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X-Men 3 good or bad?

tickle_feety said:
this i have to agree with, i mean wasnt juggernaught supposed to be xaviers half brother or summit... (i could be wrong though)



...and come to think of it, werent sabertooth and wolverine supposed to be mortal enemies in the comic book? i always though they had a history from wolverines early days...



entirely true, however he was willing to let mutants die in view of the 'greater good', rogue in the 1st anyone?
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Sabretooth and wolverine were in the same unit and then things happened....been a long time since i read the history so i dont know what exactly happened. Thing too is sabretooth has the same powers as wolverine, being an advanced healing factor, so simply by that, he should still be alive now, hell they showed Toad in xmen3 and he got hit by lightning

The issue with magneto is it makes him very coldblooded, which wasnt his case. He would sacrifice himself before letting his "children" die. I mean hell, he nearly killed himself creating asteroid M, which was to be a haven for mutants.
 
this i have to agree with, i mean wasnt juggernaught supposed to be xaviers half brother or summit... (i could be wrong though)
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Yes he was. This of course was totally removed because of the time contraints and story contraints on the movie.


...and come to think of it, werent sabertooth and wolverine supposed to be mortal enemies in the comic book? i always though they had a history from wolverines early days...
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Also correct. If memory serves, both Wolverine and Sabertooth were part of the Weapons X program that gave wolverine his adimantium.

entirely true, however he was willing to let mutants die in view of the 'greater good', rogue in the 1st anyone?
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hm...perhaps, and i see what your saying about rogue, but the situations were very different. Magneto could have been throwing barrages of cars from the start and other large pieces of debri.
 
mtTicklemonster said:
Okay, biggest bummer for me Cyclopse dying. I didn't like it.

Prof X dying... yeah that was a bummer too. But he came back in the conscienceness of another person at the end, for the people that watch those specials about x3 and heard about the special ending after the credits and saw that.

I do believe that the Pheonix is really that powerful. I don't like that they made Wolverine the hero though. It seems like he's the main star and it's bugging me. I mean in the first movie he saved Rogue in the end and stuff, and in the second one the main story line was focused around him and the guy that created him and now the third one he killed the Pheonix (which i'm sure could come back)...i heard they were gonna make Wolverine spin off movies so they don't need to make him the main star in these movies too because then there's no point for the spinoff.

I did really enjoy the movie though and I'm sure I could think of other stuff to say but it's long so i'm shutting up, adios.
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Ah, but you're forgetting the first sacred rule of comics: if you don't see a body, he's not dead. (the second is: if you do see a body, he's not dead) We don't actually SEE Scott die. He probably did. And Jean basically said as much when she asked Logan to kill her before she kills again, but she could have been confused. No body. Scott Summers may very well be alive.

I admit, I didn't see the extra scene at the end, but I figured out the way for Xavier to return when they showed that perfectly healthy, but brain dead body at the beginning of the film, during that ethics class or whatever it was he was teaching. After Xavier died, I figured he projected his consciousness into it.

As for Logan, it's only natural he's the star of the films; he's the star of the books. Wolverine is the single most popular X-Man out there. He's in every X-Men book out there, his own series, and New Avengers. He also appears on the cover of Wizard magazine, like, 800 times a year. So his lage roles in the films don't really surprise me. I'm just glad they got Hugh Jackman to play him. I think he does an excellent job.
 
I'll wait till it comes out on DVD!

I used enjoy seeing summer blockbusters as soon as they came out in the theaters. But now, " I'll see it when i'll see it", I've grown tired of the weak sequels and remakes over last few years. Doubt if I ever see go to the theaters again. With technology moving so fast, you can stay at home and watch first run movies. The major movie studios have started experimenting with this idea using the net. Soon the cable company's will start having this feature with their "ON DEMAND" movies. All this means nothing without quality movies to watch.
 
I agree with most of the criticisms here.

I liked singers version of the x-men better. I think ratner just had summer blockbuster in mind.

I don't mind some of the liberties they took. Making Juggernaut a mutant, and Jean grey a super mutant instead of cosmic entity binding or whatever to keep up with a movie continuity intead of a comic.

But my main problem is that it wasn't very consistent and they were to many characters with too little development.

Also, Magneto abadoning Mystique and using his mutants army as cannon fodder, Magneto seemed like a 1 dimensional villian. Proffesor X callous reactions to wolverine about the mental blocks seem completly out of character.

Also Angel's character was pointless, I think he was thrown in there just for the to appease the fans. There was so much more they could have done with him.
 
I'll be upfront about my perspective.... I'm NOT an X-men purist. I never read the comics, and I never intend to. Comics are ok and all, but I prefer movies.

That being said, I just went into this looking for a satisfying movie. I think X-men 3 delivered. Of the 3 movies, I think this one was almost as good as the 2nd one. I think it was better than the first movie though. Bryan Singer is undoubtedly a better director than Brett Ratner, but he still did a good job in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Ghost Rider and Superman Returns as well.
 
Cav88 said:
Also Angel's character was pointless, I think he was thrown in there just for the to appease the fans. There was so much more they could have done with him.
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okay, Angel was the son of the guy that created the "cure" so they put him in because of that I think, they wanted to show the father's reason for wanting to discover a cure and i'm sure other reasons that are in my head but can't put into words right now
 
I thought it was pretty good for what Ratner was trying to do. I agree with others who said it wasn't as good as the 1st or 2nd one, but he tried, dammit, lol.

I hate the Jean, Professor and Cyclops got killed........I can't believe he killed off such major characters, and it makes me wonder what he has in store for the next one. Especially without Magneto.

I've decided to read the comics and see how close the movies are to the original comics.

--T
 
Tam, instead of reading the comics, i would suggest just using wikpedia as they tend to have a fairly detailed description of the charactors, and their past. Reading the comics could take you a very long time if you just want to learn background info on people.
 
I loved this one...although I didn't like that Professor, Jean and Cyclops got killed...don't remember that being in the comics! And I also don't remember Rogue taking the "cure" to lose her powers. But I do think it was great and I can't wait to see the next (if there is going to be one).....with the characters and story lines from the comics they could have movies for the next ten years!
 
Cosmo_ac said:
Tam, instead of reading the comics, i would suggest just using wikpedia as they tend to have a fairly detailed description of the charactors, and their past. Reading the comics could take you a very long time if you just want to learn background info on people.
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Hey, Thanks Cos! I was actually talking with an avid Xmen comic fan, and he made everything seem pretty interesting, so I might still read them, but I will look up Widipedia tho. Thanks for the tip! :twohugs:

--T
 
Just saw the movie a few days ago and I did not think it was that good. the 1st and 2nd were the better of all 3. People I talked to said the same thing that it was not great. If you have not seen this movie yet save your money and rent it on tape when it comes out
 
aryz75 said:
I loved this one...although I didn't like that Professor, Jean and Cyclops got killed...don't remember that being in the comics!
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In the comics, Cyclops had died. He came back. I think Xavier is dead now. But I'm also sure he'll be back. Jean has died and come back so many times it's gotten monotonous. Colossus has also died, and he just recently came back. Captain America died. Came back. Even Cap's old partner, Bucky, who died in WWII came back. The Thing died and came back. Hence my earlier post about the character not being dead unless you see the body, and even then... Marvel never should have put a revolving door on heaven.
 
People keep talking about reading the comics for the backstories, I'll go ahead and tell you X3 has nothing to do with the comics. Its deviated so far from the actual plot here's a list of things they have in common.

-The characters names

Thats it. Their backstories, motivations, and for certain characters even powers are completely changed to make the movie run smoother. Pointing out discontinuity between the comics and these movies is like pointing out the fact that the plants are ruined in a burning house. It goes without saying.
 
After all the internet bashing over the movie, I went to see it over the weekend, and was quite pleased that I enjoyed it immensely! I can't wait to get it on dvd when it's released.

And the argument that it's deviated so much from the comics? When you consider that the original "Phoenix" storyline took place in outer space with umpteen characters, I had no problem with the changes. It...um...brought it 'back to earth' as far as I was concerned.
 
Fire Sprite said:
People keep talking about reading the comics for the backstories, I'll go ahead and tell you X3 has nothing to do with the comics. Its deviated so far from the actual plot here's a list of things they have in common.

-The characters names

Thats it. Their backstories, motivations, and for certain characters even powers are completely changed to make the movie run smoother. Pointing out discontinuity between the comics and these movies is like pointing out the fact that the plants are ruined in a burning house. It goes without saying.
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Actually, "omega kid" or whatever he was called, in the comics, he was a no name xavier student named quill

Right off the bat the series bothered me when they completely neglected the concept that sabretooth and wolverine had the same dogtags. In the comics, sabretooth and wolvie's past were key to their chars, in this, seemed to matter nothin, other than an unknown coincidence
 
MrMacphisto said:
I'll be upfront about my perspective.... I'm NOT an X-men purist. I never read the comics, and I never intend to. Comics are ok and all, but I prefer movies.
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My perspective, its comments like that which bug me. An example from when i saw X3. Sittin durin the previews,ghost rider came on. Odds are over 50% of the crowd didnt know who or what ghost rider was. Some kid was a few seats from me, his words were "I dont know who that it is but its a marvel, im prob gonna see it." My problem with that is theyre seeing it cuz of the genre, not cuz they got into the characters over years. They are blindly going into a movie simple cuz of the name sponsoring it. Its the same for any novel thats made into movie, the movies butcher the book so much that reading the book is nearly better cuz u get a better picture in your mind and the book supplies more content then the movie could ever do(i commend dreamcatcher tho, it was fluid and almost identical to the book)

So when i was a loyal comic fan from 3rd grade till freshman of college, reading these stories every day of my life, then seeing them put on screen, not being what theyre supposed to be and changed because the "non fans" want action and suspense, well that bothers me, because it is killing what something origionally was.
 
I guess money really does talk. These people have no loyalty to the people that MADE there product what it is.

Kust
 
I enjoyed it. It was a good summertime movie. I didnt have to think, just sit back and enjoy it. Also as a second sequal it wrapped up the story pretty well. Thats my 2 cents worth anyway. Does this make me the next Roger Ebbert?
 
ShiningIce said:
This was THE worst X-men EVER!! They killed Prof. X!!!! They killed Cyclops!!! (Although I really dont like him). They killed Jean Greay!!!! Magneto lost his powers!!!! Rogue lost her powers!!! WTF!!! Mystique lost hers too!!! Juggernaut is not a $#@$#!@$%@! mutant!!! The Phoenix is NOT a part of Jean Grey's psychee its an ENERGY BEING!!! What kind crack was that jackass director smoking???!!!
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You didn't stay till after the credits did you?
 
Illtcklu said:
You didn't stay till after the credits did you?
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Nor did I. But someone told me what happened.

I actually thought it was a good movie. But then I don't think I've seen the other two, so I have nothing to compare it to. Ahh, innocence is bliss. :upsidedow
 
Limeoutsider said:
I liked it

Anyone see the bonus scene at the end of the credits?
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I was just talking about that. Sure did.

I thought it was about the same as the other two really.
 
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