Fairy Maze Tickle Dungeon RPG

[NicholasA1]

Therefore, if there's this debate going on of what is her age? Did Noir give her age? It's basically an admittance that we cannot reasonably assume she's a minor. She could very well not be a minor. Noir could choose to say right now she's 18, and no reasonable assumption could contradict it. Again, we can't reasonably assume Lena is a minor.

See, you're missing my point. Legal precedent is such that if a person of sound mind could reasonably assume a character without a given age is, indeed, a minor, then it's illegal. So unless Noir comes out and is all like "Lena is 26, she is studying to be an anesthesiologist at the medical college," she is a minor in the eyes of the law. I don't make the rules. Just because she could, possibly, be an adult doesn't change the fact that she can be construed to be a minor because it isn't otherwise stated what her age is. She could be an adult, but the courts won't look at it that way because it's not stated.

It's like this. If you write a political manifesto that sounds very centrist, but you don't explicitly state whether or not you are a centrist, a reasonable, informed person can reasonably assume you are a centrist. The fact that you're actually far-right or far-left won't matter because nobody knows what you are, and the most logical guess is centrist.

So if it's not stated how old Lena is, and Lena looks to be a minor, a reasonable person would assume it's a minor. It doesn't matter that it's possible that she isn't, the fact that she can be construed to be a minor because her age is left at best ambiguous and at worst blatantly underage is enough to attract attention from authorities.

If you want to argue American law until it changes, you need to either contact a lawyer or your Congressman. Until then, the law is the law regardless of whether or not we like it.

The guy is literally offering money to girls to let him please his own fetishes, which could easily be misjudged as prostitution, and he comes here to bash on us for a videogame character of unknown age?

Actually, paid foot worship and tickle sessions aren't illegal where I live. Paid sex, as in the dictionary definition, is illegal. I've looked into it. As long as our pants are on, it's fine. Even if it was illegal, and I was outright soliciting a prostitute, that effects nobody but me. Posting potential child porn on these boards, and getting unknowing people to click on it, effects everyone.

I think your little notion that anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll" is quite immature. That is why I think you're a teenager, and too young for these boards. Your intolerable level of immaturity in responding to my very valid concerns so far would lead most people to believe that. Also, adults don't have time to look over all of someone's posts. They might respond to threads once or twice a day, sure. But you must have a lot of time if you're playing this game and trying to play me like an idiot. You must have no job, no serious college classes, no family responsibilities, and no errands to run. Just like a teenager. Now, it's a school night. Go brush your teeth, say goodnight to your mom, and go to bed.

 

[dual1ty1]

The point is, you have never disagreed with me as i never fell for your obvious bait. In fact i have completely avoided responding to you directly in a serious manner until you started insulting me.
If you bothered playing more than 10minutes of the game you would have noticed that the author artstyle drastically improved over the course of the whole thing. In fact, past half game it almost doesn't even look the same artist anymore. And you would also have noticed that all the female characters in the game look young. Heck someone could have even doubts over Lena's mother age.
Looking young doesn't mean being underaged. In fact if i had doubts Lena was a child i wouldn't have posted the game in this forum. As i said before, the fact the author is allowed to post his content on twitter means that he stated in the past all characters he draws are indeed overaged.
All you did was rushing here and started insulting everyone and then targetting people who disagreed with you. Why wouldn't i think you were a troll? Your last post directed to me says everything about you.

I propose we should all go back of being a peaceful community that enjoys games from an author who has revolutionized the way of tickling RPG and ignore that guy.
He'll get tired of being the classic selfcentered pretentious Murican jerk sterotype (sorry to all other americans here) or a moderator will shut/ban him.
Either way works fine.

 

[kicaq]

Duality, IMO you shouldn't assume everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, if the concern is valid to him he is right to hold his opinion.

Nicholas, seems like you didn't acknowledge obvious cultural differences between japan and western world.
There was a response from japanese gov about the whole issue because iirc EU issued some worries about "legalization of underage pornography" over loli manga. The response claimed that no real person has been harmed and every sane human being can distinguish between fiction and reality, no further action was taken from EU side.

Take a look at child abuse crime rate stats from all over the world. USA places second just behind Australia, japan wasn't even in top 10.
If you feel like fighting crimes against real children make it known what's happening in saudi arabia or pakistan. People marrying children under 10 is some sick stuff.

I feel like it's similar to eating dogs, certain people do it because it's in their culture for a long time and others will frown upon this practice because it's questionable in their country. Does that mean the country number one should immediately cease the practice because second one "demands" it?


Back on track: The game was really good. I hope Noir will produce more stuff in the future, be it smaller project or another big game. It's cool that he made few types of games too. Ahazon dash was most innovative use of rpgmaker MV engine i've ever saw

 

[Lurker]

Lena isn't even a loli. She has a chest. And she's Japanese by creation. I'm not going to elaborate there. I'm just going to leave it at that.

What might scare him though, is that he's wrong about Noir saying her age. He seems to be taking refuge in that possibility. It's not the case. See, the reason why reasonable assumption is a thing, is because people would otherwise insult the law's intelligence. A person could draw anything and say, "She's 18."

Could you imagine the kind of circus that would be in court? In the court cases when its happened in the past, could the defendant be saved by some Japanese comic illustrator running into the courtroom and saying, "Wait! She's actually 18! It's ok!" That's why it's not a thing.

The reasonable assumption is "Look, we KNOW what that is, your 'official numbers and arguments' are a waste of time." That's why it has to be fact. It's going to be used when there isn't a doubt. He put "and the most logical guess is centrist." We're not talking most logical guess, this is assertion of fact in lieu of evidence.

I don't even see the doubt at all in Lena. She has a grown body. I've seen Japanese girls in their 20s that look younger than her. It's not even close to reasonable assumption.

 

[dual1ty1]

Back on track: The game was really good. I hope Noir will produce more stuff in the future, be it smaller project or another big game. It's cool that he made few types of games too. Ahazon dash was most innovative use of rpgmaker MV engine i've ever saw

Yea, those minigames are his way of testing out what MV system can do and experiment new things.
I'm really curious on what he's planning next but i hope he won't overdo too much. He managed to create Spectoria in barely 3 months due an event deadline and now he finally finished FM.
This guy really knows no rest lol.

 

[Lurker]

Yea, those minigames are his way of testing out what MV system can do and experiment new things.
I'm really curious on what he's planning next but i hope he won't overdo too much. He managed to create Spectoria in barely 3 months due an event deadline and now he finally finished FM.
This guy really knows no rest lol.

I might just give up on making games. I can't compete with this.

 

[dual1ty1]

I might just give up on making games. I can't compete with this.

You shouldn't. Everyone has his own pace.
Creating a lot of games in a short period of time only means he's gonna run out of ideas way faster.
There are only so many ways of tickling someone so eventually he'll have to recycle the same type of enemies over and over.

If you enjoy making games then you should keep doing it. It's not a competition, nor a race.
I'm sure everyone will love having more game varieties out there.

 

[Lurker]

You shouldn't. Everyone has his own pace.
Creating a lot of games in a short period of time only means he's gonna run out of ideas way faster.
There are only so many ways of tickling someone so eventually he'll have to recycle the same type of enemies over and over.

If you enjoy making games then you should keep doing it. It's not a competition, nor a race.
I'm sure everyone will love having more game varieties out there.

Variety is nice, but I can't help but feel we've entered a new age in tickle games where people aren't nearly as satisfied with just text anymore. Naturally, before Fairy Maze and Noir in general got huge, I started on this idea involving eight playable characters. Making art at my speed for every scene in that is just impossible.

 

[dual1ty1]

Variety is nice, but I can't help but feel we've entered a new age in tickle games where people aren't nearly as satisfied with just text anymore. Naturally, before Fairy Maze and Noir in general got huge, I started on this idea involving eight playable characters. Making art at my speed for every scene in that is just impossible.

In my opinion text only can be as enjoyable as rpgs with proper artstyle as long as the writing is good and detailed.
Not having images to look at leaves a lot left to ones imagination. If the story is catchy and the combat system interesting, i'm up for anything.

 

[kicaq]

Variety is nice, but I can't help but feel we've entered a new age in tickle games where people aren't nearly as satisfied with just text anymore. Naturally, before Fairy Maze and Noir in general got huge, I started on this idea involving eight playable characters. Making art at my speed for every scene in that is just impossible.

Well can't speak for everyone but i prefer well written scenes over CGs. Maybe because there's tons of tickling art online. My favorite games were Kunzite's text stuff, he has incredible writing talent.
CG is fine and cool, but good situation/scenario and writing beats simple images any day.
You could try asking some artists for CGs too, some may charge monies but some could be happy doing it for free and being put as co-creator of the game.

 

[dual1ty1]

I don't even see the doubt at all in Lena. She has a grown body. I've seen Japanese girls in their 20s that look younger than her. It's not even close to reasonable assumption.

I just wanna add that in the game there are also a tentacle breast milking scene and a lactation scene.

Well can't speak for everyone but i prefer well written scenes over CGs. Maybe because there's tons of tickling art online. My favorite games were Kunzite's text stuff, he has incredible writing talent.
CG is fine and cool, but good situation/scenario and writing beats simple images any day.
You could try asking some artists for CGs too, some may charge monies but some could be happy doing it for free and being put as co-creator of the game.

Thankfully for us Noir was able to keep a nice balance beween a well written narration and his CGs art.
But i totally agree with you. I have found many games where i gave up halfway due to bad/boring story or writing and just extracted the pictures.
There are also games where the story is so intriguing that i didn't even care about the lewd CGs anymore. Monster girl quest saga is a prime example of that.

Art in a game can make the author work slightly easier when it comes to scene narration. That doesn't mean the game will automatically be better tho.
If you put up some incredible piece of artwork but don't back it up with a proper writing, the game will just end up being a bland collection of pictures.

 

[NicholasA1]

The point is, you have never disagreed with me as i never fell for your obvious bait. In fact i have completely avoided responding to you directly in a serious manner until you started insulting me.
If you bothered playing more than 10minutes of the game you would have noticed that the author artstyle drastically improved over the course of the whole thing. In fact, past half game it almost doesn't even look the same artist anymore. And you would also have noticed that all the female characters in the game look young. Heck someone could have even doubts over Lena's mother age.
Looking young doesn't mean being underaged. In fact if i had doubts Lena was a child i wouldn't have posted the game in this forum. As i said before, the fact the author is allowed to post his content on twitter means that he stated in the past all characters he draws are indeed overaged.
All you did was rushing here and started insulting everyone and then targetting people who disagreed with you. Why wouldn't i think you were a troll? Your last post directed to me says everything about you.

I propose we should all go back of being a peaceful community that enjoys games from an author who has revolutionized the way of tickling RPG and ignore that guy.
He'll get tired of being the classic selfcentered pretentious Murican jerk sterotype (sorry to all other americans here) or a moderator will shut/ban him.
Either way works fine.

Firstly, responding to my initial post with an immature little thing about "gr8 b8" is disrespectful. YOU started the disrespect. I expressed a valid concern, you made fun of me. You have been immature and snarky throughout this whole thing. I just got fed up with your childish nonsense. This is a forum for adults. If you are an adult (and I doubt you are), act like it.

Secondly, I have already reported this thread to the moderators for review.

Thirdly, it is not being "self-centered" or a "Murican jerk" to express a valid legal concern. I have not been self-centered. They only person I have traded barbs with is you, and that is because you have been incredibly immature. Here is an FYI. Think of it as a cheat code for the adult world. If you respond to valid concerns in the adult world the way your responded to mine on this thread, you won't get far in life, and you especially won't get far in your career.

Now, you make a good point about Twitter, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Social media moderators aren't perfect and neither is their software. Just look at Facebook. I see violence and hate speech all over it on a regular basis.

Lurker, with all due respect, I'm not even going to quote you because I don't know what you're trying to communicate here. As a reasonable person, Lena looks underage to me, in my opinion. I'm probably not the only one on the internet with that opinion. You make a good point about how just slapping "18" on an underage-appearing character wouldn't change the fact that it's still pedophilia. However, you describe this legal gray area. Or that is at least the first thing that comes to my mind. If it's not clearly on the good side of the law, we shouldn't do it just to be safe. So at best this game is possibly legal or possibly illegal, and at worst it's outright child pornography.

Cantonel, I think you missed my point. What you've said makes a lot of sense, but it still misses my point. My point is that where I live, and many others on this forum also live, this would be considered illegal. It's not about respect for, or disrespect of, Japanese culture. It's about how someone on here thoughtlessly posted a game that, if clicked onto by people who don't know what the graphics look like, could result in them getting arrested and having their lives ruined. Some people will debate with me on that and say I'm wrong, but that just goes back to my previous point with Lurker. If it's a legal gray area, caution dictates that we shouldn't go there. Even in a non-legal matter, sensible people don't do questionable things unless it's absolutely necessary.

 

[matled]

Well do not go and let people at peace with your sense of justice parcel that you think it is so it must be you really being an arrogant man.


I am not used to writing here because I am not very good in English and I do not see the need but what you say o my gods


continue to pay you women like prostituting and let the other person at peace with your sense of justice

 

[saldi]

Oh well...

Let's hope this doesn't end with a disaster, like with "labyrinth of laughter" some time ago.

 

[dual1ty1]

It's about how someone on here thoughtlessly posted a game that, if clicked onto by people who don't know what the graphics look like, could result in them getting arrested and having their lives ruined.

First of all. I did not post the game. I posted the author site where everyone can easily look at his art before downloading the game. You cannot accidently click the link i posted and download the game.
People will have to click my link, open the author page, open his game list page, click on the correct game (there are more than 1), write down password and captcha, click download. You failing to acknowledge that makes me wonder if you are just trying to spread lies in hope i get banned.

Second, in addition to the author page, i did also post some pictures of the game as preview in my original post. I'm not quite sure why they are not showing anymore. I probably used my puu.sh account to post the links and then deleted them later on when cleaning up. Still if you check closely you can still see the sentece "here are some preview pics". Which again makes me think you didn't even read my post or conveniently pretended not to see it.

Third, if i had any doubts Lena was a child (and she is not) i wouldn't have posted anything. It's been almost a year since i started this thread. Don't you think a moderator would already have closed it by now if it was illegal?
And it's not a small thread with a couple of responses that can easily slip through someone eyes.

You claimed i'm "baiting clueless people into getting arrested" but as i just proved to you, i did everything in my power to inform people and provide them with visual material to know what they were downloading.

Firstly, responding to my initial post with an immature little thing about "gr8 b8" is disrespectful. YOU started the disrespect. I expressed a valid concern, you made fun of me. You have been immature and snarky throughout this whole thing. I just got fed up with your childish nonsense. This is a forum for adults. If you are an adult (and I doubt you are), act like it.

I responded to you with an immature "gr8 b8" because i couldn't believe someone who went so far as soliciting prostitution would really be concerned about a video game character in a fantasy world.
You can call it with all the names you want and make up all excuses in the world. In the end you are paying women to please your own sexual fetishes.
Your country might have less strict rules, some others don't. If you want everyone to follow your country laws then everyone would also expect you to follow theirs.

That said you are the one who started directly insulting me and kept on doing so the whole time.
"Fed up" with my childish nonsense? You started your insults after i posted a status update on the game while sneaking in a FBI joke to lighten up the mood.
Just because english is your main language and you have time to type down better sentences and more fancy insults, doesn't mean everyone else who can't is immature. I generally avoid doing long posts as i have to go back and edit them multiple times due grammatical errors. Did you really expect to go in a tickling hentai forum and find everyone to be literate?
Also i don't tend to respond seriously to people who are arrogant or in my opinion just trolls. I have acknowledged that you were indeed not a troll and for that i am sorry. But since you simply love being arrogant, expect more of those "childish" responses from me.

But hey, you can keep on insulting all you want. That won't prove any of your points nor will demoralize me. In fact it's quite amusing looking at your self righteous way of trying to make me look like a immature brat in front of everyone else just to make my words lose their value. Unfortunately for you, i won't say anything about my life or career because i don't need to prove anything to you.
The only thing i agree you with is we need a moderator to sort this huge mess here.

Like both Lurker and me said Lena has a grown up body. Noir artstyle is to make every female in his game cute and with small breasts (yes he prefer his girls flat). He even had a poll to ask if Fio's mother had to be flat or with breasts and wasn't quite happy when people picked "big".
Japanese women in general look relatively younger in real life than the rest of the world.
This game has been his improving grounds. The quality of his drawings have drastically became better in the course of the whole game. You'll notice in most of his latest pictures Lena will have slighty bigger boobs or different head shape and such, to the point where she's nowhere close looking like a loli, as the author was testing the best balance to have when drawing body anatomy.
A child body is also not supposed to produce breast milk. There are multiple lactation scenes in the game.

You based your opinion of her being a child purely on how she look in the old artstyle. The author was still fairly new in drawing bodies and you can tell the quality of his images wasn't as good.
If you played more than 10minutes you would have noticed the sudden change past the 4th tower on both art and Lena's model. But it clearly looks like you won't stop until someone says a defined number, no matter how many hints the game has of her not being underaged and no matter what people, who follow Noir and know his art, say about his drawings. Have you not seen any anime or played any game the past 10 years?
If they are gonna arrest whoever looked to a picture or played a game with a girl who looks young but is actually legal there wouldn't be enough prisons to hold everyone in.

You can continue with your crusade of shutting down people who want to enjoy good games just because your sense of "overaged" is probably two huge melons and a creepy old girl face with emotionless eyes from those really bad deviantart western pictures.
Or if you really are that concerned, why don't you go ask Noir how old Lena is?
Seeing your attitude, i'm pretty sure you would still pretend to be right even if the author himself said Lena is 21.
Now i finally realize why these forums are so dead nowadays.

 

[Lurker]

On a surprisingly related note, I'm finding that, in this new version, EX main bosses aren't getting added to my bestiary / monster book dealie. Is anyone else having that?

 

[dual1ty1]

On a surprisingly related note, I'm finding that, in this new version, EX main bosses aren't getting added to my bestiary / monster book dealie. Is anyone else having that?

Did you download version 7.01? I have all the EX bosses in mine except the ones from tower 1-4.
He probably messed them up when adding the upgraded bosses from the new EX challenge.

 

[NicholasA1]

Well do not go and let people at peace with your sense of justice parcel that you think it is so it must be you really being an arrogant man.


I am not used to writing here because I am not very good in English and I do not see the need but what you say o my gods


continue to pay you women like prostituting and let the other person at peace with your sense of justice

This is clearly someone's sock account. It has only two posts after all. He pretty much uses the same rhetoric as dual1ty. If he is real, it's obvious he doesn't understand what is being said because his English very basic. Nice try dual1ty. I'm not easily fooled.

I posted the author site where everyone can easily look at his art before downloading the game.

My point still stands. If the author is producing questionable material, and you unknowingly click onto his website, you could possibly get in trouble with the police.

Second, in addition to the author page, i did also post some pictures of the game as preview in my original post. I'm not quite sure why they are not showing anymore.

The board has hiccups. It hasn't been the same since 2014, I want to say. Regardless, the material was questionable and you still posted it. And here of all places, so this website can be associated with it.

Speaking of board hiccups and other issues, the moderators are barely on anymore. Hell, I haven't been here in a while. So how would anyone know what's going on in this thread or board? They aren't going to review every single thread anyway. They're adults, older even than me. They probably don't like video games. They probably saw the title, saw it was a video game, and ignored it.

Now, I know in your mind it's not questionable, it's safe, it's legal, and nobody in their right mind would think Lena was underage. I get that. But what you're not getting is that I don't see it that way. I have a valid concern. Just because someone disagrees doesn't make it any less valid.

I responded to you with an immature "gr8 b8" because i couldn't believe someone who went so far as soliciting prostitution would really be concerned about a video game character in a fantasy world.
You can call it with all the names you want and make up all excuses in the world. In the end you are paying women to please your own sexual fetishes.
Your country might have less strict rules, some others don't. If you want everyone to follow your country laws then everyone would also expect you to follow theirs.

As I've told you, simple fetish play (i.e., foot worship) isn't considered prostitution. That is why professional dominatrixes can operate here free of harassment. Paying a woman to enjoy her feet is, in the eyes of the law, not the same as paying for sex. Even if I was a hypocrite, being a hypocrite doesn't automatically make someone wrong. If a serial killer told you murder is wrong, is he wrong in what he says? No, he is right hypocritical though he is.

I don't expect everyone to follow my country or state's laws. It isn't just the US that has these laws. The FBI, Google, and others aren't hunting down people seeking prostitutes. Your local cops might be, but they aren't going to track you down for visiting a prostitute website. But the government (and not just the American government) will hunt you down and arrest you for visiting pedophile websites, possessing such material, etc. Going further, the Tickle Theater forum rules prohibit underage material or anything questionable enough to be considered underage material. I expect you to have some common decency and understand that.

Handguns are legal here, but they probably aren't where you live. So if I try to sell you a handgun, and you go along with it, you could possibly get in trouble regardless of whether or not you pay for, and take possession of, the weapon. The same with this type of potentially underage material.

You started your insults after i posted a status update on the game while sneaking in a FBI joke to lighten up the mood.

No, you weren't trying to lighten the mood. The mood was fine. You were trying to be disrespectful because you wanted me to go away. Even if you really were trying to lighten the mood, I hope you understand why such a remark is still rude. I have every right to be offended by that. Just another adult world cheat code, when someone is very serious and concerned about something, don't make jokes. It will upset a lot of people.

There are multiple lactation scenes in the game.

It's fantasy. They can make a rock lactate in a game, but it's still a rock. Teenage mothers can lactate too. I've already explained my point on the art style. I won't repeat it. I know you think everything is fine and legal and safe, but some people don't. The concern still stands.

Japanese women in general look relatively younger in real life than the rest of the world.

No they don't. Have you ever seen a Japanese woman who wasn't in a pornographic video? They might be smaller and more petite on average, but they don't look younger. Based on that logic, a petite girl of any race with small breasts and a small butt "looks younger." But they don't. Not in the face. Not when you take their clothes off. You can tell who is older and who is younger.

 

[kicaq]

On a surprisingly related note, I'm finding that, in this new version, EX main bosses aren't getting added to my bestiary / monster book dealie. Is anyone else having that?

I've upgraded to 7.01 version of the game and bestiary works fine. It has bugfixes. Maybe that will help you.


Well what you said about my post is right i kinda missed the mark, Nicolas. I do think however that if police or any international group preventing child abuse and CP distribution was concerned enough with material like fairy maze TT would be taken down already or notice would be given to owners of the site.

I mean if nobody gives a damn about various sites hosting lewd doujinshi manga for the view and sometimes download even though all of them can be simply googled i don't think one game is enough to get someone in trouble. I think the law doesn't see this as harmful enough to bother investigating.

 

[dual1ty1]

This is clearly someone's sock account. It has only two posts after all. He pretty much uses the same rhetoric as dual1ty. If he is real, it's obvious he doesn't understand what is being said because his English very basic. Nice try dual1ty. I'm not easily fooled.

>>>>joined date 2010<<<<

You must think really highly of yourself if you expect me to be using multiple accounts just to make replies. Get off your high horse, thank you.

No they don't. Have you ever seen a Japanese woman who wasn't in a pornographic video? They might be smaller and more petite on average, but they don't look younger. Based on that logic, a petite girl of any race with small breasts and a small butt "looks younger." But they don't. Not in the face. Not when you take their clothes off. You can tell who is older and who is younger.

I have seen women in their late 40s who look like twenty. And i'm not talking only about their bodies but facial features aswell. If you really think i was referring purely on pornographic videos then i don't think i should even bother discussing any longer with you. It's clearly you got a really low idea about me and won't take anything i say seriously.

As I've told you, simple fetish play (i.e., foot worship) isn't considered prostitution. That is why professional dominatrixes can operate here free of harassment. Paying a woman to enjoy her feet is, in the eyes of the law, not the same as paying for sex.

Then answer me this. What if a girl from a different country with strict laws replies to your post and agrees into that session. Wouldn't you put her in trouble for being a prostitute? Just the fact of her willingly selling her "body" whether you agree or not with it, would get her arrested.
By your reasoning, you should also get banned from this forum and your thread deleted as it can possibly endanger people.
Or does that only works if you or your country are the one being the victim?
You might say "it's her own fault" but so i can say the same of you downloading the game, being fully aware of the author artstyle.

It's fantasy.

Exactly. This is a video game in a fantasy world created by a japanese artist who likes his characters cute.
Like i stated before. Have you not seen any anime? How many overaged girls look young? Are all anime producer gonna get arrested? Are all people who look to an anime gonna get arrested? Are all the people who browser a porn site and accidently stumble on a 1000yold loli gonna get arrested? Are all hentai game developers who have a young looking girl in their game gonna get arrested?

It's fantasy. It's art. It's a drawing. It's not photography.
Can you understand the difference between those? Do you expect every artist to have a master in anatomy and Picasso skills to draw bodies and facial features as detailed as possible to resemble your ideal of mature women? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of fantasy art? At that point people are better off download normal pornography.
Every artist draws their character in a different way. Some may look more developed, some won't. Some artist might be more expert, some are still learning. Noir is the latter.
Having a cute face and a petite body doesn't make everyone underaged.
If your sense of "older" only applies to real life women then you should not download hentai material. It's clear that you can't tell the difference in a drawing.

But of course, you conveniently see it as "fantasy" only when you have to nullify someone point who disagrees with you and bring one of many proof that Lena is an adult. Well played.
If it's so fantasy that anything can lactate, why is it not so fantasy that an overaged girl can't have a cute looking face and a petite body?

Every big hentai site has more than one adult loli picture in it. R34, Gelbooru, Pixiv, etc. People won't get arrested just because they accidently ran pass one. If they decide to download them, even tho they perfectly know the girl is overaged but knowing that some might raise a doubt due to their look, it's purely on them.
Same scenario works here. I provided screenshot of the game and the author site where people can look at his art before downloading.
If you had doubts on Lena age, why did you download the game in the first place? I understand if you questioned it after looking at the artstyle but before downloading it. All you did was playing 10minutes and then rushed here to derail this peaceful community to shove your ideals on how someone must look in your eyes to not be underaged.

But most importantly:
People are not visiting a pedophile website. They are visiting a game developer site who in the past stated all of his characters are indeed not underaged.
Only because you are so closed minded and most likely a rookie when it comes to digital art, it does not make him or his material automatically children porn. She doesn't even look like a loli.
You keep on saying that's a pedophile site, Lena is a child, i'm pedophile who want to get others arrested, just because you think she is not overaged based on your association of look/age compared to real life experience.

Me and many other people have downloaded and enjoyed the game. Did you ever see anyone raising the doubt on her age? Did any moderator questioned the material in this thread? Why are we all not in jail?
According to you, we should have been arrested by a long time now.
Or is it maybe because none of this is pedophile material? Nah, it can't be true. You said it is so it MUST be.

You are free to believe what you want. You wanna think Lena is a child? Sure i accept that.
But that does not mean she is. If everyone would try to enforce the law based on their opinions, wouldn't the world be gone to hell already?
The example here is: a vegan serial killer who tells you not to sell meat product because that's murder in his eyes and accuses you to bait everyone who buys it into getting arrested for cannibalism.
There are laws against murder. There are laws against pedophilia. Only because someone thinks killing an animal is murder, does not mean it is. Only because someone thinks a certain artstyle is pedophilia, does not mean it is.

Sure you might bring a point saying "If i am concerned about the pictures, that means there is the possibily that Lena's is not overaged"
But if someone raises his personal concern about animal meat, it does not force the seller to stop providing the product, nor the police/FBI to arrest him and everyone else who bought it, purely on the the opinion the first person provided.
You perfectly know that murdering animals isn't illegal. I perfectly know that Noir games only feature adult girls.
That possibily only exist in your head and won't get anyone persecuted or arrested because no one is breaking any law, no matter which country.

That said. This is my last reply to you. I'm not willing to waste any more of my time with someone who can only accept his own opinion as law and try to force it onto everyone else. Your response to what i wrote here is gonna be pretty obvious anyway.
All i can say is go back to your real life pornography if anime/fantasy art is not for you.
You are not protecting anyone. No one here is breaking any law. The only thing you are doing is making people miss on one of the best game authors who tried to innovate the way combat works in tickling RPGs.

 

[Lurker]

You know, being this is a fetish site, I'm fairly confident that we're not all children in daycare while the moderators are in their CEO style office wearing a 3-piece suit with the big window behind them. Being a moderator here doesn't exactly require a bachelor's degree and four years of grad school. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm older than at least a few of them. Maybe they do like video games, who knows?

 

[His Divine Shadow]

Hi folks, have received some reports regarding this thread and the game. It would be best if folks let us review the material and not take the debate into their own hands, whichever your side. Regardless of legality, the TT prohibits any material which "even hints at underage lewdness". I would refer all to the Artwork Rules thread, which details this further.

I would appreciate it if anyone who knows of information on the game website or elsewhere which discusses or provides details on the age of the characters could please PM me. We try to err on the side of allowing posts, but we must also be mindful of how material which may be legal but which violates our more strict rules may get the site into trouble. I have looked through the site to try and find information with little luck myself.

Please do not post replies to this post here. If you have a response to the questions I have posed, please PM me. I and the staff appreciate your help.

 

[Cryptic71]

@Lurker, Duality, and Nicholas

I didn't read the whole argument here, so I dunno who started disrespecting whom first.

Personally, I enjoy this game. Lena seems to have undergone a mid-game character redesign, looking notably more mature in the later chapters of the game. I believe chapter 4 is when this redesign took place.

However, if you look at chapters 1-3.... Lena does absolutely appear to be a minor. There's just no arguing against it. Technicalities don't matter. The way they would handle this in court is thus:

They would find a jury of average joe's from a diverse range of people (that is to say, people more than likely unfamiliar with anime in general), sit them down, show them a picture of Lena and ask "Does this look like a minor to you?"

And trust me, all of them would say yes. Her facial structure, stature, bust size... It all heavily suggests an age well under 18. Some of that changes at the start of chapter 4, making it much more plausible to argue she's an adult, but... If a porno starts with child porn and ends with adult porn, it's still SUPER illegal.


Then we move into the argument that this isn't child porn because no actual children were involved with or harmed in the making of said porn; "It's just art." Unfortunately, no precedent has been set for hentai in particular (in america / last I checked), so this is a legal grey area that could EASILY go either way in court.


My analysis: This thread is gonna get shut down soon, so grab your screencaps and save your links while you can. I'm 95% certain the admins are gonna rule in favor of Nick on this one.

 

[Cryptic71]

There's even been some legal skirmishing going on whether the whole "this person is 90000000000 years old but looks WAAAAYYYYY like a fucking toddler" argument is valid or not. Which is why the courts are starting to lean towards jury-judged physical appearance rather than the number the character designer pulls out of a hat.


[edit]

Here is the relevant information and historical precedent for loli in general
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States


Excerpt:

Currently, such depictions are in a legal grey area due to parts of the PROTECT Act being ruled unconstitutional on a federal level; however, laws regulating lolicon and shotacon differ between states; several states have laws that explicitly prohibit cartoon pornography and similar depictions (such as video games in the state of New Jersey), while others usually have only vague laws on such content; in some states, such as California, such depictions specifically do not fall under state child pornography laws,[70] while the state of Utah explicitly bans it.



So while it may or may not be legal to possess said material depending on your state, it WOULD be illegal to have it posted on the internet.

For example, the age of consent in my state is 16. I could have sex with a 16yo no problem, but if I record it and put it online, I'd go to prison for sure.

And THEN you have to think about the physical location of the server host. In this case, Noir is hosting his blog out of Japan, where loli is 100% legal. The U.S. government can't do jack shit to shut him down. All they can do is arrest U.S. people who visit his site / download his stuff. But with the sheer volume of people doing similar things, and instability of the laws, they have MUCH better things to do with their manpower; stopping ACTUAL physical pedophiles, drug cartels, human traffickers, etc... It's because of things like this that torrenting even exists. Most torrent sites I believe are hosted out of countries with VERY liberal internet freedom laws.

 

[Lurker]

There's even been some legal skirmishing going on whether the whole "this person is 90000000000 years old but looks WAAAAYYYYY like a fucking toddler" argument is valid or not.

This needs to be named after Disgaea somehow. Like, The Disgaea Principle.