan's main asset was his love of weights and shouting. (Not as many steroids as many I could mention.) Agreed that the business has seen more athletic people than him.
Okay, so the business is contrived and planned. Does that make it acting? I'd prefer to say it has some theatrical content. Before you spout any more utter pants, try leaping off a 16 foot cage onto a concrete floor (via a chipboard table), taking a shot to the head with a chair, bat, hammer etc, swung by a bloke in the mid-6 foot range and weighing 250. Hurts yeah? Then imagine doing that week in and week out for 10 or 15 years. No-one who isn't an athlete in their own way cold last. It may be a different type of athletiscism to what footballers are used to, but athletiscism it is. You may not like that, but tough noogies.
Neutron said:
90 million?????
Tron have you been hanging around leaky reactors too long again?Hogan's main asset was his love of weights and shouting. (Not as many steroids as many I could mention.) Agreed that the business has seen more athletic people than him.
Okay, so the business is contrived and planned. Does that make it acting? I'd prefer to say it has some theatrical content. Before you spout any more utter pants, try leaping off a 16 foot cage onto a concrete floor (via a chipboard table), taking a shot to the head with a chair, bat, hammer etc, swung by a bloke in the mid-6 foot range and weighing 250. Hurts yeah? Then imagine doing that week in and week out for 10 or 15 years. No-one who isn't an athlete in their own way cold last. It may be a different type of athletiscism to what footballers are used to, but athletiscism it is. You may not like that, but tough noogies.
So here's a thought. It's acting, right? The results are decided beforehand, right? So wrestling isn't competitive, right?
Wroooooooooooooooooooooong. It doesn't work like that. Wrestling is just as competitive as any other sport. (And I use the word 'sport' in full knowledge of it's connotations.)
Titles and exposure aren't granted because someone is handsome. (Although that never hurts you chances.) They're granted because you're good at what you do. In the business that usually means yiou're good at selling. The Rock isn't the best today because he's an ass-kicking, unbeatable son-of-a-bitch. He's the best because no-one makes his opponent look better than he does.
Guys in the business compete for titles, exposure and headlines just as much as they do in baseball, American football and boxing.
Wroooooooooooooooooooooong. It doesn't work like that. Wrestling is just as competitive as any other sport. (And I use the word 'sport' in full knowledge of it's connotations.)
Titles and exposure aren't granted because someone is handsome. (Although that never hurts you chances.) They're granted because you're good at what you do. In the business that usually means yiou're good at selling. The Rock isn't the best today because he's an ass-kicking, unbeatable son-of-a-bitch. He's the best because no-one makes his opponent look better than he does.
Guys in the business compete for titles, exposure and headlines just as much as they do in baseball, American football and boxing.
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I agree about Ric Flair, even though I hate his stupid face down "timber" bit, I do admire what he's done in the ring.
And I don't know how far the term acting can go when a guy gets picked up and dropped onto a mat, landing square on his tailbone.
Though a lot of the moves are staged, some of the guys just push it to the extreme.
Drew
And I don't know how far the term acting can go when a guy gets picked up and dropped onto a mat, landing square on his tailbone.
Though a lot of the moves are staged, some of the guys just push it to the extreme.
Drew
TklDuo-Drew said:
Definately. Although not me, I hasten to add. 😀
Most extreme thing I ever did was during a battle royal. (The only time I ever actually won anything, funnily enough) I got the idea from the Royal Rumble that year that it looked like the British Bulldog had won, but only one of Shawn Michaels feet touched down and he got back in to win.(94, 95 or 96 I think it was.) We were down to me, a bloke called Tom and the guy who trained me, Kris. Tom was about 5'10" and 170. Heh heh. He went to pick me up as if for a body slam, but acted as if my weight was too much. (At nearly 260 at the time, it would have been if I hadn't been bolstering myself with one hand on his hip.) Backing towards the ropes he backflipped gracefully over the top in a move that for some reason, he loved doing. As we went over together, I hooked my left leg through the middle and top ropes and they twined together around my ankle, trapping it in a vice. Tom landed in his usual, graceful heap on the floor ( No-one could land like a bag of shit like this guy!
) and I was hanging upside down, my head about three feet from the concrete. Now what I didn't know was that these two bastards (Tom and Kris) had put their heads together beforehand and planned something without my knowledge. My aversion to chest chops was a subject of some hillarity amongst the few guys who'd seen me train and wrestle. With me hanging upside down like the Hanged Man in a Tarot deck, Tom got up, pulled the front of my shirt up (or down to be strictly accurate) and started chopping. Kris slid out of the ring and joined him from the other side. Imagine 6'4'' and 260lbs of quivering heap, hanging inverted by one ankle on the ropes and look me in the eyes and say the thught doesn't raise just the weeniest titter?
I was howling like a stuck pig and the pair of them were hopelessly failing to look agressive and were in fact pissing themselves laughing! The most painful thing though, was the ropes around my ankle. I imagine being gelded is less painful. After what seemed like an hour they got into slugging each other and I somehow managed to disentangle myself and slide back in. Kris batters Tom, slings him back in with me and stomps back up the aisle. I gain a modicum of revenge and slam Tom onto the part of the ring where the boards had cracked the previous week, leaving a large dip. Muttering obscenities at me, Tom staggers back to his feet and I put him over the top. Yay for me!
As I go back up the aisle myself I pull off my shirt and look at what looks like a bad third degree burn on my chest. I eventually get back in the dressing room and every bastard (including most of the girls) are sniggering behind their hands and avoiding my gaze. Tom and Kris have by now taken refuge in the toilets, but their badly muffled sniggers give them away. In a wonderful, male-bonding type experience, Kris blames the whole incident on Tom and we stick him head first down the toilet bowl and flush him.
I then swear vengeance on Kris the following month, which never happens because the git has the lack of manners to break his ankle the next week and so can't turn up. Sadly, I never did get my own back on him for the "hangman incident".
One other thing....
Hulk Hogan-Terry Jean Bollea- was NOT discovered playing bass for his band, he was discovered at Venice (muscle) Beach, California, and was not into wrestling in the least, until he had brought some friends to a local match in Tampa, Florida, and went in to see what all the hububb was about....
(Ja, Jim, I used the word "hububb, even tho I do believe I misspelled it...)
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6'8 and around 250....
And as for a wrestler not being atheletic.....
As I had stated before, I have been a shootfighter since the age of 17 or so.....I haven't been in a fight I've ever lost....
You're an "athelete", Tron? How so?
Please explain yourself, and back up a statement you have made....
Wil
Hulk Hogan-Terry Jean Bollea- was NOT discovered playing bass for his band, he was discovered at Venice (muscle) Beach, California, and was not into wrestling in the least, until he had brought some friends to a local match in Tampa, Florida, and went in to see what all the hububb was about....
(Ja, Jim, I used the word "hububb, even tho I do believe I misspelled it...)
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6'8 and around 250....
And as for a wrestler not being atheletic.....
As I had stated before, I have been a shootfighter since the age of 17 or so.....I haven't been in a fight I've ever lost....
You're an "athelete", Tron? How so?
Please explain yourself, and back up a statement you have made....
Wil
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Some years back a teacher from Terry Bollea's former high school remembered him as a tall, chubby, clumsy kid who wasn't into athletics. Mr. Bollea himself stated in a televised interview that a few wrestlers (He mentioned no names) met him at Venice Beach and invited him to a "practice" session to see if he had any talent. He actually beat one of the wrestlers, but the guy got even with him after Mr. Bollea took the wrestling idea seriously, and broke his leg.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the late "Ravishing" Richard Ruud.
Rxx
Oh, and I forgot to mention the late "Ravishing" Richard Ruud.
Rxx
tkrexx said:
That was a Japanese guy, but his name fails to come to mind at the moment.
There was quite a gimic in wrestling schools (perhaps it still goes on) where the teacher would it think it highly amusing to seriously injure one of the students. Said student would then tell all his friends how "real" wrestling was.
A favourite was to wait till the student was on one knee, then drop a knee across the back of their rear ankle, snapping it like a carrot and inducing a serious Potts fracture. I've also heard of eye-gougings that actually blind the students, but don't actually know how genuine those stories are.Ah, Rick Rude. Another 'Roids' victim.
Re: One other thing....
Right letters, wrong combo. 😛 The double B goes in the middle. 😀
So he is actually 6' 8"? It always seemed to me that companies bullshit slightly about heights. When 'Prince Albert' first appeared from the depths of the costume department, he was "The 6'6" Prince Albert!" Then he became plain old 'Albert', or "The 6'8" Albert!" Then all of a sudden it's "The 6'10" A-Train!" One is almost tempted to add a "Good God almah-tee!" for perfection. 😀 Either that or he's discovered a new brand of Roids that make him grow an extra two inches every year.
And 250 at that height? I'm a full four inches shorter and weighed 250-260 at my most well trained. (Some four years back when I was a mere stripling of 21.)And I was never as Herculean in appearance as anyone who headlines in the WWF. (NO...I WILL NEVER CALL IT THE WW 'EFFING' E!!!) Maybe my thigh bones are just thicker than average? 😀
I'm about 250 now of course, but sadly, not much of it is muscle. (If any!)Bloody job!
Lazarus said:
Right letters, wrong combo. 😛 The double B goes in the middle. 😀
Lazarus said:
So he is actually 6' 8"? It always seemed to me that companies bullshit slightly about heights. When 'Prince Albert' first appeared from the depths of the costume department, he was "The 6'6" Prince Albert!" Then he became plain old 'Albert', or "The 6'8" Albert!" Then all of a sudden it's "The 6'10" A-Train!" One is almost tempted to add a "Good God almah-tee!" for perfection. 😀 Either that or he's discovered a new brand of Roids that make him grow an extra two inches every year.
And 250 at that height? I'm a full four inches shorter and weighed 250-260 at my most well trained. (Some four years back when I was a mere stripling of 21.)And I was never as Herculean in appearance as anyone who headlines in the WWF. (NO...I WILL NEVER CALL IT THE WW 'EFFING' E!!!) Maybe my thigh bones are just thicker than average? 😀
I'm about 250 now of course, but sadly, not much of it is muscle. (If any!)Bloody job!
BigJim said:
Surprising you dislike Flair so much. I always thought he was the best ever at taking a beating and making his opponent look good. Having played the heel most of his career, and the "privileged playboy" at that, fans always loved to see him "get his" by the hero of the moment.
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I am out of the wrestling loop but grew up with two brothers and guys on every location of the house watching wrestling...lol
I prefer The Rock (yummee)
Hulk Hogan (was yummee...lol)
Brett Hart (mmm/yummee)
triple H...yum
sensing a pattern here?🙂
I also like edge and the undertaker, cool🙂
🙂
I prefer The Rock (yummee)
Hulk Hogan (was yummee...lol)
Brett Hart (mmm/yummee)
triple H...yum
sensing a pattern here?🙂
I also like edge and the undertaker, cool🙂
🙂
Favorite -
Probably Andre the Giant, because you saw him so rarely, and it was always such a thrill when you did see him...plus, he was just HUGE and that's a big selling point when you're 8! LOL And speaking of being a young'n, those of you who remember will probably get a good laugh out of the fact that at that age, probably my second favorite wrestler was ... oh the humanity of admitting it.... Jerry Blackwell! ROTFL
Jake the Snake... sad case now, but man, in his prime!
Jimmy Snuka... STILL nobody soars like him
Animal and Hawk... LOD for YEARS had no equal
Undertaker... Awesome and probably the best ever character in wrestling. Even the change the past few years, it's better than A LOT of others!
As for the athelete/non-athelete thing... Man, I just don't know what criteria could be used. Some of these guys run sub 5 second 40yd dashes, bench press 500lbs, have 40inch vertical leaps... not to mention the coordination required to perform physical acts that skirt the finest of lines between crowd-pleasing stunt and life-long paralysis. And when did the ability to beat up someone become the standard for measuring atheletic aptitude? You could give Hewitt two racquets, and I ain't losing a fight with him. I'm pretty sure I could take Sara Hughes too... maybe.
Probably Andre the Giant, because you saw him so rarely, and it was always such a thrill when you did see him...plus, he was just HUGE and that's a big selling point when you're 8! LOL And speaking of being a young'n, those of you who remember will probably get a good laugh out of the fact that at that age, probably my second favorite wrestler was ... oh the humanity of admitting it.... Jerry Blackwell! ROTFL
Jake the Snake... sad case now, but man, in his prime!
Jimmy Snuka... STILL nobody soars like him
Animal and Hawk... LOD for YEARS had no equal
Undertaker... Awesome and probably the best ever character in wrestling. Even the change the past few years, it's better than A LOT of others!
As for the athelete/non-athelete thing... Man, I just don't know what criteria could be used. Some of these guys run sub 5 second 40yd dashes, bench press 500lbs, have 40inch vertical leaps... not to mention the coordination required to perform physical acts that skirt the finest of lines between crowd-pleasing stunt and life-long paralysis. And when did the ability to beat up someone become the standard for measuring atheletic aptitude? You could give Hewitt two racquets, and I ain't losing a fight with him. I'm pretty sure I could take Sara Hughes too... maybe.
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My 2 favorite wrestlers...
The ROCK... Damn JUST DAMN (is all I can say about him). *faints*
And Stone Cold Steve Austin AKA the Rattlesnake... AKA hey, doesn't he have about 30 more names?
I'll never forget when he saved Stephanie (who I don't like) from the Undertaker (who I love).
I love wrestling and watch it constantly. Which probably further proves that I am not normal.
Sunrise
Kurt Angle
RVD
Chris Jericho
Edge
My favorite female wrestlers aren't there anymore.... Lita and China.
And that new girl (not my favorite) Shakira or Shaniqua or whoever she is... Now she's just scary! :WOW:
*MY HERO! I wanna be like her when I grow up.* LOL 😛
Sunrise
The ROCK... Damn JUST DAMN (is all I can say about him). *faints*
And Stone Cold Steve Austin AKA the Rattlesnake... AKA hey, doesn't he have about 30 more names?
I'll never forget when he saved Stephanie (who I don't like) from the Undertaker (who I love).
I love wrestling and watch it constantly. Which probably further proves that I am not normal.
Sunrise
Kurt Angle
RVD
Chris Jericho
Edge
My favorite female wrestlers aren't there anymore.... Lita and China.
And that new girl (not my favorite) Shakira or Shaniqua or whoever she is... Now she's just scary! :WOW:
*MY HERO! I wanna be like her when I grow up.* LOL 😛
Sunrise
