Yanneilucia's judgement

[Videotkl]

ugg this problem can be easily fix. list of info on the art in general is needed. for example there are animes and games with characters that look young but are actually well over the age guidelines. Etna from desgia is one of them. but her image is in all types of "situations" but is a main stream character with plenty of info on her.

Now what I propose is that if posters due not want to end up with these points and emails they:
1) provide info on the characters in the pic
2) post a website providing said info on the characters
3) if they can not provide both then they should not post at all
4) these rules only apply to main steam characters and not a persons own made up one.

I feel this would save posters from having this headache. It will also then provide a argument to save posters from people who are reporting stuff just to get them in trouble. Posting stuff you are unsure about is just a stupid risk to take. so I would suggest that you make sure you understand a art piece and the characters before even thinking about posting to begin with. And same goes to the admins. To make such a judgment yourself without doing the research required and going by peoples pming you suggest that you believe the person fully and that they are doing no wrong. I would suggest if someone falsely posts a complaint that they receive the same amount of points that you would have given the poster of said material. That would be a balanced way of dealing with this in the future.

Anywho have a great day to all who felt that they should read my post,
-AMKES

 

[yanneilucia]

for example there are animes and games with characters that look young but are actually well over the age guidelines.

Thanks AMKES, I appreciate it but it seems you overlooked some facts.
The rules don't care if the character has billion years, as long as they look as a minor. But Etna for example is on the very edge of the border, with her small chest and petite body type. And the art of her can vary from ''it's ok without doubt'' or ''there's no way this can go!''.
And I've said it before, I don't wan't to refrain myself from posting questionable art, because I find almost half of it questionable.

Once again good effort, the info on characters is always welcome. But let's just wait to hear the decision of the staff.

 

[Xtreme09]

I warned people about this.

 

[yanneilucia]

I warned people about this.

Yes, I remember. Sorry Xtreme, but I couldn't keep quiet anymore.

 

[palindration1]

...From what I understand, Valerie received a message from another member with a complaint...

So, who's the watchdog then?

 

[yanneilucia]

So, who's the watchdog then?

It doesn't matter. Everyone here are invited to report images that are against the rules. The rules themselves says so.
But I group people into two categories:
1. Those with generally good intentions. (example: a certain person send me a PM warning me that I've posted an image I shouldn't. I thanked him and removed it. Simple.)
2. Those who just wait to push the report button because they can. (example: our watchdog.)

I have a very good idea of who it could be, but I won't call names without proof. I suspect a certain someone who wanted revenge, since he got obliterated in our recent argument.

 

[dalekfire]

This shouldn't be a case of who the "watchdog" is or not. All members are expected to report anything they find that are against the forum guidelines. And said people have the right to their privacy when reporting - which is why we have the report feature in the first place.

I can say that during my time as a mod here (which, admittedly, isn't all that long :lol), I haven't encountered anyone who's abused the report feature. Though, you lot are quite ruthless with the spambots. xD

 

[yanneilucia]

This shouldn't be a case of who the "watchdog" is or not. All members are expected to report anything they find that are against the forum guidelines. And said people have the right to their privacy when reporting - which is why we have the report feature in the first place.

I agree, I was just saying there are more ''friendly'' ways of dealing with it, as I made an example below.

A certain individual has once sent me a PM pointing at my violation. He could have easily reported me but chose not to. He discarded his privacy in order to save me from infraction. You can't argue it's worth respect.

 

[palindration1]

And said people have the right to their privacy when reporting

Ahh, so they took the coward's way out.

All right then, don't identify them. Let them continue to remove artwork silently so that we can't see them.

All's fair in life.

 

[dalekfire]

Ahh, so they took the coward's way out.

All right then, don't identify them. Let them continue to remove artwork silently so that we can't see them.

All's fair in life.

Someone completely missed the point of what I just said. x)

Again, members have the right to their privacy when reporting things here, and said method is encouraged, whether it be to the staff, or as Yanneilucia mentioned, to the OP if he/she doesn't mind that. It isn't cowardly at all. That is, unless people determine that calling out others in full view of everyone else is a more practical way of dealing with things...personally, I find it not only unnecessary, but potentially disruptive. If they feel they want to do it that way, so be it. Still, there is no obligation to, nor is it (and shouldn't be) a matter of honor.

 

[yanneilucia]

Someone completely missed the point of what I just said. x)

Again, members have the right to their privacy when reporting things here, and said method is encouraged, whether it be to the staff, or as Yanneilucia mentioned, to the OP if he/she doesn't mind that. It isn't cowardly at all. That is, unless people determine that calling out others in full view of everyone else is a more practical way of dealing with things...personally, I find it not only unnecessary, but potentially disruptive. If they feel they want to do it that way, so be it. Still, there is no obligation to, nor is it (and shouldn't be) a matter of honor.

I'm with you on the matter of privacy rights. Alas I fail to see how this was
practical... From my case, you could see that it was more disruptive this way, than if he told me by PM. But that's probably just me. :stuart:

Of course it is encouraged if it helps you keep the site in order. No one expects you to check every corner of the site by yourselves. You have to rely on members for support. The main reason behind it is clear and in good intentions. But don't expect people to see it with your eyes, regarding the honor. This is too trivial to be able determine what kind of person is in question. But it's enough for me to determine what kind of TT member is in question. The fact is, they didn't do anything wrong. It's just that they could have done something better. And that's where I build my opinion on them.

There's no need to identify them. Nothing good would come out of it. And it wouldn't raise the admins in my eyes if they revealed the identity now. The person who did it could be either scared to come out now, laughing at us from the shadows, or maybe even not reading this thread at all...
In any case, it's pointless for us to go on about it.

 

[tarr2k1]

It doesn't matter. Everyone here are invited to report images that are against the rules. The rules themselves says so.
But I group people into two categories:
1. Those with generally good intentions. (example: a certain person send me a PM warning me that I've posted an image I shouldn't. I thanked him and removed it. Simple.)
2. Those who just wait to push the report button because they can. (example: our watchdog.)
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I think it's a rather gross oversimplification. If I saw something questionable, I'd report it for a number of other reasons.
-Because it's the mod's job to make the distinction and not mine, so it is nothing more than an alert to something they might have mised, or had judged to be fine and left. It lets the authorities make the call.
-The person I contact might be acerbic, pulling me into a heated conversation and claiming I was backseat modding, being judgmental, etc., taking the fun break the forum is supposed to be and turning it into a soul-shriveling chore.
-If a mod steps in, the person might be vindictive, and so you now have someone making you miserable when you're supposed to be relaxing.
-I, like many, have very little time to spend here. If you contact someone it's going to take much more of your time because you''ll have to phrase things in a way so as not to offend normal people (and there's always the aforementioned hotheaded/vindictive people that even this won't work on). A report requires just a quick comment and you can get back to what you were doing.

The report system bypasses all of that and leaves all that crap with the mods to handle. It allows people to assist without actually having to be involved. Because not everyone has the time or desire to get pulled into a potential confrontation, and not everyone has the sound judgment to call it either. If I posted something that was fine and someone was uptight about it, I'd rather they report it and let the mod dismiss their overreaction rather than wasting my time trying to convince me that something fine is actually wrong. In short, the report system protects me from crazy people. 🙂

And just to avoid suspicion, I think I've reported only one post ever, and it wasn't a picture, it was an abusive individual

 

[yanneilucia]

I think it's a rather gross oversimplification. If I saw something questionable, I'd report it for a number of other reasons.
-Because it's the mod's job to make the distinction and not mine, so it is nothing more than an alert to something they might have mised, or had judged to be fine and left. It lets the authorities make the call.
-The person I contact might be acerbic, pulling me into a heated conversation and claiming I was backseat modding, being judgmental, etc., taking the fun break the forum is supposed to be and turning it into a soul-shriveling chore.
-If a mod steps in, the person might be vindictive, and so you now have someone making you miserable when you're supposed to be relaxing.
-I, like many, have very little time to spend here. If you contact someone it's going to take much more of your time because you''ll have to phrase things in a way so as not to offend normal people (this part is pure brilliance:helpsmilie🙂 (and there's always the aforementioned hotheaded/vindictive people that even this won't work on). A report requires just a quick comment and you can get back to what you were doing.

The report system bypasses all of that and leaves all that crap with the mods to handle. It allows people to assist without actually having to be involved. Because not everyone has the time or desire to get pulled into a potential confrontation, and not everyone has the sound judgment to call it either. If I posted something that was fine and someone was uptight about it, I'd rather they report it and let the mod dismiss their overreaction rather than wasting my time trying to convince me that something fine is actually wrong. In short, the report system protects me from crazy people. 🙂

And just to avoid suspicion, I think I've reported only one post ever, and it wasn't a picture, it was an abusive individual

In other words, you DO want to get involved (wasting time on reporting proves it. like you benefit from it. or is it the call of duty? not to mention how it is perfectly alright to put everything on the shoulders of the admins), but you DON'T want to get involved (the fact that you don't want to spend time discussing with the OP (who you automatically put in a crazy group, just because there is potential that they are crazy), thus not giving them even a slightest chance)).
So basically, there is time to browse pictures and report people, but there is no time to spend on "meeting" people, "get to know other members" or even "make friends" potentially.

There is even enough time to come here and write a half page post of not having enough time to send one PM of warning to the OP.....

Outstanding. I bow to your "time management" fusion with the "perfect report system" into one big excellence. :surrender:

 

[tarr2k1]

I'm just flabbergasted. When I express my concerns about what will happen if I speak to someone directly about something they have posted, concerns about how that might quickly turn negative and be a soul-shriveling experience, you respond -not with a reasoned discourse- but by trying to prove me wrong by getting sarcastic. In other words, you're trying to show my concerns are invalid by acting precisely in the way I'm concerned people might act. Again, I'm stunned. It's like if a woman says she's concerned that men won't take her seriously and responding "Don't worry your pretty little head over it, sugar tits," your very actions prove the concerns are fully justified and steps to avoid them completely reasonable.

 

[yanneilucia]

I'm just flabbergasted. When I express my concerns about what will happen if I speak to someone directly about something they have posted, concerns about how that might quickly turn negative and be a soul-shriveling experience, you respond -not with a reasoned discourse- but by trying to prove me wrong by getting sarcastic. In other words, you're trying to show my concerns are invalid by acting precisely in the way I'm concerned people might act. Again, I'm stunned. It's like if a woman says she's concerned that men won't take her seriously and responding "Don't worry your pretty little head over it, sugar tits," your very actions prove the concerns are fully justified and steps to avoid them completely reasonable.

I trolled you on purpose because you said you don't have time for it and I knew I'd get you to post another long reply.
THAT is where I proved you were :icon_bs: about not having enough time for a single PM. Just like now, no one forces you to continue arguing but you're the type who doesn't quit.

I never tried to show your concern is invalid. I agree with the part that there are people out there who will rage or act like idiots. But don't let them stop you from helping good people.
I'm sorry if it looked like I acted hostile towards you. You can confirm with my usual behavior that I'm not a hating type. It's just that I couldn't let you go thinking you were right.
I didn't mean any harm I just wanted to teach you not to quit on the good people.

 

[tarr2k1]

But you have failed miserably. I had a little extra time yesterday, and I thought why not do what you said and address your concerns in a direct manner. You respond by deliberately dicking me around, and then claim you're a good person? If this is how a supposedly good person will respond, then my concern remains the same: if you try talking directly to the person, they'll probably act like an asshole. And when that happens, you then get pulled further and further into a time-wasting, soul-destroying conversation. So I was indeed mistaken in bothering to try at all, I should have followed my own advice and not bothered trying to talk with you. Theory confirmed: Anonymously report and go on with your life without having exposed yourself to other people's worst impulses.

 

[dalekfire]

Gosh darn it, people. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Yanne - stop making issues out of everything. I don't see what you're trying to achieve by "proving bs" about a simple opinion on the use of the Report feature. I already stated what it's used for; tarr's use of it is perfectly fine. The fact that he took his time to argue his point has no relevance at all with that reason, or at least, I don't see why you need to pursue that. No trolling at this forum.

tarr - Good on you for your use of the Report feature. You stated your opinion on it. Now please stick by it and don't fan the flames in a back-and-forth argument that is clearly going nowhere.

Remember the Theater's golden rule: Be Polite!

Actually, I'm gonna go ahead and close this thread now. It served its purpose; we'll be working on the rule-clarification for artwork when we're free enough to tackle it.